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Re: "Object-orientation and other dumb ideas"
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I was obsessed with Self for many years, and eventually got to play with it. Sadly Sun hired Ungar and pretty much killed further development. Many amazing things from Self -- compiled polymorphic caches and a very innovative garbage collector wound up in Java's JIT compiler.
Self is like Smalltalk on drugs. You can use any object as a prototype and add slots, and everything just works. Things get weird fast, and you have to come up with all kinds of ways to keep inheritance from biting you.
I kind of loved it, but in the end, it's really hard to get anything done with it. After a while I missed the simplicity of Smalltalk (which now has bytecode interpreters that use Self tech).
I spent a couple of years writing a language that was Self-like, but instead of individual slots you mixed and matched interfaces, or groups of slots. It actually worked a lot better than Self conceptually. Eventually I ran out of steam and money, like so many of my great ideas that no one cares about.
Jun 08 · 3 months ago
I spent a couple of years writing a language that was Self-like, but instead of individual slots you mixed and matched interfaces, or groups of slots. It actually worked a lot better than Self conceptually. Eventually I ran out of steam and money, like so many of my great ideas that no one cares about.
Wow that sounds awesome, unfortunate about the lack of steam and money. I love interfaces, and Smalltalks multiple inhiertance does get scary (like C++'s) for sure.
There's something you don't like? Call it stupid idea and social contagion. Add some out of topic hot takes.
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Object-orientation and other dumb ideas — Daniel Lemire has posted some great articles and is always interesting to read. Here is his short take on OOP, a stupid idea based on nothing that went so viral that opposing it would cost you your job, your friends, and your reputation. Includes a guide on how to spot these brain viruses as they spread near you. Look around and spot some current idiocies around you, and post your observations here, if you dare!
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