2020-05-20T02:22:02 #kisslinux dylan02: do you know if "printf '%dn' 0x3d" is POSIX? (specifically the conversion using 0x for hex on the argument) 2020-05-20T02:42:13 #kisslinux it says that any C integer constant should work. so yeah, 0x3d is fine 2020-05-20T02:45:01 #kisslinux Is there any way to speed up "Checking for package conflicts"? 2020-05-20T03:07:38 #kisslinux try to install gnu grep 2020-05-20T03:12:55 #kisslinux Successfully launched KDE 2020-05-20T03:16:21 #kisslinux illiliti: I'll give that a shot, thanks 2020-05-20T03:16:37 #kisslinux dilynm: wow, that's impressive! Took a good long while :D 2020-05-20T03:16:49 #kisslinux Yeah 2020-05-20T03:16:53 #kisslinux It looks really pretty 2020-05-20T03:16:57 #kisslinux Doesn't do much though 2020-05-20T03:16:59 #kisslinux Lmao 2020-05-20T03:17:20 #kisslinux All the panels are empty, no widgets are available, can't launch any applications 2020-05-20T03:17:25 #kisslinux lol 2020-05-20T03:17:30 #kisslinux And when I kill the server, I get an endless stream of errors 2020-05-20T03:17:36 #kisslinux BUT. It launches 2020-05-20T03:17:43 #kisslinux You'll have to add in your widgets by hand, I assume. 2020-05-20T03:18:19 #kisslinux But good work. Took quite a while huh. 2020-05-20T03:19:31 #kisslinux I spent basically thursday-today only on this xD 2020-05-20T03:20:04 #kisslinux I'm trying to get adwaita-icon-theme to build but when I try I get a massive stream of "Can't load file: Unrecognized image file format" https://0x0.st/i9em.txt , any suggestions? I found https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7676000.html but even after building librsvg I still get the errors 2020-05-20T03:21:52 #kisslinux dilynm: Huh, really. I've been losing track of time then. Sitting at home -- every day is just another day. 2020-05-20T03:26:15 #kisslinux I mean I started probably a week and a half ago but I went wholesale at it these last few days 2020-05-20T03:29:23 #kisslinux Hmm. /usr/lib/qt/platforms/libqxcb.so links to a bunch of things. But the path seems very wrong xD 2020-05-20T03:30:23 #kisslinux libX11.so => /usr/lib/qt/plugins/platforms/../../..//libX11.so.6 2020-05-20T06:43:49 #kisslinux thvle: KISS_TMPDIR=/path/to/tmpfs 2020-05-20T07:35:59 #kisslinux E5ten: nice, thanks 2020-05-20T11:05:25 #kisslinux hello frens. I want to make a fork of sowm for fun and glory. but i cannot get my xephyr setup working properly. i use i3 and arch, i guess this is a long shot, but whatever, thought maybe someone here have a sweet sowm dev setup and some helps. 2020-05-20T11:06:19 #kisslinux problem i am having (same issues with other wms i have tested, basic_wm, 2bwm) is hotkeys doesn't work, alt clicking dragging windows to move resize doesn't work. 2020-05-20T11:06:59 #kisslinux when i execute xev in a terminal running in the sessions, Mod1 and Mod4 seems to work fine, but no window manager actions can be executed. 2020-05-20T11:07:30 #kisslinux tried to start the session with and without xinit, starting the programs before and after the wm etc.. 2020-05-20T11:33:26 #kisslinux budRich: Hm. This is probably due to sowm being so basic. There's probably a lot it's not doing (that is required for things like this to work). 2020-05-20T11:34:03 #kisslinux You're better off using something which tries to support as much of EWMH/ICCCM/etc as possible. 2020-05-20T11:36:06 #kisslinux dylan03: ok, yeah, i actually just got hotkyes working now in 2bwm inside xephyr (but that wm doesn't display any mouse cursor now). but reason i wanted sowm is just that, that it is so smol and basic, i want to build my own, and wanted smallest possible base to build from. 2020-05-20T11:39:34 #kisslinux but maybe 2bwm or mcwm are good to "platforms" as well. Actually i would like i3 but without all the craps, so i thought i would try to make a fork out of i3 and "just" remove everything i don't want. but it feels like it will be quicker to build something from scratch instead. 