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[Not tagged since there is no obvious tag for this subject.] Gemini seems to have some success <gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi> but one day or the other, we'll have to move further and tries to promote it to normal people. This is what is done for systems like PeerTube <https://joinpeertube.org/> (or <https://joinfediverse.org/>, which seems to be in french only) with a Web site explaining what it is, how to join, etc, targeted to real people. Now, don't get me wrong, I do not suggest to launch such a Web site tomorrow. Gemini is not stable enough, the specification is not final, and most Gemini programs are not yet packaged for typical operating systems. But creating such an "outreach" Web site takes time so may be it could be a good idea to start working on it? (I have no special competences on that field, I just suggest a joingemini.org could be cool.)
Such a project would be a great addition to the Gemini project. The domain you propose is still available, someone would have to spend the money for the domain to register. I can do that and would be willing to hold the domain in trust. However, I don't want to build a site like this myself. And on the other hand, who would take the time to maintain the site, respond to issues and implement changes and translations requested by the community? It'll take some time and you won't get anything for it. Except some community love of course :-). So if you want me to shell out the $12 for the domain, I would be glad to do it. - Louis Am Mo, 8. Feb 2021, um 17:41, schrieb Stephane Bortzmeyer: > [Not tagged since there is no obvious tag for this subject.] > > Gemini seems to have some success > <gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi> but one day > or the other, we'll have to move further and tries to promote it to > normal people. This is what is done for systems like PeerTube > <https://joinpeertube.org/> (or <https://joinfediverse.org/>, which > seems to be in french only) with a Web site explaining what it is, how > to join, etc, targeted to real people. > > Now, don't get me wrong, I do not suggest to launch such a Web site > tomorrow. Gemini is not stable enough, the specification is not final, > and most Gemini programs are not yet packaged for typical operating > systems. > > But creating such an "outreach" Web site takes time so may be it could > be a good idea to start working on it? (I have no special competences > on that field, I just suggest a joingemini.org could be cool.) >
Full disclosure: ?I work for the Linux Professional Institute (https://www.lpi.org). ?We have a sister site, FOSSLife (https://www.fosslife.org) that promotes anything FOSS-related. ?We regularly hold meetings where we discuss ideas for subjects to promote/raise awareness for, and publish an article about them. ?My responsibility is in the technology arena, and I have been toying with the idea of bringing up a 'gentle introduction to gemini'. ?If anyone has ideas as to what would be a good approach to bring new people into the sphere, I would welcome them. ?Just like the very early web, there was a higher-barrier to entry. ?Gemini has that now, but I was thinking of a good step-by-step starter tutorial with some explanations on how to get a person set up 1. on an existing gemini hosting service 2. on their own server. ?What do you all think? Thanks! - Kenny On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 17:41 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > [Not tagged since there is no obvious tag for this subject.] > > Gemini seems to have some success > <gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi> but one day > or the other, we'll have to move further and tries to promote it to > normal people. This is what is done for systems like PeerTube > <https://joinpeertube.org/> (or <https://joinfediverse.org/>, which > seems to be in french only) with a Web site explaining what it is, > how > to join, etc, targeted to real people. > > Now, don't get me wrong, I do not suggest to launch such a Web site > tomorrow. Gemini is not stable enough, the specification is not > final, > and most Gemini programs are not yet packaged for typical operating > systems. > > But creating such an "outreach" Web site takes time so may be it > could > be a good idea to start working on it? (I have no special competences > on that field, I just suggest a joingemini.org could be cool.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210208/0b37 4131/attachment.htm>
On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 05:53:24PM +0100, Louis Brauer <louis at brauer.family> wrote a message of 31 lines which said: > So if you want me to shell out the $12 for the domain, I would be glad to do it. IMHO, this is the smallest problem. Creating a Web site that will both appeal to people and will follow some Gemini principles (of course, having a lot of Javascript and cookies on this Web site would be contradictory with our goals), is the difficult part.
