2020-04-29T00:02:17 #kisslinux i think it's because librsyslog.a is after -lz on thet linker command 2020-04-29T00:24:59 #kisslinux Thanks for the help! i fixed it by using very dirty workaround :) 2020-04-29T00:46:14 #kisslinux alright! I think I've got Xorg working, but my mouse doesn't work. I installed xf86-input-libinput, is there anything else I need? The xorg log's errors are only about the missing modules "ati", "fbdev", and "vesa" 2020-04-29T00:49:11 #kisslinux nvm, I rebooted and Xorg is picking it up now 2020-04-29T00:51:29 #kisslinux In case anyone is curious as to how to get a mostly secure sandbox for a browser. Check out simple sandboxing on the gentoo wiki and combine that with Xephyr(really simple to package just fork xorg and enable it and install dependencies 2020-04-29T00:51:51 #kisslinux Only dependency not already in repos is libXdmcp 2020-04-29T01:32:14 #kisslinux Im following the guide for wpa_supplicant on kiss. However Im not sure where to put the script file I made? 2020-04-29T01:48:35 #kisslinux himmalerin: those are all graphics drivers. If Xorg is working, you don't need them. Unless you have an AMD card 2020-04-29T02:02:47 #kisslinux Im very confused where do I put startup scripts? 2020-04-29T02:04:34 #kisslinux /etc/sv ? 2020-04-29T02:06:27 #kisslinux Do I just make a script in there chmod it and link it to /var/service? 2020-04-29T02:06:57 #kisslinux yep 2020-04-29T02:07:23 #kisslinux Ah my bad. I come from openrc and am not sure how to do some things yet. Thanks! 2020-04-29T02:12:57 #kisslinux ominous_anonymou: maybe it creates nodes and after that mdev doesn't recreate them even if they're matched again. Maybe? 2020-04-29T02:18:14 #kisslinux Firefox takes waaay to long to build 2020-04-29T02:21:33 #kisslinux well, not firefox specifically. Just everything it takes to build it for the first time. Namely Rust 2020-04-29T02:29:56 #kisslinux the firefox build failed, it's not really clear what the error was 2020-04-29T02:30:16 #kisslinux does the kiss build system log everything somewhere so I can look through it? 2020-04-29T02:31:51 #kisslinux oh, it even says "Log stored to /home/..." 2020-04-29T02:36:02 #kisslinux himmalerin: hey, at least it's not as long as chrom{e,ium} 2020-04-29T02:39:48 #kisslinux well if chromium would /not/ fail when I tried to build it, I might be willing to take longer build times 2020-04-29T02:40:55 #kisslinux I am trying to write a script to open my browser. However im not very good at scripting. The problem is I can only have one open at a time due to me using Xephyr to sandbox browsers. Im trying to make a script that basically looks in /tmp/.X11-unix to get all current displays so when I start a new browser it uses one number higher then the highest one in that directory. If anyone could help me get on the right track it would be 2020-04-29T02:40:55 #kisslinux appreciated 2020-04-29T02:42:57 #kisslinux The errors that caused the firefox build to fail are for instances of the same error: "error: casts cannot be followed by a field access", anyone seen that before? 2020-04-29T03:17:09 #kisslinux nope 2020-04-29T03:17:24 #kisslinux just upload the logs here 2020-04-29T03:23:00 #kisslinux http://0x0.st/ieVb.txt 2020-04-29T04:27:25 #kisslinux I'm logging off for the night, but if anyone knows anything about the firefox build error I'm getting about I'd love to hear about it tomorrow! 