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1. Andrew Singleton (singletona082 (a) gmail.com)

=> https://singletona082.flounder.online/
HTTP flavor

=> gemini://singletona082.flounder.online/
Gemini flavor

the web proxy renders it as raw gemtext, and lagrange says 'preformatted
text without caption' until I click on it and then it behaves 'correctly'

Then again the server itself seems to have gone down. So that may be
relevant. I'm just 'what did I do wrong'? The fact this happens right as I
swap back to linux and thus FTP clients feels not coincidental.

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2. Stephane Bortzmeyer (stephane (a) sources.org)

On Sun, Jul 04, 2021 at 04:28:38PM -0500,
 Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> wrote 
 a message of 32 lines which said:

> the web proxy renders it as raw gemtext, and lagrange says 'preformatted
> text without caption' until I click on it and then it behaves 'correctly'

Strange, since I see no preformatted text on this page.

> Then again the server itself seems to have gone down.

Works for me.

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3. Andrew Singleton (singletona082 (a) gmail.com)

Removed the predormstted text to see if that was the issue. On both. Main 
index and gemlog index first lines aren't rendering (shows the h1#) unsure 
why it would do that past the fact for some danged reason filesilla opened 
the gmi files in ligroffice (by default it opens in xed if I just double 
click on the file.)

Jul 5, 2021 2:28:07 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer <stephane@sources.org>:

> On Sun, Jul 04, 2021 at 04:28:38PM -0500,
> Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> wrote
> a message of 32 lines which said:
> 
>> the web proxy renders it as raw gemtext, and lagrange says 'preformatted
>> text without caption' until I click on it and then it behaves 'correctly'
> 
> Strange, since I see no preformatted text on this page.
> 
>> Then again the server itself seems to have gone down.
> 
> Works for me.

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4. neil c timms (mingmengtou (a) use.startmail.com)

On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 2:33 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
> Removed the predormstted text to see if that was the issue. On both.
> Main index and gemlog index first lines aren't rendering (shows the h1#)
> unsure why it would do that past the fact for some danged reason
> filesilla opened the gmi files in ligroffice (by default it opens in xed
> if I just double click on the file.)
i might be picking up the wrong end of the stick here but:

would a space after the # help fix things and the page 
source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
:
#Cheapie Theatre

my own page source again from lagrange starts with just a #:
# neil in gemini space

could be a non-printing nasty char in the file.
Cheers Neil

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5. Andrew Singleton (singletona082 (a) gmail.com)

Nice thought but sadly no. May just rcrat and reupload the file to see if 
libre office did some kind of funky thing.

Jul 5, 2021 9:26:54 AM neil c timms <mingmengtou@use.startmail.com>:

> On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 2:33 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
>> Removed the predormstted text to see if that was the issue. On both.
>> Main index and gemlog index first lines aren't rendering (shows the h1#)
>> unsure why it would do that past the fact for some danged reason
>> filesilla opened the gmi files in ligroffice (by default it opens in xed
>> if I just double click on the file.)
> i might be picking up the wrong end of the stick here but:
> 
> would a space after the # help fix things and the page
> source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
> from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
> :
> #Cheapie Theatre
> 
> my own page source again from lagrange starts with just a #:
> # neil in gemini space
> 
> could be a non-printing nasty char in the file.
> Cheers Neil

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6. neil c timms (mingmengtou (a) use.startmail.com)

On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 5:20 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
> Nice thought but sadly no. May just rcrat and reupload the file to see
> if libre office did some kind of funky thing.
>
> > source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
> > from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
it still looks like your source page starts with <efff> a bom
(byte order mark). " Its presence interferes with the use of UTF-8 by
software that does not expect non-ASCII bytes at the start of a file but
that could otherwise handle the text stream."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark) i had included it in my
scrape of your page from Lagrange but i guess that it was filtered out 
for good reason in the trip from here to there, etc. i suggest looking
at your page source from Lagrange in an editor that supports making the
invisible visible:-) Other pages i scraped do not start with a bom.
I now remember having a battle with a bom many moons ago: most
confusing things as we can't see them easily yet they cause us pain.
Live long and prosper V Neil

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7. Andrew Singleton (singletona082 (a) gmail.com)

Dude, thanks.

So ya. Next step is figuring out how to make filesilla use an actual text 
editor instead of opening freaking office.

Appreciate the help.

Jul 5, 2021 1:48:18 PM neil c timms <mingmengtou@use.startmail.com>:

> On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 5:20 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
>> Nice thought but sadly no. May just rcrat and reupload the file to see
>> if libre office did some kind of funky thing.
>> 
>>> source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
>>> from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
> it still looks like your source page starts with <efff> a bom
> (byte order mark). " Its presence interferes with the use of UTF-8 by
> software that does not expect non-ASCII bytes at the start of a file but
> that could otherwise handle the text stream."
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark) i had included it in my
> scrape of your page from Lagrange but i guess that it was filtered out
> for good reason in the trip from here to there, etc. i suggest looking
> at your page source from Lagrange in an editor that supports making the
> invisible visible:-) Other pages i scraped do not start with a bom.
> I now remember having a battle with a bom many moons ago: most
> confusing things as we can't see them easily yet they cause us pain.
> Live long and prosper V Neil

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8. Andrew Singleton (singletona082 (a) gmail.com)

Alright ya, using notepad++ to specifically remove BaoM fixed the problem. 
Again appcist the help, and credited the list on the blog post announcing the fix.

Jul 5, 2021 4:16:48 PM Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com>:

> Dude, thanks.
> 
> So ya. Next step is figuring out how to make filesilla use an actual 
text editor instead of opening freaking office.
> 
> Appreciate the help.
> 
> Jul 5, 2021 1:48:18 PM neil c timms <mingmengtou@use.startmail.com>:
> 
>> On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 5:20 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
>>> Nice thought but sadly no. May just rcrat and reupload the file to see
>>> if libre office did some kind of funky thing.
>>> 
>>>> source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
>>>> from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
>> it still looks like your source page starts with <efff> a bom
>> (byte order mark). " Its presence interferes with the use of UTF-8 by
>> software that does not expect non-ASCII bytes at the start of a file but
>> that could otherwise handle the text stream."
>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark) i had included it in my
>> scrape of your page from Lagrange but i guess that it was filtered out
>> for good reason in the trip from here to there, etc. i suggest looking
>> at your page source from Lagrange in an editor that supports making the
>> invisible visible:-) Other pages i scraped do not start with a bom.
>> I now remember having a battle with a bom many moons ago: most
>> confusing things as we can't see them easily yet they cause us pain.
>> Live long and prosper V Neil

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