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2024-01-01 02:01:57	rynn	So, hopefully I'm not overlooking something obvious here, but does anyone know what determines what Lagrange displays as the topmost page title, which also seems to be the same as the text after the em dash in the tab?
2024-01-01 02:16:34	rynn	As far as I can tell, it uses your base URL, UNLESS your path uses a ~ somewhere, in which case it uses what follows between the ~ and the next / ?
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2024-01-01 15:33:16	dece	dozens: nice post thanks
2024-01-01 15:33:55	dece	funny that you posted it on dec 31, NYE sounds like a good time to start a journal
2024-01-01 15:36:09	dozens	haha, do it!
2024-01-01 15:38:03	dozens	i posted it because i somehow accidentally overwrote it. i originally wrote it in july of this.... i mean, last year haha. so i just re-wrote it real quick yesterday
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2024-01-01 15:39:28	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+qo Saint_Tuesday Saint_Tuesday] by ChanServ
2024-01-01 15:40:40	dece	:D
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2024-01-01 16:32:25	dobody-	dozens, great entry :) 
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2024-01-01 16:40:34	dobody-	I just uploaded my capsule yesterday :)) (or last year (i had to..)) gemini://dobody.srht.site
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2024-01-02 06:13:11	ew0k	rynn: I’ve never used lagrange, but that sounds like smart heuristics. Many capsules are hosted on pubnixes/tildes. If the capsule is on gemini://tilde.team/~ew0k/ it more or less always means that the author calls themselves ew0k
2024-01-02 06:14:20	ew0k	That’s where I had my capsule before setting up my own server and moving to it (gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/)
2024-01-02 06:15:06	ew0k	Makes sense to use that as the title if present
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2024-01-02 17:08:08	entikan	is there a cross-protocol (so it includes gemini) way to download files using python?
2024-01-02 17:08:39	entikan	I know most libs like request are http only 
2024-01-02 17:09:32	rkta	can't curl do gemini? python has a curl package
2024-01-02 17:10:13	entikan	I'll see. I do remember reading a critical essay about gemini by the curl maintainer
2024-01-02 17:11:10	demure	I would also assume curl is the answer
2024-01-02 17:11:16	thrig	nope, curl author rejected gemini in curl
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2024-01-02 17:12:35	entikan	https://github.com/curl/curl/pull/11170 yeh 
2024-01-02 17:12:40	demure	hmm, doesn't curl support gopher though?
2024-01-02 17:12:47	entikan	but rejected because of poor testing
2024-01-02 17:13:09	entikan	nothing against gemini itself it seems
2024-01-02 17:13:10	demure	ah, well quality is important
2024-01-02 17:13:18	entikan	I agree
2024-01-02 17:14:00	entikan	I'll use curl assuming it will support gemini in the near future
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2024-01-02 17:16:15	dobody	gemini://dobody.srht.site/gemlog/posts/2024-01-02-dead-end-sites.gmi  An Ode To Dead End Pages
2024-01-02 17:18:17	rkta	dobody: Is there a reason part of the article is wrapped in ```?
2024-01-02 17:19:09	entikan	beautifully written dobody 
2024-01-02 17:19:09	rkta	ah, I see, plain text ode...
2024-01-02 17:19:33	dobody	thanks! 
2024-01-02 17:20:41	dobody	yeah i thought I should keep the formatting as it is on the webpage (which, well, is inaccessible without me checking the filename through ftp)
2024-01-02 17:22:38	dobody	right now this is the link: http://delyo.be/1234578/6594461a4c43b.php  but the next person to see it will have to copy the new link to give it to only one person :) 
2024-01-02 17:22:56	entikan	that mysterious/hidden poetry stuff is a big part of what I like about gemini also
2024-01-02 17:23:03	entikan	though this is considerably more hidden >.<
2024-01-02 17:24:31	dobody	entikan big time, part of the reason i joined the ride, there's this raw way of showing beautiful things 
2024-01-02 17:25:44	entikan	right, and knowing you're currently experiencing something that only very few get to is beautiful
2024-01-02 17:26:43	thrig	the poem in the ``` doesn't wrap very well and thus may be tricky to read
2024-01-02 17:28:41	dobody	I was wondering about that btw, the social aesthetics of gemini and gopher. They're very different even in the technical aspect so they'll never quite be like the www, but what would change when more people join up? Since the pages are mostly static except for gestbooks and all I guess not much in the individual experience of capsules, but I like the fact that crosslinking will flourish
2024-01-02 17:29:33	dobody	thrig, true - maybe I could change that, especially since the first fe lines are considerably longer than the others
2024-01-02 17:30:02	★	rkta stopped reading because lines don't wrap
2024-01-02 17:30:15	thrig	I take pains to (mostly) hard wrap stuff in ``` to fit within 80 columns
2024-01-02 17:31:50	entikan	I've thought about that too. There should be a way to poke other geminauts that a log is a response to their log
2024-01-02 17:32:20	thrig	this has been discussed before
2024-01-02 17:32:23	entikan	or the other way around "I'm open to know wether someone is writing a log inspired by mine"
2024-01-02 17:32:28	entikan	I'm sure
2024-01-02 17:32:47	★	dobody remembers my typesettign classes of 2yrs ago where those 80 columns were talked about both for print and screens
2024-01-02 17:33:08	dobody	Like webmentions?