2020-04-29T06:45:26 #kisslinux https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/741 2020-04-29T08:38:49 #kisslinux anyone tried building gtk+3 w/ meson? mine failed with check-version.py not found it seems 2020-04-29T08:39:32 #kisslinux Send your build file? 2020-04-29T08:39:34 #kisslinux konimex: 2020-04-29T08:40:02 #kisslinux two secs 2020-04-29T08:40:42 #kisslinux build file should be https://github.com/wyvertux/wyverkiss/blob/master/extra/gtk%2B3/build since I made no changes 2020-04-29T08:41:26 #kisslinux Thanks 2020-04-29T08:42:08 #kisslinux > meson.build:988:0: ERROR: Program(s) ['check-version.py'] not found or not executable 2020-04-29T08:44:28 #kisslinux konimex: You need to disable tests it looks like. 2020-04-29T08:44:41 #kisslinux Though... -Dtests=false 2020-04-29T08:44:43 #kisslinux It's already there 2020-04-29T08:47:19 #kisslinux It's also used with autotools: $(top_srcdir)/check-version.py $(top_srcdir)/configure.ac $(top_srcdir)/meson.build 2020-04-29T08:47:29 #kisslinux Under: dist-hook: 2020-04-29T08:47:38 #kisslinux dylan03 i'm trying your `flatpak` version, and after install and execute `0ad` it appears a windows for less than a second and desapears, with the `st` terminal 2020-04-29T08:48:03 #kisslinux Got a log? 2020-04-29T08:48:08 #kisslinux i mean it kill the `st` window 2020-04-29T08:48:20 #kisslinux i have not a log because it desapears in a second 2020-04-29T08:48:39 #kisslinux Ah 2020-04-29T08:48:47 #kisslinux i see some log, but impossible to read in this short time 2020-04-29T08:48:48 #kisslinux Try 'cmd >~/file 2>&1` 2020-04-29T08:48:52 #kisslinux Yeah 2020-04-29T08:48:55 #kisslinux Redirect it out to a file 2020-04-29T08:48:58 #kisslinux ok 2020-04-29T08:49:14 #kisslinux Also, add '-v' to flatpak (after 'run' but before the name of 0ad) 2020-04-29T08:49:20 #kisslinux It'll then print verbose information 2020-04-29T08:49:40 #kisslinux I'll be back on a little later 2020-04-29T08:51:03 #kisslinux @dylan03 https://termbin.com/zew3 2020-04-29T11:07:57 #kisslinux eudaldgr: Have you tried running it with apulse? 2020-04-29T11:08:02 #kisslinux I'll push apulse to the flatpak repository. 2020-04-29T11:08:34 #kisslinux Done 2020-04-29T11:16:03 #kisslinux okey 2020-04-29T11:16:13 #kisslinux i havn't tried apulse 2020-04-29T11:16:32 #kisslinux 'apulse flatpak bla bla' 2020-04-29T11:16:40 #kisslinux okey thanks 2020-04-29T11:16:41 #kisslinux If it still doesn't work, a log would be handy. 2020-04-29T11:16:48 #kisslinux I'm hoping the output changes 2020-04-29T11:18:43 #kisslinux well now i see with top that i have to 0ad executing 2020-04-29T11:21:38 #kisslinux https://termbin.com/socj 2020-04-29T11:22:01 #kisslinux `apulse flatpak run -v --user com.play0ad.zeroad >~/file 2>&1` 2020-04-29T11:22:15 #kisslinux It may work with alsa 2020-04-29T11:22:39 #kisslinux Inside: conf/data/flatpak/overrides/global 2020-04-29T11:22:43 #kisslinux oops 2020-04-29T11:22:52 #kisslinux ~/.local/share/flatpak/overrides/global 2020-04-29T11:23:02 #kisslinux [Context] 2020-04-29T11:23:06 #kisslinux devices=snd 2020-04-29T11:23:10 #kisslinux That should do it 2020-04-29T11:23:36 #kisslinux It looks like the flatpak needs access to /dev/snd. 2020-04-29T11:23:48 #kisslinux If it works, I'll look into making it default to allowing ALSA playback. 2020-04-29T11:24:17 #kisslinux don't work 2020-04-29T11:27:23 #kisslinux Did the log change at all? 2020-04-29T11:28:20 #kisslinux https://termbin.com/o3up 2020-04-29T11:31:28 #kisslinux Thanks 2020-04-29T11:34:22 #kisslinux libreoffice don't work, no? 2020-04-29T11:34:47 #kisslinux the flatpak way i mean 2020-04-29T11:35:15 #kisslinux It does not 2020-04-29T11:35:19 #kisslinux It needs PulseAudio! 2020-04-29T11:35:30 #kisslinux mmmhhh.. 