2021-02-01T00:04:02 #kisslinux <someOneFill> hi
2021-02-01T01:39:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since dylan refactored his website just before disappearing we can exclude that something happened to him unwillingly
2021-02-01T03:39:11 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> is there a way anyone can personally contact him?
2021-02-01T03:39:32 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> not for doxing as he probably has doxxed himself
2021-02-01T03:58:40 #kisslinux <someOneFill> ho no Dylan :'c
2021-02-01T03:58:52 #kisslinux <someOneFill> hi i'm new
2021-02-01T04:42:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I don't see any big upside to us attempting to make any type of contact with dylan
2021-02-01T04:42:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> either he's left or he's coming back at some future time; either way, it isn't up to us, right?
2021-02-01T04:43:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> best we can do is make sure the domain name is saved and some version of the repositories are upkept (IF we want to maintain some semblance of a 'distro')
2021-02-01T04:44:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> so basically we need to make sure that oen of us buys the k1ss.org domain AND we stay on top of kiss-community, and telegraph to the community that any updates to the project can be found at @/kiss-community
2021-02-01T04:46:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> Basically I don't see any good reason to seek out dylan *publically*; if you want to find him on your own time that's fine, but dylan's goal with KISS was to design a self-maintainable OS and I think he accomplished that goal marvelously, and we don't need him in order to keep on. We just need to make public that this shift has happened as best we can
2021-02-01T04:50:52 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> dilyn , you are right
2021-02-01T04:51:04 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> but, you know about voidlinux situation, right?
2021-02-01T04:51:18 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> there was drama which went on
2021-02-01T04:51:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> recently? or the stuff that happened a while back
2021-02-01T04:54:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly i don't think there's much drama here like there was with void; dylan licensed everything MIT so we're fine forking his work
2021-02-01T04:54:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> plus the repos are basically just text files so anybody can fork those
2021-02-01T04:54:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> and since they're just text files maintenance for 98% of packages is just bumping version numbers/source files
2021-02-01T04:55:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been maintaining my own versions of KISS for months no issues; having @/kiss-community just shifts the load to a group instead of dylan. it doesn't so much matter to me
2021-02-01T04:56:19 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> Then,fine
2021-02-01T04:56:35 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> i was worried of Dylan's state to be honest
2021-02-01T04:56:49 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> suddenly disappeared. it worried me
2021-02-01T04:56:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh for sure! i think we're all worried about dylan's health
2021-02-01T04:57:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering it's a pandemic and he's lead a sort of transient life, there's good reason to be worried
2021-02-01T04:57:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> but the way i see it; if we knew it was over and wanted to say something, he would've; if he didn't know it was over, then there's no good reason to go poking. if it isn't over, he'll be back
2021-02-01T05:16:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what was the drama with void ? the only thing i know is that the main author disappeared for a while and nobody had access to his github repos
2021-02-01T05:16:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> s/pandemic/plandemic/
2021-02-01T05:25:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> some nonsense about the author of their package manager et al. closing off their repos or deleting all their work or something... lemme see if i can find some links
2021-02-01T05:26:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> xtrame had some thoughts(?) here
2021-02-01T05:26:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.reddit.com/r/voidlinux/comments/g2l9ws/thoughts_on_juans_xtraeme_recent_rants/
2021-02-01T05:27:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is hwo void responded
2021-02-01T05:27:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://voidlinux.org/news/2020/04/some-context.html
2021-02-01T05:28:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could probably find xtraeme's twitter and look at his meltdown personally; basically just a lot of drama about how xtramee didnt' like how the project was going (he didn't seem to bd BDFL so it wasn't up to him how void went? he forked the whole, thing, I guess?? i haven't heard any updates)
2021-02-01T05:28:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> sory for typos am drunk
2021-02-01T05:29:50 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> hello
2021-02-01T05:29:56 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hi
2021-02-01T05:29:57 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> i had my kiss installation previous month
2021-02-01T05:30:25 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> now,i am planning to rewrite kiss package manager in golang
2021-02-01T05:30:28 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> any suggestions?
2021-02-01T05:31:11 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Maybe you can see if this is of any help: https://github.com/illiliti/king Seems to be inactive now
2021-02-01T05:31:43 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> oh, already written
2021-02-01T05:31:56 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> basically,i am thinking whether including kiss-bin is good
2021-02-01T05:32:08 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> It's incomplete i think so you can base off of it
2021-02-01T05:32:37 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> tbh, i think that we can use age instead of gpg if we ever want to distribute binary packages
2021-02-01T05:32:42 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> what do you think?
2021-02-01T05:33:14 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> https://github.com/FiloSottile/age
2021-02-01T05:33:26 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> there is also rust implementation available
2021-02-01T05:33:56 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> There's kiss-community/repo-bin for binaries and only checksums are used there, no signing
2021-02-01T05:34:33 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> if signing was to be included, what do you choose?
2021-02-01T05:34:46 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> gpg is bloated imo
2021-02-01T05:34:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> age
2021-02-01T05:35:03 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> ok,thanks for feedback
2021-02-01T05:47:37 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> what is the new repository?
2021-02-01T05:47:52 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> *where
2021-02-01T05:49:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what would be the advantage of a go impl of kiss ?
2021-02-01T05:50:45 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> actually, it could be faster, git can be embedded within package manager
2021-02-01T05:50:55 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> also, we can use concurrent downloading,etc.
