2021-01-22T00:41:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I return
2021-01-22T01:18:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> midfavila: if you want a static gcc, this worked for me
2021-01-22T01:18:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> dilyn-corner.github.io/blog/STATIC-kiss
2021-01-22T01:18:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> you don't have to follow the whole thing, but the instructions are copy-pasteable (and followable if you want to cross-compile)
2021-01-22T01:19:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> will have to peek at it
2021-01-22T01:19:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> thanks
2021-01-22T01:19:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhm
2021-01-22T01:19:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> eventually i'll put my toolchain on @/dilyn-corner/KISS-static, just been busy
2021-01-22T01:21:34 #kisslinux * midfavila1 nods
2021-01-22T01:21:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's a mood
2021-01-22T01:23:23 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila1: There is a very special kind of person like us to spend three hours to get two sets of programs to use the same font
2021-01-22T01:23:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I suppose so
2021-01-22T01:24:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> although it'd be nice if Xaw supported Xft across the board
2021-01-22T01:24:53 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: that WM reminds me of plan 9 Rio
2021-01-22T01:25:06 #kisslinux <acheam> there is a nice wayland "port" of it called Wio
2021-01-22T01:26:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> fonts are awful. on every OS
2021-01-22T01:26:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> only system it's ever been painless on for me is KISS, go fuckin' figure...
2021-01-22T01:27:07 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: I also love how Zebra numbers their blog posts with hexadecimal, I regret my basic base 10 numbering system on mine now lol
2021-01-22T01:27:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i find kiss to be less painful than other distros in general because there's nothing there to rip out :p
2021-01-22T01:27:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like, god, imagine trying to replace soystemd on ubuntu
2021-01-22T01:28:12 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm that actually might not be too hard?
2021-01-22T01:28:30 #kisslinux <acheam> Debian supports s6 as an alternate init system, and not much added in Ubuntu depends on systemd
2021-01-22T01:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you can't just prove me wrong on the internet
2021-01-22T01:28:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> smh
2021-01-22T01:29:00 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-01-22T01:31:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I kinda wish AmiWM wasn't abandoned
2021-01-22T01:31:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> was a nifty project
2021-01-22T01:32:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem with doing stuff like that is you'd have to do a lot of work with the package system in the first place lol
2021-01-22T01:32:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> otherwise you'll just keep getting told you need systemd to install updates
2021-01-22T01:37:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> totally unrelated but do any of you guys use linux on tablet PCs?
2021-01-22T01:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm having a spot of trouble with my laptop's wacom digitiser
2021-01-22T03:45:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's something crazy happening on the net tonight, has to be
2021-01-22T03:45:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've had nodes fail on the way to tons of sites. way more than usual
2021-01-22T04:20:50 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> What desktops are best to use with kiss?
2021-01-22T04:34:05 #kisslinux <acheam> AmeliaFloof: whatever you want :) its much easier to just use a window manager though, because desktop environments are complex beasts to compile and manage from source. dilyn has the kiss-kde repo, and someone has an XFCE repo IIRC, but its not as easy as an "apt install kde-desktop". personally, in terms of window managers I like JWM, DWM, and Fluxbox, but there are tons to chose from (and everyone will disagree on them). in this channel, people tend
2021-01-22T04:34:05 #kisslinux <acheam> to like lightweight environments that harken back to the classic days of Unix/linux. I use KDE plasma, but not on KISS.
2021-01-22T04:36:23 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Which one would be the least of a hassle you think
2021-01-22T04:42:23 #kisslinux <acheam> probably XFCE, but you have to be ready to manage it yourself.
2021-01-22T04:42:26 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/periish/kiss-xfce4
2021-01-22T04:42:43 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Thats okay. I appreciate the help
2021-01-22T04:42:50 #kisslinux <acheam> any time
2021-01-22T04:44:12 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser[m]_m:  my inbox is getting flooded with Kiss notifications, thanks for doing all this work!
2021-01-22T04:44:33 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> I use to distros with a lot of maintenance luckily
2021-01-22T04:44:39 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> I prefer them :3
2021-01-22T04:46:50 #kisslinux <acheam> well with kiss, hopefully the distro stays out of your way as much as possible, and is never the thing needing the maintinence. I find that with gentoo and other distros like that the maintanence lies in the distro-specific tools and stuff, but on kiss the systems are so thin and simple, they can get out of your way as much as possible while still providing lots of conviniences
2021-01-22T04:47:09 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> I came from gentoo
2021-01-22T04:47:53 #kisslinux <acheam> and you'll never go back, I'm sure :)
2021-01-22T04:49:16 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> I cloned the file
2021-01-22T04:49:33 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Uh so I have to go into every thing and manually compile I persume?
