I've seen a lot of posts recently telling the good, the bad, and the ugly about DM (as in Robitussin, yum yum...) I'm no expert at drugs, I will attest. I rarely drink, and have smoked MJ even more infrequently (like, oh, 5 times total in my life...) I have been around people who have done drugs. Usually I was the "designated straightedge." I enjoyed the job, but now have began to "fiddle" around a little bit (oh the joys of College life :) Anyhow, I have been messing around with DM recently, and thought I'd share my personal experiences with it: 1st Time: Drank a 4oz bottle of Robitussin DM. Loved it, since my roomie is deathly afraid of the stuff. He used to do it, and now can't even get near a bottle of the stuff without heaving. Drank the whole 4ozs in front of him in about 2 minutes, and made sure to breathe the fumes on him :) Not a whole lot of effect, but I did not really expect much. Some dizziness, a little bit of audio hallucinations (music was a whole lot more interesting...) I was more talkative, but always felt like I was slurring my speech (even though, according to my friends, I was not.) Time seemed to move really slow. The high lasted about 4 hours, even though it felt longer. Felt tired, worn out afterwards and slept rather well... 2nd Time: Drank another 4oz of Rob-DM. Licked my lips as my roomie gagged at the sight of me drinking it (unlike others, I do not mind the taste of Robitussin too awful much, although I do have to drink plenty to get the lingering taste out of my mouth...) Much the same effects as before, but even more pronounced. No real visual-hallucinations at all. Lasted a bit longer this time, maybe 5 hours. Loads of fun walking around. Next to impossible to urinate, though :) 3rd Time: Decided to be cheap, and bought a bottle of generic Hy-Vee Brand "Tussin." Ingredient label was EXACTLY the same as Robitussin DM (I made sure to check.) Got back, drank it all in 3 mighty gulps. Taste was AWFUL! I could feel my guts beginning to churn. I sat back, waiting a bit for the effects to take hold (usually takes about 45 minutes when I drink a whole bottle at one time..) A friend came in and told me they were dragging someone up on the memorial arch at school (a big 50 foot monument to something), so I rushed out there. I helped drag him up by pulling a rope that was slung over the top, and had to do a lot of strenuous pulling. I got violently sick, and threw up in the snow by the arch. After about an hour and a half outside, I still felt no effect. Went back in and went to sleep. Absolutly no effects. Felt cheated. 4th Time: Another 4oz Robitussin. Even more effects than before. Began to get into the "oh WOW!" type syndrome. Everything became INFINATELY more interesting. I'd tend to stare off into space without blinking for moments at a time. Began having minor hallucinations, too. Posters and things on the wall would seem to jump and change places just a little bit. Slight visuals too, like a flashing off-color light field in front of my eyes for moments at a time. Lasted even longer, about 6 hours, and time felt really, really distorted. I awoke the next morning full of energy, too. 5th Time: BIG TIME. Decided to go all out, and bought the 8oz Family Size Robitussin DM. Drank it all within 10 minutes (to the absolute DISGUST of everyone in the room.) Kind of a mistake, but not really. It began like normal, dizziness, then audio-hallucinations, then slight visuals. But it continued on. I began to have more massive visuals. Big colored blobs flowing and oozing in front of my eyes. Staring at any one spot for awhile caused that spot to seem to fly away, almost like I was shrinking. My friends left me alone for awhile, and I sat in the room in the dark. More hallucinations, including one full-blown, "I do not exist, anymore"-type hallucination. I thought I was a flower. I could feel myself swaying the wind, I could see a big field of grass instead of my normal surroundings. This went away rather quickly, and has been the only real, full-out hallucination I have had yet. I was full of energy, too. I was hyper. I was bouncing off the walls in our hallway, running around, talkative. When I finally sat down, about 6 hours later, I was still buzzing. I began to get tired, and started sort of passing out. During that time, I began convulsing. I'd all of a sudden get sort of a seizure, and flail around in the chair I was sitting in. That lasted about 45 minutes, until I fell fully asleep. Awoke nice and refreshed the next day. 6th Time: I was kind of hesitant to do any more after the last experience, but I eventually downed another 4ozer (of Rob-DM). Not a whole lot, just a normal 4oz trip. I might have been holding myself back because of the experience I had with the 8ozer. 7th Time: Another 8oz Family Rob-DM. Great time. I had all the effects I had before on the 8oz, but no adverse side-effects. I was loaded with energy. The trip lasted at least 10 hours, and I was buzzing the whole time. Finally fell asleep, and woke up the next morning feeling good, but a little bit messed up still. This was probably the longest trip I have ever had on Robitussin yet. 8th (and most recent) Time: Decided to make a change, and picked up the Maximum Strength Robitussin 4oz. Drank it all in the normal 3 big gulps. Wow. I wasn't filled with as much energy as before: I couldn't bounce around as much and stuff. But the buzz, and the visuals, and everything was just the same as drinking 8oz. I had some wild visual hallucinations. For awhile, it felt like I was walking around only in 2-dimensions. Everything had length and height, but no width. Wild... The next day I was violently ill, though. I think this had more to do, though, with the fact that I was coming down with a cold all weekend, and not the Robitussin. Will I do it again? Probably. I have heard a lot about the similarity between DM-trips and LSD & Shroom-trips. I would consider trying them(LSD, Shrooms), but they are near to impossible to come by in Ass Backwards, IA where I am attending College. So you can bet I might be making a few more trips to the local supermarket for that (ahem) bad cold I got. I don't really condone the stuff. It may sound great, but there are plenty of bad effects. If you have a weak stomach, or can't handle the smell of Robitussin, then for god sakes DON'T. You'll puke. Only reason I can handle the stuff is because I kind of like the taste (strange, I know, but I still complain to my roomie that it tastes better than the Millwaukee's Best Light beer he loves to drink...) If you are depressed, or have an adversion to drugs, then for christ sakes, DON'T! If you have to drive, or work, or anything strenuous, then for satan's sake, DON'T! I had to drive a few friends to the bar about 20 minutes after drinking a bottle, and I will NEVER do that again. I had my roomie (who had not been drinking, thank god) take over for me. There, got the normal, straightedge disclaimer out of me. Enjoy... -_________________________________________________________________________- [ Christopher Johnson - Buena Vista College, Storm Lake - Cooter Claypool ] |\o/The Fiery Darts - Boom Key Grip Editor - BEWARE: pOsSiBlE sArCaSm | | | | "I found a new friend, underneath my pillow." - Language is a Virus/o\| |The New Wave of the Post Modern Ultra High Tech Kool Rave Disco Bastards!| [ Reality is just another perception of the senses - JOHNSONCHRIS@BVC.EDU ] _-------------------------------------------------------------------------_ "When I step, a weed DIES..." - Pete, King of the Detectives (Big Black) ============================================================================= The Place: Philadelphia, Pa. USA 3/13/93. Alone in my apartment. The Person: 28 years old. 240 pounds. Nothing better to do. The Conditions: MAJOR east coast winter storm. 1 foot plus of snow. howling winds(75mph+). sleet. thunder and lightning! PA state of emergency. ALL area interstates and airports closed. The Dosage: Total of 14oz. 4oz Robo Max Cough and 2oz Generic DM at 3pm. 8oz Robo DM over next 3-4 hours. The Synergists: Pot Only. NO Alcohol. NO Caffiene. Food before, during, and after ingestion. Heavily Stoned at start of ingestion. Effects: Starts real mellow. A body warming. Slightly drunk and dizzy. In a very good way. A "boozey" drunken feeling it is not, maybe like Seconal. A definite "in the body" thing. Started cutting corners close, bumping into walls. Destortions in my spatial perception. Sight slighly blurry, Impossible for me to read small print. Underlying calmness. Music is much more enjoyable. A kind of craving for louder and harder beats. Enjoying the textures of the tape hiss between tracks. Strange disjointed thought process. Underlying calmness. Full warping of subspace. Pin Head with expansize arms/legs. Incredible head size. Warping and folding of body. Incredible spatial distortions. Had to lie down on bed with no light. Wind was howling but i was calm. Continued spatial and mental distortions, but with a calmness telling me the trip was going to be okay. Never "totally" lost it like with LSD. Underlying calmness throughout entire trip which is unlike LSD for me. LSD tends to be a "speedy", tense kind of trip for me. Hard for me to ride an LSD trip because of the tenseness. Precautions: I got the stuff down real easy. A little iced tea chaser and i'm fine. YOU may find Robo SICKENING getting and keeping down. If you can get yourself in the mindset needed to guzzle and keep down several oz of hard liquor, you'll do fine with Robo. PLEASE DO NOT EXPECT TO DRIVE DURING THIS TYPE OF BUZZ. The Verdict: WOW. This involves some further research. Will do Robo Max Cough (seems to be the strongest/purest form i can get) with some friends next week. Will check my results without the initial POT buzz. -- Scott D. Taylor scott@gooflesh.pha.pa.us Philadelphia ...uunet!gooflesh!scott ============================================================================= Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 25-Mar-93 DM and alcohol by agaluhn@pomona.claremont > No no no no no. Bad dog. Don't do it..... [...] > Anyway, I have a warning for any who might be listening....DO NOT MIX DM AND > ALCOHOL!!!!!!!!!!! I'd been in a BIG argument with my girlfriend the last > couple of days, and while the two of us bitched at each other through e-mail, > I drank a not-insignificant amount of Yukon Jack....not enough to have > otherwise made me sick, but enough to be pretty drunk. Anyway, we finally > decided to talk things through in her room, and while i was waiting for her to > come pick me up (I was in no condition to get there myself), for some really > stupid reason i decided to drink the rest of this one bottle of cough syrup... > about 2.5 ounces. She arrived, we went to her room, we talked for a while, > cleared things up, and i then went to the bathroom to throw up. For 2 1/2 > hours. Not fun. > > Sooo...unless you feel like verifying this, or if puking your guts out for damn > near 3 hours sounds like a fun way to spend an evening, DO NOT MIX DM AND > ALCOHOL!!!! Nuff said? > > peace, tony > > "Reality is what you can get away with" - Robert Anton Wilson > I agree...a couple of weeks ago (actually, it was that Friday night when we had the big blizzard here on the east coast), I consumed 8-9 shots of 40 proof rum, which did not significantly intoxicate me, but definitely buzzed me somewhat. About an hour and a half later I drank 4 oz. of Robitussin DM (the kind with guanefenesin (sp) and DM). Anyway, very soon I noticed the difficulty focusing my eyes, and in about an hour, experienced nausea the likes of which I never hope to ever have again. I also broke out in an intense cold sweat (anybody else ever notice this). I don't know if these effects should be attributed to the alcohol/cough medicine combination, or just the fact that it was DM _and_ guanefenesin I had drunk, or what. Anyway, I didn't vomit, but I would have if I had moved the slightest from the sitting position I was in. The nausea passed within 5 minutes or so though, and the rest of the ~6 hour trip was mostly pleasant, with great enhancement of music perception [do ya think the guys in Phish ever did any drugs? nah :-)] and mild visuals such as trails. I definitely wouldn't recommend mixing alcohol and DM though, based on my experience. Bartley Troyan bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu ============================================================================= Well, after all the messages about this stuff I decided to try it myself. Because I didn't want to get carried away I decided to try 2 oz and see what that did first. Well my first, and only, time trying that stuff was horrible. I ended up throwing up about 3 times on Saturday night. I also became very hyper and several times had problems breathing. Guess my system just doesn't like the stuff ay guys? Other symptoms included getting a fever and dizziness. This experience really scared the hell out of me. I think I'll just stick with the old methods from now on. I'm just glad I didn't take the whole damned bottle. I'm sure that would've been REALLY fun....... Jason ============================================================================= From: aholdern@flute.calpoly.edu (Andy "skis" Holderness) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Robo DM...had to try it Message-ID: <1993Apr15.221357.158550@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 15 Apr 93 22:13:57 GMT Well all of this talk about Robotussen DM made me kind of curious...so I decided to try it for myself. I ran over to the drug store and bought an 8 oz bottle of regular strenght robotussen dm. Its about 85 degrees here so i didnt even try to pretend I had a cold. I did however mention to the cashier that due to budget problems Summer may have to be cancled this year. She gave me a puzzled look and appeared to become nervous (she must have had some summer plans:)), but she happily sold me the cough medicine. I went home, flipped on the TV and in one gulp drank half the bottle. The after taste had me on my knees but I managed not to puke. I