2021-02-01T05:51:02 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> single binary too
2021-02-01T05:51:32 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> cgronohe: https://github.com/kiss-community
2021-02-01T05:52:26 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]>  testuser: thank you
2021-02-01T06:22:42 #kisslinux <konimex> if signing is to be included, then I think it should be minisign instead of age (since I think age deals with encryption rather than signing)
2021-02-01T06:41:48 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> it's also nice
2021-02-01T06:42:02 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> age also deals with signing
2021-02-01T06:42:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> looking at the logs, have we officially decided to take over the project?
2021-02-01T06:46:56 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> Yes. I think you people must take over. But,in case, if Dylan returns, he must recieve good treatment and he must be able to preside.
2021-02-01T06:47:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, sure. he's the BDFL
2021-02-01T06:48:41 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> I have seen both cases of solus and void where creators left and people badmouthed the creator
2021-02-01T06:49:00 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> in solus, it's true . but,in void, i felt it's not creater's fault
2021-02-01T06:49:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I think those are also much larger communities. you always get bad apples once you reach a certain size
2021-02-01T06:49:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I think most if not all of the people involved with KISS are in relative agreement
2021-02-01T06:49:31 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> well,yes. i trust you guys. go ahead
2021-02-01T06:49:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-02-01T06:50:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> as an aside I'm going to be attempting to package GCC 8 and Web Browser, if anyone's interested
2021-02-01T06:52:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure if it would work on musl, but... one can hope
2021-02-01T08:04:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugh I should have fired up my workstation for this
2021-02-01T08:04:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> compiling on my desktop is taking a billion and a half years
2021-02-01T09:14:26 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC_Vz9Y7TZ9h7strT_h2msDw/about
2021-02-01T09:38:26 #kisslinux <konimex> I think it shouldn't be a takeover but a fork of KISS with a different name (but with the kiss pkg manager ofc), probably don't want a conflict in names
2021-02-01T09:41:06 #kisslinux <cgronohe[m]> that's not gonna workout efficiently at the end
2021-02-01T11:42:43 #kisslinux <sad_plan> konimex: I belive that in the event of Dylan does not return, and that the project is considered to be abondoned by the main dev. If this is the case that we end up with, I do belive we can easily justify taking over the project, alot like sawfish which midfavila mentioned earlier. If we fork the project, it might end up diversifying its userbase, and thus ending up with an even smaller userbase than it already is. kiss linux is already a rather small d
2021-02-01T11:47:11 #kisslinux <travankor> time to fight over the next BDFL :P
2021-02-01T11:48:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> if theres gonna be any arguments of whos gonna steer the ship, Im out anyway, as I dont fit the qualifications to do so:p I think we'll end up with no bdfl, but more of a community driven one. much like its now with the forked core/community repos
2021-02-01T11:50:00 #kisslinux <sad_plan> unless that is if theres one guy in the group that wishes to do so, and nobody else really cares
2021-02-01T11:52:15 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I don't think we should get a new bdfl either, just keep the repos updated and in line with dylan's principles
2021-02-01T11:54:40 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ^this
2021-02-01T13:22:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i take it micr0 has left as well?
2021-02-01T13:24:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hasnt been here since 12th according to irc log. if you just look up his name
2021-02-01T13:26:50 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> they're active on github, apart from KISS related stuff
2021-02-01T13:27:50 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i think they've switched to macOS now
2021-02-01T13:28:56 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> (looking at the dotfiles repo)
2021-02-01T13:47:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if one of us were to obtain the domain, would a VPS somewhere also be needed to host the site?
2021-02-01T13:49:11 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> not sure but you might be able to use github pages and just point to that domain
2021-02-01T13:55:28 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> yeah you can https://docs.github.com/en/github/working-with-github-pages/managing-a-custom-domain-for-your-github-pages-site
2021-02-01T15:11:42 #kisslinux <illiliti> testuser[m]_: i'm still working on https://github.com/illiliti/king
2021-02-01T15:11:48 #kisslinux <illiliti> i just didn't push my local commits yet
2021-02-01T15:12:36 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> oh, nice
2021-02-01T15:34:59 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hmm, gonna try building a multilib (G)KISS to try and run steam
2021-02-01T19:29:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> my chromium doesn't have a file upload dialog presumably because I don't use gtk xD
2021-02-01T19:29:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> but luckily you can fuck with github using curl and an api key. so it doesn't even matter! easily scriptable releases. I love it.
2021-02-01T20:22:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm a little late because I just woke up, but I think I agree with the "we don't need a BDFL" concept
2021-02-01T20:23:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> not that I think we should have a committee either. just a bazaar sort of development model, where people can add patches and stuff and use them if they want
2021-02-01T20:23:39 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-02-01T20:42:24 #kisslinux <acheam> Sure, but you still need *some* organization structure. In this case, kiss-community
2021-02-01T20:43:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, absolutely
2021-02-01T20:43:24 #kisslinux <acheam> Are there any more planned features for kiss?
2021-02-01T20:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-02-01T20:43:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> dylan was in the process of rewriting it in c
2021-02-01T20:43:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I thought he gave that up
2021-02-01T20:43:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> I never heard that
2021-02-01T20:44:27 #kisslinux <acheam> 2020-08-03: The C package manager is on hold and I will be revisiting it soon. The vision I
2021-02-01T20:44:29 #kisslinux <acheam> have for it has changed and I'd like to explore something slightly different.
2021-02-01T20:44:31 #kisslinux <acheam> Will have more to share about this later.