On 08.02.2021 17:41, St?phane Bortzmeyer wrote: > Gemini seems to have some success > <gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi> but one day > or the other, we'll have to move further and tries to promote it to > normal people. This is what is done for systems like PeerTube > <https://joinpeertube.org/> (or <https://joinfediverse.org/>, which > seems to be in french only) There's also <https://joinmastodon.org> and <https://pleroma.social>. > with a Web site explaining what it is, how > to join, etc, targeted to real people. By turing test I am convinced that more than 0 people on this mailing list are also "real", but I get your point. > Now, don't get me wrong, I do not suggest to launch such a Web site > tomorrow. Gemini is not stable enough, the specification is not final, > and most Gemini programs are not yet packaged for typical operating > systems. The only email from solderpunk this year so far mentioned moving stuff to another domain [1], which would be the right place for such a page. On 2021-01-01T18:07Z, Solderpunk wrote: > On a more community-oriented note, I would also like to overhaul the > project's public face and delegate some of the responsibility of > managing it.? I plan to transition the project to a new domain this > year, rather than stick with gemini.circumlunar.space. back to what St?phane Bortzmeyer wrote: > But creating such an "outreach" Web site takes time so may be it could > be a good idea to start working on it? (I have no special competences > on that field, I just suggest a joingemini.org could be cool.) This is probably the more interesting problem, a version of the classical lack of content. But if there is a specific point to contribute, that would probably be helpful. [1] <gemini://gemi.dev/gemini-mailing-list/messages/004642.gmi> -- You can verify the digital signature on this email with the public key available through web key discovery. Try e.g. `gpg --locate-keys`... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_0xA4EFCC5A6174FB0F.asc Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 3131 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210208/a24f e9fd/attachment-0001.bin> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_signature Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 840 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210208/a24f e9fd/attachment-0001.sig>
YouTubers are already doing this, sometimes with otherwordly click-bait like "let's replace the Web with Gemini" or something along those lines. I've been thinking on commenting on those but, a) I have youtube on my etc/hosts as 0.0.0.0 and b) I've been like a month and a bit on Gemini (and yet I seem to know more than those youtubers... dear, dear)
On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 05:08:21PM +0000, Miguel de Luis Espinosa <enteka at fastmail.com> wrote a message of 3 lines which said: > YouTubers are already doing this, sometimes with otherwordly > click-bait like "let's replace the Web with Gemini" or something > along those lines. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq1k_FCWPXk> "Gemini Is What The Web Should Have Been" is quite good (but not what I thought about when I talked about "outreach to real people", specially when he launches Agate, and of course the surrounding environment of his video is not made for Mr Smith). <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YzN4hAnvSQ> "The Modern Web Is Bloated, Use Gemini Instead!" is more questionable for instance when it says there is no search engine but it does the job, although probably not what an outreach Web site would do. One of the issues with outreach is that you don't talk the same to people who just want to browse the geminispace and people who want to publish content.
>> But creating such an "outreach" Web site takes time so may be it could >> be a good idea to start working on it? (I have no special competences >> on that field, I just suggest a joingemini.org could be cool.) >> I actually have gemini.is (gemini.is/great <http://gemini.is/great>/?:D) knocking about, I don't use it for my capsule any more so I could just slap it on my DreamHost account if anybody has ideas for doing a thing. -K?vin -- Envoi s?curis? avec Tutanota. Obtenez votre propre adresse email chiffr?e : https://tutanota.com
karmstrong at artorinix.com writes: > My responsibility is in the technology arena, and I have been toying > with the idea of bringing up a 'gentle introduction to gemini'. If > anyone has ideas as to what would be a good approach to bring new > people into the sphere, I would welcome them. Just like the very early > web, there was a higher-barrier to entry. Gemini has that now, but I > was thinking of a good step-by-step starter tutorial with some > explanations on how to get a person set up 1. on an existing gemini > hosting service 2. on their own server. What do you all think? After a discussion with some friends on a private Matrix room a couple days ago, I was convinced of the need for a kind of Gemini "quickstart" for completely non-technical users. I've registered geminiquickst.art, and have been writing content for it, but I haven't actually set the server up. Probably soon, once the main page is up. So far, I have been focusing on the even more basic issue of "what is a Gemini client, and how do I install one?", because this is actually the first sticking point that people run into. I'm also going to address the issue of how to find things to read.
On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:15:18 -0500 Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net>: > karmstrong at artorinix.com writes: > > I'd *like* to fairly rapidly get hosting a Gemini capsule to be "as > simple as hosting a Geocities site in 1996", and from there, make > progress towards "as simple as having a LiveJournal in 2004", the catch > being is that I want to do this with as little Web Platform technology > as possible, and preferably none. > this could be done as simply offering a nextcloud hosting that leads to a directory published on the gemini server. That's a bit overkill but will be easy to access to non tech people I think.
Solene Rapenne writes:
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:15:18 -0500
> Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net>:
>> I'd *like* to fairly rapidly get hosting a Gemini capsule to be "as
>> simple as hosting a Geocities site in 1996", and from there, make
>> progress towards "as simple as having a LiveJournal in 2004", the
>> catch being is that I want to do this with as little Web Platform
>> technology as possible, and preferably none.