2020-04-29T11:35:32 #kisslinux I'm working on a possible fix 2020-04-29T11:35:41 #kisslinux oh well thanks 2020-04-29T11:35:45 #kisslinux It's called alsa-oss which is like apulse but for OSS 2020-04-29T11:36:06 #kisslinux It _should_ fix audio in anything only supporting pulse/oss/jack/whatever but not ALSA 2020-04-29T11:36:23 #kisslinux The only issue is that it heavily requires glibc 2020-04-29T11:37:35 #kisslinux =# 2020-04-29T11:39:19 #kisslinux ACTION  2020-04-29T11:42:26 #kisslinux o/ 2020-04-29T11:47:08 #kisslinux webkit2gtk now supports media playback: https://github.com/kisslinux/community/pull/750 2020-04-29T11:48:47 #kisslinux Thanks to merakor:! 2020-04-29T11:58:38 #kisslinux so I'm curious, what exactly is so bad about dbus and pulseaudio? 2020-04-29T11:59:35 #kisslinux I have perfectly working audio without it and it has to sit on top of ALSA and run as a daemon/server. 2020-04-29T12:00:12 #kisslinux It makes no sense to me (personally) and I everything audio works already. 2020-04-29T12:00:32 #kisslinux It can be simply added with a repository though (same for dbus https://github.com/periish/kiss-dbus) 2020-04-29T12:01:08 #kisslinux I secondly have a perfectly working system without dbus. It adds nothing (again, personally). 2020-04-29T12:03:18 #kisslinux I don't like how dbus opens IPC from non-root to root. I don't like its feature that spawns daemons (bypassing the service manager). I also don't like the UUID usage and how your UUID is readable by software (dbus-broker does solve this by giving you full control over the UUID). 2020-04-29T12:04:35 #kisslinux It's a lot easier to start from less and add things afterwards than it is to try and tear them out of a larger existing system. 2020-04-29T12:50:45 #kisslinux btw dylan: does kiss not check for checksums anymore in the package manager? 2020-04-29T12:51:49 #kisslinux in cached source 2020-04-29T12:55:19 #kisslinux man, looks like I have no choice but to use GNU make for the time being 2020-04-29T12:58:49 #kisslinux It does? 2020-04-29T13:18:25 #kisslinux seems like there's no indication of "checking sums" or something like that after found cached source 2020-04-29T13:20:33 #kisslinux There's no message, yeah 2020-04-29T13:34:17 #kisslinux dylan09: how do you manage hot-plugging audio devices without pulseaudio? Like, switching from speaker output to headphones if they are plugged/unplugged? 2020-04-29T13:34:27 #kisslinux dylan09: that allways was a pain in the ass for me with alsa 2020-04-29T13:35:37 #kisslinux Audio switches automagically for me from speakers to headphones and back 2020-04-29T13:36:49 #kisslinux actually, i never got this working this way, did you configure anything? 2020-04-29T13:37:21 #kisslinux Nothing special besides setting my default sound card 2020-04-29T13:37:45 #kisslinux Yeah, it should just work 2020-04-29T13:38:14 #kisslinux usb headphones with mic i assume? 2020-04-29T13:38:34 #kisslinux Oh 2020-04-29T13:38:39 #kisslinux No, 3.5mm 2020-04-29T13:38:47 #kisslinux yeah, im not talking about that :) 2020-04-29T14:50:44 #kisslinux dylan09: was just checking community, whats a ghost user? https://github.com/kisslinux/community/pull/738 2020-04-29T14:53:04 #kisslinux it means a user deleted/changed the account 2020-04-29T14:53:31 #kisslinux just click the username 2020-04-29T15:18:25 #kisslinux Well 2020-04-29T15:18:54 #kisslinux Time to drop weechat 2020-04-29T15:19:02 #kisslinux Unless anyone would like to maintain it? 2020-04-29T15:30:05 #kisslinux dylan09: Nah, we're good with birch ^^ 2020-04-29T15:31:41 #kisslinux Speaking of birch, I've noticed that messages seem to be missing sometimes. For example, in birch my last message was 'dylan09 There's no message, yeah', whereas when I check the irc logs for the channel the last message is 'dylan09 Unless anyone would like to maintain it?' 2020-04-29T15:32:20 #kisslinux Not sure what the cause is. 2020-04-29T15:34:59 #kisslinux Hi does anyone know how to autologin a user with getty in kisslinux.. I γοτ stuck ... 