2024-01-02 17:36:57	entikan	yeah I guess. I was more thinking like the early days of youtube when it seems like people were having debates uploading responses
2024-01-02 17:37:04	dobody	That would be great, perhaps feed aggregators could integrate this feature, when they see a link to another capsule in a post they show it and you could search / query / filter through recent pages for your capsule
2024-01-02 17:37:45	★	dobody talks about this but has an immense difficulty even trying to generate an atom feed through gssg
2024-01-02 17:39:21	entikan	you could have really meaningful long-form communication like this I'm sure, kind of soap-box-snail-mail
2024-01-02 17:43:53	dobody	Would be great, considering most of us want to have interactions but are tired of the short-form compulsive social media commenting
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2024-01-02 17:48:42	entikan	same. I want real human moments and connections, not a star with a number next to it.
2024-01-02 17:49:17	entikan	and real discussions and emotions, not quippy comebacks and sand throwing 
2024-01-02 17:50:21	entikan	and instead of thick AI filters just lower the resolution and limit the color palette :P
2024-01-02 17:50:23	rkta	In the old days, you would put your email address on your site and people responding to an article would send you the link.
2024-01-02 17:51:08	entikan	yeah I remember the days you could just tell people to send some money to an account to get a product in return :P
2024-01-02 17:52:32	dobody	rtka hah, I'm too young to have lived this but hell, that's exactly what I did and why I did it 
2024-01-02 17:54:09	dobody	bring back square avatars grrrr
2024-01-02 17:54:09	rkta	dobody: I don't see an email address on your article, though. How would I tell you I wrote a reply?
2024-01-02 17:57:02	dobody	Oh, sorry it's on my main page
2024-01-02 17:58:24	rkta	Maybe you want to put it on every page or atleast link to the main page.
2024-01-02 17:59:18	dobody	not bad, not bad, see I'm learning good practices every day 
2024-01-02 18:00:03	rkta	getting feedback is hard, make it as easy as possible
2024-01-02 18:09:38	dobody	just did it, thanks for the idea
2024-01-02 18:11:56	thrig	otoh posting your email address was a great way to attract buckets o' spam
2024-01-02 18:12:28	entikan	that's mostly true for the web (atm)
2024-01-02 18:12:49	rkta	My email is all over the web and I don't get much spam. And I doubt spammers will harvest on gemini.
2024-01-02 18:13:28	entikan	but yeah cryptobros are getting pretty senseless once they have their hands on any e-mail adress
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2024-01-02 18:14:47	rkta	dobody: Did write about the forgotten punk bands you are listening to? I'd be curious which ones this are.
2024-01-02 18:14:53	thrig	the bitcoinbros have been spamming since about day 1 of bitcoins
2024-01-02 18:15:29	entikan	I have a few burners that are almost unusable now because of 2 emails a second from "you got money in your cryptowallets" with the odd "I've recorded yous!" shuffled in here and there 
2024-01-02 18:15:42	entikan	burners I use for very limited specific things
2024-01-02 18:16:02	thrig	aliases are great for random web forms. spam starts? drop the alias
2024-01-02 18:16:54	entikan	yeh. kind of weird one of them I used for discord only
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2024-01-02 18:17:06	entikan	must have gotten leaked or something
2024-01-02 18:19:00	entikan	rkta: I just got recommended ABC Diabolo in a different channel, it's pretty rad so far 
2024-01-02 18:19:32	entikan	not sure if that's what they meant
2024-01-02 18:19:46	rkta	most spam I get comes to addresses used for one service. Still get a lot of spam to my myspace address. But procmail takes care.