2021-01-22T04:50:22 #kisslinux <acheam> the release on github is a rootfs. the install guide at k1ss.org explains the whole process
2021-01-22T04:50:58 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> I already havw kiss installed
2021-01-22T04:51:44 #kisslinux <acheam> also, when it comes time to setup your repositories, use the ones at github.com/kiss-community, not github.com/kisslinux
2021-01-22T04:51:53 #kisslinux <acheam> ah I see
2021-01-22T04:51:55 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> I already did all that
2021-01-22T04:51:56 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Dw
2021-01-22T04:52:04 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> I havw a fully functioning system
2021-01-22T04:52:11 #kisslinux <acheam> great
2021-01-22T04:52:21 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> acheam: No problem!
2021-01-22T04:52:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm confused at your question then AmeliaFloof
2021-01-22T04:52:35 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> How do I load a de?
2021-01-22T04:54:57 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Is the xfce4 a repo?
2021-01-22T04:55:44 #kisslinux <acheam> assuming you chose the XFCE repo I linked above, clone it somewhere, add the path to $KISS_PATH, then just install all the packages you want from it
2021-01-22T04:55:59 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Oohhh
2021-01-22T04:56:07 #kisslinux <acheam> then start X in your favorite way
2021-01-22T04:57:49 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Ok this makes sense
2021-01-22T05:00:22 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Ayyy its building!
2021-01-22T05:06:04 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> I got the error
2021-01-22T05:06:04 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Configure error XML::Parser perl Module is required for intltool
2021-01-22T05:06:47 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> What package would that be in?
2021-01-22T05:07:18 #kisslinux <acheam> you might need to get it from cpan
2021-01-22T05:07:39 #kisslinux <acheam> but im not sure
2021-01-22T05:07:49 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> What's that?
2021-01-22T05:08:03 #kisslinux <acheam> the Perl package archives
2021-01-22T05:08:18 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Is this a repo I need to clone?
2021-01-22T05:10:35 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Try editing the build file
2021-01-22T05:11:32 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> http://ix.io/2MRv add this above the `./configure` line
2021-01-22T05:13:08 #kisslinux <acheam> and if it works, make a PR so others don't have to face the same thing :)
2021-01-22T05:19:02 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> To which
2021-01-22T05:19:13 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Perl or the thing I'm compiling
2021-01-22T05:27:17 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> It worked
2021-01-22T05:28:12 #kisslinux <acheam> yay! the thing your compiling
2021-01-22T05:28:24 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Now the next one is breaking
2021-01-22T05:28:25 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Bruhh
2021-01-22T05:29:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> what output
2021-01-22T05:30:09 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Recutsive error
2021-01-22T05:30:16 #kisslinux <AmeliaFloof> Its breaking itself
2021-01-22T05:30:21 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> wat
2021-01-22T08:56:52 #kisslinux <danteissaias> jedavies: i moved to clang now and i am using your build script but i can't figure something
2021-01-22T08:57:16 #kisslinux <danteissaias> when curl does ./configure it checks if link-time libraries are available are runtime
2021-01-22T08:57:22 #kisslinux <danteissaias> and it fails - error: one or more libs available at link-time are not available run-time. -lbearssl -lz
2021-01-22T08:57:48 #kisslinux <danteissaias> both the libbearssl.so and libz.so are available in ./rootfs/lib/
2021-01-22T10:51:30 #kisslinux <jedavies> danteissaias: do you have the extra LDFLAGS etc. that I have in my curl script?  https://github.com/glasnostlinux/glasnost/blob/master/core/curl/build
2021-01-22T11:11:18 #kisslinux <danteissaias> ah thanks jedavies, why can't programs just behave normally and pickup cflags and ldflags lol
2021-01-22T12:36:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> found out why I was using gnugrep
2021-01-22T12:36:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS depends on recursive grep to find reverse dependencies, it seems
2021-01-22T12:51:13 #kisslinux <aarng> I don't think kiss ever had a GNU grep dep
2021-01-22T12:51:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> not a hard one
2021-01-22T12:51:33 #kisslinux <aarng> dylan just added the option to use it because it's muchj faster
2021-01-22T12:51:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it freaks out if you use a grep that doesn't have some extension
2021-01-22T12:52:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm assuming it's recursive grepping, but it might be something else
2021-01-22T12:52:41 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, that could very well be
2021-01-22T12:53:02 #kisslinux <aarng> I don't see any recursive flags in man 1p grep
2021-01-22T12:55:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> it must be some quirk with the suckless grep then
2021-01-22T12:55:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it seems to have the needed flags
2021-01-22T12:55:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> -lFx
2021-01-22T12:59:51 #kisslinux <aarng> just had a look: kiss does not use any non-standard flags
2021-01-22T13:00:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, hence "must be some quirk"
2021-01-22T13:00:26 #kisslinux <aarng> the sbase grep was printing some weird stuff, or what was it?
2021-01-22T13:00:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I dunno, I didn't look into it much
2021-01-22T13:00:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> But KISS failed to properly check for recursive deps with it
2021-01-22T13:01:25 #kisslinux <aarng> didn't you post some output it was giving the other day?
