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Re: "Biden vs. Trump: we lose either way"
they went to rallies, the government even shot people on the streets.
eventually russia anenxed crimea, and the president of ukraine ran away to russia.
if you want your brother to be in good relations with you, you don't abuse him, you are not toxic to him, and you respect him.
putin says that there is no "brother", he said in the recent interview to that former fox guy, that he doesn't agree that ukraine has a right to be a state. he told this 2.5 hours long story to justify his invasion. he really believes that his mission is to invade the nation because he thinks the people of ukraine doesn't deserve having a state.
Feb 23 · 6 months ago
🐙 norayr · 2024-02-23 at 20:15:
he also hats our leader because we elected him.
we got rid of corrupted government, which was supported by russia. russia has not much to suggest, and when they have, they don't want to.
as we know again from public interviwes of politicians who tried to negotiate with putin, they say - he doesn't negotiate. he says and we have to obey, otherwise he punishes.
so it was a "tradition" that the former republic leader (both ukraine and armenia) had to be presented to putin, then only "elected".
armenian people didn't tolerate that. they wanted real elections. we have different society than russia. armenian police (small society) this time didn't support the regime with much brutality.
🐙 norayr · 2024-02-23 at 20:18:
so we got who we wanted.
very similar to like in case with georgia, we got war as revenge.
our new leader did everything to demonstrate how loyal he is to putin. and that his only aim is to eliminate corruption inside the country.
but then putin said - those are my friends. and he didn't allow that.
our leader even sent troops to syria, which usa didn't like at all, just to prove to putin how loyal he is. but that didn't help. the leader of former republic shouldn't come by elections, without being approved by putin.
he has his rules. he has his vision. they said "they (armenia) have no choice, they have to join "common state" with russia.
🐙 norayr · 2024-02-23 at 20:19:
eventually. what putis says, is that "peter has stolen, so can i".
if you're good, you don't say that.
you don't do what bad people do.
you do what good people do. if usa have stolen, you don't have to do the same. and you don't have to kill innocent kids in ukraine.
have you seen the photos? don't those raise emotions? have you seen burned down buildings?
🚀 stack [OP] · 2024-02-23 at 20:45:
@satch yes! That's what they do. Walk away from negotiations and start over. Look a decades of this with Iran. There is no money in peace, and small wars help elections
🐐 satch · 2024-02-23 at 21:42:
@norayr i think you might be making assumptions about my beliefs which aren't quite right. I really do fault Putin and Russia for the war first and foremost. They are the aggressors, they are morally responsible for the majority of the suffering the war has caused, and they should be condemned by every nation in the world for this war.
I would *much* rather Ukraine win then Russia.
Just because the USA has actively made the situation worse and helped to create it in the first place doesn't mean that Russia gets off the hook for invading a sovereign nation.
🐙 norayr · 2024-02-23 at 22:37:
i am sorry.
i find myself sensitive to the extent i might be better off such discussions.
i just felt that some people might not be informed well enough.
but enough justifying myself. i feel i owe an apology to everyone who received notifications.
🐐 satch · 2024-02-23 at 22:44:
@norayr it's ok, don't worry :) i appreciate hearing your perspective
🚀 stack [OP] · 2024-02-24 at 00:49:
@norayr: I don think anyone disagrees with you!
🚀 stack [OP] · 2024-02-24 at 00:59:
This post was about the possible outcomes of US presidential election, especially regarding the US foreign policy (as in starting wars in Ukraine, Middle East and China).
Nothing in this post or followups justifies Putin!
Biden vs. Trump: we lose either way — [preformatted] This is pretty pathetic. I hate it when Trump is right, and he is right about Biden trying to start a war to get re-elected. Biden, or whoever the puppet master behind him is, has been working hard to stir up trouble. I really hope it does not go full out. Trump is a total criminal scumbag, but to be fair, Biden has not changed anything for the better. I think Trump is less likely to blow us all up -- he is in it to pardon himself and walk...