2024-01-02 18:21:31	entikan	weird huh, it's almost like web services can't be trusted at all whodathunkit
2024-01-02 18:23:38	demure	I'm sure if gemini was the most popular protocol, there would be some form of marketing and info extraction >_>
2024-01-02 18:25:00	konomo	I get most of my spam by people sending mail to my fediverse handle
2024-01-02 18:25:14	konomo	as in, sending emails to my fediverse handle
2024-01-02 18:25:37	rkta	entikan: never heard of ABC diabolo. Where they known sometime? I guess to be forgotten you should be known to more than a handful people at some time. But I was never into HC that much.
2024-01-02 18:25:43	entikan	it's a battle between spam and opening communication for humans
2024-01-02 18:25:44	demure	spammers gonna spam XD
2024-01-02 18:25:58	entikan	rkta: I have no idea, I just started listening and it's rad
2024-01-02 18:26:46	entikan	you can be forgotten if you were known by only 3 people though
2024-01-02 18:28:41	entikan	if only there was a way to have anonymous communication without any of the spam 
2024-01-02 18:28:47	entikan	irc is pretty close I guess
2024-01-02 18:29:10	demure	*imagines gpg encrypted email spam*
2024-01-02 18:29:19	rkta	yes, but the makes 'forgotten bands' somewhat of a non-category. There were millions of bands only known to 3 people. Well, it dependes on how one wants to define it I guess.
2024-01-02 18:29:31	demure	irc has it's share of botnets and trolls unfortunately 
2024-01-02 18:30:08	entikan	rkta: in my mind "forgotten bands" are bands that nobody remembers anymore (meaning everybody goes "who?")
2024-01-02 18:30:19	thrig	see: freenode
2024-01-02 18:30:42	rkta	I prefer pseudonymous communication. I like to know who I'm talking to - atleast by a nick name.
2024-01-02 18:30:50	entikan	yeah I remember the hamradio spam on freenode 
2024-01-02 18:31:07	entikan	yeah same, as long as you can ditch the nick
2024-01-02 18:31:45	rkta	entikan: yes, but there is a difference between forgotten and 'never heard of'.
2024-01-02 18:31:46	thrig	I've been using this nick since the mid90s or so
2024-01-02 18:32:52	entikan	nice. this nick is just 2 years old now
2024-01-02 18:33:11	entikan	it's nice being reborn sometimes
2024-01-02 18:33:45	thrig	rebuilding the shrine now and then is something some folks do
2024-01-02 18:34:11	demure	I can understand throw away nicks, but I've always found the people that frequently cycle nicks (for permanent use) tend to be trolly *sigh* 
2024-01-02 18:34:22	rkta	I stopped caring about being pseudonymous on the net years ago. OTOH, I'm not regretting that some things I did 20 years ago where done under nick name long forgotten. :-D
2024-01-02 18:35:10	entikan	people that have had their 15 minutes of fame are very gratefull pseudonymousness is a thing
2024-01-02 18:35:50	rynn	I've been using Rynn online for the past 20 years, at this point somebody could refer to me as Rynn IRL and I probably wouldn't even notice.
2024-01-02 18:36:45	entikan	grateful or greatful?
2024-01-02 18:36:57	entikan	I bet you'd be a little creeped out rynn 
2024-01-02 18:37:30	entikan	unless you recognized them
2024-01-02 18:38:15	rynn	Most of my friends list in Discord is people I know in meatspace, and I have the same nick there, so wouldn't be a suprise.
2024-01-02 18:39:12	login	having multiple names and keeping your identities separate might be advisable
2024-01-02 18:40:02	login	the world is stupidly judgemental oftentimes of 15-minute famous people
2024-01-02 18:40:29	thrig	it might land you getting blown up in a star wars movie
2024-01-02 18:41:11	rynn	Good point, hard to think of a fate worse than finding myself in a modern Star Wars movie...
2024-01-02 18:44:25	rkta	There's only three star wars movies. Not sure if the third does count as modern...
2024-01-02 18:46:01	thrig	a new hope, empire strikes back and return of the jedi, rogue one
2024-01-02 18:46:49	entikan	there once was a good movie called star wars
2024-01-02 18:47:08	rynn	You forgot the best in the series, the Christmas special
2024-01-02 18:47:19	thrig	not a movie?
2024-01-02 18:47:21	entikan	that was the movie I was talking about
2024-01-02 18:47:44	entikan	jefferson starship is a good band
2024-01-02 18:48:11	entikan	and that song is great even though it sounds like warped shit on that special
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2024-01-02 19:05:06	dobody	rkta: yeah I guess like many underground bands, no one knows of ABC Diabolo outside of the small circle of hardcore and screamo nerds :D
2024-01-02 19:05:46	dobody	y'all got an idea what could be causing my nick to change after a period of inactivity? i'd like to keep it active while i use hexchat
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2024-01-02 19:15:57	pjvm	dobody (for when you get back): change to secondary nick happens when you lose the connection and reconnect, but the server thinks your old connection is still there so it sees two copies of you.
2024-01-02 19:16:45	pjvm	change to Guest12345 is I think what happens if your nick is registered and you fail to authenticate
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2024-01-02 20:32:01	dobody	thanks pjvm, do you have any idea how i could fix HexChat's behaviour on inactivity
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2024-01-02 20:39:14	pjvm	not sure HexChat is doing anything wrong. I've had both of these happen (using a different client than HexChat) when my internet connection was being sub-ideal.
2024-01-02 20:39:54	thrig	or servers will peer connections to rotate folks out
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2024-01-02 20:41:53	dobody	Oh. This stuff sounds tricky, I'll have to read about how I could configure a client well
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2024-01-02 21:41:07	jmjl	does curl check tlsa records?
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2024-01-02 23:07:46	jcowan	My email address is a bespoke Gmail domain, and my address has been publicly available for more than 30 years, and essentially all spam is filtered out.
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2024-01-02 23:08:41	jcowan	Also I use my real name in all but two contexts.
2024-01-02 23:09:08	jcowan	when I write porn, and when I feld it necessary to break an NDA because the NDA-holder was using it unethically
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2024-01-03 00:42:38	epoch	> does curl check tlsa
2024-01-03 00:42:43	epoch	I doubt it very much
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2024-01-03 01:19:25	★	thrig squints at a urn:uuid: in antenna
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2024-01-03 03:19:49	epoch	hrm...
2024-01-03 03:20:41	epoch	my guess is someone generated it for their atom feed and used the wrong variable when generating gemini feed or something
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2024-01-03 03:24:07	epoch	at least three posts by them all with a uuid
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2024-01-03 03:26:35	epoch	guess their name is "Lark"
2024-01-03 03:41:40	epoch	huh. found a "bug" in lagrange maybe.
2024-01-03 03:42:16	epoch	trying to 30 to just '#'
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2024-01-03 12:02:44	dobody	does anyone use gsssg? How can i generate an atom feed, since it doesn't do it automatically?
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2024-01-03 14:25:56	dozens	i don't use gssg, but i just hand roll my atom feed whenever i make a new post
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2024-01-03 15:15:01	dobody	entikan, rkta, found this: gemini://gemini.conman.org/gemmention?gemini-mention     
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2024-01-03 16:34:29	mio	not a gssg user, but there's also https://tildegit.org/solderpunk/gemfeed
2024-01-03 16:37:10	mio	haven't tried it though. currently using a custom script that generates a list page and atom feed
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2024-01-03 19:12:12	★	rkta uses also a self-made feed generator
2024-01-03 19:12:41	rkta	hmm... dobody has left
2024-01-03 19:21:58	entikan	yeah gemini-mentions sounds awesome
2024-01-03 19:28:29	rkta	Not sure I like it. Could be that I think it's feature creep when I think about it.
2024-01-03 19:30:18	thrig	the debate ran thusly when it last came up on antenna
2024-01-03 19:31:02	entikan	it's completely opt-in and third-party, how can that be feature creep?
2024-01-03 19:31:37	★	rkta has not thought about it yet
2024-01-03 19:31:52	entikan	oh lol
2024-01-03 19:31:56	rkta	it was just was came first to my mind
2024-01-03 19:32:40	rkta	s/was/what/2
2024-01-03 19:32:43	entikan	well you'd be right that it's important to keep things simple
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2024-01-03 19:36:17	rkta	yes, adding things is always easy, removing is nearly impossible. And JavaScript was also opt-in some time ago. But I really would have to form a solid opinion. Also I'm not really an active gemini user, so others voices are probably more valueable/important.
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2024-01-03 19:39:43	entikan	well its a better idea than gemini crypto wallets at least :)
2024-01-03 19:41:46	rkta	that's not really a challenge, isn't it?