>>
>
> this could be done as simply offering a nextcloud hosting that leads
> to a directory published on the gemini server. That's a bit overkill
> but will be easy to access to non tech people I think.
That's certainly a thought! I'm not sure how straightforward a nextcloud
signup is. My current thinking is towards a cross-platform native GUI
app that provides a fully-integrated signup (within a ring of supporting
hosting providers), reading, and publishing (over scp/rsync). But I
don't currently have the sporks to implement it.
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Jason McBrayer | ?Strange is the night where black stars rise,
jmcbray at carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies,
| but stranger still is lost Carcosa.?
| ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow
On Wed Feb 10, 2021 at 7:15 AM PST, Jason McBrayer wrote: > *Hosting* is going to be a bigger issue, IMO. To my eyes, sites like > flounder.online and midnight.pub go a long way to make getting a > Gemini presence set up easier, but in discussion with my less > technical friends, I learned that things about their sign-up processes > can be off-putting and feel unsafe. I have thoughts about how to > handle this, but for now, I'm probably going to punt on the hosting > section. Hi, I'm the admin/creator of flounder.online. What about the sign up process makes them feel unsafe? It seems pretty standard to me -- username/password registration -- are you suggesting something like Google/Twitter/etc OAuth login? All the best, Alex
On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 8:21 AM Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net> wrote: > > Solene Rapenne writes: > > > On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:15:18 -0500 > > Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net>: > >> I'd *like* to fairly rapidly get hosting a Gemini capsule to be "as > >> simple as hosting a Geocities site in 1996", and from there, make > >> progress towards "as simple as having a LiveJournal in 2004", the > >> catch being is that I want to do this with as little Web Platform > >> technology as possible, and preferably none. > >> > > > > this could be done as simply offering a nextcloud hosting that leads > > to a directory published on the gemini server. That's a bit overkill > > but will be easy to access to non tech people I think. > > That's certainly a thought! I'm not sure how straightforward a nextcloud > signup is. My current thinking is towards a cross-platform native GUI > app that provides a fully-integrated signup (within a ring of supporting > hosting providers), reading, and publishing (over scp/rsync). But I > don't currently have the sporks to implement it. > > -- > Jason McBrayer | ?Strange is the night where black stars rise, > jmcbray at carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies, > | but stranger still is lost Carcosa.? > | ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow > That's what the Mansfield client does (minus a native GUI, since it's a text UI) - it's meant to be the quickest path to an account on a gemini server. After downloading the client (builds are available for Windows, Mac, and Linux), you can just press Ctrl-N and it will automatically do everything for you. Your account is based on whatever cert is active when you request an account. The client will make a new random one the first time you run it (with the common name of 'default'). There are shortcut keys in the client to manage the client's certs - with an option to create a new cert using a common name provided by the user. Editing text/gemini docs from a created account is done *in the Mansfield client* by design. We feel users shouldn't have to know anything about SSH to contribute content to geminispace. All of this works with the gemini server at ondollo.com by default. https://ondollo.com/mansfield We're super excited at the possibilities that exist when content creation moves in the direction of "as simple as it can be". Gemini and cert-based accounts feel like a great start. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210211/498a efdb/attachment.htm>
I am a total newbie here, looking to help people migrate from the mainline social media to something more like the Internet of the '90s. I don't know how folks on this list feel about gemlog.blue as a gateway drug, but signup and posting are about as simple as it gets, and you can post a proxy http link to your blog on any medium, or in email. Sooner or later the standard browsers will recognize the protocol and invoke a proxy, as some already do with ipfs. Frank Palmer Purcell Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:15 AM, Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net> wrote: > karmstrong at artorinix.com writes: > > > My responsibility is in the technology arena, and I have been toying > > with the idea of bringing up a 'gentle introduction to gemini'. If > > anyone has ideas as to what would be a good approach to bring new > > people into the sphere, I would welcome them. Just like the very early > > web, there was a higher-barrier to entry. Gemini has that now, but I > > was thinking of a good step-by-step starter tutorial with some > > explanations on how to get a person set up 1. on an existing gemini > > hosting service 2. on their own server. What do you all think? > > After a discussion with some friends on a private Matrix room a couple > days ago, I was convinced of the need for a kind of Gemini "quickstart" > for completely non-technical users. > > I've registered geminiquickst.art, and have been writing content for it, > but I haven't actually set the server up. Probably soon, once the main > page is up. So far, I have been focusing on the even more basic issue of > "what is a Gemini client, and how do I install one?", because this is > actually the first sticking point that people run into. I'm also going > to address the issue of how to find things to read. > > Hosting is going to be a bigger issue, IMO. To my eyes, sites like > flounder.online and midnight.pub go a long way to make getting a Gemini > presence set up easier, but in discussion with my less technical > friends, I learned that things about their sign-up processes can be > off-putting and feel unsafe. I have thoughts about how to handle this, > but for now, I'm probably going to punt on the hosting section. > > I'd like to fairly rapidly get hosting a Gemini capsule to be "as > simple as hosting a Geocities site in 1996", and from there, make > progress towards "as simple as having a LiveJournal in 2004", the catch > being is that I want to do this with as little Web Platform technology > as possible, and preferably none. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- > > Jason McBrayer | ?Strange is the night where black stars rise, > jmcbray at carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies, > | but stranger still is lost Carcosa.? > | ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow
Mansfield writes:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 8:21 AM Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net> wrote:
>> My current thinking is towards a cross-platform native GUI app that
>> provides a fully-integrated signup (within a ring of supporting
>> hosting providers), reading, and publishing (over scp/rsync).