2020-04-29T15:37:16 #kisslinux Any help in the arch wiki? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Getty 2020-04-29T15:39:40 #kisslinux I think you can 'tty1::respawn:/sbin/login -f your_username' in /etc/inittab to automatically login to tty after boot, but that's all I know 2020-04-29T15:39:55 #kisslinux Don't take my word for it though, and as I said it's for tty 2020-04-29T15:41:48 #kisslinux Yes and no because i thing getty / busybox its different there is no --autologin command to enter on inittab like normal getty 2020-04-29T15:43:22 #kisslinux You can install util-linux and use agetty 2020-04-29T15:43:30 #kisslinux It supports the flag you're looking for 2020-04-29T15:43:34 #kisslinux myst_: 2020-04-29T15:44:08 #kisslinux You could also package another getty utility which provides it (is there one?) 2020-04-29T15:46:24 #kisslinux Thanks both of you for the answers Dylan 09 are you living in Greece?.. 2020-04-29T15:47:06 #kisslinux Anyone here use Firefox and successfully built it on kiss? When I try to do so it errors out with "error: casts cannot be followed by a field access". Here's the full log http://0x0.st/ieVb.txt 2020-04-29T15:47:34 #kisslinux alternatively, what browser do most of you use? I'd be fine switching to something else simpler than firefox 2020-04-29T15:51:36 #kisslinux himmalerin: did you try the firefox-bin package? This will save you from having to build it yourself. 2020-04-29T15:53:31 #kisslinux I did not, I assumed there were no bin packages due to using musl. I'll give that a shot, thanks for the suggestion! 2020-04-29T15:53:52 #kisslinux myst_: I am, yeah. 2020-04-29T15:53:53 #kisslinux dylan09: yeah seems like torsocks and weechat needs a drop from community 2020-04-29T15:55:06 #kisslinux himmalerin: I'll see if I can reproduce the issue. I built Firefox just fine about a week ago. 2020-04-29T15:55:12 #kisslinux k1ss: I'll get on it. 2020-04-29T15:58:12 #kisslinux dylan09 : me too 2020-04-29T15:58:34 #kisslinux Where abouts? 2020-04-29T16:00:18 #kisslinux dylan09: Thanks for taking a look! The bin package does work, so if you can't reproduce it that's not *too* bad 2020-04-29T16:03:01 #kisslinux dylan09 : Piraeus 2020-04-29T16:05:26 #kisslinux myst_: I'm in Lefkada. Are you Greek or in Greece on work? How's things in Athens/Piraeus? 2020-04-29T16:18:34 #kisslinux The qt5 stack requires both python 2 and python 3 to build. Amazing 2020-04-29T16:25:18 #kisslinux dylan09: any updates on flatpak audio? 2020-04-29T16:28:10 #kisslinux dilynm: Same as Firefox 2020-04-29T16:28:53 #kisslinux k1ss: I'm still trying to get alsa-oss to build on musl. I think it'll be the simplest partial solution as a start. 2020-04-29T16:32:34 #kisslinux lol, glibc worked 2020-04-29T16:32:47 #kisslinux o/ 2020-04-29T16:33:10 #kisslinux i ended up using sysvinit, though 2020-04-29T17:00:58 #kisslinux lieu: Nice 2020-04-29T17:14:04 #kisslinux what monospaced font do you all use? I have liberation-fonts and terminus-font installed, but k1ss.org is using a sans-serif font which totally breaks the layout 2020-04-29T17:20:44 #kisslinux iosevka 2020-04-29T17:40:48 #kisslinux I like inconsolata personally https://levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html 2020-04-29T17:42:02 #kisslinux and ricty-diminished-discord 2020-04-29T18:23:12 #kisslinux I am currently going through the install process on my laptop as laid out on the k1ss install page. For "kiss update" curl is reporting the gzip link http://zlib.net/pigz/pigz-2.4.tar.gz has an SSL cert problem: certificate is not yet valid. Is this an issue with the package or cert, or should I go ahead and install fully first and update later? 