waited about 45 mins, and nothing. After about an hour I began to feel kind of loopy but it didnt seem like anything major, so I promptly quaffed the rest of the bottle. Strangely enough it tasted kind of good this time. About 15 mins later i began to feel kind of drunk, I had no coordination whatsoever. And then about 15 minbs after that WHAM! I was delerious. I felt like I was sinking into the couch. It was as if gravity had doubled or tripled. I could not focus at all, and seemed to see everything in two dimensions. I didnt ever really lose it though, and with a lot of work I could almost control the effects. Millions of thoughts began to race through my mind. After about 6 hours I began to wonder if id ever come down. I had paranoid thoughts of never coming down. Somehow I managed to figure out how to use the phone, and begged one of my friends to bring me some anti-nasua medication. Well that did the trick after about 1/16 oz I was happay again, and promtly passed out. The next morning I didnt feel bad, but I was kind of light headed. This dizzyness stayed with me for a couple of days but eventually wore off. The whole experiance was interesting... Was it worth it?...Probably not. It is NOT like any mushrooms I've ever had. So I would recomend sticking with the safer, more enjoyable options discussed in this news group, rather than pounding a bottle of cough syrup. -- -Andy When life has you down remember, you're just a figment of my imagination. ============================================================================= Message-ID: <171306Z17081993@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an17016@anon.penet.fi Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 17:12:18 UTC Subject: Possible DM psychosis..? Help? I am very tired, as I have had a long night of insomnia, but my sleeplessness was caused by reasons that I need to start to alleviate now. I am seeking, first and foremost, any and all information anyone may have on a Dextromethorphan Hybrobromide "psychosis". There is a long story to this, but I will do my best to summarize. Last night, while I was tripping, 2 of my 3 companions for the evening decided they'd get in on the excitement a bit with some handy Robitussin. The third was a) not interested, and b) the requisite babysitter/driver. Anyway, At some time in the chronological blur of last night, the Tussin user at whose we were decided that he wanted to try to astrally project. After this, he started acting strangely, and in a very disturbing manner. It took awhile for my effects to wear off to the level at which I could be certain that it was he and not I who was behaving strangely, but this morning's happenings have ultimately confirmed that. It was ten hours ago (from now, 8:30 AM) that he capped off his cough syrup, and since he tried to project, he's been speaking in a very monotone, broken speech. Very precise and inarticulate. He sounds like a robot, and very noticeably. He cannot think straight or focus on objects that are far away, says he "doesn't know" when asked how he is, and cannot specify where his limbs are unless he looks directly at them. This matches nothing I have experienced, nor anything that anyone I have read of has experienced, with the exception of an individual that mentioned a friend with a "manic" response to DM and LSD that has required hospitalization for up to a week. My friend, however, has used LSD a handful of times with no undesirable effects during or after the trips. Indeed, he tends to love the stuff. This experience, too, was thrilling, and he found it very amusing until his speech was decaying. Well, to be fair, he found the speech amusing for a couple hours, and recorded himself before getting bored/disturbed with it. Also, I was amazed that he wasn't tired. DM _should_, in my understanding, produce a sedating effect. He couldn't fall asleep, though, and didn't know whether or not he wanted to. He eventually did, with the help of the Valerian root that is kept around to cushion the "ride back down". The only problem is that he awoke in seemingly the same state. Through the entire drive to get me home, he seemed very disturbed, crossing his eyebrows and looking around alot, sitting in a contorted position. The other person in the car, [Driver's name here], asked if I was used to it lasting this long. I wasn't, and I reminded them that even if I was, I wasn't used to any of the other properties of his experience. The only thing any of us could think of was getting me home without causing alarm, and probing for information, specifically on the 'net. More importantly than the science behind my friend's experience, I need to know what I do now. Can we call the doctor with a case of intentional overdose of dextromethorphan? Are there certain lines we should/shouldn't call? What do we do, now? I beg your help, as my friend would, if he could get a firm enough grip on reality to decide whether or not he was alright. I'm somewhat frightened, honestly, and I do not find an uninformed, frightened state to be acceptable for the situation, in which SOME action seems necessary, and perhaps with relative haste. All help will be taken into account (and rest assured that this is not a cheap reference to "friend" as a convenient entity to take my blame, this is truly a good friend of mine, not me.) I'll check both Usenet and my mailbox religiously for the next few days. Thank you all dearly! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= From: cms52251@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (C. Matthew Sharkey) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: DMHBr, Questions and qualitative comments Date: 23 Sep 1993 18:49:20 GMT Message-ID: <27sr3g$klc@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> At one point last year, I was drinking about a 24 fl oz/week of robitussin in its two most palatable forms; Robitussin DM, and Robitussin Maximum strength Cough. The latter, in my opinion is a better deal as I think its cost/vol is comparable to DM, but you only need 2/3 as much to get the same amout of DMHBr. It has slipped my mind how much of the DMHBr is actually in the normal eight oz dose of DM or the 5.33oz dose of max. strength, but it was sufficient for a good12-18 hour trip. It should be noted, that if you plan to ingest heroic amounts of DMHBr, you must plan to be really out of it for at least 30 hours. After the initial trip, you will have a feeling of falling a definite + to ++ on the Shulgin scale for at least another 12 hours. Also I've never noticed any tolerance built for DMHBr. If there was a tolerance, I think it would have become apparent. It's a good trip, but can, as with any psychoactive compound, cause panic attacks as I have experienced at least twice. As with all drugs, set and setting cannot be ignored with DMHBr. A DMHBr powder was mentioned. Where is it available, not who can I get it from, but what part of the country have you seen it in. I read of s uch a powder in Mondo 200, but to my chagrin I've seen none. Does anyone know how to extract DMHBr from the syrup, as kidneydamage can insue from longterm ingestion of the syrup. That's why I stopped. ============================================================================= From: R.Justus@launchpad.unc.edu (John Ertel) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Tussin! Don't do it. Date: 24 Sep 1993 14:51:29 GMT Message-ID: <27v1hh$671@samba.oit.unc.edu> A FOAF of mine tried Tussian. 8 oz. of extra strength at 15 mg DXM per 5 mL and 1.4% alcohol. No other active drug ingredients. 700-750 mg total. It hit pretty fast (within a half an hour) with light headedness and slight disorientation. After an hour there was SEVERE disorientation and depersonalization. He felt almost as if he were outside himself looking in. There weren't especially harsh visual effects as in real hallucinations. Things were very grainy and somewhat distorted. Unable to keep focus on much of anything. He got severe itching fits several times (the only way around it was to ignore the itching, stop and wait til you forget about it). Breathing often felt slightly constricted as if you were wearing a tight shirt collar. There were severe heat flashes so that we had to turn a fan on high in an air conditioned house. Walking was very difficult. Hard to keep a balance. Time was VERY distorted. The whole trip lasted about an 1.5-2 hrs for the strong effects but it seemed like FOREVER. He was also very dehydrated and found it hard to get the damn cherry taste out of his mouth. Also, this person has taken many trips on acid and several shroom trips and has never had anything as scary as this experience. Several times he wondered if he would make it through it alive. Probably due to the fact that it was an unknown experience. 4 hrs after taking the tussin he was driven home from teh friends' place he was at. He through up twice between the stairs and the door to his room. Apparently the car ride had disturbed his stomache. Luckily almost all he had in his stomach was liquid from drinking. Coming down took a while. Effects were very similar to coming down off of acid. Unable to sleep, small muscle jitters. All in all something he would never do again and which is really going to turn him off of drugs for a while, if not forever. Ick. Recmmendation: If you want to try tussin, don't do too large of an amount. Stick to the lower amounts for the buzzing effect. Similar to being drunk. This is NOT just like taking acid :) This was worse of a trip than my friend ever had on acid or shrooms. -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 ============================================================================= From: jane@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Jane Ellis) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Tussin can be BAD! Message-ID: <1993Sep27.215556.20756@unislc.slc.unisys.com> Date: 27 Sep 93 21:55:56 GMT the following is an experience related by a FOAF. i am posting this for him as a favor, but not on my own account (i don't have access to the annon service). in other words, the person who's name is associated with this post is completely innocent (and foolish for leaving their terminal logged in). also, i don't know him/her, and he/she doesn't know me, so don't bother asking. here it is: . . . I always wanted to know what an acid trip was like, and I heard that you can get the same effects with DM cough syrup, so I went to the drug store and picked up a 4 oz (120 mL) bottle of extra strength DM "tussin" cough syrup. It was an in-store brand comparable to extra strength Robitussin. The specs on the bottle said: Ingredients per teaspoonful (5 mL) Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide, USP 15 mg in syrup with Alcohol 1.4%. These were the only ingredients. The first time, I was a little nervous, so I only took 120 mg of DM (40 mL or 8 teaspoons or 1/3 of the bottle). Within an hour or two, I started feeling a mild buzz. I was talkative and I seemed to notice colors and lights a little more than usual. These mild effects lasted about 5 hours before I felt like it was totally worn off. The next day, I got a little bolder. I downed the remaining portion of the bottle. This amounted to 240 mg (80 mL or 16 teaspoons or 2/3 of the bottle). I ate some food both times, so this may have delayed the start of the effects. Perhaps there was a little bit left in my system from the day before. I was sitting down, doing some reading, and nothing happened for well over an hour or maybe two hours. Then, all of the sudden, I got a severe heat flash. It felt like a sick wave flowing over my entire body. I could even feel a strong buzzing (almost like pain) in the roots of my teeth. Every inch of skin on my body felt like it was next to a hot water bottle. I was very light headed and thought I was going to die. I quickly scribbled information on a piece of paper to tell anyone that found me what I had taken. The heat flash went away after what seemed like 5 or 10 minutes. Actually it was probably only a minute or two. I felt my forehead and it was dripping with sweat. I was ok for a while after that. I talked with a friend for about 10 or 15 minutes, but it seemed like hours. Again, I was very talkative. I felt like I was making sense, and having an enjoyable time. I just felt spacy. There were no visual hallucinations, but things did look a bit foggy. After my friend left I got several more heat flashes. They seemed to be getting closer together. Each time, I thought I was going to die or at least pass out. Each time it happened, I just kept telling myself, "I'm going go get throught this." over and over. VERY unpleasant! I walked around a little bit. My head seemed to be bobbing up and down like you feel while sitting in a small boat on the waves. Things were a little distorted. I felt like a midget walking down the hall. I had some difficulty talking coherently. My eyes started to burn, and my mouth became excessively dry. I couldn't concentrate on anything for more than a few seconds. I tried to focus on reality so I wouldn't loose control. I used to use MJ so I was able to keep from panicing, but it is still a scary to face the unknown. As the frequency of the heat flashes increased, I began to wonder if the DM was still getting into my system, and making things worse. I had serious doubts about whether or not I could get myself home in this condition. I determined that if things got any worse, that I might die, so I picked up a phone book and started looking for emergency numbers. I remember being totally frustrated because I knew I wanted to find a number to call to get help, but all I could do was flip the pages. I couldn't figure out exactly what to look up. Finally, I looked inside the front cover. 