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Re: "Writing a blog post (on the web, sadly) about Geminispace...."
@flipperzero That's the thing I want to hit on with my blog post.
I get this notion that people view the smallweb/net and any projects surrounding it as just "a bunch of people with blogs that only exist to buck the mainstream". Going into this research, that was what I was expecting: "oh hey, look at all these cool people making cool articles on their Geminispace blogs!"
Then I played a game of Minesweeper using "just text and links" (and text input prompts) and made a forum post on this very website and communicated with people all around the world in a little corner of the internet no one really cares about and all of a sudden I feel like I'm in a time before I was even born.
@flipperzero That's the thing I want to hit on with my blog post.
I get this notion that people view the smallweb/net and any projects surrounding it as just "a bunch of people with blogs that only exist to buck the mainstream". Going into this research, that was what I was expecting: "oh hey, look at all these cool people making cool articles on their Geminispace blogs!"
Then I played a game of Minesweeper using "just text and links" (and text input prompts) and made a forum post on this very website and communicated with people all around the world in a little corner of the internet no one really cares about and all of a sudden I feel like I'm in a time before I was even born.
A bunch of this stuff you could already do with HTTP or PHP (hell, I remember fiddling around with these sort of text input promps back when I was first learning webdev), but the obscurity of the Gemini protocol along with the culture built around Geminispace has really made this place kind of a haven for Web 1.0 style sites, more than even Neocities has done imo.
All of this is to say I think I'll need to make this into a multipart series lmfao
Jul 09 · 8 weeks ago
😎 flipperzero · Jul 09 at 00:51:
@kebokyo Mirror your article here on Gemini! I'd be happy to read and comment on it. I think there oughta be more endorsement for open free tech no matter where, I even mean to make this effort back into the web to hopefully encourage more of the same there to bleed back into these parts so there's a healthy ecosystem back online instead of a gross commercial vibe.
There's even effort to make emphasis back on the original iteration of the web standard as well as building a completely original browser and web engine from the ground up, with some coverage here at the s/Privacy subspace. If you'll notice, there's even backlash around these parts to that effort under the notion that it's somehow saturation amidst already established commercialized engines, that it's still following a broken standard (ignoring the faithfulness to the original iteration), and that somehow it's a waste to continue to bother with the web. I feel that's harmful, not only to would-be web refugees, but to the smallnet at large. An open ecosystem anywhere is good for everywhere. Dismissing good faith projects, regardless of their 'attention', is operating with bad faith to the merit of those efforts to do better for everybody.
⛵️ kebokyo [OP...] · Jul 09 at 01:12:
@flipperzero I've been thinking about making a gemini mirror of my blog for a hot minute now, even before the current iteration of the site. I found an article of someone detailing how they went about implementing their mirror of a Next.js site [1] which gives me a really good starting point since I'm also using Next.js.
As for your second topic, are you talking about Ladybird? If so, while I don't think it will succeed because of said market saturation, I also agree with how the fatalism of certain people within the smallnet space is concerning. We don't need to hold on to the same sort of cynicism we need to have in order to survive on the corporate net. We need to support each other and help each other grow. Mutual aid is the only way the smallnet can survive against Big Tech.
— [1] Mirroring Next.js Blog to Gemini
I’m not against the Web just because of commercialism. The world before JavaScript was just fine, and if someone comes up with a great way to completely split “Web classic” off from the modern mess that might be interesting.
Can more or less do this by just using Lynx or w3m, but the problem is half the links won’t work because everything demands JavaScript to work. Ajax everywhere destroyed the idea of a JavaScript-free Web.
Maybe just go to html delivered over something than http: a forked Web.
⛵️ kebokyo [OP...] · Jul 09 at 01:52:
@istvan i mean, the Gemini protocol kinda serves as a "web fork", though that of course is disregarding the extra visual flair you can get with HTML+CSS.
and also... uh... my website is literally built on JavaScript and yet it requires no client-side Javascript to work. it's utter bullshit i know, but if a website literally made out of JS doesn't require client-side JS... maybe making more websites without client-side JS aren't off the table yet
If you want to write in Node.js, whatever. My issue is with anything that modifies or monitors a loaded document. I’d complain about ActiveX the same way if it still existed.
gemini://hd.206267.xyz, a federated "community"
Writing a blog post (on the web, sadly) about Geminispace. Are there any other cool sites on here that showcase what the Gemini protocol can do?
💬 kebokyo [...] · 15 comments · 1 like · Jul 08 · 8 weeks ago