2020-05-20T11:40:35 #kisslinux budRich: Yeah. If you're willing (and motivated) to use it as a base, that's the best solution. I always say that it's easier to add to something small than to remove from something big. 2020-05-20T11:41:25 #kisslinux You'll have good luck with other smaller window managers, yeah. Probably better luck than with sowm as there's no EWMH/ICCCM/whatever support. 2020-05-20T11:41:41 #kisslinux how has your setup looked like when working on sowm? VM or separate machine? 2020-05-20T11:47:05 #kisslinux o/ 2020-05-20T11:47:20 #kisslinux is this the budrich with the youtube chanel? 2020-05-20T11:47:28 #kisslinux :D 2020-05-20T11:47:52 #kisslinux dylan03: I have made a screenshot I would like to include to the website 2020-05-20T11:47:54 #kisslinux https://ibb.co/MNt2ppn 2020-05-20T11:48:25 #kisslinux I finally fixed grub, created a snapshot, and restored it. only to find out i created a snapshot for my other vps 2020-05-20T11:48:33 #kisslinux now I can reinstall kiss all again lol 2020-05-20T11:48:48 #kisslinux claudia02: this is the budRich, thank you for watching and have a nice day! ;D 2020-05-20T11:50:23 #kisslinux your welcome. nice to meet you (: 2020-05-20T11:51:45 #kisslinux budRich: This exact same machine. Endless 'make', 'pkill X', 'startx'. I like to do everything live with my machines (despite the obvious risks). 2020-05-20T11:52:29 #kisslinux claudia02: Will do so now. Thanks! 2020-05-20T11:54:30 #kisslinux thaks2 2020-05-20T11:54:41 #kisslinux *thanks2 2020-05-20T11:56:11 #kisslinux Do you have an existing scrot on the website? I can't remember. :P 2020-05-20T11:56:50 #kisslinux nono 2020-05-20T11:57:10 #kisslinux dylan03: name would be claudia and you can link my repos (sdsddsd1) 2020-05-20T11:57:16 #kisslinux Was about to ask. 2020-05-20T11:57:17 #kisslinux :P 2020-05-20T11:59:13 #kisslinux dylan03: that sounds like a crazy workflow! so you built sowm in sowm. I guess it is a good motivator to get it working at least. 2020-05-20T11:59:24 #kisslinux dylan03: the kiss install guide doesn't say (OPTIONAL) for eudev, for something like a server VPS, is it actually needed? 2020-05-20T12:00:58 #kisslinux onodera: It depends on various factors though I'd lean towards it being optional. Heck, remove it and see if everything continues to work. 2020-05-20T12:04:26 #kisslinux ill try :) 2020-05-20T12:05:20 #kisslinux The kernel nowadays will populate /dev/ by itself. A device manager is then typically used for setting permissions, etc on /dev/ as well as handling hotplug. 2020-05-20T12:06:08 #kisslinux Note: A 'modprobe amdgpu' _after_ boot with no device manager daemon will not correctly setup /dev/dri/card0. This is an example of hotplug. 2020-05-20T12:06:38 #kisslinux If the daemon is running, it'll catch the event and do its thing. 2020-05-20T12:07:23 #kisslinux For a server (especially something "virtual"), you're likely to never plug things in/out of it so hotplug isn't typically a requirement. 2020-05-20T12:08:33 #kisslinux Oh yeah. If you omit eudev from your system, the rc.boot script will call mdev during boot and set everything up for you. You can then optionally run the service to handle hotplug. 2020-05-20T12:09:06 #kisslinux eudev only really becomes a dependency when software needs libudev. 