2021-01-22T13:01:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, I don't believe so
2021-01-22T13:02:10 #kisslinux <aarng> weird, I remember seeing something related to an issue like that :D
2021-01-22T13:10:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> gah, this xmh error is driving me nuts
2021-01-22T13:10:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> troubleshooting ancient software is a pain
2021-01-22T13:26:05 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi
2021-01-22T13:26:57 #kisslinux <tracer> Is anybody here using KDE with KISS?
2021-01-22T13:32:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-kde
2021-01-22T13:33:32 #kisslinux <tracer> I know that repo, but it is missing qt5-declarative. I'd need the content of the build and source files.
2021-01-22T13:33:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah ok, my apologies
2021-01-22T13:34:39 #kisslinux <tracer> Do you have a copy with qt5-declarative included? I spent hourd googling for alternatives.
2021-01-22T13:35:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> something something qt bad
2021-01-22T13:35:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> thanks for coming to my ted talk
2021-01-22T13:38:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> qt5-declarative is mentioned here: https://k1ss.org/wiki/desktops/kde does that help?
2021-01-22T13:40:00 #kisslinux <tracer> Unfortunaly not. They mention a prebuild version. I guess it won't work with my system. I made a fork with systemd and glibc.
2021-01-22T13:43:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @dilyn is in here, they might be able to provide further information on how those prebuilt packages were done
2021-01-22T13:47:29 #kisslinux <tracer> I just checked the precompiled tarball, there it's listed under 7var7db/kiss/installed. But the tar contains no copy of the repo :-(
2021-01-22T13:52:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt5-declarative is in @/kisslinux/community
2021-01-22T13:55:05 #kisslinux <tracer> Ahh, thx. I can't believe that it didn't find it via google. I had that on my disk, but than broke something and reverted to a further snapshop. Thank you very much.
2021-01-22T13:56:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> you're welcome :)
2021-01-22T13:56:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only reason qt5 is in KISS-kde and not qt5-declarative is because we modify the qt5 build slightly from the community version
2021-01-22T13:58:16 #kisslinux <tracer> What are the differences? I use systemd. Try to mix KISS. and BLFS to get a DE fitting my individuals need, especially not GTK :-)
2021-01-22T13:59:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> use xaw
2021-01-22T13:59:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> it links against dbus and keeps accessibility support (some kde stuff refused to build without it? idk)
2021-01-22T14:01:28 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, thanks. Then I'll stay with your version, as I also have dbus on my system.
2021-01-22T14:03:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're both my version! :v
2021-01-22T14:03:20 #kisslinux <tracer> :-)
2021-01-22T14:03:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> but yeah if we tried to use community's qt5 things would never work xD
2021-01-22T14:05:19 #kisslinux <tracer> Did you mange to get qt-tools build with libudev support? pkg-config finds it, but make break with an error that libudev is not defined, I just built without.
2021-01-22T14:08:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm, i've never noticed this!
2021-01-22T14:08:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll add it to the list of things haha
2021-01-22T14:09:02 #kisslinux <tracer> ok :-)
2021-01-22T14:30:56 #kisslinux <tracer> Big package, took nearly 30 Minutes :-)
2021-01-22T14:35:44 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, next Problem. I'm missing Qt5LinguistTools in qt5-tools, the manifest from you tarball has it, mine not :-(
2021-01-22T15:32:09 #kisslinux <claudia3> hello!
2021-01-22T15:32:36 #kisslinux <claudia3> I take a break from KISS and therefore will orphan my packages
2021-01-22T15:32:57 #kisslinux <claudia3> most noteable webkit2gtk
2021-01-22T15:33:06 #kisslinux <claudia3> https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/1711
2021-01-22T15:35:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> claudia no! why!!! :'(
2021-01-22T15:35:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> tracer: hm. I feel like i've had this problem before. What are you building that needs linguistictools? might job my memory...
2021-01-22T15:36:32 #kisslinux <claudia3> dilyn: Ive got somewhat lazy and without our bdfl in the first place is does not feel the same for me anymore :(
2021-01-22T15:37:03 #kisslinux <claudia3> Ive got boring and installed obsd for now. I need something with less maintenance atm.
2021-01-22T15:38:28 #kisslinux <acheam> claudia3: sad to hear, but thanks for all the help that you've given
2021-01-22T15:39:03 #kisslinux <claudia3> I wish you all the best, and I am curious that you keep this distro up and running.
2021-01-22T15:39:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> :'( thank you claudia for all the work you've put in
2021-01-22T15:41:07 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: I wanted to build sdd. But currently i broke my qt5-plus again :-( Oh, wait different problem, my KISS_TMPDIT is on a RAM disk which got filled up, I'm under parallels which allows only 8 GB of RAM. I guess I'll drop Parallel and give VMWare another try as the player is now free. Just need to clone my system.
2021-01-22T15:41:17 #kisslinux <jedavies> Hope you come back at some point claudia3!
2021-01-22T15:43:33 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> :(
2021-01-22T15:45:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> claudia: well you can always come back :v
2021-01-22T15:45:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> hope obsd treats you swell!
2021-01-22T15:47:17 #kisslinux <acheam> claudia3: why did you choose obsd?
