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Gday Thanks for the great gempost CyberTailor !! I managed to throw up a simple gaming group front page tonight which Ive been putting off for a while I will be working on my own personal domain tommorow ---------------------------------- Are any gem servers already packaged in Docker or some vitualised container So one could run VPS server Container - 1 - plain static website - 2 - gemblog - 3 - mumble - 4 - irc/xmpp -------------------------------------- The Gnuserland Do we want more centralised "review" and "scores" sites that end up getting abused, doxing people and lying about customers or business's What about creating a review in - textual form - photos - turning that into a blog and pdf/gemfile that can be downloaded and on top video review hosted as MP4/WebM (XviD/X264/AV1) on the gem server and or peertube instance I like Lukesmiths Recipe site idea - http://based.cooking maybe something like that could get adapted to reviews but as gemspace is for the entire world and not a single district/city/nation it might have to get sectioned off for areas/cities/nations, along with food types. ----------------------------------------------------- Funding :- Problem with "mainstream" and "ALT tech" they both rely on the International Central banking cartel with payment processors , paypal, tspring,etc Also with Goverment demanded handouts an USD$20 shirt often ends up AUD$35/NZ$35/CA$35 (Remember its not theif when the goverment calls it 'taxation' / gst+vat / income 'tax' /etc) Maybe help fund Master Server Hubs, District/national servers or invidual popular servers hosting various users that goes towards VPS/cohost/server costs directly Instead of going via some huge payment process or banking cartel system I would avoid Cypto all together The only currency I trust is anonymous phsyical cash (coins/notes) ---------------------------------- Side note if anyone is interested in alt currency check out - Community Currency - Local Currency - Agorism + Counter Economics ___________________ Regards Charliebrownau Charliebrownau@protonmail.com Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, June 25th, 2021 at 7:39 PM, <gemini-request@lists.orbitalfox.eu> wrote: > Send Gemini mailing list submissions to > > gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/listinfo/gemini > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > gemini-request@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > gemini-owner@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Gemini digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. GDPR and the protocol implications (Matthias Geier) > 2. Re: GDPR and the protocol implications (Omar Polo) > 3. Re: Gemini Digest, Vol 23, Issue 40 (Anna ?CyberTailor?) > 4. Re: GDPR and the protocol implications (adnidor) > 5. Re: GDPR and the protocol implications (K?vin) > 6. [USER][IDEA] Gemini Database of Places and Restaurants > > (The Gnuserland) > 7. Re: A proposal to fund the Gemini project (The Doctor) > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 10:59:32 +0200 > > From: Matthias Geier matthias.geier@antipod.de > > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > Subject: GDPR and the protocol implications > > Message-ID: > > CAEtdmSzf1Q21XnjaAbuuHPXgNDBJemFy4k=k+Upm7fc5M=p2Eg@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello fellow developers > > To say that upfront, I searched most of the archive, didn't find that topic > > in there > > About gdpr and certificates. If I am not mistaken, before I even request > > the TLS certificate, I'd need to get a user consent, not to mention storing > > it. > > On a capsule like station, you can ignore the certificate until you sign > > up, but for instance if I want to prevent spam/DoS and check against a > > certification authority, I'd need to get permission for that first. Which > > beats the purpose partially > > Is the manual opt-in to show a cert on a specific domain enough for gdpr > > (clients require you to set the cert for the domains)? I can't show a gdpr > > warning on the cert missing error, since the spec doesn't allow me to. > > Not to mention other consent stuff for storing and processing information? > > I am aware that the small internet won't be sued soon, because no one > > cares. However hosting a service in the EU as a private person has become > > dangerous and you don't want to end up with a fine in the 10k range for > > infringement > > Any opinions, best practices, advice, discussion is welcome ? > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210625/c6d 0b941/attachment-0001.htm > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 15:51:05 +0200 > > From: Omar Polo op@omarpolo.com > > To: Matthias Geier matthias.geier@antipod.de > > Cc: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > Subject: Re: GDPR and the protocol implications > > Message-ID: 87eecq6oja.fsf@omarpolo.