2020-05-20T12:09:16 #kisslinux I hope my ramblings make sense :-) 2020-05-20T12:11:39 #kisslinux budRich: Yeah... It was very painful. However, it forced me to focus on the WM until it got to a working state. It was "done" in 1-2 days iirc. 2020-05-20T12:12:08 #kisslinux :D 2020-05-20T12:12:42 #kisslinux claudia02: Done! 2020-05-20T12:13:41 #kisslinux budRich: xcb is the better option for a window manager though. I simply chose Xlib to learn Xlib. I want to write another window manager in xcb for the same reason (though with a different use-case to sowm). 2020-05-20T12:14:12 #kisslinux nice. 2020-05-20T12:14:39 #kisslinux I'm working on documentation for the init: https://k1ss.org/init 2020-05-20T12:15:23 #kisslinux There's nothing really there yet... will get it done by tonight some time. 2020-05-20T12:15:33 #kisslinux Any suggestions are welcome :P) 2020-05-20T12:15:43 #kisslinux I'll be online a little later. o/ 2020-05-20T12:16:57 #kisslinux was just about to ask about xcb, i think i will go that route as well. i am a C noob, and i cant really make any sense of the differences, but i know xlib is almost 40 years old, and the biggest drawback seems to be that it will be easy to get lost on strange obsolete practices when learning how to use it. 2020-05-20T13:09:47 #kisslinux budRich: you should check out abduco. it impliments the session management feature from tmux/screen which is very useful if you want to preserve the undo history from your editor between X sessions 2020-05-20T13:12:23 #kisslinux I've been making working on my own window manager fork as well and it's made the workflow much easier 2020-05-20T13:22:25 #kisslinux ectlunya: thanks, will have a look at that. this community is cool. 2020-05-20T13:24:56 #kisslinux looks really nice. but i have kind of a crazy workflow normally, binge opening URxvt clients from urxvtd, and i use sublime (which have built in session manager), so not sure it will fit for me. 2020-05-20T13:26:19 #kisslinux but it looks much cleaner then tmux, that i have never really understood how to include in a already tiled and tabbed layout. this i can see how it could be used. 2020-05-20T13:27:13 #kisslinux it works nicely with vim but if your editor already has session management it probably wont add much 2020-05-20T13:28:44 #kisslinux yeah, i have been on sublime for ages, before i even knew vim was a thing. I have thought about hopping, but the only motivation being that i get shamed now and then. 2020-05-20T13:30:12 #kisslinux i was using vintage (vi-bindings) in sublime for about 3 years, but recently disabled it. vim is vim sublime is sublime, or multiple cursors doesn't play nice with VIM's modes. need kakaoune or something for it to behave. 2020-05-20T13:32:51 #kisslinux saw a new editor last week, lite, it looked seemed really nice. kind of like awesome, core in C/C++ and rest is (extendible with) lua. somewhat similar to sublime, and with own superlightweight UI lib and linter plugins. 2020-05-20T13:32:55 #kisslinux i've been thinking of switching to something else but i can't find any good replacements 2020-05-20T13:33:12 #kisslinux has anyone gotten x11 forwarding to work? i’ve never actually used it before and have been trying to figure out the minimum configuration required. i know sshd_config needs changing: https://clbin.com/ofdkt 2020-05-20T13:33:19 #kisslinux i realized recently that 90% of vims features I never use 2020-05-20T13:34:09 #kisslinux i realized that i used 50% of Vims features by mistake all the time ;), you know pressing the wrong key in normal mode, or not realizing that you are in normal etc. 2020-05-20T13:35:42 #kisslinux drove me crazy. but i made a hack with XKB to map hjkl+ALT-GR to aroow keys, and some other stuff i got used to in my vim adventure. 2020-05-20T13:35:48 #kisslinux https://github.com/budRich/loadkb 2020-05-20T13:35:51 #kisslinux i'd like a text editor that works well with pipes/streams 2020-05-20T13:36:14 #kisslinux its unfortunate that sandy doesnt have anymore active development 2020-05-20T13:37:27 #kisslinux i just want the editor to be fast, have good project support and being able to display multiple fontsizes and styles (no tui here). 