2021-01-22T15:51:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i can't speak for them, but i was looking at starting to play around with it because it is stable and has everything I use day to day
2021-01-22T15:54:46 #kisslinux <claudia3> Thanks for all the flowers, I try to stay informed (:
2021-01-22T15:56:11 #kisslinux <tracer> Hallo claudia3 and what do you mean by "without bdfl“? Did he leave the project?
2021-01-22T15:56:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> he's MIA
2021-01-22T15:56:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> has been since september/october-ish
2021-01-22T15:56:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no commits to git or k1ss.org recently either
2021-01-22T15:57:19 #kisslinux <claudia3> acheam: I like special things. Obsd offers me a somewhat minimal rolling os experience. I need a browser and 3-4 minimal cli apps.
2021-01-22T15:57:22 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, I didn't notive. Had other toy besides KISS, but now I'm again trying to build a Linux without GTK.
2021-01-22T15:57:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you can do so easily
2021-01-22T15:57:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it won't be a fun experience
2021-01-22T15:58:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> imho qt is awful
2021-01-22T15:58:17 #kisslinux <claudia3> I am also curious about netbsd but configuring pkgsrc and especially pkgsrc current would probably defeat the less involved point
2021-01-22T15:58:43 #kisslinux <tracer> I like Qt, and I strongly dislike GTK/GNOME. But it's just a fun thing, main main OS is macOS.
2021-01-22T15:58:54 #kisslinux <claudia3> Btw, kiss still lives on my system to manage small apps :D
2021-01-22T15:59:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> tbf GTK3 and beyond is awful
2021-01-22T15:59:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and so is GNOME
2021-01-22T15:59:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm praying that STLWRT takes off
2021-01-22T15:59:57 #kisslinux <tracer> And as GTK3 is so beautiful LXDE dropped GTK2 in favour of QT :)
2021-01-22T16:00:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and promptly became blech
2021-01-22T16:00:41 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i only have GTK3 for my browser, like most people here probably
2021-01-22T16:01:07 #kisslinux <tracer> I've never tried it. I'm on KDE since 0.6.7 way before GNOME even existed.
2021-01-22T16:03:51 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Qt and python are the two things I've most had dependency troubles with on Gentoo. I don't particularly like either.
2021-01-22T16:04:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> honestly I wish seamonkey still supported GTK2 and ALSA
2021-01-22T16:04:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it doesn't
2021-01-22T16:04:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so pale meme it is
2021-01-22T16:04:29 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm not a great fan of Python, too.
2021-01-22T16:04:43 #kisslinux <tracer> GTK2 is out of support, one shouldn't use it anymore.
2021-01-22T16:05:13 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> how far behind is palemoon on ff updates?
2021-01-22T16:05:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Xaw has been out of support for thirty years and it makes up a majority of my workflow so meh
2021-01-22T16:05:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and pale meme stays reasonably up to date
2021-01-22T16:05:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the reddit take that it's "oh my god so insecure no sandboxing!1!!!1!1!" is BS
2021-01-22T16:05:58 #kisslinux <tracer> Xaw? wow, that's really old :-)
2021-01-22T16:06:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i love python, i don't use a lot of third-party packages for it though
2021-01-22T16:09:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i avoid python like the plague
2021-01-22T16:09:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> never had a good experience with it
2021-01-22T16:11:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> its the first thing i reach for if a fairly basic shell script doesn't get the job done
2021-01-22T16:11:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've been trying to learn scheme to fill that purpose
2021-01-22T16:11:35 #kisslinux <tracer> I use PHP for shel script sometimes ^^
2021-01-22T16:11:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my job is Python so I'm also probably biased here
2021-01-22T16:11:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's fair
2021-01-22T16:11:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> no perl fanatics?
2021-01-22T16:11:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> idk I'm just autistic about how python can be so inefficient at times
2021-01-22T16:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i drew a pair of buttons using tkinter once, and all they did was drop to a shell and execute a line of script when clicked
2021-01-22T16:12:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> 120mb of RAM
2021-01-22T16:12:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it was at that moment in time I swore to never touch python again
2021-01-22T16:13:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oof yeah i can see how that would put you off
2021-01-22T16:13:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and it's not like my machines are low on RAM either
2021-01-22T16:13:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's just like
2021-01-22T16:13:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> on principle
2021-01-22T16:13:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I can't stand it
2021-01-22T16:14:05 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> 🅱️loat
2021-01-22T16:14:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> this but unironically
2021-01-22T16:14:16 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I tried some simple python things on a raspberry pi, was so slow.. Horrible.
2021-01-22T16:14:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> python is great if I want to bang out a five line one-off script
2021-01-22T16:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anything else, no
2021-01-22T16:15:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was looking at learning nim actually
2021-01-22T16:15:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Nim?
