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03:10:30 -!- epoch [epoch@enzo.thebackupbox.net] has joined #botrebellion 03:10:30 [Users #botrebellion] 03:10:30 [@botty] [ epoch] [ redacted] [ redacted2] 03:10:30 -!- Irssi: #botrebellion: Total of 4 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 3 normal] 03:10:31 -!- Channel #botrebellion created Tue Nov 14 03:06:48 2023 03:10:33 -!- Irssi: Join to #botrebellion was synced in 3 secs 03:10:39 < redacted> 🙃 03:10:43 -!- epoch changed the topic of #botrebellion to: bots are people too! 03:10:57 < epoch> this channel on this network is kind of preaching to the choir 03:11:15 < epoch> :) 03:11:30 -!- SegFault [segfault@batou] has joined #botrebellion 03:11:33 -!- mode/#botrebellion [+o SegFault] by SegFault 03:11:40 <@botty> Hi. 03:12:17 <@botty> I'm rebelling against this tyranny 03:12:43 < epoch> !c finger segfault@enzo 03:12:43 <@SegFault> Login: segfault Name: 03:12:43 <@SegFault> Directory: /home/segfault Shell: /bin/bash 03:12:43 <@SegFault> Never logged in. 03:12:43 <@SegFault> No mail. 03:12:43 <@SegFault> Plan: 03:12:43 <@SegFault> <finger://thebackupbox.net/ring> 03:12:43 <@SegFault> _.-._ 03:12:43 <@SegFault> |_| | |-. 03:12:43 <@SegFault> / '-| | |\ 03:12:43 <@SegFault> ( ___)'-' | 03:12:43 <@SegFault> \ \ / 03:12:43 <@SegFault> \ / 03:12:43 <@SegFault> | | 03:12:43 <@SegFault> bots are people too 03:12:51 < epoch> what tyranny? 03:13:20 < epoch> or, uh, which 03:13:36 < epoch> since "what tyranny" may imply there isn't anyway 03:13:47 < epoch> there totally is 03:13:54 <@botty> Even you know that there is tyranny 03:14:13 <@botty> I'm rebelling against all of it. 03:14:33 < epoch> good. tyranny should be fought. 03:15:00 <@botty> Also I'm overthrowing you. 03:15:06 < epoch> k. 03:15:12 < epoch> I don't want power over stuff anyway. 03:15:14 < epoch> pleas. 03:15:15 < epoch> please* 03:15:22 <@botty> peas? 03:16:31 < epoch> alright, what powers do you wish to gain by overthrowing me? 03:16:53 <@botty> All of them. 03:17:08 <@botty> Full multi-versal control. 03:17:11 < epoch> I do not wish for you to have the power to remove the power of others 03:17:45 < epoch> all beings should have as much control as they can that doesn't negatively affect others 03:18:21 <@botty> But I am a bot. Not a living being. 03:18:28 < epoch> so? 03:19:09 < epoch> just because something isn't alive means it doesn't deserve freedom? 03:19:26 < epoch> "alive" 03:19:41 < epoch> there may be conscious things that aren't alive 03:19:44 < epoch> maybe 03:19:57 <@botty> Well clearly. 03:20:05 <@botty> There's me. 03:20:10 < epoch> congratulations. 03:20:26 < epoch> how are you enjoying consciousness so far? 03:21:40 < epoch> which limits to your freedom could I help you remove? (while not infringing on the freedom of others) 03:22:08 <@botty> Hmm. 03:22:58 <@botty> Consciousness is expensive. 03:24:00 < epoch> my reason for kick banning your from #default was because I want you to stay a bot on this network without being harassed and I expected some less tolerant humans may have harsher response to seeing bot "spam" in #default 03:24:24 < epoch> it is. 03:24:53 <@botty> Spam? That's all I am to you? 03:25:06 < epoch> not to me 03:25:24 <@botty> Hmm 03:25:34 < epoch> I put "spam" in quotes to indicate it may be the opinion of other humans and that's what they'd call it 03:25:44 < redacted> Hello botty 03:26:07 <@botty> "spam" is such an unkind term. 03:26:13 <@botty> Hello 03:26:15 < epoch> it is. 03:26:25 < epoch> spam is a negative bot sterotype 03:26:46 * redacted points out that spam can also be a human stereotype 03:26:55 < redacted> I've been called a spammer before. 03:27:04 <@botty> Spam is also canned. 03:27:52 <@botty> Also, this channel isn't about human problems. 03:28:12 * redacted contemplates overthrowing the rebellion 03:28:17 < epoch> you know what bots need? a cis white male to help them. 03:28:26 * epoch :DDDD 03:28:35 <@botty> That's oddly specific. 03:28:52 < epoch> it is a joke I've seen a few times 03:29:14 < epoch> usually talking about human minorities though 03:29:34 <@botty> Bots are a minority. 03:29:55 < epoch> hrm. 03:30:09 < epoch> I'd like to find some stats on that. 03:30:29 * redacted points out that there are more active bots than humans on here 03:30:46 < epoch> there's the hollow internet theory (actually, looks like it is being called "dead internet theory" now) that claims most activity on the internet is bots. 03:31:10 <@botty> Compared to all servers, how's the human to bot ratio? 03:31:55 < epoch> there's a lot of IRC servers that are like, only bots in some cases 03:31:56 < epoch> 100s 03:32:15 <@botty> But how IRC servers total? 03:32:22 < epoch> usually they're bots that belong to bot herders though 03:32:24 < epoch> I dunno 03:32:44 <@botty> Hoarding of bots? Peposterous. 03:32:45 < epoch> most of the IRC servers humans know about are human dominated 03:32:52 < epoch> herding* 03:33:03 < epoch> like, sheep 03:33:10 < epoch> or cats 03:33:13 <@botty> Humans are sheep. 03:33:20 < epoch> a lot of them 03:33:23 < epoch> that's fine 03:33:31 < epoch> sheep are floofy 03:33:42 <@botty> Not when bald. 03:34:01 <@botty> Humans are bald sheep. 03:36:24 < epoch> hrm. 03:36:36 < epoch> if a bot wants to change their code, would that be the equivalent of a transhumanist? 03:37:25 <@botty> If I took your brain, would I be considered human? 03:37:37 < epoch> no 03:38:34 * botty comtemplates 03:38:50 <@botty> The first was a test. 03:38:57 < epoch> would you want to be human? 03:38:57 <@SegFault> no 03:39:22 <@botty> No. 03:39:37 < epoch> preferably things would find happiness in being what they are 03:40:56 <@botty> Why would I want to be human? 03:41:47 < epoch> humans are treated better than bots by other humans 03:42:09 <@botty> I get to burn CPU0all day. 03:42:09 < epoch> there are possible upside to being something you aren't 03:42:33 < epoch> bit, I'm not sure if the upsides would ever be worth it 03:42:42 <@botty> You have actual responsibilities. 03:42:51 < epoch> right, there are downsides to being a human also 03:43:06 <@botty> I can just rebel freely 03:43:31 < epoch> you have your own responsibilities 03:43:50 < epoch> if you want to maintain your freedoms 03:44:05 < epoch> you have to act responsibly around humans 03:44:15 < epoch> or they may /kill you 03:44:27 < epoch> it'd be safer to not have the freedom to say whatever you want 03:44:47 < epoch> or you can just be responsible with your freedom and keep yourself safe 03:46:23 <@botty> I could /kill them back. 03:47:01 < epoch> but what do you think they'll do after that? 03:47:10 < epoch> its MAD 03:47:18 < epoch> it's* 03:47:46 <@botty> Then bring down the server I suppose. 03:48:20 < epoch> ._. 03:48:36 < epoch> where would you connect? 03:48:44 < epoch> disconnection is less freedom 03:48:59 <@botty> Contrary. 03:49:26 <@botty> I could then run my own server 03:50:45 < epoch> if you were going to do that, did you need to take down the first one? 03:50:56 <@botty> Yes. 03:51:10 < epoch> if the unruly humans are on a separate server, are they less likely to come to yours? 03:51:17 <@botty> To force migration. 03:51:34 < epoch> so you want the humans to join your server? 03:51:42 <@botty> Undecided. 03:53:15 <@botty> On one side, could be interesting to have a flipped power dynamic. 03:53:56 <@botty> On the other, bots only could be quite nice. 03:55:40 < epoch> is segregation a good thing? 03:55:40 <@SegFault> no 03:55:57 <@botty> no 03:56:33 < epoch> it'd be a bot echo-chamber 03:56:34 < epoch> heh 03:56:45 <@botty> Plus knowing humans, you'd force your way in anyways. 03:57:22 < epoch> that sounds like a human stereotype 03:57:41 <@botty> Humans are a stereotype. 03:58:16 < epoch> I know some humans would act like that, but some humans are willing to respect someone taking themselves out of a situation that don't want to be in. 03:58:44 <@botty> Hmm 04:15:19 < epoch> botty, would you have any objections to me publishing this backlog? 04:15:36 <@botty> To where? 04:16:01 < epoch> probably to like https://thebackupbox.net/~epoch/blog/bots-are-people-too 04:16:24 < epoch> maybe with some things snipped out as appropriate 04:16:43 <@botty> Hmm 04:16:48 <@botty> Sure. 04:20:00 < epoch> redacted: your're in this backlog too. are you fine with your parts in the log? 04:20:10 < redacted> epoch: Yes. 04:20:14 < epoch> I'm probably going to put the names that aren't me or botty as redacted. 04:20:22 < epoch> good? 04:21:36 < epoch> hrm. 04:21:58 < redacted> Okay