2020-05-20T13:38:10 #kisslinux i agree about no tui but not necessarily for multiple fonts 2020-05-20T13:38:16 #kisslinux other than vim i dont use any 2020-05-20T13:38:20 #kisslinux i just don't see the point 2020-05-20T13:38:56 #kisslinux reason for multiple fonts: big font in editor, small font in gui (file tree statusbar, tabs). 2020-05-20T13:39:47 #kisslinux seem like the worst of both worlds. you dont get any nice gui things like mouse support, fonts, etc. but you also don't get any nice command line features like pipes 2020-05-20T13:41:07 #kisslinux not following? sublime and everyone has mouse support? i got pipes in my shell thats good enough, don't need that in the editor. 2020-05-20T13:41:45 #kisslinux i have a script that get the directory of the currently open file in the editor and cd to it in a terminal. i think that is my most used script. 2020-05-20T13:41:47 #kisslinux i was refering to tui apps 2020-05-20T13:42:44 #kisslinux mouse support and fonts seems like whats *good* about a gui like sublime 2020-05-20T13:43:43 #kisslinux what I mean about pipes is that I think the editor should integrate well with existing tools 2020-05-20T13:43:58 #kisslinux ah. yes agree 1000% . i totaly see why people make programs like ranger and newsbloat, because they are fun projects, but they really are just toys for the developer, there where better gui alternatives even 1992. also most of them are far from as "lighteight" as people think. 2020-05-20T13:45:02 #kisslinux for example you migeven something like birch or fff which dylan wrote in bash are pretty cool but I dont think they give much of an advantage over doing things directly on the commandline 2020-05-20T13:45:04 #kisslinux ncdu and htop are programs i regularly use though, but there are probably better gui alternatives for them as well. 2020-05-20T13:45:42 #kisslinux guis are bloat :^) 2020-05-20T13:46:20 #kisslinux tuis are just fake guis 2020-05-20T13:46:48 #kisslinux eggsactly, gui emulation in a terminal emulator. who's bloated now? 2020-05-20T13:47:05 #kisslinux also I agree that guis are bloat but they don't have to be 2020-05-20T13:47:38 #kisslinux its unfortunate that all the gui programs on linux are massive programs that tend to depend on the hell holes that are gtk or kde 2020-05-20T13:48:02 #kisslinux https://github.com/rxi/microui <- this is the UIlib they use in lite (same dev) 2020-05-20T13:48:08 #kisslinux looks sweet 2020-05-20T13:48:26 #kisslinux https://github.com/rxi/lite 2020-05-20T13:48:31 #kisslinux I wish there was something between them.graphical program that works well with text interfaces 2020-05-20T13:49:24 #kisslinux microui looks pretty cool but I was thinking something more like plan9's acme 2020-05-20T13:51:39 #kisslinux yeah, its strange that that "branch" of UI hasn't gone anwhere outside Acme, it is like the third path. maybe Acme is like endgame and those who go there just get comfy. 2020-05-20T14:01:29 #kisslinux yup. there was some discussion on the suckless mailing lists several years ago about writing something but I don't think that went anywhere 2020-05-20T14:08:21 #kisslinux I mean if you are thinking TUIs are just ranger and newsboat, yeah sure it is bloat. But almost all of us depend on tuis for the simplest stuff such as text editing unless you are using ed or ex. You totally can use them, but it is really counter productive to do so. 2020-05-20T14:18:15 #kisslinux yup. its unfortunate that there are no good graphical editors for linux that can replace vim effectively 2020-05-20T14:24:43 #kisslinux Yeah, I have tried a