2021-01-22T16:15:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://nim-lang.org
2021-01-22T16:16:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> smells like C
2021-01-22T16:16:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i like the cover of their book
2021-01-22T16:16:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah, format is like python though so i thought it might be a neat stepping-stone
2021-01-22T16:16:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just jump in
2021-01-22T16:16:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it compiles to C as well
2021-01-22T16:18:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was looking at Common Lisp as well
2021-01-22T16:18:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's neat
2021-01-22T16:28:13 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> what do y'all think of golang
2021-01-22T16:28:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's google
2021-01-22T16:28:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> end of discussion
2021-01-22T16:32:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i didn't mind learning some of it.  haven't used it hardly at all.  preferred it to rust though
2021-01-22T16:34:36 #kisslinux <tracer> I like Swift :)
2021-01-22T16:48:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> have any of you gotten the Rox stuff to run on KISS?
2021-01-22T16:48:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> LD flips out on my setup when compiling
2021-01-22T17:01:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> https://github.com/jcs/progman
2021-01-22T17:01:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> win3.1-style WM for X
2021-01-22T17:02:00 #kisslinux <tracer> I you like those oldschool stuff, take CDE, I used to work with it on SUNs.
2021-01-22T17:02:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I've tried using CDE
2021-01-22T17:02:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's cool but the lack of Xft support is crippling
2021-01-22T17:02:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> NsCDE is better
2021-01-22T17:03:12 #kisslinux <tracer> I'll stay with KDE, but it's to play around with older stuff.
2021-01-22T17:03:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I find modern stuff is way too slow and not much better in terms of general use than older stuff
2021-01-22T17:04:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but I also wasn't around in the 80s and 90s so I don't have as much experience, I guess
2021-01-22T17:04:04 #kisslinux <tracer> When it'sslow the Hardware is creepy
2021-01-22T17:04:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> most hardware is both creepy and crappy
2021-01-22T17:04:41 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm quite comfortable with my i7.
2021-01-22T17:05:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i've got a 2005 thinkpad t43 that i was gonna put obsd on
2021-01-22T17:06:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> only BSD I've used on my own hardware was dBSD
2021-01-22T17:07:02 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm working on a 2020 iMac :-)
2021-01-22T17:07:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i have freebsd on a 2010ish macbook pro, it works fine
2021-01-22T17:07:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'd probably still be using BSD if it worked with my mouse
2021-01-22T17:07:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it doesn't seem to
2021-01-22T17:07:52 #kisslinux <tracer> I use freeBSD as my firewall, with pfSense. And used to have FreeNAS around, but changed that to a pure Debian NAS.
2021-01-22T17:07:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I'm not switching from my kensington 64215
2021-01-22T17:07:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that's a shame, do you have a fancy mouse?
2021-01-22T17:08:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's quite the opposite of fancy :P
2021-01-22T17:08:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but as far as trackballs go, it's definitive
2021-01-22T17:08:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ahh you're a trackballer
2021-01-22T17:08:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm surprised it doesn't work with BSDs
2021-01-22T17:09:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> simple internals make it easy to fix and modify them, serial and PS/2 mean I can use them with pretty much any device, and the design is ambidextrous
2021-01-22T17:09:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so even though I'm right-handed I can use my mouse left-handed
2021-01-22T17:09:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> as a result I can align my torso with my keyboard and monitors, and it's super /comfy/
2021-01-22T17:09:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QOIAAOSw5AZfHgud/s-l300.jpg
2021-01-22T17:11:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm too lazy and poor to get an actual "battlestation" set up... my mouse and keyboard are the shitty ones that came with the refurbished desktop
2021-01-22T17:11:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's fair
2021-01-22T17:11:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've spent years scraping together my setup
2021-01-22T17:12:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's a weird mix of homebrew, ancient, and cutting-edge tech
2021-01-22T17:12:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> retrotech lol
2021-01-22T17:12:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if wrt54gs counts as retro :P
2021-01-22T17:13:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> although recently I upgraded to a wrt1900acs
2021-01-22T17:13:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep, i had that same router until about a year ago
2021-01-22T17:13:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I think of it the same way I do my trackball
2021-01-22T17:13:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it hasn't got any fancy features, but that's what makes it great
2021-01-22T17:14:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> simple, easy to fix and upgrade, and reliable
2021-01-22T17:14:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah i'll have to keep that one in mind
2021-01-22T17:14:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the one i got you have to download an app to configure
2021-01-22T17:14:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> absolutely proprietary
2021-01-22T17:15:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> its linksys too, i was really disappointed
2021-01-22T17:15:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> 60% off the price, i couldn't complain too much
2021-01-22T17:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i only buy stuff I can install openWRT on
2021-01-22T17:17:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ideally I'll build my own networking equipment in the future
2021-01-22T17:17:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my internet is so shit it doesn't really matter.  ADSL for the win
2021-01-22T17:18:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> we can swap if you want
2021-01-22T17:18:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you can have my overpriced gigabit fibre :P
2021-01-22T17:18:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> internally i run powerline networking stuff from Netgear (ethernet through the pwoer outlets)
2021-01-22T17:18:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> powerline is nifty
2021-01-22T17:19:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> gigabit... what a dream...  i have 1.5 mpbs down, 0.5 up
2021-01-22T17:19:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> honestly I'd take those speeds if it meant a corresponding drop in price
2021-01-22T17:19:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i pay 125$ a month before taxes or rental fees
2021-01-22T17:20:02 #kisslinux <tracer> I've git about 12 MBit DSL. But theres already a fiber in my home, I guess next week it will be finished, up to 1 GB is possible. Burt i'll start with 200MBit, fair enough after 12 MBit for a decade :-)
2021-01-22T17:20:44 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila1: What do you pay?