2020-04-29T18:34:32 #kisslinux go ahead and install fully first, in my opinion. the update is going to be pretty lengthy anyways, might as well make sure everything is set prior to that 2020-04-29T18:38:00 #kisslinux Good point, will do. Thanks! I don't see any other SSL cert issues other than that 1 2020-04-29T18:38:53 #kisslinux Is your date right on the box? 2020-04-29T18:41:38 #kisslinux date command output shows Wed Apr 29 14:00:28 UTC 2020 2020-04-29T18:41:52 #kisslinux seems right 2020-04-29T18:51:58 #kisslinux If calendars and clocks are to be believed... 2020-04-29T19:06:38 #kisslinux good evening 2020-04-29T19:26:22 #kisslinux what's the utility for viewing man pages in Kiss? mandoc seems to for compiling them, not viewing them 2020-04-29T19:43:14 #kisslinux dylan09: Dylan I told you some time ago that I would not update scrot because they were project fork not developed by the original devel and I understood that it was fine. because personally on all systems I use that version which is stable to that of the creator, I can understand your point of view but I prefer to have everything stable in its place if I don't have some certainties 2020-04-29T19:44:32 #kisslinux if the prerogative is different then I have no problems that are under the responsibility of others. I personally release what I use and update only if I have reason to do it. 2020-04-29T19:48:21 #kisslinux kiss is sourced not binary... if i want unstable packages system i use other . for my ideal as such I use packages that work as required. it my point of view, sorry for the length due to the explanation. I go back to drinking :p 2020-04-29T19:53:06 #kisslinux ax: you do your thing, but see >I will not be accepting any new packages from maintainers with outdated ones. 2020-04-29T19:55:28 #kisslinux dylan09: why dhcpcd has to processes? 2020-04-29T19:56:11 #kisslinux himmalerin: mandoc can convert/format them 2020-04-29T19:56:12 #kisslinux one PPID IS 1? 2020-04-29T19:56:33 #kisslinux Two processes* 2020-04-29T19:57:14 #kisslinux k1ss: I have no problems if others take charge, I update them when I have real reason to do it. I don't update an original fork project because others do this if the original project is meant to simply do what it has to do. I do not compromise my rigorously compiled system otherwise I would have turned to something else 2020-04-29T19:59:15 #kisslinux it cant be that bad if alpine,void, even debian has it 2020-04-29T19:59:51 #kisslinux you you're talking about systems that provide binary non-packages to compile 2020-04-29T20:00:20 #kisslinux it's prerogative of other types of considerations 2020-04-29T20:00:34 #kisslinux not really, gentoo has 1.3 too 2020-04-29T20:03:52 #kisslinux version 1.3 everyone has it at the moment, but it's a fork. go to git and it is written in large letters. I've always used the original version which does what it has to do. 2020-04-29T20:04:06 #kisslinux 'Packages are updated as quickly as possible while at the same time tested to ensure that no issues arise in the new version. A new version of a package will be held back if it causes issues.' -- https://k1ss.org/faq 2020-04-29T20:04:34 #kisslinux so whats the problem exactly with the fork? 2020-04-29T20:04:36 #kisslinux too bloated? 2020-04-29T20:06:26 #kisslinux I knew the developer and I trust his revision to the last stage of development. I don't know what they did after him. If you then ask me about specific things that are not available in the original release then I may be willing to talk about it. 2020-04-29T20:07:11 #kisslinux it is, i use this and it work full, without problem. other, i dont know. 2020-04-29T20:07:30 #kisslinux cant you see the code here? https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/scrot/commits/master 2020-04-29T20:08:02 #kisslinux I mean its all open source, so whats the problem? 