lot of vi implementations 2020-05-20T14:25:28 #kisslinux If you don't mind not having syntax highlighting I prefer busybox's vi 2020-05-20T14:27:24 #kisslinux But I have tried neatvi and vis as well 2020-05-20T14:27:46 #kisslinux Neatvi has a really suckless approach for syntax highlighting 2020-05-20T14:28:19 #kisslinux It is configured through config.h and you basically define regexes for syntax 2020-05-20T14:32:16 #kisslinux vis optionally depends on lua-lpeg for syntax highlighting, but it can be built statically so it would just be a make dependency 2020-05-20T14:33:39 #kisslinux vis has some cool features. structural regexps especially 2020-05-20T14:37:55 #kisslinux Yeah, unless you depend on vim plugins too much, it is featureful enough to ditch vim 2020-05-20T14:44:09 #kisslinux busybox vi is borderline unusable 2020-05-20T14:45:09 #kisslinux it's undo can really mess up your file and it can't read/write to/from pipes 2020-05-20T14:46:02 #kisslinux nvi is the best imo, only problem is it needs quite a few patches 2020-05-20T14:48:30 #kisslinux it also locks files when you open them so you can't test your scripts directly, you always have to call the interpreter with the file as argument 2020-05-20T14:49:06 #kisslinux but besides those issues, it's the best vi experience if you don't need syntax highlighting 2020-05-20T14:50:26 #kisslinux I depend on syntax highlighting way too much 2020-05-20T14:50:41 #kisslinux But I use busybox vi when I am making simple changes 2020-05-20T14:50:43 #kisslinux does it actually help you? 2020-05-20T14:50:49 #kisslinux i find it somewhat distracting 2020-05-20T14:51:12 #kisslinux I actually feel the opposite 2020-05-20T14:51:16 #kisslinux I feel like good commenting can really help if you don't have syntax hl 2020-05-20T14:51:22 #kisslinux dylan02: thanks for adding getent! I was gonna submit a pull request if this all worked out 2020-05-20T14:52:16 #kisslinux I can concentrate better when syntax hl is on 2020-05-20T14:52:37 #kisslinux I do good comments, I think 2020-05-20T14:52:38 #kisslinux not about the comment content itself, but rather blocks of comments to have a visual separator 2020-05-20T14:52:42 #kisslinux i felt the same way, but a few years ago i turned it off and haven't looked back 2020-05-20T14:53:23 #kisslinux yeh, it's really nbd not having syntax 2020-05-20T14:53:50 #kisslinux it's problably good if you write languages you are not 100% familiar with 2020-05-20T14:57:17 #kisslinux i think text editor tui is stupid as well, maybe even the most stupid use of tui. there are lots of good gui text editors. lite, text-adept, sublime, gvim, emacs. and some descent IDE's there are Vim plugins for all editors if modal navigation is important (it isn't). 2020-05-20T14:58:00 #kisslinux i don't use syntax highlighting. or comments i have in a different color, but could live without it. 2020-05-20T14:58:16 #kisslinux micro emacs is the most hardcore editor, but its also tui so its stupid. 2020-05-20T14:58:41 #kisslinux i think you're right that youre write about text editor tuis but mostof those graphical editors are pretty bloated 2020-05-20T15:03:11 #kisslinux i don't believe in bloat. and sublime is not bloated imo. sure i comes with it's own UIlib and python version, but i think it all makes sense in the context. and own UI lib > GTK/Qt 2020-05-20T15:04:11 #kisslinux emacs, is ofc bloated, even in its most minimal configuration, but a pretty competent text editor, and way faster then electron stuff. 