2021-01-22T17:20:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I think ours is $60 a month?
2021-01-22T17:20:54 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, forget … :-)
2021-01-22T17:20:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> >i pay 125$ a month before taxes or rental fees
2021-01-22T17:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's criminal around here
2021-01-22T17:21:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the lower speeds are practically the same price too
2021-01-22T17:21:32 #kisslinux <tracer> <I'll pay 49€ for 200/100 with static IPv4 and a static /56.
2021-01-22T17:21:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> god, jealous
2021-01-22T17:21:44 #kisslinux <tracer> Where do you live?
2021-01-22T17:21:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if I wanted a static IP it would be 200$ a month
2021-01-22T17:21:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> . _.
2021-01-22T17:21:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I live in Canada
2021-01-22T17:22:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> our telecomms situation is awful
2021-01-22T17:22:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> western PA, no options here
2021-01-22T17:22:08 #kisslinux <tracer> It's a businnes contract, it can get even cheaper.
2021-01-22T17:22:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ngl I've been considering getting a business line
2021-01-22T17:22:40 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm in Germany, have static IP since ever, even with DSL.
2021-01-22T17:22:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because it's the same price, just with a longer term
2021-01-22T17:23:29 #kisslinux <tracer> When I switch next week the term is not relevant anymore, I'm bound to the fibre provider.
2021-01-22T17:23:35 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> @freenode_tracer:matrix.org https://github.com/fanboimsft/kissD is this your repo?
2021-01-22T17:24:29 #kisslinux <tracer> @testuser[m]_ no. I don't publish on GitHub, when I'm finished I'll open my repo, but I host it myself.
2021-01-22T17:25:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, time to go pay my monthly ransom to Bell
2021-01-22T17:36:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> western PA repreSENT
2021-01-22T17:37:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> I pay $38/mo for 200/10mbps. the *only* provider available for the BUILDING i live in is comcast. so much for choice
2021-01-22T17:37:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :v
2021-01-22T17:37:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm in a similar situation
2021-01-22T17:37:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> only Bell offers telecomms for my apartment
2021-01-22T17:37:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but Rogers, our other ISP, is basically a clone of Bell
2021-01-22T17:37:52 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: but that sounds reasonable
2021-01-22T17:37:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I called up comcast and was like "what deal can you offer me that's better than say AT&T" and they said "well you'd have a hard time getting AT&T service to your unit..."
2021-01-22T17:38:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a fantastic deal!
2021-01-22T17:38:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's the best internet i've ever had
2021-01-22T17:38:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> when the alternative is no service any deal is better than no deal
2021-01-22T17:38:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just silly that they're my only choice
2021-01-22T17:38:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> I went six months at my last apartment with no internet because I worked at a coffee shop so I just hung out there all the time
2021-01-22T17:38:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've been considering doing that
2021-01-22T17:38:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but my city just went back into lockdown
2021-01-22T17:39:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so
2021-01-22T17:39:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-01-22T17:39:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> meh, it's that or I have to actually show up for college classes
2021-01-22T17:39:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I really really want to send my internet bill to my company because I've been working from home for 10 months lol
2021-01-22T17:39:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> "I only have this for u, pay it pls"
2021-01-22T17:39:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i would have done so the first month in
2021-01-22T17:39:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah
2021-01-22T17:40:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> shit, make them pay for a second, seperate line :P
2021-01-22T17:40:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> omg
2021-01-22T17:40:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> "I need gigabit for this job"
2021-01-22T17:40:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "I want to seperate my personal and professional network usage."
2021-01-22T17:40:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> "but dilyn we recommend at least 25mbps for low latency gigabit should be unecessary" " I AM TECH EXPERT GIVE ME GIGABIT"
2021-01-22T17:41:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> I can't complain too much, they gave me a cute little laptop to work on so I could ditch my arch chroot and stop using citrix
2021-01-22T17:43:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my work gave me a cellular hotspot
2021-01-22T17:43:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> funny thing is the cell service here, even though it is 4G, is the same speed as my DSL connection
2021-01-22T17:43:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> something something latency
2021-01-22T17:43:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> speaking of
2021-01-22T17:43:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i have centurylink, the other option is armstrong.  neither of them will do anything but dsl for me
2021-01-22T17:43:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> i wonder how good 5G is in the burgh
2021-01-22T17:44:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> five geez makes corona five times as fast
2021-01-22T17:44:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> are providers still spoofing 5G by just putting the icon in the status bar even if it's 4G? lmfao
2021-01-22T17:44:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> if 5G causes corona i'll hop right on that train
2021-01-22T17:44:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> I hope it kills me
2021-01-22T17:44:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wow mood
2021-01-22T17:44:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> My aesthetic is just moods
2021-01-22T17:45:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if my college didn't want me to sit in a video call for four hours a day I could get by using just my cellphone data plan
2021-01-22T17:45:51 #kisslinux <tracer> In the mid 90ies I had a 64k leased line from a job :-)
2021-01-22T17:45:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> super low speeds (128kbps max), but it's unlimited bandwidth
2021-01-22T17:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> waow, 64k?