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Matthias Geier matthias.geier@antipod.de writes: > > > Hello fellow developers > > > > To say that upfront, I searched most of the archive, didn't find that topic > > > > in there > > > > About gdpr and certificates. If I am not mistaken, before I even request > > > > the TLS certificate, I'd need to get a user consent, not to mention storing > > > > it. > > > > On a capsule like station, you can ignore the certificate until you sign > > > > up, but for instance if I want to prevent spam/DoS and check against a > > > > certification authority, I'd need to get permission for that first. Which > > > > beats the purpose partially > > > > Is the manual opt-in to show a cert on a specific domain enough for gdpr > > > > (clients require you to set the cert for the domains)? I can't show a gdpr > > > > warning on the cert missing error, since the spec doesn't allow me to. > > IANAL but what about responding with something like > > 60 Missing certificate: <gdpr warning here>\r\n > > Not all clients show the exact meta for status codes != 20, but that's > > another issue. > > > Not to mention other consent stuff for storing and processing information? > > > > I am aware that the small internet won't be sued soon, because no one > > > > cares. However hosting a service in the EU as a private person has become > > > > dangerous and you don't want to end up with a fine in the 10k range for > > > > infringement > > > > Any opinions, best practices, advice, discussion is welcome ? > > -- > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 19:38:42 +0500 > > From: Anna ?CyberTailor? cyber@sysrq.in > > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > Subject: Re: Gemini Digest, Vol 23, Issue 40 > > Message-ID: YNXqcqRXQ38aMMK0@sysrq.79.202.136 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On 2021-06-23 11:38, charliebrownau wrote: > > > Also Does anyone have some good guides > > > > to create a low bloat HTML website > > > > without javascript/python/dotnet/cookies > > I find these guidelines useful > > => gemini://seirdy.one/2020/11/23/website-best-practices.gmi > > -- > > Message: 4 > > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 16:40:40 +0200 > > From: adnidor lists-gemini@adnidor.de > > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > Subject: Re: GDPR and the protocol implications > > Message-ID: 20210625144040.qbuut7ajvz5pkjsn@joshuatree > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 10:59:32AM +0200, Matthias Geier wrote: > > > About gdpr and certificates. If I am not mistaken, before I even request > > > > the TLS certificate, I'd need to get a user consent, not to mention storing > > > > it. > > Not necessarily. There are 6 possible justifications for processing personal > > data: > > Wikipedia - GDPR[0]: > > > (a) If the data subject has given consent to the processing of his or her personal data; > > > > (b) To fulfil contractual obligations with a data subject, or for tasks at the request of a data subject who is in the process of entering into a contract; > > > > (c) To comply with a data controller's legal obligations; > > > > (d) To protect the vital interests of a data subject or another individual; > > > > (e) To perform a task in the public interest or in official authority; > > > > (f) For the legitimate interests of a data controller or a third party, unless these interests are overridden by interests of the data subject or her or his rights according to the Charter of Fundamental Rights (especially in the case of children)[7] > > Most processing that gemini capsules do will probably fall under the last > > point, and therefore doesn't require consent. (as an aside: most processing > > that websites do also falls in that category, including stuff for which cookie > > banners are show). > > Also, if you are an individual, it is possible that the GDPR doesn't apply, > > although I don't believe that there has been a court decision on this. > > Please do note that I am not a lawyer and that you should do your own research > > before relying on anything. > > adnidor > > [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 15:12:19 -0000 > > From: K?vin gemini@ml.oh.mg > > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > Subject: Re: GDPR and the protocol implications > > Message-ID: 162463393906.7.11446062595177882843.9149285@ml.oh.mg > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > > Le vendredi 25 juin 2021 ? 