2021-02-01T20:44:40 #kisslinux <acheam> https://k1ss.org/blog/20200803a
2021-02-01T20:44:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> on hold doesn't mean gave up
2021-02-01T20:44:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-02-01T20:44:48 #kisslinux <acheam> thats what I meant
2021-02-01T20:45:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah, my bad then
2021-02-01T20:45:05 #kisslinux <soliwilos> He was working on it a fair bit before he went on his break.
2021-02-01T20:45:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> although tbh I don't think KISS needs to be worked on a ton
2021-02-01T20:45:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe if we can find a way to make it even more POSIX
2021-02-01T20:46:09 #kisslinux <acheam> Could we call it feature complete then, have the only new work be refactoring, maintenance, etc
2021-02-01T20:46:18 #kisslinux <soliwilos> You can see on the repo for k in Dylan's github.
2021-02-01T20:46:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> definitely, I think
2021-02-01T20:46:33 #kisslinux <aarng> > Could we call it feature complete then
2021-02-01T20:46:37 #kisslinux <aarng> yes, pls
2021-02-01T20:46:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then maybe fork the existing codebase to work on a new and improved but not necessarily portable variant
2021-02-01T20:47:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, maybe we could make a version that's completely self-contained, like k
2021-02-01T20:47:06 #kisslinux <acheam> Do people want that?
2021-02-01T20:47:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, if people want that, they'll do it
2021-02-01T20:48:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think dylan considered kiss feature-complete, hence the rewrite k
2021-02-01T20:48:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> any other additions to kiss should probably just be small tweaks/bug fixes if they arise
2021-02-01T20:48:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> finishing k would probably make dylan happy xD
2021-02-01T20:49:15 #kisslinux <acheam> k is a pretty big project to take on
2021-02-01T20:49:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i agree
2021-02-01T20:49:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> not only would you have to proficient in POSIX but also C. i know that I wouldn't feel comfortable working on it
2021-02-01T20:49:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> not yet, anyway
2021-02-01T20:51:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> yar
2021-02-01T20:52:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again, it could also be a good learning exercise
2021-02-01T20:52:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe there should be "teams" that work on each individual project
2021-02-01T20:52:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> so we could put together a k team, a maintenance team, etc
2021-02-01T20:53:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I like that idea
2021-02-01T20:53:17 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-02-01T20:53:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i figure it'd make it easy to keep track of who's doing what, and it'd make it easy to ensure we assign people to what task they're best at
2021-02-01T20:53:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I could help with the "meta" team, managing the GH repo, triaging issues, website, etc
2021-02-01T20:54:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> would probably need a release team to work on putting together leaner tarballs
2021-02-01T20:54:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> i like the idea of two people on kiss-community/repo, another on community
2021-02-01T20:55:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then maybe also look into a ports team, for modifying existing software to work in a more POSIXly or musl-ly compliant manner. idk
2021-02-01T20:55:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> lotsa ways to do it
2021-02-01T20:57:40 #kisslinux <acheam> So do we try and get people to give up on the official kisslinux GH org?
2021-02-01T20:57:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> Not sure
2021-02-01T20:58:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> If we're going to have a "meta" team managing web stuff, we could always set up a gitlab or gitea instance
2021-02-01T20:58:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> github is owned by MS anyways, which is... eeeeeh...
2021-02-01T20:58:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I second self-hosting
2021-02-01T20:59:30 #kisslinux <acheam> I think we should create our wholy-own kiss-community infra
2021-02-01T20:59:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> Neo-KISS
2021-02-01T20:59:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> make it happen bb
2021-02-01T20:59:58 #kisslinux <acheam> Honestly.... we could
2021-02-01T21:00:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely
2021-02-01T21:00:19 #kisslinux <acheam> That might be the clearest way forward
2021-02-01T21:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't have a ton of cash I could contribute, but I have lots of time so I can work on stuff a fair bit
2021-02-01T21:01:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> could also probably mirror the site on SDF
2021-02-01T21:01:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec gotta grab my laptop so I can talk while I cook
2021-02-01T21:01:45 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl already has a gemini mirror hosted on his tilde page
2021-02-01T21:02:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i keep forgetting gemini exists... need to play with it more
2021-02-01T21:02:43 #kisslinux <acheam> its good stuff
2021-02-01T21:02:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> really is
2021-02-01T21:03:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyways laptop is now up
2021-02-01T21:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gonna go cook breakfast at... 1700
2021-02-01T21:03:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> very normal times
2021-02-01T21:05:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> absolutely standard
2021-02-01T21:05:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my fault for sleeping all day but w/e
2021-02-01T21:05:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i work better at nighttime so nothing lost
2021-02-01T21:05:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nighttime is best time anyway
2021-02-01T21:06:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> exactly
2021-02-01T21:07:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> heh, can't help but feel excited about the possibility of restarting KISS development
2021-02-01T21:08:09 #kisslinux <acheam> Heres my proposition: We fork into neo-kiss. Development and official point of communication is a Gitea server (or maybe Phabricator?) hosted at neokiss.net (Or similar domain... I can buy the domain and host the instance). Small teams take on individual tasks like increasing KISS portability, k, init, repo-commmunity, repo-main, etc, each organized into their own repos. We try and recruit as many people
2021-02-01T21:08:11 #kisslinux <acheam> as possible from the main kisslinux GH org, although i'm sure that over time people will slowly migrate over to us.