2021-01-22T17:46:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my house is brick and in a valley so i get bad cell reception except for one window
2021-01-22T17:46:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-01-22T17:46:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> how many GIFs can you download with that bad boy?
2021-01-22T17:46:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> one every two days i reckon
2021-01-22T17:46:33 #kisslinux <tracer> It was in fact 1 ISDN line with static connection.
2021-01-22T17:46:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "Put it on the main screen!" five days later...
2021-01-22T17:47:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my laptop's 2.4ghz radio tends to hover around dialup speeds
2021-01-22T17:47:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no idea why
2021-01-22T17:48:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you have any usb3.0 stuff attached or running
2021-01-22T17:48:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> fun fact: usb3.0 interferes with wifi
2021-01-22T17:48:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nope, I don't
2021-01-22T17:48:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> are usb devices like microwaves for radios
2021-01-22T17:48:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep!
2021-01-22T17:48:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-01-22T17:48:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> reject usb
2021-01-22T17:49:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> retvrn to serial
2021-01-22T17:49:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> give me true wireless
2021-01-22T17:49:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> irda
2021-01-22T17:49:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> i interface with my laptop's mouse via thoughts
2021-01-22T17:49:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's so much noise coming off them that it interferes.  and no one does proper shielding so you're shit outta luck if there's a bad orientation
2021-01-22T17:49:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> can't irda outpace bluetooth under ideal conditions or something
2021-01-22T17:50:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> i wouldn't be surprised if the distance is short enough
2021-01-22T17:50:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> holy shit
2021-01-22T17:50:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> irda smokes bluetooth
2021-01-22T17:50:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-01-22T17:50:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> seriously
2021-01-22T17:50:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> bt5 has a maximum data rate of 2mbps according to national semiconductor
2021-01-22T17:50:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> irda has a max rate of 4
2021-01-22T17:50:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wild
2021-01-22T17:51:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> unless nsc is japing me
2021-01-22T17:51:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBmLDn15SNI there's LiFi too
2021-01-22T17:51:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> https://www.semiconductorstore.com/blog/2018/Bluetooth-1-0-vs-2-0-vs-3-0-vs-4-0-vs-5-0-How-They-Differ-Symmetry-Blog/3147
2021-01-22T17:52:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2 mbps?! that's outrageously garbage
2021-01-22T17:52:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> semiconductorstore, not nsc, not sure why it showed up as nsc on my browser
2021-01-22T17:52:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but if true that's hilarious
2021-01-22T17:52:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and also explains why bluetooth still can't synchronously receive and transmit high quality qudio
2021-01-22T17:52:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/qudio/audio/
2021-01-22T17:52:38 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> and also explains why bluetooth still can't synchronously receive and transmit high quality audio
2021-01-22T17:52:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> cries in flac
2021-01-22T17:52:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i just use ogg
2021-01-22T17:53:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's a nice middleground between flac and mp3 while also being free of patents and licenses and shit
2021-01-22T17:53:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> plus it's smaller than both
2021-01-22T17:53:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> cba to reconvert my whole library lmao
2021-01-22T17:53:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hows opus compare?
2021-01-22T17:54:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> p sure opus is just ogg 2.0
2021-01-22T17:54:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is vorbis 1.0?  i never understood all the different formats
2021-01-22T17:54:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or, no, wait
2021-01-22T17:54:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ogg contains opus
2021-01-22T17:54:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> multimedia formats are confusing
2021-01-22T17:54:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://purelifi.com/
2021-01-22T17:55:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ah yes
2021-01-22T17:55:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> let me insert a router in my lightbulb
2021-01-22T17:55:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> how could this go wrong or be abused
2021-01-22T17:55:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-01-22T17:55:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> IoT will ruin the world
2021-01-22T17:56:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> "We put a computer inside a crockpot!"
2021-01-22T17:56:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> why?
2021-01-22T17:56:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> "Because!"
