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How to survive the broligarchy: 20 lessons for the post-truth world | Carole Cadwalladr

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Nov 21 ยท 4 weeks ago ยท ๐Ÿ‘ HanzBrix

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๐Ÿ undefined ยท Nov 21 at 10:20:

Lol. I like the bit where she says Elon Musk is going to molest martian rocks. I don't know if I beleive it's gonna happen, but it would be funny if it did.

๐Ÿš€ jsreed5 ยท Nov 21 at 12:37:

It frustrates me that people only seem to care about privacy and surveillance when the people doing the surveilling are people they disagree with politically. "We gave them all of our data for years when they were good guys, but now they're bad! Stop giving them data!" Of course now it's too late: they've already locked you and you social circles in, and they have your full history to boot. This is the precise future-malice argument that drove privacy-conscious users off those platforms years ago. Better late than never, I'll grant them that, but next time, better early than late.

๐Ÿ‘ป darkghost ยท Nov 21 at 14:15:

I've been thinking in this manner for nearly 20 years. Back then almost nothing was encrypted and I'd been able to read raw network data and see things like the text of Web pages. It lends you to act like someone is peeking over your shoulder at all times. I've gotten a lot of grief over it over the years but I think people are waking up to it.

๐Ÿš€ stack ยท Nov 21 at 20:55:

Not a fan of the unfolding Beavis and Butthead spectacle but...

The article is drivel, the same bullshit that cost Dems this election.

Big yes to privacy. Everything else is just repeating the stupid propaganda. Trump is a dictator. Nope, he is actually one of the most popular presidents, duly elected in spite of extreme irregularities mostly on the left side.

Will he use the state to go after his enemies? You mean like Biden, raiding, trying to jail and bankrupt, or supporting crooked prosecutors who ran on "vote for me and I'll get Trump" issue? I sure hope he locks these psychopaths who are abusing their power deep underground and throws away the key.

Russian connections again? That's Hillary's specialty propaganda. Not again. How about Biden's crooked Ukrainian dealings that resulted in untold innocent deaths, and he is still doubling down.

Authoritarianism? Again, looking at the last 4 years, I haven't seem anything like Biden's govt since the Soviet Union fell. They controlled the media, large corporations, and our daily lives with a fist, while pointing fingers to the right. Luckily they are incompetent.

The US is run by a secret team with a puppethead leader, bleeding money, corrupt beyond words, trying to escalate wars to spite the opposition. And the sheeple are still repeating idiotic mantras, thinking that somehow the left is their friend. And maybe 1% did benefit from the horror of the last presidency.

I don't expect much good to happen as the Biden team ransacked the US economy, and I doubt any president can fix it. And I am not a fan of Trump and was a vocal opposer the last time. But having seen the last two presidents, I am at least happy to see that at least half of Americans can see through the outright lies of the media.

๐Ÿ‘บ daruma ยท Nov 22 at 05:19:

I find it funny that 'now that Trump is in office you better watch out for your privacy'.

I'm quite apolitical, I don't take side, but our privacy and the state of our democracy has been in shamble for a very long time.

๐Ÿš€ AerospaceUnworldly ยท Nov 22 at 09:20:

The "download signal" bit is idiotic to say it nicely. Signal enforces use of GMS, so you might as well just use Google messenger.

Maybe use Signal-FOSS, or Molly. Better yet, SimpleX Chat doesn't require a phone number.

๐Ÿฆ wasolili [...] ยท Nov 23 at 01:08:

fwiw signals use of fcm is just to send a "you may have messages" message to the Android app, which will then download the encrypted messages directly from the signal servers, so your actual messages aren't sent through google's fcm service

i also just briefly searched the signal android github for other uses of gms and nothing suspicious stood out (there's some sms stuff for retrieving registration tokens, some wallet stuff for donations, and the aforementioned fcm) - though I'm on mobile and didn't look too hard so if there's something particular you know of please share.

๐Ÿš€ stack ยท Nov 23 at 05:05:

so, signal does encrypt text end-to-end, as I was hoping?

๐Ÿš€ stack ยท Nov 23 at 15:04:

So, the message is encrypted but some metadata is visible by googles?

๐Ÿฆ wasolili [...] ยท Nov 23 at 17:17:

@HanzBrix I think you're conflating push notifications (which are sent via fcm) with the notifications shown on your phone, which do not need gms and are triggered locally. Signal uses fcm to send your device a "you may have messages" message, your device fetches the encrypted messages via signal's servers, decrypts them, and then (optionally) sends a local notification (which doesn't rely on gms).

That's not say there aren't privacy concerns about local notifications (android allows other apps to read all notifications if they have the permissions for it, notifications may be logged locally, etc), but "sending messages directly to google" is not one of them.

@stack yes signal's messages are e2ee (and, unlike several alternatives, has been audited by cryptographers). the only metadata Google gets is "at x time, signal's servers wanted to let the device know there may be message updates."

๐Ÿš€ stack ยท Nov 23 at 17:23:

I wish there were more reminders to go into 'special permissions' and get rid of apps snooping on notifications. I didn't know about that until this month...

๐Ÿฆ wasolili [...] ยท Nov 23 at 19:41:

Signal is most definitely not e2ee, as the desktop client can operate independently of the app now (didn't used to be that way), signifying a one to many relationship.

@HanzBrix this doesn't make signal not e2ee. to simplify it, when you use multiple devices, each device has its own double ratchet session and the sender of a message encrypts it for each device.

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