911 seemed a little drastic. The only other number was poison control. After several attempts, I finally dialed the number successfully. The problem was that I couldn't remember which digit I had just dialed or which one to dial next. I was quite incoherent on the phone, and had a lot of difficulty giving my address, phone number, etc. The lady told me that I had taken quite a lot, and that I should have someone take me to a hospital. I asked what might happen to me if I didn't go, and she said that I possibly could go into a coma and/or stop breathing. This scared me enought that I decided I needed to go in. I found a friend that was willing to take me in. Thank goodness for friends. In the Emergency Room, I experienced several more heat flashes. My heart rate was up to almost 120 beats per minute when I was at my calmest point. They pumped my stomach and put activated charcoal down me to absorb any remaining DM. That is an experience well worth avoiding! I even preferred the blood and urine tests to the gastric lavage. My nose and throat were quite sore for several days afterward. I started coming down in less that an hour after these treatments. The doctor told me that the dose wasn't fatal, but if I hadn't come in, I might have passed out, and probably would have continued to experience the symptoms for at least another 8 hours. It would have been a real trick to explain that one to my family. It was hard enough to explain as it was. DM seems to be much more toxic than I had anticipated. As I came down, my vision cleared up. I realized that the emergency sprinkler system in the ceiling was actually covered with dust. When I first got in there, it looked like it was covered with some crystaline jelly; I didn't even know it was a mild hallucination at the time. So, what good is a hallucination if you don't know it's a hallucination? I wonder what else I hallucinated. They let me go within about 4 hours after I was admitted to E.R. At that point, I had a significant head ache, like a heavy hangover. My nose ached deep inside where they had put the tube in. I think it took several more hours for my heart rate to go back to normal. There was also a jittery twitchy feeling in the back of my leggs. I didn't sleep well that night. The hangover feeling lasted for another day. Three days later, I took half of an imipramine (a prescription antidepressant left over from a legitimate prescription) because my head felt a little foggy. A few hours later, I got a miniature heat flash, and felt a little spacey. That never happened before when I was on these antidepressants. All in all, I think it was a VERY bad experience! Sure there were a few weird effects, but the negatives far outweighed the positives. The dose I took was significantly lower than what some people claim to have taken. I'm just glad I didn't chug the whole bottle at once. Perhaps some people's bodies can handle DM better than mine, but I have also noticed a large increase in people telling about bad experiences with it. I don't think it's a very good idea to take a chance with DM. But, if you do, please start with lower doses, let a few days pass between doses, and increase the doses gradually. Not like me where I took twice as much as the time before. As for me, I don't think I will ever take DM again! As for you, try something safer, or at least be very carefull! BTW, I now hear that the tussin high is quite a bit different than being high on LSD, so I guess I still don't know what acid is like. me ============================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 20:11:53 EDT From: kris kennedy Message-ID: <93270.201153KEK122@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: re:robein' I've taken Robitussin a few times (well, at least generic eqivalents with the same quantity of active ingredients) and frankly, I don't get it. The first time all I did was catch a few trails from a cigarette after drinking about 4 oz. I heard some interesting noises, and procede to get really ill. I mean, I thought I was going to have to go to the hospital because I felt like my stomach and intestines were on fire. My friends thought that was strange and we figured I probably had the flu or something. So I tried it again, this time drinking eith ounces and I felt even worse. The trip was definitely not worth the intense physical pain I felt for 36 hours afterwards. I'm not sure if this is a common thing or not, or if I'm just some freak with a sensitive stomach. Thanks, but I'll stick to illicit drugs that make me feel good, not one's that make me feel like I'm in hell! Kris ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Tussin Stuff Message-ID: <1993Sep27.220008.5678@msus1.msus.edu> From: johnsoncl@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 27 Sep 93 22:00:08 -0600 Ok, I have done the Tussin Toss quite a number of times in the last nine months or so. Other drugs are very hard to come by for an introvert, but alas, the grocery stores are always open to the young wanting to pollute their minds with something more interesting and less plain old degrading than alcohol. Moot point anyway. I would say that I have done the toss about 15-20 times at least, and have just started up again after giving my body a 3 month breather Anyhow, to get to the point, I drank a 4ozer of Robo Max Strength Cold and Cough the other evening. (Personal aside: This is the best deal for the money, because of it's lack of nasty things like Guaffesin. Although, some may not be able to handle the high amounts of Pseudo Ephedrine in it. YMMV) I remember vaguely back in my mind the constant rumors about how Vitamin C has an effect on hallucinations and the such. So I pick up a big bottle of OJ along with my cold medication (hey, the cashier must've thought I was really down with a bad cold). I drank the foul medicine and waited the 45 or so minutes for the effects to kick in. I had a couple of cigarettes in the meantime (don't chide me for tobacco use, please), and felt pretty much the normal effects. Well, thinking that I was beginning to hit my normal threshold , I began drinking some of the orange juice to wash some of the taste out of my mouth. Within 20 or so minutes, I had finished about half of the orange juice, and began feeling, well, different. Normally, I am used to a euphoric feeling when I take tussin, a sort of drunkeness, and a high amount of energy (probably because of the super-doses of Ephedrine involved). But this time, I had all the normal effects, plus much more increased visuals. Normally, I do not have much in the way of visuals (on any drug, actually), so it kind of suprised me. Things were definately a little haywire. I had a hard time with control of my body, too. I felt much more stoned than ever before. Could this have been just a psychological reaction? Perhaps my mind was telling me, hey, your doing OJ with it. Let's play with him a little bit. Anyhow, just relating a bit of my experience. I've been reading a lot of the messages on here about all the people having bad experiences. I feel sorry for them, truly, especially if you ended u up in a hospital. I have personally had no problems with DM. Sure, it makes my stomach mightly upset for the next couple days, and urination becomes a bit of a hassle during the actual trip, not to mention the sleep loss. But nothing life threatening, at least, not yet. I warn anyone with a weak stomach, or some sort of previous bad experience with the stuff to just forget it, you don't need it that bad if it's going to be nothing but problems. A depressed little soul who only feels truly alive under the influence (and hates himself for it) --Chris ============================================================================= Message-ID: <191318Z28091993@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an38503@anon.penet.fi Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 19:08:48 UTC Subject: Re: Tussin can be BAD! In article <1993Sep27.215556.20756@unislc.slc.unisys.com> jane@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Jane Ellis) writes: >Ingredients per teaspoonful (5 mL) > Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide, USP 15 mg > in syrup with Alcohol 1.4%. >These were the only ingredients. > My girlfriend and I decided to try this. We also used a store brand, ingredients same as listed above. We bought an 8oz bottle and split it, total DXM per person ~360mg. We had a good time. We both thought it was more like being really drunk without a reason (i.e. we knew we hadn't consumed any alcohol), than like our (admittedly few) experiences with LSD. That is to say that the disorientation and loss of motor control seemed more like a drunk than an LSD trip, and those were the predominant effects. I experienced all the same things that the "anonymous poster who used Jane Ellis' account" listed below: > Things were a little distorted. I felt like a midget >walking down the hall. I had some difficulty talking >coherently. ...and my mouth became >excessively dry. The midget effect was pretty cool--not like being drunk, I admit. It only lasted a few seconds, though :-(. After a couple hours, I started to get hungry. I couldn't figure out what I wanted to eat, though, and any specific food item I thought of made me feel like I was gonna puke. Even water. This was sorta bad, because I got dehydrated-feeling, and woke up the next morning with one of those really splitting behind-the-eyes you-didn't-drink-any-water-before-going-to-bed hangover-type headaches. With tylenol and advil, it took all the next day to get rid of that headache. We both had bouts of the itchies. They passed. The worst was when my ears (which, BTW, were buzzing loudly at that moment) started to itch way down deep inside. Ugh. In my comparison to the 3-4 times I've tried LSD, I have to say that this was fundamentally different. When an LSD trip hits me, I get really excitable. Jittery. Heart rate goes up, sweat, jump around, etc. When this stuff hit, I felt dopey. Like there was a cloud descending over my brain. I was light headed & quite dizzy, and certainly didn't feel like jumping around. All in all, not a bad experience, but not an exceptional one. My girlfriend also said she liked it, but she had a slight headache the next day too. I should also mention that we had just moved the day we tried this, and we were both exceptionally tired, muscle-achy, etc. Even still, we didn't have the horrible experiences other people have reported. Cheers! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: WSTATLER@HOLONET.NET Subject: Re: Tussin can be BAD! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 23:18:23 GMT [quoted text deleted -cak] Just wanted to mention that FOAF -- oh, hell, it was _me_, FOAF can take a hike! -- had a very similar reaction to a mere 150 mg of dextromethorphan HBr (from Robitussin Maximum Strength Cough). I took the DM a few hours after lunch. One hour later, I had a small snack of cheese, pretzels and ginger ale, which was probably a bad idea. I spent most of the next hour sitting on the couch trying to ignore waves of nausea. My Loyal Assistant brought me a large "security bucket", just in case. At about the 2 hour mark, I ate an antacid. This was rather like pressing the ignition button for the Space Shuttle. I became very uncomfortable physically in a way that's hard to describe -- hot, sweating, panting rapidly, "buzzing" feeling all over. This was so intense that it took me about 15 seconds to realize that I was also about to vomit. I managed to make it from the couch to the floor, where my bucket was, and the two of us became good friends for a couple of minutes. When I could think again, I realized that my whole body, especially my hands, had been/were still "buzzing" -- it felt something like a continuous AC electric shock combined with "pins and needles" like when your arm goes to sleep. Loyal Assistant tells me I was panting rapidly throughout the whole episode, so hyperventilation may have contributed to the effects. I don't think this was a "set and setting" problem, as someone suggested. My DM dose was rather low, and the psychoactive effects were comparable in magnitude to what I'd get from a few glasses of wine. My guess is that my body pressed the YOU HAVE BEEN POISONED red-alert button, and took emergency measures to dump my stomach and "save" me. Afterwards, I felt pretty good, although still a little nauseous. In fact, the whole experience was so vivid and memorable that I can almost say I enjoyed it (although I'm not in a big hurry to try it again!). It looks like there's a _lot_ of individual variation in reactions to DM. I seem to be unusually susceptible to the negative effects, unfortunately (although I might do better on a completely empty stomach). My suggestions from my limited experiences: treat DM like a serious drug, experiment with low doses first, and have a sober friend available to take care of you. Oh, and DON'T DRIVE for 2 days! I know someone who had a pleasant DM experience, felt totally sober and normal the next morning, and proceeded to try to make a right turn into the left lane of an empty divided roadway as if driving in England. I can't prove that this was an after-effect of the DM, but I think it would be best to err on the side of caution. =================================== Bill Statler (wstatler@holonet.net) Pasco, Washington, USA ============================================================================= From: suippis@himlen.pulp.nullnet.fi (Petri Wallenius) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: About DXM HBr (Robo) ?????? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Dec 93 18:21:10 EET I have heard people having great time with DXM, but it didn't work for me. Does anyone know what's the problem. I took 375 mg of Dextrometorphan hydrobromide. Is that right compound ? If it is did I take enuff ? Or am I some kind of tolerated to that stuff ? Should I try again with greater dose ? Any help is greatly valued. Thanks, ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: bunbury@cscns.com () Subject: Re: Robitussin DM? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 05:06:45 GMT [quoted text deleted -cak] I just thought I would relate *my* experience with robo. I drank a 4 oz bottle of d-methorphan syrup (no guifenisen). While the high was not exactly unpleasant it was definitely fucked up wierd. sort of a dreamy stupor, didn't care what was going on around me, etc. the two side effects, were: one It was very difficult to urinate (this effect lasted for a couple of days), and two, the dopiness lasted (gradually wearing off) for three days. If you try robo, don't plan on going to work or doing anything significant for a couple of days, perahps you will be able to, but I couldn't, and you might not either. In conclusion, I would have to say that one has to be feeling VERY dysphoric, and/or desperate for a high to take robo. it definitely will get you fucked up, but pleasure? not much if any. ============================================================================= Message-ID: <005302Z25011994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an45874@anon.penet.fi Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 00:45:56 UTC Subject: Dextromethorphan Experience DISCLAIMER: The following describes one person's experience in taking an over-the-counter (OTC) cough medicine in excess of the package's maximum recommended dose. In no way does this post recommend, suggest, or imply that you are safe doing the same. It is meant for informational purposes only and should not be considered an exhaustive examination of the subject. It is the responsibility of the individual to inform themselves of the risks involved in any activity before they participate. You, and you alone, are responsible for your actions and their results. REMEMBER YOU ARE PLAYING WITH YOUR LIFE! JUST SAY KNOW! In an attempt to advance the net.wisdom.cough_syrup I have posted a friend's account of an experience with dextromethorphan, an OTC cough suppressant. Please no flames about his choice of inebriant, suffice to say the WOsD has made preferred choices difficult to obtain. Desperate men -> desperate actions. THE PLAYERS: One 81 kilogram human male. Drixoral(*) Cough Liquid Caps - 10 capsules @ 30 mg each = 300 mg Eckerd(*) Tussin Maximum Strength - 2 oz. @ 120 mg each = 240 mg. Total dose = 6.6 mg/kg. THE SETTTING: My House (bedroom mostly), daytime THE SET: I took the day off (my birthday) to do this. In general I'm kinda bummed that I have no way to get to more appropriate (for me) (but illegal) substances. No way, however, that does not risk a total collapse of the straight, upstanding reality in which I must live. Other than that I'm doing OK. THE CRONOLOGY: 0730: Cold cereal & coffee breakfast. 0830: Took Drixoral (300 mg.) 0930: No effects, took Tussin (240 mg.) 1000: Diffuclty walking without noticable effects (but I think I was able to.) Not unlike mild alcohol inebriation. 1030: Everything kicks in. (I think the caps took a while to dissolve) Only severe motor control difficulties and a general loss of tactile sensation. Layed down. At this point I spent the next 3 hours lying in bed, not out of necessity, I just didn't feel like moving. I alternated between eyes-open and eyes-closed 'images'. Not acid-like hallucinations, more like visions. Static, unchanging (as opposed to 'melting' or 'swirling') images. I distinctly remember three: The bedspread looked like a far-off mountain range; my leg looked like it was hundreds of feet long, and I remember the peculiar feeling of rotating in a plane in both directions at once (like alcohol 'spins') with no feeling of nasuea. This was accompanied by the inexplicable visual equivalent (of spinning both ways at once). There was a period when I was beset by words rather than images. At some point I crawled across the room and pet the cat. I believe that walking would have been practically impossible. There were no periods of ego-loss or understanding the mysteries of existance, no epiphanies experienced, no greater truths discovered. But hey, it's a narcotic, not a hallucinogen. 1330: Made it onto the couch, watched TV. Feeling pretty much 'normal' except for an unplesant, whole-body 'ache' and lack of motor skills. 1600: Able to move about almost normally, ache dimishing. Tried to eat a cookie (could only nibble) and drink some Diet Coke(*) (could only sip. WAY to sweet). No nausea. 1700: Able to 'fake' normality (movement, conversation). The ache continued for another 36 hours, I had very little appetite that evening and the next day. Never felt nauseous. All in all I doubt that I will do it again. [text deleted -cak] * Drixoral, Eckerd, and Diet Coke are registered trademarks or trade names. About all the disclaimers, references & trademarks - Better safe than sorry ;^) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= From: Adam Malter Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: Robitussin DM Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 09:38:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <67.15907.706.0N415B99@bgbbs.com> Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 9-Feb-94 Robitussin DM by Rocky Frisco@bgbbs.com > If our government would stop the War on Pot, you wouldn't consider doing > all this stupid poison just to get a buzz. > uhhhh... Not to be picky and this is just my own PERSONAL view but I like getting Robo'd much more then getting stoned. (Not that getting stoned is bad :) Robo is a much more mental trip. When your stoned you can say "Whoo man I am fucked up..." With dex (dextromethorphan that is) you almost can't tell that its a chemical making you feel good. Its very subtle but strong at the same time. You just feel excellent. You feel free and everyone around seems so nice. Music can become something more then just music, On one trip I was in a coffehouse and it felt like I was swimming in a wild rushing torrent of musical notes. One of the most pleasurable expierences of my life. I do not get that empty headed feeling I get with pot. It also lasts much longer (for me, I know people that pot lasts longer for them). Off 6 ozs or so I can get 6 to 8 eight hours of incredible and intense tripping. For everyone who hasn't tried it, trust me it is not a cheap buzz. Drinking 6 ozs can be one of the funest things you can do. PS- It can also be real cheap if go to the right place. While real Robitussin can be $5.00 a 4 oz bottle Rite Aid Cough Formula has more Dex in it, less impurities and costs $3.50 for 8 ozs. I think the 10% alcohol in the Rite Aid helps it become more intense also. -Adam Malter ============================================================================= From: x (x) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: Robitussin DM Date: 15 Feb 1994 06:41:52 GMT Message-ID: I ate 25 Vick's gel caps containing 30mg of DM each friday night at about 10:30pm. i was up until 11 the next morning, and fried until about 7am. it didn't help that the gelcaps also had pseudoephedrine in them, of course. but it was fantastic. i stayed up at a party with two other stoned guys 'till 6am. it's very comforting to just listen to someone talk when on robo, and one guy talked for about 5 hours straight. it was fantastic. i was in another world, and really uncoordinated. it's difficult to describe, but sort of like mushrooms without the visuals or emotional surges. you're out of it but you can still function, sort of. plus you can smoke like a fiend and not feel a thing, so you can indulge your nervous habits. but every physical movement was a labor. maybe kind of like being a bit right-brain impaired. definitely recommended. you can steal packs of gel caps easily from any large grocery store. just stay away from the guafenisen, or however you spell it. it's hard to keep down and only gets in the way. i've also eaten Delsym with polystirex - it's not as intense, but then i only drank one bottle. might want to try two. ============================================================================= Message-ID: <002311Z17021994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an50600@anon.penet.fi (Mr. B) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 00:22:43 UTC Subject: Robo Testimonial Let me provide my testimonial about roboing. Yesterday I picked up an 8 oz. bottle of generic brand extra-strength cough syrup, containing only Dextro as its active ingredient. I immediately downed somewhere under 4 oz. of the stuff. Taste wasn't as bad as I expected. Chugged a good deal of water to wash it down anyway, and nibbled on some bread. Nausea was not a problem at all. About an hour later it started to hit. Motor skills were definitely impaired. Pupils were very large. I felt like I was on shrooms, but without mood-alterations or significant visuals. Television images appeared to be moving in slow motion like when on acid. Unlike what I've heard posted here, music did not sound very interesting. This was a big disappointment since claims to the contrary were what convinced me to give it a try. I did not feel particularly euphoric or bad. My mood was essentially an unchanged neutral, which was wierd since in other respects I was definitely "tripping". I kept saying to myself, "OK, the good part of the trip should be coming soon..." but it never did! Walking was definitely difficult, although mental functioning seemed to be OK. I carried on many conversations with little difficulty, in contrast to my experiences with shrooms and 'cid. I was hoping the amount I consumed would be a mild dose, but I must say I was significantly affected. I can't imagine what would have happened if I finished the bottle! It's now 16 hours after the initial consumption. I slept fine last night, but I still feel the effects. My pupils are still huge and I still feel like my motor skills are impaired. (I'm typing much slower now than my usual 100 wpm.). Is this usual for these effects to persist for so long? It's kinda a pain because I have work to do! Wierd body chemistry I guess. In short, I guess it was worth the experience but I can't see any reason to try it again. It's lasting longer than any shroom or acid trip I've ever had, and it just ain't nearly as much fun. I'll stick with pot thank you. Mr. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= Message-ID: <101309Z18021994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an73187@anon.penet.fi Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 10:08:17 UTC Subject: dextromethorphan hydrobromide allergy This is obviously not a common reaction to dextromethorphan hydrobromide but since mine was so severe I felt I should share it for the sake of others who may be using themselves as a lab animal for dextromethorphan hydrobromide research. I was using Robotussin Extra Strength since it seems to have only dextromethorphan hydrobromide as an active ingrediant, 15 mg per teaspoon. I took 4 ounces of this. After about an hour and a half, I got intense itching on my scalp. This spread over the next hour to the rest of my body. I took my clothes off and found that my entire body was bright red and was swelling - my face was getting tight and my eyes were swelling shut. At that time I took 2 Benedryl and waited out the 20 minutes. Thankfully, the reaction was stopped. This was a sufficiently serious reaction that had the Benedryl not helped within 20 minutes, I would have headed for the hospital. I did not relish the idea of telling them I had drank a half a bottle of cough medicine - when I was a kid only real down and out types resorted to cough medicine for getting high (it was about one step above drinking antifreezei (don't drink antifreeze - it WILL kill you. I know, I found a body on the back step once)).ATZ Have fun, but stay safe. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: begenisi@Oswego.EDU (John M Begenisich ) Subject: Robo Experience Message-ID: <1994Mar6.233505.8871@oswego.Oswego.EDU> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 23:35:05 GMT *We walked about four miles to the supermarket and back so maybe fatigue had a part to play.* --Upon arriving at supermarket, we looked at various Robitussin's and chose the CF variety (as it had the most unpronounceable chemicals). --Walked home. --10:40--Consumed 4oz. in rapid succession. --10:50--Felt "weird" --11:00--Consumed 2oz. more --11:05--(Ian) "I can feel my individual hairs on my head" (Eric) zoning out --11:15--(Ian) feels fucked up. (Eric) still zoning --11:18--(Ian) puked, feels A LOT better --11:20--(Eric) can now feel hair (as if standing on end) --11:25--(Ian & Eric) zoning HARD --11:30--(Eric) puked (very easy to vomit), feels much better --11:45--(Ian & Eric) Royally *FUCKED* Personality disappears into the back of the mind. Heightened awareness, very floaty feeling. Warm sensations everywhere, extremely flushed face. --11:55--(Eric) Diarrhea hits. Hard. New meaning to word "runs." Pure liquid fecal matter. Extreme fear of dehydration. Consumed approx. 