16:41, adnidor - lists-gemini at adnidor.de a ?crit : > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 10:59:32AM +0200, Matthias Geier wrote: > > ... > > > Also, if you are an individual, it is possible that the GDPR doesn't apply, > > > although I don't believe that there has been a court decision on this. > > It depends on the country, there are some that actively go after individuals (Austria, Sweden, Spain, and Norway have in the past) and others that just can't be bothered (notably France and most other EU countries). > > It also really depends on the data you collect, purpose of the collection, and whether or not you could extract that against a real data subject. > > The question would be would the certificate be at the same technical processing level as an IP address (server logs) or would it be storing a full data subject (account database). > > Again I'm not a lawyer, but your national data privacy organisation are generally more than happy to answer these kind of questions if you contact them. > > -K?vin > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: signature.asc > > Type: application/pgp-signature > > Size: 249 bytes > > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > > URL: https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210625/ee8 53284/attachment-0001.sig > > Message: 6 > > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:43:08 -0400 > > From: The Gnuserland gnuserland@mailbox.org > > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > Subject: [USER][IDEA] Gemini Database of Places and Restaurants > > Message-ID: 9fedda3d-e67e-9b97-7352-e101c4540326@mailbox.org > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi Geminauts, > > I'd like to use Gemini as much as I can for my daily use, I wonder if > > all of us can work together to share comments and reviews of Places and > > Restaurants we love to go (or we don't love...) in order to make these > > information available through a simple search in Gemini, we might start > > creating in our capsule a page called something like the one below, > > which doesn't need to be necessarily shown on your root: > > country-city-places-and-restaurants.gmi > > or shorter > > country-city-places.gmi > > and the content might be something like: > > Italy, Rome (or # Italia, Roma) > =============================== > > Restaurant's name > ----------------- > > Type: Restaurant > > Kitchen: Regional > > Where: Via del Merluzzo, 121 > > Rating: ****/5 > > Descriptions: Nice Family owned restaurant full of local people (all > > this section is a fake) > > I understood this may risk to leak personal info that perhaps someone > > would prefer to keep private, hence this would be totally volunteer... > > I think the whole idea must be refined to be more "machine readable", > > but if we begin to create these pages maybe someone else can come out > > with a way to create a specialized capsule that can collect all these > > information and you can subscribe to this capsule with your own > > certificate and start adding your favorite places and reviews of. > > What do you think? > > My best, > > Gnuserland > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------- > > Message: 7 > > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 19:39:45 +0000 > > From: The Doctor drwho@virtadpt.net > > To: Gemini Mailing List gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > Subject: Re: A proposal to fund the Gemini project > > Message-ID: > > mxlZWZDKpvAxslIgcK_hA-S2sNZPcthrYcontOXONcOOn5dl6uxeawXuuETYBTB8QRCCuihJk bB5ToHFfZm0FvuVlimme4ImYUV_v9OC_ZI=@virtadpt.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > > On Thursday, June 24th, 2021 at 15:05, Chris McGowan cmcgowan9990@gmail.com wrote: > > > Reminds me of the the Munition T-Shirt that protested the (frankly > > > > stupid) encryption export laws in the US. (By the way, those are > > > > partially still in place...) > > ITAR has gotten way less of a pain in the ass since 2000. It still sucks to do the > > paperwork but it's 10 pages now and not 120 and a bunch of phone calls with the > > State Department. > > > tl;dr the shirt had a 3 line implementation of the RSA algorithm on it > > > > as a Perl one-liner and a machine readable barcode representing that > > > > same program. Technically, under the law at the time (circa 1996), that > > > > made the shirt a "munition". No, I'm not kidding and yes it was stupid. > > That was around the time that 2600 was also selling t-shirts that had the functional > > diagram for DES to whoever had $25us to spend. :) > > > It would be neat to have some sort of shirt that had a machine-readable > > > > minimal gemini server (or client) printed on it, but I think the TLS > > > > requirement would make that nearly impossible (max bytes for a QR code > > > > is ~4k). > > Depends on which TLS library you link in. > > The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510] > > WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ > > The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born. Now is the time of monsters. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > Gemini mailing list > > Gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/listinfo/gemini > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- > > End of Gemini Digest, Vol 23, Issue 44
Dear Charlie,
Its always a pleasure to hear about creative uses of value.