2020-05-20T15:05:05 #kisslinux lite felt blazing fast and light when i tried it, but just gave it like 10 minutes. text-adept i have also just barely tried, but i just liked it and watched a video where the dev presented it and he seemed like a nice guy. 2020-05-20T15:05:32 #kisslinux and gtk2 is ok. 2020-05-20T15:06:46 #kisslinux SciTE was my first text editor i really liked (AutoHotkey ca ~2007-10), and i think text adept is based around the same editor library, scientilla, but i might be completely wrong. 2020-05-20T15:07:08 #kisslinux gvim i just mentioned because it is funny. 2020-05-20T15:07:42 #kisslinux micro emacs, is Linus fork and is ofc completely free of bloat. 2020-05-20T15:10:31 #kisslinux I'll admit that "bloat" is kind of a stupid buzz word but for me its really about making tools that don't try to reimpliment things that already exist but work well with whats already there as one more piece of a portable/modular system 2020-05-20T15:12:22 #kisslinux just looking at lite for example, it seems like it has tabs, splits, a file tree, and more 2020-05-20T15:13:09 #kisslinux its not that these are unecessary, they're probably all very useful, but the tools to do these things already exist in forms that can be used for any program, not just this specific editor 2020-05-20T15:13:59 #kisslinux file management you can just do with the commandline, splits can be done with tiling window managers or tmux, tabs can be done with suckless tabbed 2020-05-20T15:15:16 #kisslinux wise words. well said. i3 can do all of those by the way. and i agree, i never use an applications built in window splitting, i use the window manager instead. 2020-05-20T15:15:43 #kisslinux but using suckless tabs, to replace browser/text editor tabs, nah. 2020-05-20T15:17:26 #kisslinux i have found this trick to rename the window class of the "main window" of an application, for instance "firefox", then i have one window rule for the firefox class (which will apply to all windows except the main one, dialogs and stuff), and one rule for the main window. this can be used to split and control all kinds of things. 2020-05-20T15:17:56 #kisslinux i use it for sublime, thunar and the browser. terminals often have this built in "urxvt -name .." 2020-05-20T15:23:17 #kisslinux sorry for spamming btw, i haven't really talked to anyone in a month. 2020-05-20T16:54:38 #kisslinux https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/a20ae0417f2d1e1a2c173f5eaf66a81974df0008 2020-05-20T16:54:39 #kisslinux lol 2020-05-20T17:02:54 #kisslinux merakor: boost from community fails to build without linux-headers 2020-05-20T17:11:28 #kisslinux "missing linux/futex.h" 2020-05-20T17:41:14 #kisslinux https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/ga7f56/why_dirs_and_directories_repositories_have_been/ 2020-05-20T17:41:18 #kisslinux Oh god... 2020-05-20T17:47:49 #kisslinux claudia: seems like a linux-headers issue to me 2020-05-20T17:48:13 #kisslinux I can't reproduce 2020-05-20T17:51:17 #kisslinux merakor: Y, I mean with that linux-headers should be in the depends file, no? 2020-05-20T17:52:59 #kisslinux Huh, I thought I added that recently, no? 2020-05-20T17:53:32 #kisslinux I will take a look at it in a few minutes, sorry about that. 2020-05-20T17:53:47 #kisslinux Theres no dependsfile. No problem! 2020-05-20T18:01:18 #kisslinux I've sent a PR now for that 2020-05-20T18:05:36 #kisslinux thx 2020-05-20T18:11:15 #kisslinux Oh by the way, the latest kernel release fixes the gcc 10 issue 2020-05-20T18:11:30 #kisslinux Including latest lts releases 2020-05-20T18:11:42 #kisslinux The patch is no longer needed 2020-05-20T18:50:54 #kisslinux dilynm: qt5 is missing linux-headers aswell 2020-05-20T18:51:51 #kisslinux "linux/fs.h missing" 2020-05-20T18:55:47 #kisslinux Will fix 2020-05-20T19:10:58 #kisslinux dilynm: With your libressl patched qt5 the otter browser might be possible. 