200 oz. of water. (Yes, 200) --12:30--(Ian) Intense stomach pains. "Damn, I wish we got a bag instead." There goes my hair again. --12:45--Lost Eric in bathroom. Still shitting water. Both of us have "out of body" feeling. Very lightheaded. --12:53--(Ian) Fuzzy brain. Stomach pains come in waves. Feel great when stomach is calm. --1:25-- (Ian) Now I have the shits. Ass on fire. I've never gone to the bathroom like this before, ever. --1:45-- Beginning to wear off. Planning to scrape bowl to soothe stomach. (Where is that resin) --1:50-- Both of us took 2 Imodium AD to plug the bowels from Hell. Immediately feel better. Shits end. Thank god for modern science. --2:18-- Feel stoned. Good resin. Stomach pains gone, effects of robo almost completely gone. Zone out really hard looking at the TV. --3:00-- Time for bed. No mo ROBO!!! At 11:55, my roomate (who was sober) wrote up his observations of Eric and my trip. 11:55-- Ian is flushed, a little babbling, still coherent. Complaining about stomach. Eric is whining a lot about stomach and the shits. Both feel numb, esp. numb scalps. Ian says "intestines are gurgling, I can feel my brain. Eric is scared of dying. They want joints. Both can "breathe so good" (we drank one hell of a lot of decongestant! -Ian) Ian feels fake, "zoned." John waves pencil in front of Ian's face to bring him back. Eric has shits. They want to watch Conan. "I couldn't get it up to save my life." (unclaimed quote) Eric zones on Conan. Have fun boys. I don't know what you'll learn from this, our only recommendation is to NOT robo. It's an interesting high, but it feels totally synthetic and you spend half of your trip in the bathroom. If you are that hard up for a high counseling may be in order. From now on we're sticking to the all natural mj and 'shrooms. (God's food) Hope you learned something, Eric and Ian ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX iobrien@oswego.oswego.edu (Ian O'Brien) Ernest Borgnine was eschmidt@oswego.oswego.edu (Eric Schmidt) a hero to most, but he's no Larry Bagina. FOUNDING FATHERS OF THE LARRY BAGINA FAN CLUB *LBFC FOREVER* email for info on LBFC :-) (-: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ============================================================================= Message-ID: <022309Z19021994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an50600@anon.penet.fi (Mr. B) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 02:17:27 UTC Subject: Re: Robo Testimonial > > I kept saying to myself, > > "OK, the good part of the trip should be coming soon..." but it > > never did! > This is normal.. You had well what is the robo analogue of a bad trip. > On Robo if you have a bad trip, it doesn't really do anything bad, it > just doesn't do anything. I find that how my trip is has alot to do with > where I am and most IMPORTANTLY who I am with. People you don't like can > cause your robo trip to go right down the drain. Next time your really > bored try it again, with lots of people you like. A really good place is > like at a coffeehouse or any other social place with good acoustic > music. Happy roboing My set and setting were fine. I was psyched and had set aside all sorts of excellent music to listen to. I was among people I was very comfortable with. I just don't think the drug mixed well with my body chemistry. As evidence, it is now 48 hours since I first took it and I STILL feel some effects of it behind my eyes. Let me remind the readers that I only took between 3-4 oz.. That, from what I hear, seems to be a rather small dose. Focusing my eyes is very tiring and I'm getting quite sick of this numbness I feel in my head. It's fading slowly but surely, though, so by tomorrow morning I'll probably be clear. I've never had any problems with provenly safe psychedelics like acid and shrooms (well, I got sick of my stomach on shrooms once, but it was nothing major). Once again, I never felt particularly bad, just rather neutral. Although, I can see how mixing the drug with pot might have improved things. Now, I've simply had enough of these uninteresting sensations and hope they go away soon! Anyone else have similar experiences with Robo? Mr. B ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= From: Todd A. Barnash Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Robo'ed for the first time last nite Date: 11 Mar 1994 16:12:13 GMT Message-ID: <2lq58tINNdil@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> After reading, and printing out pages and pages of info on tripping from Robitussin, I decided to try it last night. I bought two 4-ounce bottles of the Robo Maximum Strength Cough (only active ingred= dextro hydrobromide) for about seven dollars at a supermarket. I downed one bottle of the nasty stuff at about 6pm, afterwhich I smoked a good size bowl. Since I was quite stoned (and on new weed) I didn't know when the effects started kicking in, I downed another two ounces from the second bottle, and by 7 pm I was starting to feel quite weird. Lemme just say, first, that I am fairly well experienced with other assorted psychoactives- I tried this out of curiousity since Robo is, of course, cheap and plentiful. By 7:15 or so my eyes felt very heavy and, as for the rest of the night, wouldn't focus in once place for very long... So, as any good tripper will do, I turned off the lights :-) I wasn't getting much in the way of hallucinations at that time anyway. Music sounded "thin and boring" compared to LSD or Psilocybin, and I started becoming too disoriented and unbalanced to walk anywhere. I closed my eyes for a while and enjoyed the show- this stuff gave a big coloful boost to my imagination, and had somewhat the same "mind-tripping" effects other psychoacts. give. I felt a bit of stomach discomfort, which is understandable looking back on how much of it I drank. I ended up just smoking some more green and trying to sleep it off. All in all, it was a pretty heavy buzz, but not very entertaining and I doubt I would do it again. ============================================================================= From: jgwacker@iastate.edu (Jay) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: Robo Testimonial Date: 20 Feb 1994 15:40:48 GMT Message-ID: <2k80a0$pi9@news.iastate.edu> [quoted text deleted -cak] I tried my first robodose this friday. I went up to walmarts and bought 8oz of Vicks 44. I was planning on doing it with a friend, but right after I had downed about 2oz(of the 4 that I did) a girl called and asked me on a date. Well, I asked my friend that I was dosing with if it would be alright if I ditched him. He said it was fine(knowing that I don't get too many dates, especially good looking ones). I finished off the other 2 oz, then I met her at a smoking hall. We sat around and talked awhile, I told her that I was drugged and that I may not be completely coherent throughout the night ;) We couldn't find a movie to watch, so we went back to my place(she was driving, obviously) and talked a bit more. I was just begining to feel the effects when we were talking at my house. (The initial were having trouble walking, and a slight distortion in background noise) During when we talked, I had "Indiffence" by Pearl Jam on... the music felt great, it just ran through my body. My whole body and mind felt as if they were new, like I was five years old again. I actually managed to hold a decent conversation. I went to put in The Wall (movie) by Pink Floyd. We sat back on my bed and watched it, this is when the visual distortions began to come on. At first there were slight trails, then there were waves, like the fabric of the universe was flowing. At about "Another Brick in the Wall part 3" I couldn't get both my eyes in sync, one looked normal, the other was rotated off at 45'. By the end of The Wall, the effects were lessening, and I was still feeling good, no hard come down. She took me to get my car(I felt as if I could drive now), and we went back to her place. We sat down on her bed and talked for another 4 hours. A really good date, and a very good trip. In the morning, I felt fresh, a little tired because of only getting 3 hours of sleep, but no cotton mouth, no hang over. Unfortunately, my friend, who I ditched :(, went to a party and started puking. But he understood(although he says he'll never robodose again ;) I would recommend robodosing to anyone who can hold down the syrup...I think it was the best trip in my life. jay jgwacker@iastate.edu ============================================================================= Message-ID: <065314Z22031994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an34800@anon.penet.fi Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 06:49:58 UTC Subject: Drixoral/dextromethorphane Just thought I'd add another data point in our quest for the ultimate over- the-counter hallucinogen -- dextromethorphane, found in Robitussin DM, Drixoral, etc. First off, stay away from anything that combines dextromethorphane with guaifenisin -- guaifenisin, intended to clear your lungs, will give your horrible diarrhea at the psychoactive dosage level of dextromethorphane. I used Drixoral Liquid Caps, each of which is supposed to have 30mg of dextromethorphane, and I took a dose of 150mg, which, according to reports here on alt.drugs, is half the psychoactive dose of 300mg. I started feeling the effects of the liquid caps about 30 minutes after taking them, indicating that the liquid was released faster that I would have thought. I noticed that I had trouble balancing -- walking caused a little vertigo. Also, I had a hard time unclenching my jaw, and when I wasn't thinking about it, my teeth would chatter as if I was cold. I did not notice any hallucinations, but I did notice some interesting perspective changes. Just when I thought that I had taken too low a dose for interesting visuals and I decided to go to bed, as soon as I closed my eyes I noticed that rather than seeing the normal random patterns of closed eyelids, that out of the darkness were forming kaleidescopic patterns, interlocking and turning, like patterns on a turkish prayer rug. If I concentrated on visualizing something, it would spring into being behind my eyelids in full color -- really very startling. Dextromethorphane seems to interfere with REM sleep, so that come morning, I was still tired, and I ended up going back to sleep for another 8 hours. I would say that dextromethorphane, like many hallucinogens, is best used when you have some free time to recover. So, that was my experience with 150mg -- let's hear some more experiences and stay away from guaifenisin! Hannibal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= From: sirdeaths@aol.com (SirDeath S) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: My first Dextromethorphan experience Date: 29 Mar 1994 18:27:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2nadg6$g83@search01.news.aol.com> Got ahold of 2 4-oz bottles of "Father John's Medicine"--10mg DXM per 5ml "dose" = 236mg per bottle. It took me nearly 10 minutes to down the first bottle--it was a thick black sludge that was supposed to be licorice but smelled (&tasted) much like FlyNap (that stuff at school that we use to temporarily knock out fruit-flies). Needless to say, I was already feeling nauseous and decided against trying to consume the second bottle. By about 45 minutes after consuming the liquid, I began to notice some unusual effects... the radio (I was listening to a talk show) began making wierd almost flange-like effects... I stuttered somewhat when I tried to speak (I do not normally have this problem). About an hour into this, I switched the radio over to an REM CD. The music was more beautiful than I have ever heard it before--each note was intense and vibrant. I stood up and discovered a floating, some- what euphoric feeling with a little cloudiness of thought. These effects seem to be virtually identical to that of Vicodin (sp?), a narcotic painkiller I had had prescribed for me following outpatient ear surgery last spring. The nausea became extremely intense over the next several minutes, and I finally began vomiting violently into my trash can--however, almost IMMEDIATELY afterwards, I felt much, much better. My head felt big and swollen (not at all unpleasant, however) and the euphoria felt when walking around was exponentially more intense. Co-ordination seemed to be impaired--I tried playing "Tetris" on my computer only to find it impossible to think and act properly. I definately would not want to drive in this condition. After about four and a half hours, I began to come down gradually. No "crash" at all--I didn't even fall asleep (as I do with almost every other substance I've tried). By about six and a half hours, I was feeling no effects whatsoever and was able to continue with the rest of my day. In short, I would try DXM again (just not in that vile toxic waste form). I'd recommend taking an meclizine antiemetic (e.g. Bonine or Dramamine II)--NOT, however, a dimenhydrinate one (e.g. Dramamine) as this causes drowsiness--to control the nausea. @@@@@ @ @ @ Sir Death @ @ @ Peace --------- @ @ @ @ @@@ @ Love aka Roger Plyer @ @ @ @ @ 3813 Windber Blvd @@ @ @@ Spam Palm Harbor, FL 34685-1133 @ @ @ tel. 813/787-2741 @@@@@ ============================================================================= Message-ID: <115303Z30031994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an34800@anon.penet.fi Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 11:47:16 UTC Subject: more DXM datapoints Well, after reading the DXM FAQ posted here (thanks for the very informative FAQ, BTW), I have to conclude that I am one of those people who don't have the DXM-processing enzyme on my liver and that is the reason I find DXM unpleasant enough to stop taking. In my last DXM experiment, I took 240 mg of DXM in the form of 8 Drixoral liquid-caps. I was almost immediately (within 30 minutes) so sleepy that it was hard to stay awake for the rather mild hallucinogenic effects. Finally I went to sleep. For the next four days, I had the following symptoms: - muscle twitches, especially in the hands and jaw muscles, enough to make my teeth chatter uncontrollably - difficulty with urination and orgasm -- almost like the prostate was locked up (I have no history of prostate problems -- I'm 29) - bouts of extreme sleepiness throughout the day, despite 8 hours of sleep Obviously, DXM affects everyone differently, but I had a bad enough trip so that I told my brother not to try it. DXM -- your mileage may vary!!! Hannibal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= From: sirdeaths@aol.com (SirDeath S) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: My first Dextromethorphan experience Date: 31 Mar 1994 10:08:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2nep0i$hnf@search01.news.aol.com> In article , bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes: >>Did you make sure there were no active ingredients listed other than >>DXM? My guess is that there was guaifenesin in the syrup. At high >>dosages it is strongly emetic. No--worse than that. I discovered that among the "inactive ingredients" was ...ugh... CASTOR OIL! Blarg! >>Meclizine can, in fact, cause drowsiness Although it's sold as a "non-drowsy" formula? I know Dimenhydrinate puts me out quick but have never experienced the slightest effect from Meclizine. >>DXM by itself shouldn't cause nausea Probably right. I'm blaming the castor oil. Thanx for the help--got ahold of some Robo & will be trying that later today. @@@@@ @ @ @ Sir Death @ @ @ Peace --------- @ @ @ @ @@@ @ Love aka Roger Plyer @ @ @ @ @ 3813 Windber Blvd @@ @ @@ Spam Palm Harbor, FL 34685-1133 @ @ @ tel. 813/787-2741 @@@@@ ============================================================================= Message-ID: <185309Z31031994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an50600@anon.penet.fi (Mr. B) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 18:47:21 UTC Subject: more DXM datapoints [quoted text deleted -cak] My experience with Robo wasn't quite as bad, but remarkably similar. I took a similar size dose my first try (about 3.5 oz. of a generic equivalent to Robo extra strength cough). I didn't fall asleep immediately, and was able to enjoy the "peak" (which I found rather unremarkable, as I stated in a previous post now in the DXM FAQ). But, I too suffered after-effects for the next four days. My pupils were severely dialated for over 24 hours after ingestion, so my experiences were clearly not entirely psychological. I had no muscle twitches, but I had this really annoying tightness in the muscles in my head which made it difficult to concentrate. I also had severe hot-flashes around 3 days after ingestion which were really bizarre and a bit frightening. Sex was entirely out of the question, but that could have been partially due to anxiety since I thought I had broken my brain. To those trying DXM for the first time, I'd recommend trying a small amount (< 2 oz.) to make sure you aren't one of us weirdo's without that enzyme required to break it down. That, or be prepared to waste of about 3-4 days to very annoying after-effects. Keep in mind I've had no trouble with most other common psychedelic drugs--I've never even had a bad trip despite multiple "experiences". Now that I know I'm not the only one with this problem, I'd like to get this information added to the DXM FAQ so that others may be spared this experience. Mr. B ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: david_mcintire@cts.qms.com (David McIntyre) Subject: Re: ROBO!!!!! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:50:34 CST In article quadra@iastate.edu (Steven E. Hoiberg) writes: >>Try the Drixoral Cough Caps. 30mg DXM/cap, and nothing else. RATHER >>effective. Remind me to tell you about it some day. >>-- >NO NEED TO WAIT! >Tell us now. =) I had to wait until I could compose my thoughts. You asked for it... I have in the past toyed around with 4-6oz of liquid Tussin, Robo, etc with and without guaifenesin (sp?). My experiences were interesting and fun, but nothing as moving as taking two boxes of 10 Drixoral Cough Caps. Last Friday, I decided to go for broke and take 2 boxes. I started my journey about 8pm. Finished the pills in a span of about 30 minutes. About 30-45 minutes later, I started feeling the familiar effects of drowsiness. I decided that it would be best to get out and do something before I fell asleep and wasted my time. It was about 9:00, so I went to my favorite alternative club where there was an awesome "mind candy" band called Mindseye playing. There weren't more than 20 people in the club including the two bands that were playing. I just kicked back in a booth, closed my eyes, and went on an internal trip that lasted at least 45 minutes, although it felt like hours. I had a sensation of moving into a higher realm of thought. I was so focused on the music that it became a part of my consciousness and my being. Openeing my eyes just became a letdown because it reminded me that I was in reality. :) So I just closed them again and enjoyed the phosphenes that were running rampant through my brain. The only part I didn't like was the feeling of being in a Doom game without the monsters. I felt like I was running through the corridors and riding the elevators. Oh, well. Nobody promised that it would be COMPLETELY enjoyable. Anyway, after the set, I went to the bar to order a Miller Lite. The barkeep said that they didn't have Miller Lite. I asked for Coors Light. He said he didn't have Coors Light. [blank stare with severely dilated pupils] "What light beers do you have?" "Lite." "Lite?" "Lite." "Lemme have that, then" "$1.50" ("Hey, great price", I thought) It was Miller Lite. Oh, well. It felt like I was arguing for 30 minutes. Gawd, I hate interacting with people in that condition. I staggered back to my booth (at least it FELT like staggering ... it felt REALLY weird to walk) and sipped my beer while watching the band take down their equipment. They looked like a bunch of worker bees from my perspective, and is was really interesting to watch. Drinking was an unusual experience, too. It was like the first time I had ever drunk anything. All my movements were very slow, methodical, and calculated. After I finished my beer, I went down to a techno club I had been meaning to visit. It was about midnight. I know that this is a big lapse in time. I guess I wasted 2 1/2 hours in that bar listeneing to the jukebox and watching the band. It was only 4 blocks, but the way my legs were moving, it felt like I was walking stiff-legged the whole way. Fortunately, it was a slow night on my city's version of Bourbon St., and I only passed about 5 people on the way. The doorman was the next big hurdle. Actually, I managed to keep myself fairly composed. He warned me that it was kinda slow, and I went into a repeat of the beer discussion. "Slow?" "Slow." "Okay." (trying to avoid giving myself away, even though my pupils filled my eyeballs) I handed him the two bucks he asked for and walked in. I found an empty couch and plopped down. It was heavily padded and had a low back. Perfect for slouching. The DJ was playing a fantastic mix of techno and classic rock. As the night wore on, she was playing almost constant techno. They have a light show that is really something to be seen. The dance floor is surrounded by mirrors that reflect the blue lights from the bar and make it look like a cityscape from the year 2020. VERY impressive in my condition. The only times I got up were to go to the john twice and to the bar once for water. Walking got stranger and stranger. I think I was having trouble keeping my balance, but I don't remember staggering. The worst part was the feeling that I was choking on my uvula. My mouth felt dry, and water wasn't helping. It must have been the anaesthetic effects of DXM. I stayed there for two hours in the same spot only moving the three times I mentioned. I was still not bored, but I figured that since it was 2am, it was about time to get home. This may have been a mistake. The streetlights had started tracing, and the blinking lights were playing hell on my perception. In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have driven home, but I was broke, so a cab was out of the question, and there was no way I could have sobered up. I didn't feel drunk. It just felt like all my surroundings were foreign. I payed extra-close attention to my driving, but still nearly jumped out of my skin at the sight of police. I got home in one piece and fell asleep to the mellow sounds of Pink Floyd's Ummagumma disc 2. I woke up around 9:30am, fully alert. Checked my eyes. Fully dilated. Made an excuse to get out of the house, wearing shades. Went to see a movie with a friend, which was pretty fun. I was still feeling a bit weird. The dark theater helped me relax. Got out of the movie and went home. My eyes were normal by this time, although I still felt a little strange. That feeling lasted until about 7pm. So the brunt of the trip laster about 12 hours and the after-effects lasted another 11. WOW! Will I try this again? Yes. Would I suggest that somebody else try this? Yes. What will I do next time? Take 3 boxes and drink more beer. I heard it is very synergistic. I did not see the colored blobs that people refer to, unless the light show was this effect, and I just didn't notice. :) Anyway, I had no nausea or other ill effects. I have sworn off the liquid stuff, because it's too hard to get down. -- david_mcintire@ 2 Opinions expressed 2 More fun than I cts.qms.com 3 are entirely my own 3 should be having fnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnord -- PGP 2.3a key available by finger ============================================================================= Message-ID: <165303Z11041994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an69985@anon.penet.fi Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 16:49:41 UTC Subject: DXM fails.... :( So what's the deal? Subject 1 ingested 3 30mg caplets, followed in two hours, by 2 more, followed in two more hours with 2 more... no perceptible results, or results so mild they might well have been placebo. Subject 2 ingested 5 30mg caps, followed four hours later with 2 more, same effect as S1. The next day, S2, a determined experimentor, broke 6 caps into a swallow of juice (tastes awful :) and still got nothing. Caps were from two seperate boxes of Drixoral cough caps, no other ingredients besides DXM-hbr.....no other drugs of any kind were present in the system.... Is there some magic "open-sesame" thing you gotta do with this stuff? What are the odds that two people, non-blood relations, would both have this Citochrome - 450 enzyme or whatever? Perhaps if the dose were doubled to more like 300mg instead of the 120-150 that seemed such a prudent figure given the DXM FAQ info...? (it was deemed desirable to avoid the second stage of the experience as it sounded from the descriptions far less pleasurable than the lo-dose effects...) Does the syrup work better than the caps? Or is this all a great big hoax put on by the DEA to lure us all out of the woodwork and down to the drugstore? Help please....it sounds real fun, if only it got you high :) - S1, S2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= From: lamontg@u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: DXM fails.... :( Date: 11 Apr 1994 21:08:15 GMT Message-ID: <2oce7v$gtg@news.u.washington.edu> an69985@anon.penet.fi writes: >Perhaps if the dose were doubled to more like 300mg instead of the 120-150 >that seemed such a prudent figure given the DXM FAQ info...? (it was >deemed desirable to avoid the second stage of the experience as it sounded >from the descriptions far less pleasurable than the lo-dose effects...) try taking at least ten+ of the pills at once -- be sure you're not getting anything besides DXM. That should give you over 300mg which should be psychoactive. >Or is this all a great big hoax put on by the DEA to lure us all out of the >woodwork and down to the drugstore? Its no hoax -- if you don't get off at all from 300-400mg you've got a bizzare metabolism. -- Lamont Granquist (lamontg@u.washington.edu) The Complete X-Generation Manifesto: We hereby resolve that attempts by older generations to blindly label and categorize things in an attempt to fit them into their defective world-view shall be condemned. The End. ============================================================================= From: cs125410@diff.csc.lsu.edu (CRAIG ALLEN JOHNSTON) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: My DXM experience, question... Date: 11 Apr 1994 17:58:53 GMT Message-ID: <2oc34t$1p8u@te6000.otc.lsu.edu> Well, I got around to doing this DXM thing this weekend. I drank a bit less than one third of an 8 oz bottle of Robo max. strength (whichever particular flavor has only DXM) so I estimate in the neighborhood of 220 mg of DXM. Now, I have done a lot of LSD in the past, and none of these weenie doses either...so I figured this would be pretty wimpy at the dosage I took (would have taken more, but I'm on paxil, an MAO inhibitor...wanted to test the waters..) Anyway, I was pretty much wrong. BTW I weigh about 160 lbs.. anyways, it took longer than I thought to really come on--don't have an exact figure but I might say 2 hours to peak? It's a strange drug. In some ways, I felt totally normal. Speaking normally was quite easy. Moving around and performing feats of dexterity, however, was not. In fact, the only problem with speaking felt like a lack of coordination of my mouth. Walking, after sitting down for 2 hours for dinner at a restaurant, was really bizarre. Could not feel myself touching the ground, felt certain I was walking funny and would be spotted--felt like I was taking baby steps. Vision was blurred. Food was totally nauseating--don't even think about it. Music was interesting, but perhaps a bit "flat." A very hard to describe trip, at least hard to describe after one shot-- don't know what was characteristic and what was that one trip. Don't underestimate this drug. Also--whatever the cost, the pill for is probably worth it. I did not think I would have so much trouble getting the shit down. I mixed it with OJ, even, and it was totally horrible. My question: anybody have sex on it yet? I was planning on it, but was a bit nauseated from the food I ate. (I believe) Worth doing? another question: anyone mix pot with this yet? LSD? effects? if not, any reasons not to? ============================================================================= From: bdesp@wpi.edu (B. Despres) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: dextromethorphane Date: 3 Apr 1994 08:49:57 GMT Message-ID: <2nlvvl$86h@bigboote.WPI.EDU> : Well, Ben, my friend, its a rather largish trip. : 6 or 8 ounces of robo, if your body can take it (i.e. not puke or itch or : whatever these folks say happens) is one of the most exciting and : sensual trips i know of, but i usually feel like i can't really go : anywhere, which is too bad, sometimes. sorry abouyt not quoting, but i can't be bopthered. well, i'm currently on the tail enbd of a 250 mg dose of dxm, and fuck i feel *GOOD*. i can't imagine it being possible to have a bad trip on this shit. oh, man, i feel so good. well, if i can get this posted withougth screwing up roayally i will ta leastr remewmber it when i read this, and probably regret it... it's neat... ity's like being in a rpoom, with no lightsa except a whole bunch of tv's, and each tv is a different sensory input, and i have a few outputs toom but i can only play with ione atta time. so i cant think vetry well. oh, plese flame me, i am too happy to care. having tried this, i would definately reccomend it. i walked through the woods for 2 hours with a freibnd who aslo tried dxm for the first time... we had such fun, oh damn i can't see the keyboard anymore am i typing still? oh, i can see the screen so i am. i am going away. TRY DXM, IT'S FUN. - ben (i think???) ============================================================================= From: johannsn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Les Claypool is God) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Robo fun Date: 18 Apr 1994 05:34:52 GMT Message-ID: <2ot65s$cd1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I robo-ed for the first time in months this weekend. Did more than I ever had before, here's the story: 8:15 pm: Friend and I each take 5 Robitussin cough caps, and rinse them down with 4 oz of Robo DM syrup. Taste is worse than I remember. Wrigley Spearmint really helps kill the taste. 