2020-04-29T20:18:41 #kisslinux none, it's not tested, and i don't know what it depends on, but i can read the code. if you care so much. place like this is another matter entirely, but are there really functions that require development branch? I have never had any segfault under any conditions.. 2020-04-29T20:19:38 #kisslinux let's talk about something designed to do what it has to do. kiss. 2020-04-29T20:20:08 #kisslinux package it as scrot-ng and have both versions ;) 2020-04-29T20:20:29 #kisslinux abi: thats a good idea. 2020-04-29T20:21:24 #kisslinux or just update to 1.3 like other distros 2020-04-29T20:22:12 #kisslinux i got 404 error while downloading nodejs. anyone can repro? 2020-04-29T20:23:34 #kisslinux illiliti: Same here, it worked last night when I was trying to build firefox though 2020-04-29T20:24:50 #kisslinux There was a new release earlier today, maybe they delete the older tar files after a new release is created? 2020-04-29T20:25:55 #kisslinux maybe 2020-04-29T20:26:48 #kisslinux abi: yes it can be a good idea for subsequent branches, you should subject it to dylan 2020-04-29T20:31:04 #kisslinux illiliti: That is the case, only the latest release lives in release/latest-v14.x 2020-04-29T20:33:35 #kisslinux Maybe instead of using the release/latest-v14.x the actual url should be used, https://nodejs.org/download/release/v14.0.0/node-v14.0.0.tar.xz instead of (the now broken) https://nodejs.org/download/release/latest-v14.x/node-v14.0.0.tar.xz 2020-04-29T20:34:33 #kisslinux true 2020-04-29T21:05:10 #kisslinux What's the correct way to write the install script for fonts? liberation-fonts uses mkdir and cp, the styleguide says use install 2020-04-29T21:07:54 #kisslinux if the styleguide says use install, then use it. 2020-04-29T21:08:11 #kisslinux I guess the liberation-fonts build script needs to be updated. 2020-04-29T21:09:52 #kisslinux liberation-fonts went from install to mkdir/cp with the commit "More portable install" https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/8d7d0a39f6c335ff9d25b9d486a59fd91d35f00e 2020-04-29T21:11:04 #kisslinux So I'm unsure what the thing to do is 2020-04-29T21:17:28 #kisslinux install -t is not portable. you should use mkdir/cp instead 2020-04-29T21:25:42 #kisslinux btw, system-wide fonts is bad idea IMO. better to use ~/.local/share/fonts unless you have multiuser setup 2020-04-29T21:34:32 #kisslinux iosevka-nerd-fonts uses install without -t fwiw 2020-04-29T21:34:56 #kisslinux Illiliti: why? 2020-04-29T21:35:26 #kisslinux oh, I see 2020-04-29T21:35:52 #kisslinux dylan, how many ricing tools do you have? pywal, bud(dy), pal(eta), and now wsh :) 2020-04-29T21:40:05 #kisslinux dilynm: i'm personally dislike cluttering /usr/share 2020-04-29T21:40:46 #kisslinux Fair 2020-04-29T21:57:07 #kisslinux lol 2020-04-29T21:57:15 #kisslinux firefox build failed 2020-04-29T21:59:08 #kisslinux https://termbin.com/hpd1 2020-04-29T21:59:12 #kisslinux If you grep the log kiss makes is there a "error: casts cannot be followed by a field access"? 2020-04-29T21:59:55 #kisslinux huh that looks like a different error from what I got yesterday 2020-04-29T22:00:59 #kisslinux 4 matches for casts cannot.... 2020-04-29T22:53:04 #kisslinux illiliti: That's the error I was getting too ( http://0x0.st/ieYE.txt ), but I don't see any mentions in your termbin link? 2020-04-29T22:59:03 #kisslinux i cut last 500 lines from log using tail -n 500. therefore grep 'casts cannot' doesn't show any matches 2020-04-29T23:53:10 #kisslinux Kiss the package manager only supports updating with git repos right? No Mercurial support?