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First of all my apologies if this has already been discussed before. After a long time consuming gemlogs by subscribing to gemini pages that comply with the widely adopted subscription convention described here: gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/companion/subscription.gmi I can't help but notice that at their core, email and usenet show a similar pattern to index.gmi files inside gemlog folders when presenting an index of messages to the user, perhaps with the exception that they also show a from address, in addition to a date and a subject. Does anyone think it would be useful to have a gemnet folder inside our capsules, in a similar fashion to gemlog, using the same subscription convention as mentioned above, but perhaps adding a "from" field like this: /gemnet/index.gmi: #gluon's gemnet => hello_gemnet!.gmi 2021-03-01 - Hello gemnet! - gluon => another_message.gmi 2021-03-02 - Another message - gluon => one_more_message.gmi 2021-03-03 - One more message - gluon => re:and_now_a_reply.gmi 2021-03-03 - Re: And now a reply - gluon => re:and_now_a_reply_2.gmi 2021-03-03 - Re: And now a reply - gluon => re:and_now_a_reply_3.gmi 2021-03-03 - Re: And now a reply - gluon That renders as usual: #gluon's gemnet 2021-03-01 - Hello gemnet! - gluon 2021-03-02 - Another message - gluon 2021-03-03 - One more message - gluon 2021-03-03 - Re: And now a reply - gluon 2021-03-03 - Re: And now a reply - gluon 2021-03-03 - Re: And now a reply - gluon This looks like a very simple way to post messages and replies in a "semi-distrubuted" way, making use of Gemini as the underlying transport mechanism. Distributed in the sense that messages would live only within the server of each author. Then, anyone interested in the messages of a particular author would make use of clients that allow YYYY-MM-DD subscriptions or run local aggregators with such feeds to be able to see the messages. Posting messages or replies would be elegantly the same as posting a gemlog entry, using whatever mechanism you already use for that. That said, specialised clients could also easily be developed to make use of this convention and allow an interface more similar to an email/usenet client if desired. One further convenience of this "network architecture" is that SPAM is easily avoided, since that by design, you need to opt-in to any person's feed and you won't see the messages of anyone you haven't subscribed to. Think of a killfile from usenet but in reverse. I mentioned a separate folder called gemnet, but in reality gemlogs are so generic that we could use them as they are. After all, any gemlog post could be a message itself. Using the current gemlog folders would even make it very easy to reply to gemlog posts, something many people often feel the need to. However, maybe this approach would create too much SPAM, so I think having a separate gemnet folder is more reasonable? I guess that's it. Once again sorry if this makes no sense at all, or has already been discussed. On the other hand, if you resonate with the concept, I'm willing to create my own gemnet and subscribe to anyone who does the same. We could experiment communicating using Gemini this way. -- Vasco Costa AKA gluon. Enthusiastic about computers, motorsports, science, technology, travelling and TV series. Yes I'm a bit of a geek. Gemini: gemini://gluonspace.com/
Neat idea! Have you seen lace? gemini://friendo.monster/log/lace.gmi
On Mon, Mar 01, 2021 at 07:19:11PM -0000, text at sdfeu.org wrote: > Neat idea! Have you seen lace? > > gemini://friendo.monster/log/lace.gmi > I didn't know lace, thanks for sharing. It looks pretty cool and shows what sort of amazing things can be done just by noticing patterns and adhering to simple conventions. -- Vasco Costa AKA gluon. Enthusiastic about computers, motorsports, science, technology, travelling and TV series. Yes I'm a bit of a geek. Gemini: gemini://gluonspace.com/
Following up to my initial post, here's my gemnet folder. If you're used to YYYY-MM-DD feeds, feel free to subscribe to my gemenet, create your own gemnet folder following the same Gemini feed subscription as you do for gemlogs and then share it with me: gemini://gluonspace.com/gemnet/ -- Vasco Costa AKA gluon. Enthusiastic about computers, motorsports, science, technology, travelling and TV series. Yes I'm a bit of a geek. Gemini: gemini://gluonspace.com/
I wrote GAMS specification which is a bit close to your idea, but with boards to hold threads on specific subjects. See gemini://gemlog.lanterne.chilliet.eu/2021-01-07%20[gams-en]GAMS-board-system.en.gmi It did not get much traction though and there is no active board for now. I do hope to start a french one at some point, but I need to find motivated gemlog authors. C?me -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210301/c55e 0ec6/attachment.sig>
On Mon, Mar 01, 2021 at 09:12:10PM +0100, C?me Chilliet wrote: > I wrote GAMS specification which is a bit close to your idea, but with boards to hold threads on specific subjects. > > See gemini://gemlog.lanterne.chilliet.eu/2021-01-07%20[gams-en]GAMS-board-system.en.gmi > > It did not get much traction though and there is no active board for now. > I do hope to start a french one at some point, but I need to find motivated gemlog authors. Thanks for sharing. The concept seems quite similar indeed. Maybe the idea of exchanging messages isn't something that necessarily appeals Gemini users, who maybe see email as good enough for that. Regardless of that, I find all these simple conventions so elegant and generic enough that I can think of all sorts of systems based on them. I'll read more about GAMS. -- Vasco Costa AKA gluon. Enthusiastic about computers, motorsports, science, technology, travelling and TV series. Yes I'm a bit of a geek.
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