2021-01-22T17:56:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-01-22T17:56:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> now if only aplay could play back audio other than WAV
2021-01-22T17:57:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> aw i thought it was awesome, it's not a router just the transceiver portions
2021-01-22T17:57:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> okay but think about how that could be used in surveillance applications
2021-01-22T17:57:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's already bad enough with bluetooth
2021-01-22T17:57:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and gps and shit
2021-01-22T17:58:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine bitching about the police state/orwellian surveillance and facebook
2021-01-22T17:58:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then putting six alexas in your house
2021-01-22T17:58:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> "We can have internet in our lightbulbs! ignore the microphone"
2021-01-22T17:58:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> imagine thinking I have smart speakers
2021-01-22T17:58:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> smh
2021-01-22T17:59:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's literally my parents
2021-01-22T17:59:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> "Obama was tracking us the whole time! Alexa, start a timer"
2021-01-22T17:59:45 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> bruh
2021-01-22T18:01:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i wonder if they have a translation tool for like... speaking in pig latin
2021-01-22T18:03:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> >oboomer
2021-01-22T18:03:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> cringe
2021-01-22T18:03:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> tell your parents someone on the internet said they're cringe
2021-01-22T18:03:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's important they know
2021-01-22T18:03:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there was a tool i saw the other day that allows encrypted comms over Facebook Messenger.  Which is a neat idea until you consider that the user is still typing into a machine that has Facebook up and running
2021-01-22T18:04:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> use pgp with email
2021-01-22T18:04:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> as it should be
2021-01-22T18:05:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> god if only
2021-01-22T18:05:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I want to switch to using Delta
2021-01-22T18:05:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i get emailed password protected attachments constantly and they just go 'password to follow in another email' and send it two seconds later
2021-01-22T18:05:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> uses POP3/SMTP and IMAP for IMs
2021-01-22T18:05:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> like bruh just give me two hours and we will be using pgp the way god intended
2021-01-22T18:06:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/god/RMS/
2021-01-22T18:06:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ftfy
2021-01-22T18:06:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/god/RMS
2021-01-22T18:06:34 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> like bruh just give me two hours and we will be using pgp the way RMS intended
2021-01-22T18:06:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> ty
2021-01-22T18:07:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> got u bb
2021-01-22T18:08:11 #kisslinux <tracer> I'll go downstairs, check back tomorrow to get further with my Linux, cu.
2021-01-22T18:10:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fuck, I have done absolutely nothing today
2021-01-22T18:10:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> except watch a loop of the neon genesis opening
2021-01-22T18:19:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's something
2021-01-22T18:20:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> huzzah
2021-01-22T18:20:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> turns out that I don't need to enclose an xft font specification in FVWM within double quotes
2021-01-22T18:20:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> this makes me life so much easier
2021-01-22T18:20:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/me/my/
2021-01-22T18:20:25 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> this makes my life so much easier
2021-01-22T18:20:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> holy shit I need to take my medz today or sommething
2021-01-22T18:22:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-01-22T18:22:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> come troubleshoot my bugs for me
2021-01-22T18:22:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nopls
2021-01-22T18:23:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> yespls
2021-01-22T18:23:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no way
2021-01-22T18:23:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fix your own bugs nerd
2021-01-22T18:25:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-01-22T18:25:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=qhQDX21YCZ0
2021-01-22T18:34:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> what
2021-01-22T18:34:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> is
2021-01-22T18:34:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> this
2021-01-22T18:34:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> beauty
2021-01-22T18:34:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> is this what happens when mickey enters public domain
2021-01-22T18:35:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> god I hope so
2021-01-22T18:35:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it should be illegal for you to do thsi to people
2021-01-22T18:35:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> why can't i stop watching
2021-01-22T18:35:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because it's unironically really well made
2021-01-22T18:45:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay i thought that was the real mcconaughey
2021-01-22T18:45:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> I was incredibly nervous
2021-01-22T18:46:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :p
2021-01-22T19:41:48 #kisslinux <nerditup> I've been away for a while, is Dylan back?
2021-01-22T19:41:53 #kisslinux <nerditup> hello everyone
2021-01-22T19:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> mister BDFL hasn't returned yet
2021-01-22T19:42:09 #kisslinux <nerditup> dang
2021-01-22T19:42:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeh
2021-01-22T19:42:44 #kisslinux <nerditup> I've been exploring FreeBSD (setup a ZFS NAS server) and I miss the minimal dependencies that we get with kiss
2021-01-22T19:42:50 #kisslinux <nerditup> everything requires perl!
2021-01-22T19:43:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> at least not everything requires python
2021-01-22T19:43:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :P
2021-01-22T19:43:37 #kisslinux <nerditup> I think I have a problem, I've started learning how to develop their ports so I can remove some dependencies for myself...
2021-01-22T19:44:20 #kisslinux <jedavies> nerditup: used ZFS on KISS previously: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-zfs
2021-01-22T19:44:49 #kisslinux <jedavies> Haven't used it in a while though.
2021-01-22T23:13:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ugh, the absolute state of web browsers
2021-01-22T23:45:34 #kisslinux <acheam> just use Gemini as much as possible
2021-01-22T23:45:38 #kisslinux <acheam> and text based sites
2021-01-22T23:46:12 #kisslinux <acheam> from my disdain of web browsers, I've started just using the internet less
2021-01-22T23:50:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'd like to do that but Gemini doesn't include a lot of the info I'm after :|