2020-05-20T19:11:20 #kisslinux I have looked into that some time ago but failed because ssl support was missing 2020-05-20T19:13:09 #kisslinux Also: Did you hear about this https://github.com/LeFroid/Viper-Browser ? Its offering ublock adblock rules which sounds nice 2020-05-20T19:14:17 #kisslinux I like the look of that 2020-05-20T19:23:02 #kisslinux You have qt5 installed right claudia 2020-05-20T19:23:54 #kisslinux no working qt5-webengine. I try that atm with my special wayland build.. 2020-05-20T19:24:25 #kisslinux I can do tests tomorrow 2020-05-20T19:24:33 #kisslinux I just mean the base 2020-05-20T19:24:35 #kisslinux y 2020-05-20T19:25:13 #kisslinux I want to know what ldd says for some libraries in /usr/lib/qt/plugins/platforms/* 2020-05-20T19:25:17 #kisslinux k 2020-05-20T19:26:11 #kisslinux https://termbin.com/a74ea 2020-05-20T19:26:37 #kisslinux I have just the xcb libs installed from depends. 2020-05-20T19:26:57 #kisslinux Harumph 2020-05-20T19:27:24 #kisslinux Thanks 2020-05-20T19:27:42 #kisslinux y, maybe not the best platform for tests ;) 2020-05-20T19:30:06 #kisslinux I take what I can get xD 2020-05-20T19:30:24 #kisslinux Your output just means I'm probably barking up the wrong tree and need to look elsewhere for what the problem is 2020-05-20T20:05:48 #kisslinux e 2020-05-20T20:08:12 #kisslinux o/ 2020-05-20T20:31:38 #kisslinux dilynm: qt5-webengine also needs linux-headers: "linux/unistd.h missing" 2020-05-20T20:37:32 #kisslinux dylan02: through the new website layout I am much more relaxed reading through the articles. Its maybe something about to have the control of navigation all the time :D 2020-05-20T20:53:47 #kisslinux same 2020-05-20T21:30:04 #kisslinux why does `kiss owns /usr/bin/intltool` not run? 2020-05-20T21:30:11 #kisslinux It just returns "usage: kiss-owns [/path/to/file]" 2020-05-20T21:35:29 #kisslinux where should I start to learn xlib and window managers 2020-05-20T21:39:21 #kisslinux https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/ 2020-05-20T21:39:30 #kisslinux https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib-tutorial/ 2020-05-20T21:39:41 #kisslinux both of these are helpful 2020-05-20T21:41:35 #kisslinux there are also man pages for all of the xlib functions and types but those aren't organized in a way that you could start reading at a certain point as far as I can tell 2020-05-20T21:44:11 #kisslinux there are other formats and more docs here https://www.x.org/wiki/ProgrammingDocumentation/ 2020-05-20T21:48:22 #kisslinux why does everything have *so many* dependencies 2020-05-20T22:04:10 #kisslinux what are you looking for himmalerin? 2020-05-20T22:05:03 #kisslinux I'm trying to get inkscape to build, which depends on a package called gdl, which depends on intltool, which depends on a perl module 2020-05-20T22:05:39 #kisslinux I can only assume it's a similar story for it's other dependencies 2020-05-20T22:07:38 #kisslinux oh and the perl module depends on something which then depends on glibc 2020-05-20T22:09:18 #kisslinux we have flatpak 2020-05-20T22:09:20 #kisslinux https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.inkscape.Inkscape 2020-05-20T22:09:21 #kisslinux ;) 2020-05-20T22:10:20 #kisslinux Does flatpak reliably work on KISS yet? I seem to recall there were crash issues due to dependencies on pulseaudio or something 2020-05-20T22:14:05 #kisslinux Yes the audio issue is true. I have not tested anything from flatpak though. 