> That's what the Mansfield client does (minus a native GUI, since it's
> a text UI) - it's meant to be the quickest path to an account on a
> gemini server.
Hi! I plan on downloading it and checking it out when I have more time.
Is there source available? If not, is there documentation, at the level
of "how signup is done, what's used to upload", etc.?
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Jason McBrayer | ?Strange is the night where black stars rise,
jmcbray at carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies,
| but stranger still is lost Carcosa.?
| ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 8:36 PM Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net> wrote: > > Mansfield writes: > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 8:21 AM Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net> > wrote: > > >> My current thinking is towards a cross-platform native GUI app that > >> provides a fully-integrated signup (within a ring of supporting > >> hosting providers), reading, and publishing (over scp/rsync). > > > That's what the Mansfield client does (minus a native GUI, since it's > > a text UI) - it's meant to be the quickest path to an account on a > > gemini server. > > Hi! I plan on downloading it and checking it out when I have more time. > Is there source available? If not, is there documentation, at the level > of "how signup is done, what's used to upload", etc.? > The source is not currently available. There also isn't documentation... it's an experiment I've been running... I should start a new thread sharing details of the experiment though. Thanks for asking! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210218/fdc6 bea8/attachment.htm>
Recently the Wikipedia page got accompanied by its Wikiversity counterpart => https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Gemini This seems like a great place to collaboratively add frequently asked questions (and some answers) as well as maybe tutorials in sub pages. On Mon, 08 Feb 2021 17:41:00 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > [Not tagged since there is no obvious tag for this subject.] > > Gemini seems to have some success > <gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi> but one day or > the other, we'll have to move further and tries to promote it to normal > people. This is what is done for systems like PeerTube > <https://joinpeertube.org/> (or <https://joinfediverse.org/>, which > seems to be in french only) with a Web site explaining what it is, how > to join, etc, targeted to real people. > > Now, don't get me wrong, I do not suggest to launch such a Web site > tomorrow. Gemini is not stable enough, the specification is not final, > and most Gemini programs are not yet packaged for typical operating > systems. > > But creating such an "outreach" Web site takes time so may be it could > be a good idea to start working on it? (I have no special competences on > that field, I just suggest a joingemini.org could be cool.)
I've promoted Gemini to some blind people by adding the Elaho client to the Applevis app directory: https://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/utilities/elaho And I plan on talking about it more on Twitter, where most blind people are, and other places. I think Gemini can be a great, simple, content-rich place for blind people. Devin Prater r.d.t.prater at gmail.com On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:20 AM <text at sdfeu.org> wrote: > Recently the Wikipedia page got accompanied by its Wikiversity counterpart > > => https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Gemini > > This seems like a great place to collaboratively add frequently asked > questions (and some answers) as well as maybe tutorials in sub pages. > > > On Mon, 08 Feb 2021 17:41:00 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > > [Not tagged since there is no obvious tag for this subject.] > > > > Gemini seems to have some success > > <gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi> but one day or > > the other, we'll have to move further and tries to promote it to normal > > people. This is what is done for systems like PeerTube > > <https://joinpeertube.org/> (or <https://joinfediverse.org/>, which > > seems to be in french only) with a Web site explaining what it is, how > > to join, etc, targeted to real people. > > > > Now, don't get me wrong, I do not suggest to launch such a Web site > > tomorrow. Gemini is not stable enough, the specification is not final, > > and most Gemini programs are not yet packaged for typical operating > > systems. > > > > But creating such an "outreach" Web site takes time so may be it could > > be a good idea to start working on it? (I have no special competences on > > that field, I just suggest a joingemini.org could be cool.) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210308/f4e8 1b66/attachment.htm>
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