2021-02-01T21:09:12 #kisslinux <acheam> Day-to-day development discussion happens here (we can try and get op access from Freenode staff), and we could also set up a mailing list for bigger announcements
2021-02-01T21:09:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sounds good to me
2021-02-01T21:10:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hmm. maybe in the future we could even look at an official BSD port
2021-02-01T21:12:21 #kisslinux <sad_plan> sounds interesting, and I would say right of the bat, that Id be happy to help, in any way I can. would be a great learning experience for me aswell
2021-02-01T21:12:26 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser[m]_:  nerditup,, ominous_anonymou, dilyn, kiedtl, aarng, mcpcpc[m], sad_plan. Apologies for the bulk ping, but can I get your opinion on the above proposition?
2021-02-01T21:13:00 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila1:  BSD port would be sick
2021-02-01T21:13:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Im in. I really like KIss linux, and id hate so see it die, or just.. exist without really moving in any direction, when theres always room for improvements
2021-02-01T21:13:56 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ive never tried bsd, but its indeed an interesting idea. Ive thought about checking out oBSD anyway
2021-02-01T21:14:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'll probably switch to dBSD or hBSD some time in the future
2021-02-01T21:14:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> linux kernel development is going in a... concerning direction
2021-02-01T21:14:57 #kisslinux <acheam> nooo, midfavila1, don't leave us! Port KISS to it first so you don't have to go!
2021-02-01T21:15:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, I read the post about hyperbola? or was it parabola? that was going to swtich over to bsd stuff.
2021-02-01T21:15:30 #kisslinux <acheam> its the right choice IMO
2021-02-01T21:15:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hyperbola
2021-02-01T21:15:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I wouldn't leave KISS at this point :P
2021-02-01T21:15:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> right.
2021-02-01T21:15:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i can't slake my autism with any other distro
2021-02-01T21:16:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i tried source mage for a while, but sorcery is even slower than portage
2021-02-01T21:17:47 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, I don't have an opinion yet
2021-02-01T21:17:51 #kisslinux <nerditup> I'm all in for a BSD port, the kiss base could be so solid if we were able to standardize on a core set of utilities
2021-02-01T21:18:19 #kisslinux <nerditup> I've been away for some time (work has picked up full steam after the Holidays)
2021-02-01T21:18:36 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm setting up a Gitea instance right now.
2021-02-01T21:19:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> v based
2021-02-01T21:19:13 #kisslinux <nerditup> I would love to help where I can, I'm a sysadmin ("DevOps") engineer by trade
2021-02-01T21:20:08 #kisslinux <acheam> Good to know nerditup. I've setup gitea before, so I think i'm fine for now :)
2021-02-01T21:20:31 #kisslinux <acheam> We do need a domain name though
2021-02-01T21:20:44 #kisslinux <acheam> (or you could choose a subdomain of one of my domains for now)
2021-02-01T21:20:56 #kisslinux <nerditup> I was sad to see I was removed from the KISS Community on GH, but I understand since I've been MIA for a few weeks now
2021-02-01T21:20:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'll help with the site where I can too, although I'm only a sysadmin student
2021-02-01T21:21:41 #kisslinux <acheam> nerditup:  I'd be happy to add you back, there were just lots of people who were in there that didn't need full org access so I removed them
2021-02-01T21:21:46 #kisslinux <nerditup> Happy to see the passion remained
2021-02-01T21:21:50 #kisslinux <acheam> but hopefully the GH org will only be relevant for a few more days :)
2021-02-01T21:22:16 #kisslinux <nerditup> For sure, include me in the new movement! Again, I'm eager/happy to help
2021-02-01T21:22:36 #kisslinux <nerditup> A KISS BSD would be the dream for me
2021-02-01T21:23:05 #kisslinux <nerditup> But happy to stick with Linux in the short term
2021-02-01T21:24:03 #kisslinux <nerditup> I'm tired of client work already and its just February lol
2021-02-01T21:24:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> rip
2021-02-01T21:24:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've been bored out of my mind with classes myself. haven't actually bothered showing up in like a week
2021-02-01T21:24:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> we're prepping for the A+
2021-02-01T21:24:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which is just... ugh
2021-02-01T21:26:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would be reticent to change the name
2021-02-01T21:27:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> We're not really forking the project
2021-02-01T21:27:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> what we *could* do is buy k1ss.org when it goes up and have it redirect to a version of the site hosted on github.com/kiss-community
2021-02-01T21:29:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it's better that we stay as close to where KISS is as possible just in case dylan comes back, but also because a lot of the news surrounding KISS points it to all of his work; breaking off in a real way (like what forking entails) would fracture the community, and make it harder for people to identify what KISS is
2021-02-01T21:29:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I can see people looking up KISS and seeing Dylan's work on Github, noticing it's dead, and losing interest, without recognizing neoKISS exists, for instance
2021-02-01T21:29:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> if we're going to continue as kiss linux, and not neo-kiss, we should buy the domain.
2021-02-01T21:30:21 #kisslinux <acheam> thats all very valid criticism dilyn
2021-02-01T21:30:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think we should buy the domain regardless lmao
2021-02-01T21:30:48 #kisslinux <acheam> my concern is that we will forever be waiting for dylan forever, never getting anything done.... See vim/neovim
2021-02-01T21:30:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> otherwise, acheam, i'm fine with your proposal, although I dont' think we should set out with such lofty goals from the get-go
2021-02-01T21:31:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, we gotta scale up slowly
2021-02-01T21:31:13 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:  understandable, it was incredibly ambitious
2021-02-01T21:31:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean we can do all this without waiting, it's mostly just to ensure that places like hackernews/reddit/distrowatch don't confuse people with potentially old information on where to go to learn more about the project
2021-02-01T21:31:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's not that it's ambitious it's just that it might not all be necessary haha
2021-02-01T21:31:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I kinda agree with archeam here, we cant just sit here and wait for Dylan to show up, what if he never does, and e *wasted* perhaps a year with doing basiclly nothing?