8:30ish: begin feally a little funky. Stomach is a little bit uncomfortable. Friend says she feels a little nauseous also. We ate before hand, so the stomach discomfort was not as bad as before. 8:45ish: Very light headed. Tracers begin showing up on just about everything. We get to another friends house, and sit down to watch tv. 9:00 : Seriously feeling effect. Head spinning slighty, not bad. Stomach discomfort gone. Limbs feel unconnected to body. I notice that I have been watching tv for 15 minutes, and have no idea what I am watching. TV sound is turned off and stereo is truned on. I find it very hard to concentrate on anything for more than about a second. Music, which I normally get into, I can't really listen to. Repeated attemps at conversation fail because I can't remember what I am saying as I say it. total inability to grasp concept of time. A friend's sentence take forever to finsh, and I completely forget what is said as soon as he is done. When I close my eyes, all sorts of incredible hallucinations kick in. When my eyes are open, I see everything as normal, but have NO idea what I'm looking at. 10:30ish Friend gets pizza. I am totally unable to eat. Wierd, seeing as how often I get the munchies. I can no longer move my head without totally losing contact with reality. As long as I am talking, I'm fine. Time flies and crawls at the same time. Truely wierd. Evening progresses until I have to leave(couldn't take beeing on that couch any longer) Midnight: Go back to friends house. Have to catch a ride because I am TOTALLY unable to operate an automobile, assuming I had driven in the first place. Lye down on floor. Carpet, which is normally uncomfortable, is quite nice right now. Close my eyes, and trip like a motherfucker. All sorts of weird shit flies through my head. It is suddenly half an hour later. I decide(for some stupid reason) that I need to walk home now. Normally about a mile, I can walk it in 15 minutes if I really take my time. As I walk, I realize that I don't feel connected to my legs, I'm just "floating" along, above the ground. I feel as if I'm going to fall any minute, but never do. I make it home, and down the stairs into my room. I make it into my bed, where I close my eyes, and trip out for another three hours, when my phone rings, and I end up explaining how to use Tlenet to one of my friends. After a rather lengthy conversation, I slip into unconsciousness completely. Next day: I am still totally out to lunch, and am still unable to grasp time. Things just fly by unnoticed. Kinda cool, kinda strange. I like it, but it better be gone by tommorow. That's it. Any questions? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ { Cory Johannsen }{ "She turned me into a newt" } { Computer Science }{ ..Silence.. } { johannsn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu {} "I got better" } ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ============================================================================= From: jonriley@indirect.com (Jon Riley) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Dextromethorphan experience Date: 2 Apr 1994 08:35:13 GMT Message-ID: <2njao1$4fd@herald.indirect.com> I tried posting this on Tuesday, but it does'nt seem to have gotten out, so here it is again... Well, after reading all the messages on experiences with cough syrup, I decided to try it for myself. Last friday, a friend and I went down to the local supermarket, read the ingredients on the back of the cough medicine boxes, did some simple dosage math, and settled on a 20 pack of Drixoral Cough Liquid caps. We took them at around 10:00 that night, and had a pretty good time. Here's a log of what happened. We were writing it as it happened while we could. 10:03 Both: Took 300mg(10 capsules) each of Drixoral Cough Liquid Caps... might have been a bit much for a first time try, but we were feeling daring...(and we wanted it to be good) :)... 10:47 Both: Think we're starting to get a general 'nice' feeling 10:57 Jon: Colors seem to be getting brighter. Listening to Nirvana's Bleach album, music seems kind of 'thin' but it's pretty easy to get into. 11:16 Jon: Colors realy bightening. 11:22 Jon: Gettin into it... Kurt does'nt seem to be having much fun yet.. 11:53 Both: Went outside to have a smoke and walk around. 12:07 Both: came back in, Jon: Things seemed to realy be setting in. I first noticed it when I walked back up the stairs to come back into the house. I felt very bouncy, as if I were going to keep floating up... I also felt it when I stood up from a chair. Around this time I also started to knotice things bouncing around a bit when I tried to fix my eyes on them. 12:20 I'm definately getting weird, Kurt still is'nt getting anything... 12:26 Turned off the lights and the monitor, stopped writing this log as things happened. Listened to music in the dark and had a pretty good time singing along. Now I popped in Nirvana's Nevermind. It was more melodic and cooler to listen to. I thought the more psychedelic parts of the music would be more stimulating, but it was realy basic song structure and melody that got me going... Time started to get distorted. Could'nt keep my eyes from wandering. 1:00(or so) Jon: Time getting realy distorted. Songs seem to last for hours, still nothing realy for Kurt.. We just lied around and listened... Things realy hit around 1:30... All I can say is that I was FUCKED *UP*!!! My memory from then on is realy screwed up, but I remember realizing just how fried I was when I found myself sitting up on the bed with my legs shaking, and asking kurt if they were shaking. He told me to stop shaking them (By now he seemed pretty fried too) and when I stopped (It was fairly hard, I could'nt quite remember 'how' to). It felt weird stopping, so I just let them shake (They stopped when I laid back down). Standing up was hard and so was talking (although that didd'nt stop me). Just laying down, talking and listening was actually quite enjoyable. Things I noticed: These things are DANGEROUS! I almost choked trying to swallow one of the pills :) (Realy though, Make sure you have something to wash them down with) We were VERY heavily stoned. I remember Kurt remarking 'This is what retarded people must feel like' :). I just could'nt think straight at all... I seemed to instantly verbalize most of my thoughts. According to Kurt, I talked almost the whole time about absolutely nothing... I wonder if I would have talked so much if there weren't anyone there with me...I found myself contradicting myself often. "I want to try and go outside. No I don't." I also said completely senseless things He would ask me a question like "Do you want to try and stand up?" and I'd say something like "No, because you'll try to kill me, and the windows can't handle that." Weird... Part of our talking was telling each other all of our deepest darkest secrets. I can only remember a few of the milder ones, but I know I told him things about myself I would'nt tell ANYONE normally... Luckily our memories of the experience are very bad, and many of the things we told each other were absolute hogwash (I distincly remember "Hey man, I gotta tell you something. I have sex with furniture" "That's ok man, I have sex with guitars..."). The next day however, we both felt like a tremendous weight had been taken off of our chest, and I think we're much better friends. I didn't seem to hallucinate as I thought I would. In fact, I realy could'nt imagine anything visual at all. When I closed my eyes, I just saw kind of a slightly more intense normal-closed-eye pattern, and I just felt a general 'swirling' feeling in my mind. Kurt, however, reported seeing Sonic the Hedgehog come running at him a few times. :) I knoticed my body seemed generaly numbed, and severely in my mouth and face. The numbing of my mouth added to the difficulty of talking, and I think I had cottonmouth, but it might have just been the numbness. At one point, for some reason I told Kurt to make sure all of his fingers were still on because DXM can me bad for them. He started nervously tugging on them to see if they were loose.I realy freaked him out :-). Moving around and dancing was REALY cool. I was very disoriented and had a bit of a hard time standing up, but I diddn't get motion sick or anything, and moving felt great. Looking back, I'm glad nobody sober was watching me dance, I pretty much made a fool of myself :)... For part of the most intense part of the trip I seemed to be just 'Out of my head', Like the rest of my mind just wandered off and left me to just kinda lay there and stare at things. I also had a few 'waking up' experiences. It's hard to explain, but it was if I were dreaming, and then woke up to find things exactly as they were in the dream. MIZ only got nauseous twice for short periods, and it was very mild. Sometime around 4:00, Both of us decided to go so sleep (I wasnt realy tired, it was a decision we just kinda made) No weird dreams or anything... The next day, I didnt feel down after the trip, probably because I was still feeling the effects quite a bit. My memory was'nt doing to good, I felt mildly stoned, and I still got that funny feeling whenever I got up. For the record, I'm only around 130 pounds, and Kurt is... Ehh.. I don't know, but he's 6'2 and slightly overweight. Overall, this was quite an enjoyable (and weird) experience, and I plan on doing this again this weekend with maybe a few other friends, a higher dose, and some more appropriate music (although as the trip realy got intense, I realy just ignored the music). At around 10 bucks for 20 capsules (30mg each) it's fairly cheap (It would have been cheaper if I had been willing to down all that nasty syrup), and from what I've seen so far, it seems to be legal. Well, my fingers are tired, and so am I, so I guess I'll stop now :) It should have only Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide (and maybe a little alchohol) as an active ingredient). Just make sure you don't have anything too important to do the day afterwards, you'll still feel it the next day, and might not sleep very well. ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: LADEN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu Subject: Robo sucks! Message-ID: <16FA1A852.LADEN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 94 11:58:09 EDT It sucks, dudes. Me and a friend, we got Drixoral Cough Caps last night. I did 390mg, he did 450mg. If you like getting whacked out of your brain, then maybe try this, but it's too intense and wierd for me (and my friend, who's done LSD and shrooms.) Some parts were fun, actually, but too much of it wasn't. ============================================================================= From: karl.hiller@cccbbs.cincinnati.oh.us (Karl Hiller) Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs Subject: Robo II: The Quickening Message-ID: <48605.148.uupcb@cccbbs.cincinnati.oh.us> Date: 24 Apr 94 05:16:00 GMT There sure is a lot of interest in dextromethorphan on this conference all of a sudden... Is this a new thing or does it come around on a regular basis? Anyway, I thought I'd give it a whirl. Tried it twice, around 350 mg per dose, the first time by itself and the second time with a number of good solid bong hits. (I managed to find Drixoral gel-caps the second time, which made it much much easier to get down.) The first time, I felt seriously drunk. My body felt light, movement was effortless, and I had a hard time concentrating on anything. On the other hand, I remained lucid enough to play a game of Diplomacy with my friends (although the French were acting sort of erratically that night :) My hands got red and puffy, and at one point my scalp itched intensely, leading me into a strangely satisfying prolonged scratching session. I experienced that sort of tingly stomach sensation that usually heralds an oncoming acid trip, and this feeling lingered for about two days. There was no hangover, but I still felt sort of buzzed the next day - not unpleasant, but disorienting. The second time, I got really, really dumb. I could watch TV or listen to someone talking to me for several minutes and not be able to recall a single thing. I had some trippy visuals - Joe Bob Briggs became three-dimensional (on TV), and then everything in the room became extremely three-dimensional (moreso than usual). There was also some wavering and crawling of the stucco patterns on the ceiling, but I didn't notice much in the way of visuals later in the trip. Hell, I didn't notice much of _anything_ later in the trip. I was conscious, but not really aware. Seriously meaningful thoughts churned up inside me like undercurrents in an underground ocean, but my verbal processing ability was so disabled that I couldn't put them into words or utter them. This inability to put words to thoughts was the most disturbing aspect of the trip - without words, I couldn't really understand what I was examining mentally, but just "look" at it and wonder. I did manage to get across to my friend that I wondered whether really dumb people feel like this all the time (not unlike wondering whether schizophrenics or autistic people feel like people on acid a lot of the