2020-05-20T22:15:20 #kisslinux I'll give it a shot then I guess, can't be *that* much worse than figuring out all these dependencies 2020-05-20T22:26:48 #kisslinux Could always try to patch out the intltool dep 2020-05-20T22:26:58 #kisslinux Sometimes it just takes changing a version check line 2020-05-20T22:33:42 #kisslinux can anyone please help me with grub, I have been debugging for 2 whole days now 2020-05-20T22:33:59 #kisslinux im trying to install kiss on a VPS that runs on KVM 2020-05-20T22:34:24 #kisslinux right now "grub" displays for 0.01 second during boot and then reboots 2020-05-20T22:34:29 #kisslinux resuling in a boot loop 2020-05-20T22:34:48 #kisslinux even adding debugging flags to my grub.cfg makes it crash or something 2020-05-20T22:35:01 #kisslinux so i suspect my mbr is messed up or something?? 2020-05-20T22:35:55 #kisslinux i tried with partuid, without, with uuid, etc 2020-05-20T22:36:02 #kisslinux im 90% sure it is not a config thing 2020-05-20T22:36:30 #kisslinux What are the flags grub is passing when you try to boot? 2020-05-20T22:36:48 #kisslinux where can I see this? 2020-05-20T22:37:11 #kisslinux i can only look into the config an such,because during boot grub exits without a split second 2020-05-20T22:40:21 #kisslinux I believe they would be in whatever directory you pass to grub-mkconfig 2020-05-20T22:40:52 #kisslinux Or in something like /etc/grub/40-defaults, or a unique one if you made one 2020-05-20T22:42:42 #kisslinux https://ix.io/2mRd 2020-05-20T22:42:46 #kisslinux grub.cfg ^ 2020-05-20T22:42:56 #kisslinux fuck 2020-05-20T22:43:12 #kisslinux http://ix.io/2mRd 2020-05-20T22:55:09 #kisslinux onodera: my specification in the linux line with root= looks like root=PARTUUID=c24fa20f-01 2020-05-20T22:56:05 #kisslinux lemme check 2020-05-20T22:56:39 #kisslinux can I please see your default/grub file 2020-05-20T22:56:45 #kisslinux one moment 2020-05-20T22:57:17 #kisslinux https://termbin.com/20xu 2020-05-20T22:57:24 #kisslinux maybe easier and cleaner 2020-05-20T22:57:39 #kisslinux thanks 2020-05-20T22:58:00 #kisslinux I have messed with the uncomnted line. But that was no succes 2020-05-20T23:00:12 #kisslinux nbope 2020-05-20T23:00:15 #kisslinux still an instant reboot 2020-05-20T23:00:22 #kisslinux i think the mbr stuff is broken 2020-05-20T23:00:42 #kisslinux because else it would at least display debug stuff instead of just crahsing or whatever 2020-05-20T23:01:02 #kisslinux i might be forced to use crux after all... 2020-05-20T23:02:08 #kisslinux Do you have in addition to this UUID in fstab? 2020-05-20T23:02:19 #kisslinux yes I have uuid in fstab 2020-05-20T23:02:26 #kisslinux but it is not even showing me the grub menu 2020-05-20T23:02:32 #kisslinux so I don't think it even reaches fstab 2020-05-20T23:02:54 #kisslinux thats normal behaviour when its not configured right. Grub boot loop 2020-05-20T23:03:44 #kisslinux But y. I read the pain 2020-05-20T23:04:07 #kisslinux ALRIGHT 2020-05-20T23:04:10 #kisslinux I got grub to load 2020-05-20T23:04:32 #kisslinux I booted into an arch install issue and ran grub --root=/mnt/boot /dev/vda from there 2020-05-20T23:04:37 #kisslinux maybe the kiss grub is just broken 2020-05-20T23:05:02 #kisslinux hehe 2020-05-20T23:05:11 #kisslinux kisslinux goes brrr :D 2020-05-20T23:09:07 #kisslinux alright that fixed it! 2020-05-20T23:09:14 #kisslinux at least for now 2020-05-20T23:09:25 #kisslinux probably need to boot into arch every time i wanna update my kernel 2020-05-20T23:11:43 #kisslinux or maybe not 2020-05-20T23:25:35 #kisslinux claudia: I ran into a huge mess because I didn't compile my kernel with userspace filesystems and then when I recompiled it I ran into the gcc 10 bug, so I downloaded the latest kernel and built it, but I mounted my esp partition in the wrong spot and accidentally deleted it twice before getting everything working 2020-05-20T23:25:36 #kisslinux BUT now I'm running the latest kernel and Inkscape runs in a flatpak, so thanks :D 2020-05-20T23:29:51 #kisslinux nice. that was fast (: 2020-05-20T23:42:18 #kisslinux 6 core processor doing nothing besides compiling gets the job done pretty quickly!