2021-02-01T21:32:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> like I can forsee a single person being required to watch init+kiss+baselayout, you know?
2021-02-01T21:32:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I agree with dilyn about kiss-community and keeping close to KISS wherever possible
2021-02-01T21:32:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the core stuff is already in place and hadn't really been changing quickly any more, so really it's more package updates/maintenance
2021-02-01T21:33:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-02-01T21:33:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> i think that if we think we need to make changes to how the foundation of KISS as a distro operates, we're doing something wrong
2021-02-01T21:34:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i don't think we would be making changes to how KISS operates, just organizing it and moving it towards being kernel agnostic
2021-02-01T21:34:50 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-02-01T21:34:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which is a Good Thing:tm:, in my opinion
2021-02-01T21:35:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh fuck my bacon is burning
2021-02-01T21:35:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> one sec
2021-02-01T21:35:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> okay crisis averted
2021-02-01T21:35:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> As a starting point, we should basically just need two people with permissions to push directly to the repo (main+community) to ensure PRs get pulled on time, one person to maintain the wiki and website to push news/blogs/wiki articles, one or two people to take care of POSIXy-stuff
2021-02-01T21:35:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-02-01T21:36:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think pursuing a BSD spin-up is a super good idea; dylan wanted to see that happen and a few people have brought up doing it previously. so there's interest, and it would be a great continuation of the project
2021-02-01T21:37:51 #kisslinux * midfavila1 nods
2021-02-01T21:38:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> god I need to update my battery monitoring script
2021-02-01T21:40:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> dont' need to monitor your battery if your laptop is always plugged in
2021-02-01T21:40:53 #kisslinux * dilyn points at forehead
2021-02-01T21:41:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ^
2021-02-01T21:41:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my laptop is only plugged in when I'm at my desktop nerd
2021-02-01T21:41:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> been meaning to get a dock actually
2021-02-01T21:41:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: I apologize for the late reply, but I'd strongly prefer waiting a few weeks longer (maybe even a month?) for information on Dylan's whereabouts before taking this action.
2021-02-01T21:42:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> On the other hand, I'm barely involved in the KISS project so I'm not sure my opinion is really worth anything :I
2021-02-01T21:42:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/project/project anymore/
2021-02-01T21:42:16 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl> On the other hand, I'm barely involved in the KISS project anymore so I'm not sure my opinion is really worth anything :I
2021-02-01T21:42:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> kiedtl: there has been talk about waiting for the 6 months mark, but I dunno if you guys are still on that boat, or if you just wanna get started asap
2021-02-01T21:43:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, haven't we already waited for four months or so at this point?
2021-02-01T21:43:30 #kisslinux <sad_plan> no, its not ever 3 yet
2021-02-01T21:43:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-02-01T21:43:56 #kisslinux <sad_plan> s/ever/even
2021-02-01T21:43:57 #kisslinux <kissbot> <sad_plan> no, its not even 3 yet
2021-02-01T21:44:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'd prefer to wait *at least* four months, ...
2021-02-01T21:44:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> coulda sworn he disappeared in september of last year... unless I'm misremembering something
2021-02-01T21:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lemme check his github
2021-02-01T21:44:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> november :)
2021-02-01T21:44:21 #kisslinux <sad_plan> what omninous said ^
2021-02-01T21:44:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ah, my bad then
2021-02-01T21:44:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Speaking of Dylan, does anyone have any information as to Dylan's physical location in Greece?
2021-02-01T21:44:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd wait until the domain goes up for sale
2021-02-01T21:45:45 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl:  yes, we've tracked down his apartment building we think
2021-02-01T21:45:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-02-01T21:45:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fuck yes
2021-02-01T21:45:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> some of us talked about it kiedtl but we don't think he'd want to be bothered in real life like that.  either he voluntarily left, which means he purposely has not contacted anyone... or he involuntarily left which means there's not really anything we'd be able to do anyways
2021-02-01T21:46:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> which was some exhilarating investigation
2021-02-01T21:46:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ominous: I'm totally fine if he voluntarily left, but if he involuntarily left (*looks outside*) I think it's best we know
2021-02-01T21:46:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> 4chan and Shia Laboeuf would be proud for sure lol
2021-02-01T21:47:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i mean, if he died then it doesn't change anything right?
2021-02-01T21:47:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i think he would have posted if he got sick though
2021-02-01T21:47:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re 4chan: uhg, don't share the apart addr in this channel, lol
2021-02-01T21:47:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila1: maybe the Ubuntu folks hired someone to do a hit-and-run
2021-02-01T21:48:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/Ubuntu/Red Hat/
2021-02-01T21:48:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> poettering got sick of dylan's shit
2021-02-01T21:48:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lmfao
2021-02-01T21:48:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> now THAT i woudln't be surprised at
2021-02-01T21:48:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ominous: if he died, it would mean we woudn't need to wait another two months before forking kiss
2021-02-01T21:49:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i mean, we're not really forking it
2021-02-01T21:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just continuing it
2021-02-01T21:49:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> kiss is essentially already "forked" though, with kiss-community.  so waiting another couple months isn't really a problem
2021-02-01T21:49:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> setting up a new domain name etc is kinda more drastic than just moving the git repo
2021-02-01T21:50:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so then what if we keep the domain and name, moved all the stuff to independent hosting, and continued from there?