time). He basically agreed. I eventually drifted off to sleep, and if I dreamed I don't remember it. The weird stomach feeling lasted about three days this time. I'm not entirely sure (a week later) that I've fully recovered. My opinion? Interesting, but not a lot of fun. If you like getting very stupid and lying around, this might be your cup of tea. I personally don't like being so incapacitated, especially mentally. Even very drunk people have more mental wherewithal than I did the second time (the pot probably played a big role here). I don't know if I'll do the scientifically logical next step and try 750 mg before reaching a final conclusion or not, but I think I've been and done and don't need to go back. And of course, Your Mileage May Vary. Karl Hiller karl.hiller@cccbbs.cincinnati.oh.us ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: pcerra@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu (Paul Cerra) Subject: Re: Robo sucks! Message-ID: <1994Apr24.164017.14207@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 94 16:40:17 GMT [quoted text deleted -cak] I tried it for the first time with a friend just recently. First off, the Cough Caps sound like a good idea... the Vicks we ingested was absolutely vile. I'd sooner drink essence o' shrooms. As such, I was only able to consume about 180mg (but I've got under 140lbs of body weight, so I considered it a 'decent' low-dose). It was a peculiar high, sort of a cross between alcohol and a psychedelic. I experienced nearly everything the faq said I would: altered aural perception (big deal), loss of coordination, and a desire to move about as much as possible. Dancing around was great fun. My speech was affected; I kept repeating parts of my sentences. One interesting aspect: We took the junk at about 3:00 pm. Somewhere around 8:00 or so, I noticed that my pupils were dilated somewhat. I checked again about an hour later and they were completely dilated. The faq mentioned nothing about this (or did it? Did I miss it?) and so I was intrigued, but short of a few trails, I noticed no hallucinations. That is, of course, until I tried to get to sleep at about 11:00 that night. I tossed and turned for awhile until I grew tired of fighting it and I turned on the light. And I was frying! (for lack of a better word). No, not full-blown, but I had definite movement and the curtains were breathing deeply. Has anyone else experienced this sort of thing? Of course, we did smoke some grass while we were on the stuff, so that might have contributed... I guess I'll have to dry a "high-dosage" before I can say I'm done with the stuff, but it's not really that great of a high (my opinion, folks). If you want hearing enchancement, you can smoke grass or take piracetam (sp?). Drink some wine and your coordination will be as bad as mine was. Plus, the wine tastes a heck of a lot better than the syrup does! Keep drinking and soon your speech will be affected, too. -- Paul Cerra pcerra@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu "This space left intentionally blank." ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: smccullo@harp.aix.calpoly.edu (BiPolar Caffiend) Subject: Re: Robo sucks!(kind of) Message-ID: <1994Apr26.202129.131148@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 20:21:29 GMT Well, this might not be real interesting, but here is my story of DXM. I got a 10 pack of Vicks 44 capsules(30mg DXM, 60 mg pseudoephedrine) and started taking them at 6:00 P.M. I took one every 6 minutes for an hour. Used pepsi to help them go down. After realizing that 300 mg was the minimum dosage for effects, I decided to go buy another pack of ten, which was downed in much the same fashion from 7:00 to 8:00. So that was 600 mg of DXM in two hours spread out evenly. I started feeling nauseas and noticed that I kept dropping things!!! %^) I decided to take a bath because I was sore from V-Ball earlier in the day. The water seemed very hot and I was feeling slightly "spaced" so I rinsed with a cool shower and got dressed. I had Floyd, Mr. Bungle and some other cool stuff in the cd player so decided to just lie down and enjoy. I was tired and basically cat napped until four the next morning. The pseudoephedrine definitely kept me up, and the nausea never really went away, but did abate to a great extent. Anytime I tried to walk was met with dizziness and a lot of stumbling. I finally slept from 4:00A.M. until 6:30 which is when I got up and got ready for school. Most of the day was the same "spaced" and generally out of it feeling and more then one person used the word "spent" to describe my physical condition. Although I wouldn't describe the experience as extremely unpleasant, the nausea was definitely a downer and I wish it could be avoided. On looking back, I realize that I was hallucinating somewhat, with the trim around the upper edge of my room becoming tilted and one of the Dolphin posters being something other than a dolphin(it reminded me of my shirt) The poster had a very weird 3d effect to it. What I mean is that the edge of the poster seemed to be coming out of the wall. I also feel that the sleepiness caused by the V-Ball mixed with the restlessness of the pseudoephidrine didn't help. I am 5-9 and weigh 170 and am in moderately good shape so the dosage I feel wasn't excessive. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Any suggestions on how to avoid the nausea would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for playing!!!! ****************************************************************** ** Scott D. McCulloch | If I knew what I was doing, ** ** smccullo@tuba.calpoly.edu | it wouldn't be called ** ** BioChemical Effects Research | research!! ** ****************************************************************** ============================================================================= From: anon2792@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Steve Braden) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Robo dosage? Date: 31 May 1994 14:07:23 -0600 Message-ID: <2sg5dr$dg0@nyx10.cs.du.edu> I tried DXM for the first time about two weeks ago. I took 300 mg (10 Drixoral Cough Caps @ 30mg each). Result: no effect. I took the 10 pills over the course of about 20 minutes chased with plenty of water. I did take them on a relatively full stomach, though, so maybe that was part of the problem. So, on to my question: I'm 6'3", 280 lbs., and in relatively good health . . . what dosage should I try next? Should I stick with 300 mg but take on an empty stomach? Or should I try to increase the dosage? I'm more interested in the low dosage effects of DXM at this point, particularly the enhancement of listening to music. If you have a suggestion, please drop me some e-mail as well as posting. I read alt.drugs regularly, but my newsfeed tends to be slow, and I need the info as soon as possible. Thanks for your help, Steve ============================================================================= Message-ID: <171304Z27041994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an17869@anon.penet.fi Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 17:06:57 UTC Subject: DXM and pain (or lack of) I finally decided to try DXM I started with 120mg and noticed a slight buzz but also a huge decrease in sensitivity to pain. I banged my hand into something bending back a finger nail a bit, nothing terrible but normally would hurt alot, it barely hurt at all. Unlike alcohol which makes you numb I seem to have full sensation of touch everywhere, but things that should hurt don't. Has DXM ever been used for pain relief the 120mg dosage seems to have much less mind altering effect than most pain relievers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= From: bdesp@wpi.edu (B. Despres) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: flushing on DXM? Date: 3 May 1994 07:57:31 GMT Message-ID: <2q505b$k1c@bigboote.WPI.EDU> hello... a few nights ago i tried my highest dose of dextrometorphan yet, about 500 mg (i had only had up to about 350 previously, with absolutely no side effects other than that horrible itching, and even that was only light and for a few minutes). anyway, i seem to have had quite an odd reaction this time... at first i started getting higher and higher like normal, but then after about an hour and a half things started to get a wee bit worse... i was feeling a bit itchy, but not too bad... when i started scratching insanely, it got the attention of a few of my freinds who hadn't done anything. they said that i was bright red and had a fever of like 103... this bothers me rather a bit, since such things are not a good sign... anyway, then i proceeded to scratch like crazy, luckily my face didn't get itchy, since i discovered the next day that too much scratching makes you look like a survivor of the plague from poe's "masque of the read death", if there were survivors... next i began to get nauseous, so i went into the bathroom to puke. while in there, i got incredible cold sweating, to the point that i was dripping with sweat but had goosebumps ( i might still have had a fever , but as far as i could tell i was freezing). so i managed to live, apparently... but, what i want to know, if anyone out there has a guess, is why i flushed and had such a high fever, when i haven't ever before, and hadn't taken substantially more than my previous max? thanks. - ben ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: MRWEBER@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (MARK R WEBER) Subject: effects of dxm Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 01:07:46 GMT a, um, friend of mine did a 4oz. bottle of robo max cough, and he practically had a fever as well, had the overwhelming need to throw up, didn't, and had a bad stomach ache the next day. and on 300mg, he felt like his head was in a vice and couldn't walk very well, but that's about it. the only good thing was that he talked alot. mark ============================================================================= From: shelby@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Shelby) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: effects of dxm Date: 9 May 1994 03:54:04 GMT Message-ID: <2qkc4s$l0m@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mam6@cornell.edu (Diablo) schpoozed: >In article , MRWEBER@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (MARK R >WEBER) wrote: [yucky, yet familiar experience deleted] I wish I got off as well as you guys did... About 2am last night I took 300mg (Drixoral Liquid Caps). Needless to say, nothing interesting happened for a while, except that I thought I saw the walls breathing like the early stages of an acid trip, so I dropped off to sleep until I awoke on the verge of being sick. To make a long story short I was violently sick (toilet and bucket, yum) for about 4 hours, happy happy, and even now 22 hours later I'm still dizzy and lethargic. Maybe I'm one of the 1 in 10 people who don't have the enzyme to process DXM, who knows. To put this in perspective, my drug use is so recreational I'm almost clean. Only tripped twice, 5 tabs then 2 the second time, and mj just puts me to sleep. Never a big alcohol drinker either. Only reason I like acid is the thought processes it opens up, and dollar for dollar it's a better drug in my opinion. Now DMT, that's piqued my interest recently... -- under construction: MARS: The Red Planet ============================================================================= Message-ID: <025312Z19061994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an107364@anon.penet.fi (Wirr) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 02:52:25 UTC Subject: DxM Experience report Hi there ... yesterday (27.05.94) my friend and I tried DXM. We each took 200mg in the form of the German brand cough syrup "Arpha Hustenstiller" (apricot-flavor disgusting stuff, that :) ). We ingested it about 19:00 hours. First signs of intoxication set in about 20:00. Unlike the first time, where we tried 133,3mg DXM each, there were no signs of hyperactivity. Instead we experienced a calm and warm feeling, which got more intense while the DXM started to do its work. My friend (4T4) experienced some slight nausea during the first half hour, which vanished after eating a salad (green salad, soy-beens, onions, cucumbers and french dressing as topping ;-). Then we both began listen to (German) trance music (Cosmic Baby, etc). 4T4 kept on asking me (4A4) what I was feeling. What wasn4t much at that time. But short period later I noticed that my stereo sounded much better than it used to. So we kept on listening to the CD. At about 22:00 another friend of us appeared and I had the feeling that the DXM effects were setting out. As 4T4 had the same impression we decided to smoke some hash (MJ). Than it all began ... :) WWWHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! At first the feeling was only describable as a very light hash stoning. But it didn4t stop there. As time went by the effect got more and more intense and ended in something which is only comparable to a very strong XTC high. We both HAD to get up and dance (to the same CD). We were both VERY high! Absolutely incredible!!! These effect lasted about 20 minutes and began to dissolve (slowly). While getting down we both had the impression as if somebody had cloaked our heads. Everything (sight and hearing) was dampened. Our environment seemed to be a part of a movie. Nothing of it belonged to reality. While getting sober reality came back :) At about 23:20 we both felt nearly sober again and so we decided to some hash again. This time MJ turned to feel more like alcohol which was also quite funny. But the effect always dropped after about 15-20 minutes. And we had to smoke some more. But later it was hard to move because we were so lazy due to the MJ. All in all it was a very funny, positive and intense experience. Note: Beware if you try this yourself, I realy cant imagine, what would have happened if I had smoked any more ! I guess it hadnt been that funny. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi.