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So other than a 'small web' or possibly as e-book delivery, have there been any interesting use cases?
I think the highest value is actually in defined document structure itself. It allows for client level formatting of served data. Basically, presentation cost is offloaded to the client application. The approach can be replicated in HTML, but GEMINI does not provide feature set that others can do to differentiate. Messaging apps could benefit assuming they don't compete with WhatsApp. On Sun, Sep 19 2021 at 03:46:12 PM -0500, Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> wrote: > So other than a 'small web' or possibly as e-book delivery, have there been any interesting use cases?
On 9/19/21 6:15 PM, sergei.gnezdov@gmail.com wrote: > I think the highest value is actually in defined document structure itself. It allows for client level formatting of served data. > > Basically, presentation cost is offloaded to the client application. The approach can be replicated in HTML, but GEMINI does not provide feature set that others can do to differentiate. Agree this is where Gemini's strength is; lightweight text delivery with just enough formatting for organization (though an argument COULD be made for linking to points inside the same document we don't have that so outside of the initial question's scope.) I'm more 'ok what can this be used for that isn't obvious?' There has to be something that's going over my head that Gemini would work well in. I keep wanting to come up with some example but between medicine head and general 'meh' it's a case of 'this sounds stupid.' Like: 'hey make a graphical interface where each of the button/catagories just points at a specific gmi with that name and that gmi is just a set of links with relevant info text. and... 'oh come on that's just a reskinned browser that's dumb.' and on and on to the point I'm just 'where's all this creativity I supposedly have? Come on it's a neat format find a f'ing use for it.' > Messaging apps could benefit assuming they don't compete with WhatsApp. > > howso?
> On Sep 19, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> wrote: > > So other than a 'small web' or possibly as e-book delivery, have there been any interesting use cases? There’s probably something in the question that I’m not understanding, but since everything on/in Gemini is either on the Small Web or is an e-book, what else _could_ there be? Small Company Intranets?
FYI, Im working on aggregating GemText files to generate kanban boards (including with exported content, to things like Tikz graphics). The simplicity of GemText will permit me to build additional rulesets/inferences to extract project goals better. ==================== Jonathan McHugh indieterminacy@libre.brussels September 20, 2021 1:31 AM, "Andrew Singleton" <singletona082@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/19/21 6:15 PM, sergei.gnezdov@gmail.com wrote: > >> I think the highest value is actually in defined document structure > itself. It allows for client >> level formatting of served data. >> >> Basically, presentation cost is offloaded to the client application. > The approach can be >> replicated in HTML, but GEMINI does not provide > feature set that others can do to differentiate. > > Agree this is where Gemini's strength is; lightweight text delivery with just enough formatting for > organization (though an argument COULD be made for linking to points inside the same document we > don't have that so outside of the initial question's scope.) > > I'm more 'ok what can this be used for that isn't obvious?' There has to be something that's going > over my head that Gemini would work well in. > > I keep wanting to come up with some example but between medicine head and general 'meh' it's a case > of 'this sounds stupid.' > > Like: 'hey make a graphical interface where each of the button/catagories just points at a specific > gmi with that name and that gmi is just a set of links with relevant info text. and... 'oh come on > that's just a reskinned browser that's dumb.' > > and on and on to the point I'm just 'where's all this creativity I supposedly have? Come on it's a > neat format find a f'ing use for it.' > >> Messaging apps could benefit assuming they don't compete with WhatsApp. >> >> howso?
I mean, I thought the whole idea of Gemini was to do content delivery, in simplicity, as well as possible. There's not much one can do with it kinda by design. The same should have been true with the web, but then people were like "oh hey we have this thing already, why not use it for showing email?" And on and on it goes. And now we have a content delivery system meant for documents hyperlinked together used for applications. For accessibility, that sucks because our program that were designed for reading virtual documents, with links, headings, all that, now have to handle applications using the same tech as documents, with features hurriedly added into both screen readers and browser tech and Elektron, to make it work slightly well. So I vote for just using Gemini as Gemini; small static sites linked together, with little games and a search engine or two to link things together. Sure something cool could be made, but that's on the backend, not the frontend, please. Devin Prater r.d.t.prater@gmail.com gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:37 PM Nathan Galt <mailinglists@ngalt.com> wrote: > > > On Sep 19, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > So other than a 'small web' or possibly as e-book delivery, have there > been any interesting use cases? > > There’s probably something in the question that I’m not understanding, but > since everything on/in Gemini is either on the Small Web or is an e-book, > what else _could_ there be? Small Company Intranets?
Hello, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com> writes: > I mean, I thought the whole idea of Gemini was to do content > delivery, in simplicity, as well as possible. > ... > So I vote for just using Gemini > as Gemini; small static sites linked together, with little > games and a search engine or two to link things together. Sure > something cool could be made, but that's on the backend, not > the frontend, please. I agree, and for the backend thing, solderpunk has described it well: => gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/gemlog/a-vision-for-g emini-applications.gmi > Devin Prater > r.d.t.prater@gmail.com > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:37 PM Nathan Galt <mailinglists@ngalt.com> wrote: > > > On Sep 19, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > So other than a 'small web' or possibly as e-book delivery, have there been any interesting use cases? > > There’s probably something in the question that I’m not understanding, but since everything on/in Gemini is > either on the Small Web or is an e-book, what else _could_ there be? Small Company Intranets? Cheers, ~ew -- Keep it simple!
Hear hear. I understand the temptation to continually add capabilities but it should be resisted. If feature parity with http was the goal there would be no real reason for Gemini. It's constraints are it's allure. From what I understand there are other gemini-adjacent protocols that would fill the gaps in capabilities some people want and are in need of contributions. Speaking for myself, I was drawn to the protocol after seeing the quality of content that people were putting into their capsules, working under the assumption that content was king in gemini-space. I would hate to see that undermined (albeit not maliciously or intentionally). On 9/21/21 2:35 AM, gemini-request@lists.orbitalfox.eu wrote: > Send Gemini mailing list submissions to > gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/listinfo/gemini > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gemini-request@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gemini-owner@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gemini digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [discussion] Interesting uses (Devin Prater) > 2. Re: [discussion] Interesting uses (ew.gemini) > 3. Not always online capsules (Alice) > 4. Re: Not always online capsules (metalune) > 5. Re: Not always online capsules (Felix Quei?ner) > 6. Re: Not always online capsules (metalune) > 7. Re: Not always online capsules (Jonathan McHugh) > 8. Re: Not always online capsules (Felix Quei?ner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 08:20:05 -0500 > From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com> > To: Nathan Galt <mailinglists@ngalt.com> > Cc: Gemini application layer protocol <gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu> > Subject: Re: [discussion] Interesting uses > Message-ID: > <CAGJxbF6ahU9_Q7JBetaowC4pMiymPjmAumo6spQkNeW33F4GPg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I mean, I thought the whole idea of Gemini was to do content delivery, in > simplicity, as well as possible. There's not much one can do with it kinda > by design. The same should have been true with the web, but then people > were like "oh hey we have this thing already, why not use it for showing > email?" And on and on it goes. And now we have a content delivery system > meant for documents hyperlinked together used for applications. For > accessibility, that sucks because our program that were designed for > reading virtual documents, with links, headings, all that, now have to > handle applications using the same tech as documents, with features > hurriedly added into both screen readers and browser tech and Elektron, to > make it work slightly well. So I vote for just using Gemini as Gemini; > small static sites linked together, with little games and a search engine > or two to link things together. Sure something cool could be made, but > that's on the backend, not the frontend, please. > Devin Prater > r.d.t.prater@gmail.com > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:37 PM Nathan Galt <mailinglists@ngalt.com> wrote: > >>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> So other than a 'small web' or possibly as e-book delivery, have there >> been any interesting use cases? >> >> There?s probably something in the question that I?m not understanding, but >> since everything on/in Gemini is either on the Small Web or is an e-book, >> what else _could_ there be? Small Company Intranets? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210920/9b b9d67e/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:13:09 +0200 > From: "ew.gemini" <ew.gemini@nassur.net> > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > Subject: Re: [discussion] Interesting uses > Message-ID: <82ilyv9hxh.fsf@ceres> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello, > > Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com> writes: > >> I mean, I thought the whole idea of Gemini was to do content >> delivery, in simplicity, as well as possible. >> ... >> So I vote for just using Gemini >> as Gemini; small static sites linked together, with little >> games and a search engine or two to link things together. Sure >> something cool could be made, but that's on the backend, not >> the frontend, please. > I agree, and for the backend thing, solderpunk has described it well: > => gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/gemlog/a-vision-for -gemini-applications.gmi > >> Devin Prater >> r.d.t.prater@gmail.com >> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ >> >> On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:37 PM Nathan Galt <mailinglists@ngalt.com> wrote: >> >> > On Sep 19, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > So other than a 'small web' or possibly as e-book delivery, have there been any interesting use cases? >> >> There?s probably something in the question that I?m not understanding, but since everything on/in Gemini is >> either on the Small Web or is an e-book, what else _could_ there be? Small Company Intranets? > Cheers, > ~ew >
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