2021-02-01T21:50:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> could fork the site too, and point the old domain name to the kiss-community-site repo or whatever
2021-02-01T21:50:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that way everyone's happy
2021-02-01T21:50:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wish we could just take over the old git org
2021-02-01T21:51:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hmm... I wonder if I should submit a support request to gh asking about that
2021-02-01T21:51:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> eeeehhhh
2021-02-01T21:51:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or maybe I should take my own advice and wait
2021-02-01T21:51:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> XD
2021-02-01T21:51:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> if dylan wanted people to take over kisslinux he would've done something
2021-02-01T21:52:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i dunno about that
2021-02-01T21:52:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I wonder if he ever thought of it
2021-02-01T21:52:07 #kisslinux <acheam> like.... not leave?
2021-02-01T21:52:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I like the idea of just rehosting and migrating to kiss-community, and telegraphing that change
2021-02-01T21:52:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ^ i think that makes most sense
2021-02-01T21:52:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> he would've added somebody to it that he trusted, but he made clear he had no interest in doing that
2021-02-01T21:52:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and probablly least work
2021-02-01T21:52:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i feel like he chose to allow the community to take over the second he made a distro with a zero bus factor
2021-02-01T21:52:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> the hardest part is just going to be the subreddit because we can't pin posts lmfao
2021-02-01T21:52:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-02-01T21:53:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> besides it's not like we're booting dylan
2021-02-01T21:53:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: I think we should look into taking ownership of the GH org anyways, even if we're going to move to a new repo; at least then we'll be able to add a notice the the readme/description "MOVED: <new repo>"
2021-02-01T21:53:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://k1ss.org/faq#4.0 he states what to do here
2021-02-01T21:53:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if he comes back in a year, or five, or whatever, he can just take the projcet back
2021-02-01T21:53:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah, that's another point
2021-02-01T21:54:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> if he comes back, it'll be easeier to merge the community/orignal repos, because there will be no merging to do
2021-02-01T21:54:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhm
2021-02-01T21:54:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think we need to take over the original gh org because if we just comandeer the domain we can point it to anywhere we want
2021-02-01T21:55:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ^
2021-02-01T21:55:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> i think most people who find KISS on github via kisslinux already know what's happened
2021-02-01T21:55:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> there are a lot of people who will go the GH org/repo first though, see "last commit 3 months ago", and leave
2021-02-01T21:55:43 #kisslinux <acheam> Yeah there is no changing that
2021-02-01T21:55:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, also, like
2021-02-01T21:55:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean that's quite possible; i only know that that's not how I find information on projects :S
2021-02-01T21:56:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if they're willing to just take the first result and say "meh"...
2021-02-01T21:56:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> do we really want those people?
2021-02-01T21:56:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> my first search is never github, it's always google for a website or reddit
2021-02-01T21:56:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol yeah who needs em! fuck em
2021-02-01T21:56:43 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-02-01T21:57:42 #kisslinux <acheam> People will come over if you give them time. If Dylan never comes back, KISS will fade, and Neokiss will take over. If he never comes back, kiss-community will just be limiting itself for an indefinite amount of time
2021-02-01T21:57:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think it's worth worrying about. I think the users who would find dylan's repo and NOT k1ss.org is such a small percentage of the few people who would want to use KISS anyways that it isn't worth the effort
2021-02-01T21:58:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> it isn't limited if we control k1ss.org tho
2021-02-01T21:58:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> plus I feel like KISS is such a niche project that worrying about "will people use it" is kinda a moot point
2021-02-01T21:58:36 #kisslinux <acheam> How do we get k1ss.org? WHOIS lookup says expires 2027, but that might be randomized for privacy
2021-02-01T21:58:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyone attracted to the philosophy of KISS will keep looking until they find something
2021-02-01T21:58:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, all the links point to k1ss.org and IRC, people can find kiss-community via git tags for kiss-repo
2021-02-01T21:58:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: not an indefinite amount of time, just for the next two months
2021-02-01T21:58:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-02-01T21:59:11 #kisslinux <acheam> where are you getting 2 months from?
2021-02-01T21:59:16 #kisslinux <acheam> I might have missed that
2021-02-01T21:59:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> My suggestion was to wait *at least* two months (preferably four more) before going full-on with neokiss
2021-02-01T22:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i think that's fair
2021-02-01T22:00:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't really see a significant chance where Dylan comes back in the next two months
2021-02-01T22:00:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> we need the domain anyway to continue with neokiss
2021-02-01T22:01:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so we should spend the two months gearing up for the shift
2021-02-01T22:01:06 #kisslinux <acheam> We could always just get neokiss.net or something
2021-02-01T22:01:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-02-01T22:01:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ?
2021-02-01T22:02:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> neokiss.net made me throw up a little
2021-02-01T22:02:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> .net domains are gross
2021-02-01T22:02:25 #kisslinux <acheam> i loove .net domains
2021-02-01T22:02:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yes, why not neokiss.org?
2021-02-01T22:02:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> .net is great
2021-02-01T22:02:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> .org is also acceptable
2021-02-01T22:02:45 #kisslinux <acheam> .org is overused IMO
2021-02-01T22:02:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> but why get a new domain
2021-02-01T22:02:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> .org is OP
2021-02-01T22:02:55 #kisslinux <acheam> how are we going to get k1ss.org....
2021-02-01T22:02:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: dylan chose .org
2021-02-01T22:03:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> okay so
2021-02-01T22:03:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> how about this
2021-02-01T22:03:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> we spend the next two months gearing up for a potential shift
2021-02-01T22:03:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if the domain goes up and dylan doesn't come back, we buy it
2021-02-01T22:03:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> which shouldn't be hard
2021-02-01T22:03:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> then shift everything over
2021-02-01T22:03:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if he doesn't come back and the domain doesn't go up, we get a new one and continue as usual
2021-02-01T22:03:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean we already have most everything forked
2021-02-01T22:03:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if he does come back, we've made progress on KISS and nothing is lost
2021-02-01T22:04:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wait... when is k1ss.org expiring...?
2021-02-01T22:04:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only thing I'm proposing on waiting on is forking the website and wiki to point people *OFFICIALLY* to kiss-community
2021-02-01T22:04:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> apparently two months from now
2021-02-01T22:04:23 #kisslinux <acheam> Can I bring up the question of self hosting again
2021-02-01T22:04:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ngl I'm with acheam on this
2021-02-01T22:04:37 #kisslinux <acheam> not a fan of the github reliance, and if we are starting over, we may as well, start nicely
2021-02-01T22:04:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> we should move away from github
2021-02-01T22:04:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> if somebody wants to maintain that, selfhosting is fine
2021-02-01T22:04:50 #kisslinux <acheam> I can do it
2021-02-01T22:04:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> but of course we'd need multiple people to have access to whatever is required
2021-02-01T22:05:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I already just set up a gitea instance
2021-02-01T22:05:03 #kisslinux <acheam> ofc
2021-02-01T22:05:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean
2021-02-01T22:05:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> if acheam disappears, ...
2021-02-01T22:05:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-02-01T22:05:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> right
2021-02-01T22:05:28 #kisslinux <acheam> bus factor will != 1
2021-02-01T22:05:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> honestly yeah, I don't like reliance on GH either
2021-02-01T22:05:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> so what we really need is two people in this channel to move in together...
2021-02-01T22:05:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but at least we shoudl consider sr.ht...?
2021-02-01T22:05:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i can mirror acheam's repo
2021-02-01T22:05:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> since I have access to SDF's Gitea
2021-02-01T22:06:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I don't mind helping out directly either
2021-02-01T22:06:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no point in mirrors if acheam server goes down after he's shot by canonical gunmen
2021-02-01T22:06:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I'll give SSH access to some trusted people
2021-02-01T22:06:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or do I miss something
2021-02-01T22:06:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-02-01T22:06:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> mirror as in a copy
2021-02-01T22:06:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not like
2021-02-01T22:06:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just pointing to it
2021-02-01T22:06:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> maybe mirror wasn't the best term, idk
2021-02-01T22:06:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I know nothing about that stuff; I barely understand github
2021-02-01T22:07:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i only just learned how to use git the other day, pffffft
2021-02-01T22:07:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> so whatever y'all piece together, I agree on so long as it's redundant and resilient to *one person* going AWOL
2021-02-01T22:07:31 #kisslinux <acheam> It will be
2021-02-01T22:07:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ...Yeah? My point was that if acheam's server goes away suddenly we'll be entirely helpless. If we're on GitHub/sr.ht/GitLab we can at least petition the tyrants there to take ownership of the infra
2021-02-01T22:07:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> fax
2021-02-01T22:07:45 #kisslinux <acheam> Gitea is easy to setup
2021-02-01T22:07:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, like I said, I can host a copy of acheam's stuff
2021-02-01T22:07:51 #kisslinux <acheam> and easy to export data from
2021-02-01T22:07:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> am i reading the registrar information wrong?  it looks like it says registry expiration date for k1ss.org is feb 14 2021
2021-02-01T22:08:04 #kisslinux <acheam> where are you getting that from?
2021-02-01T22:08:11 #kisslinux <acheam> my whois lookup said 2027
2021-02-01T22:08:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-02-01T22:08:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> O.o
2021-02-01T22:08:30 #kisslinux <acheam> It may be a randomized date
2021-02-01T22:08:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-02-01T22:08:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> bit of a difference there eh
2021-02-01T22:08:32 #kisslinux <acheam> for privacy
2021-02-01T22:08:42 #kisslinux <acheam> idk how these domain privacy services work
2021-02-01T22:08:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> so it's agreed. we will proceed in 2027 with this plan.
2021-02-01T22:08:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> feb 14 2021, mar 2021, 2027, ...three different expire dates
2021-02-01T22:08:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> kek
2021-02-01T22:08:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-02-01T22:08:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> RemindMe! 2027
2021-02-01T22:08:59 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-01T22:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i think our plan should be independent of whenever it expires
2021-02-01T22:09:07 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll setup a reminder for myself on feb 14
2021-02-01T22:09:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> let's set a hard deadline and move from there
2021-02-01T22:09:30 #kisslinux <acheam> March 30?