Of course, there are many examples of local scarcities producing
economic value and advantage
=> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_purple
```
Biological pigments were often difficult to acquire, and the details of
their production were kept secret by the manufacturers. Tyrian purple is a
pigment made from the mucus of several species of Murex snail. Production
of Tyrian purple for use as a fabric dye began as early as 1200 BCE by the
Phoenicians, and was continued by the Greeks and Romans until 1453 CE,
with the fall of Constantinople The pigment was expensive and complex to
produce, and items colored with it became associated with power and wealth
Tyrian purple may first have been used by the ancient Phoenicians as early
as 1570 BCE It has been suggested that the name Phoenicia itself means
'land of purple' The dye was greatly prized in antiquity because the
colour did not easily fade, but instead became brighter with weathering
and sunlight It came in various shades, the most prized being that of
black-tinted clotted blood
```
And then there is the Norman technique:
=> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tally_stick#Split_tally
```
The most prominent and best recorded use of the split tally stick or
"nick-stick"[6][7] being used as a form of currency[8] was when Henry I
introduced the tally stick system in medieval England in around 1100. He
would accept the tally stick only for taxes, and it was a tool of the
Exchequer for the collection of taxes by local sheriffs (tax farmers
"farming the shire")[citation needed] for seven centuries.
The system of tally marks of the Exchequer is described in The Dialogue
Concerning the Exchequer as follows:
The manner of cutting is as follows. At the top of the tally a cut is
made, the thickness of the palm of the hand, to represent a thousand
pounds; then a hundred pounds by a cut the breadth of a thumb; twenty
pounds, the breadth of the little finger; a single pound, the width of a
swollen barleycorn; a shilling rather narrower; then a penny is marked by
a single cut without removing any wood.
```
# Here is the formal title of a horrible person:
```
Prince Andrew:
Full name: Andrew Albert Christian Edward
Full title: His Royal Highness The Prince Andrew Albert Christian Edward,
Duke of York, Earl of Inverness, Baron Killyleagh, Knight Companion of the
Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian
Order, Canadian Forces Decoration, Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty.
```
Here is the LP sleeve featuring an unfortunate application of purple:
=> https://img.discogs.com/ySEwys4w4dhLw5IMHmVcBYvmNG4=/fit-in/600x600/filt
ers:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-374086
3-1427878432-9699.jpeg.jpg
And the setlist:
=> https://www.discogs.com/Unknown-Artist-Royal-Wedding-HRH-The-Prince-Andr
ew-Miss-Sarah-Ferguson/release/3740863
(FYI, his full title is nearly as long as the number of tracks)
# Is it possible to tally him?
Set a base price and build an exchange rate determined by logistics
costs for said item?
I could imagine Prince Andrew saying:
> Tally Ho!
With apologies to Miss Sarah Ferguson....
=> https://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/h1/h8299.jpg
charliebrownau <charliebrownau@protonmailcom> writes:
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Funding :-
>
> Problem with "mainstream" and "ALT tech"
> they both rely on the International Central banking cartel
> with payment processors , paypal, tspring,etc
>
> Also with Goverment demanded handouts an USD$20 shirt
> often ends up AUD$35/NZ$35/CA$35
> (Remember its not theif when the goverment calls it 'taxation' / gst+vat
/ income 'tax' /etc)
>
> Maybe help fund Master Server Hubs, District/national servers or
> invidual popular servers hosting various users that goes towards
> VPS/cohost/server costs directly
>
> Instead of going via some huge payment process or banking cartel system
>
> I would avoid Cypto all together
>
> The only currency I trust is anonymous phsyical cash (coins/notes)
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> Side note if anyone is interested in alt currency check out
> - Community Currency
> - Local Currency
> - Agorism + Counter Economics
>
>
> ___________________
> Regards
> Charliebrownau
> Charliebrownau@protonmailcom
>
>
--
Jonathan McHugh
indieterminacy@librebrussels
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