2021-02-01T22:09:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm 100% on board with going ahead on setting up the infra rn
2021-02-01T22:10:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> then it looks like we have a general consensus on how to go about things
2021-02-01T22:10:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then announcing all these changes end of march
2021-02-01T22:10:19 #kisslinux * midfavila1 nods
2021-02-01T22:10:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> seems like a good compromise
2021-02-01T22:10:36 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-02-01T22:10:47 #kisslinux <acheam> FYI a gitea instance at kiss.armaanb.net now exists
2021-02-01T22:10:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> based
2021-02-01T22:11:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> and now that I have a working browser I can actually participate! huzzah
2021-02-01T22:11:10 #kisslinux * kiedtl cries in netsurf
2021-02-01T22:11:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> something something use pale moon
2021-02-01T22:11:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-02-01T22:11:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> not on an rpi, no
2021-02-01T22:11:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh, rpi, fuckin rip
2021-02-01T22:11:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I use a patched Links with suckless tabbed on my laptop tbh
2021-02-01T22:12:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> this, kids, is why you should just use email and RCS
2021-02-01T22:12:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I've got lots of work to do, see you folks
2021-02-01T22:12:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cya
2021-02-01T22:12:13 #kisslinux <acheam> productive day
2021-02-01T22:12:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lemme know if you need a hand acheam
2021-02-01T22:13:36 #kisslinux <nerditup> .org is the only way to go
2021-02-01T22:13:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> k1ss-org.net
2021-02-01T22:14:07 #kisslinux * nerditup points at forehead
2021-02-01T22:14:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-02-01T22:14:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> i will burn down whatever server hosts that website
2021-02-01T22:14:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> no SSL cert either
2021-02-01T22:14:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> kiss.org.net.xyz.club.io
2021-02-01T22:14:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fight me
2021-02-01T22:14:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> honestly I never really understood why Dylan didn't just use kisslinux.org
2021-02-01T22:14:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> missed .gov in the middle somewhere
2021-02-01T22:15:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> like every other distro does
2021-02-01T22:15:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> we should
2021-02-01T22:15:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because kiss isn't just linux
2021-02-01T22:15:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-02-01T22:15:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck neokiss. kisslinux.org
2021-02-01T22:15:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's posix, really
2021-02-01T22:15:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's cleaner and provides some, uh, respectability...?
2021-02-01T22:15:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> k1ss.org looks like a hack
2021-02-01T22:15:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> respectability is dum
2021-02-01T22:15:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> maybe looking like a hack was the point :)
2021-02-01T22:15:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> we should buy kisslinux.org and just make it point to 2 girls 1 cup
2021-02-01T22:15:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i don't think kiss is meant to be "professional"
2021-02-01T22:16:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: no, or we'd probably have some dumb 9front-esque auswitchz jokes on the k1ss.org frontpage
2021-02-01T22:16:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> optics are important
2021-02-01T22:16:35 #kisslinux * midfavila1 sweats
2021-02-01T22:17:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-02-01T22:17:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> plaster the page with pepes
2021-02-01T22:17:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> muh distro
2021-02-01T22:17:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh my gosh
2021-02-01T22:17:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> make a pepe pinup girl
2021-02-01T22:17:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the new kiss logo
2021-02-01T22:17:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> jesus
2021-02-01T22:17:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay this has to stop
2021-02-01T22:17:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> cackle
2021-02-01T22:18:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm gonna have nightmares about 9gag
2021-02-01T22:18:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> >9gag
2021-02-01T22:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> normie
2021-02-01T22:18:18 #kisslinux * dilyn cries in 2009
2021-02-01T22:18:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> go back to ytmnd or btfo
2021-02-01T22:18:41 #kisslinux <nerditup> You're the man now dawg
2021-02-01T22:18:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw i don't know what those are
2021-02-01T22:18:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at me
2021-02-01T22:18:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm the dylan now
2021-02-01T22:19:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> i thought that was me
2021-02-01T22:19:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> plot twist motherfucker
2021-02-01T22:19:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was me all along
2021-02-01T22:19:23 #kisslinux <nerditup> How are your cats?
2021-02-01T22:19:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> the absolute mad lad
2021-02-01T22:19:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> cats never existed
2021-02-01T22:19:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't actually live in greece
2021-02-01T22:19:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm currently connecting to earth from my secret base on the moon with a laser uplink provided by NASA
2021-02-01T22:20:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if dylan _does_ have a code embedded in that one page, i wonder how long before he gives up on us for not being smart enough to figure it out
2021-02-01T22:20:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> just post it on /x/ and /g/
2021-02-01T22:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> come back in a day, problem solved
2021-02-01T22:38:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> out of curiousity, why hasnt anyone done that? i mean, if you wanna know what it means. afraid someone will send hitmen on Dylan? like poettering?:p
2021-02-01T22:39:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait is there actually a page with a supposed code? which?
2021-02-01T22:40:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I was refering to the crypto stuff at dylan.k1ss.org or whatever it was
2021-02-01T22:40:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I assumed that was what you refered to aswell :p
2021-02-01T22:40:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was just shitposting :v
2021-02-01T22:41:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah ok, nevermind then :p
2021-02-01T22:42:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck I knew I should have practiced on ARGs more
2021-02-01T22:43:20 #kisslinux <sad_plan> priorities :p
2021-02-01T22:47:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> well doing a quick google search didn't reveal anything. to be expected
2021-02-01T22:47:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are lots of people going on about numerology though
2021-02-01T22:48:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> if you know anyone who does, why dont you give them a ping? perhaps theyre curious about figuring out what i means?
2021-02-01T22:48:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> numerology doesn't have letters in it
2021-02-01T22:48:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-02-01T22:48:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's also possible that it's just garbage
2021-02-01T22:49:55 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-02-01T22:50:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> perhaps we shall never know
2021-02-01T22:50:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> wait, I didnt even know I could do that
2021-02-01T22:50:12 #kisslinux <sad_plan> time will show
2021-02-01T22:50:23 #kisslinux <sad_plan> s/show/tell
2021-02-01T22:50:24 #kisslinux <kissbot> <sad_plan> time will tell