2024-01-03 19:42:08	entikan	depends who you ask, but no
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2024-01-03 22:29:25	ew0k	I've been invited to a Swedish programming podcast to talk about gemini :)
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2024-01-03 22:35:50	thrig	bork bork bork
2024-01-03 22:36:18	ew0k	thrig: the best kind of bork!
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2024-01-04 00:39:54	slondr	gemini crypto wallets is at least a funny idea
2024-01-04 00:42:36	dozens	go get em ew0k ! do us proud
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2024-01-04 17:57:29	flow	hey that's cool ew0k re podcast
2024-01-04 17:58:02	flow	you're a gemini influencer... :p
2024-01-04 17:58:31	flow	I jest ~_-
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2024-01-05 21:20:16	carlomonte	"This channel is publicly logged in gemspace": where?
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2024-01-05 21:21:54	rynn	Geez, the Antenna censorship thread is a bit of a dumpster fire.
2024-01-05 21:23:14	rynn	On the plus side, one of the most replied threads I've seen on the BBS so far. On the down side though...the topic.
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2024-01-05 21:32:07	lupine	"censorship"
2024-01-05 21:36:33	pjvm	carlomonte: one archive is linked near the bottom of this page (tomasino's capsule): gemini://tilde.team/~tomasino/
2024-01-05 21:37:14	bacon	Which thread, where?
2024-01-05 21:37:16	bacon	Can't find it
2024-01-05 21:37:41	rynn	bacon: gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/s/discuss/13406
2024-01-05 21:39:06	carlomonte	pjvm: tnx
2024-01-05 21:39:23	bacon	thx rynn
2024-01-05 21:39:50	lupine	lot of stupid people in the world. as ever
2024-01-05 21:40:17	carlomonte	whoa, almost crashed lagrange
2024-01-05 21:40:25	bacon	oh nooo
2024-01-05 21:40:34	lupine	heh, really? worked fine here
2024-01-05 21:40:41	bacon	wow the first post is already... yeesh
2024-01-05 21:41:25	rynn	carlomonte, pjvm: Yeah, looks like tomasino set it up to append the log rather than replace, so that page it currently five years long...
2024-01-05 21:42:19	carlomonte	gnu's not unix and that page will discuss about crashing itself :-/
2024-01-05 21:42:31	carlomonte	very recursive stuff
2024-01-05 21:44:45	★	thrig injects some G.E.B. for extra recursion and crashing
2024-01-05 21:46:04	lupine	fwiw this isn't the first time something like this has happened, not by a long shot. it's routine
2024-01-05 21:46:42	lupine	other communities are available, etc
2024-01-05 21:47:43	rynn	Last big blow up I remember seeing was when Bubble was introduced.
2024-01-05 21:48:14	bacon	thrig: Gödel Escher Bach??
2024-01-05 21:48:39	lupine	I think gemini's still small enough that people expect everyone using it to be like them, and they can get quite upset when they realise that's not the case
2024-01-05 21:49:23	lupine	hopefully that fades away over time
2024-01-05 21:49:40	thrig	nope. social primates gonna social
2024-01-05 21:50:18	lupine	I dunno. I don't see people going around moping that http has a liberal bias or whatever
2024-01-05 21:50:23	lupine	but maybe that's just my own little bubble
2024-01-05 21:50:44	thrig	*cough* twitter *cough*
2024-01-05 21:50:51	rynn	Yeah, I think it's just the nature of conversational mediums.
2024-01-05 21:51:40	lupine	right, they might pick on an individual actor *using* it
2024-01-05 21:53:33	bacon	Y'know, I think it's impossible to have an internet without people getting upset
2024-01-05 21:53:51	bacon	It's just way too easy to make people angry
2024-01-05 21:54:21	rynn	Obligatory https://xkcd.com/386/
2024-01-05 21:54:25	lupine	aye, and getting rid of it makes people angry too. great fun
2024-01-05 21:55:46	rynn	Yep, sadly a bit of a no win situation for ew0k: if he does something about it, half the folks are going to be mad, if he doesn't do anything about, the other half of the folks are going to be mad instead.
2024-01-05 21:56:20	bacon	That's a very pragmatic way of looking at it
2024-01-05 21:56:29	bacon	It's also about what he decides to endorse
2024-01-05 21:56:44	bacon	By supplying readership
2024-01-05 21:57:03	jcowan	Note that this channel is *not* on fire.
2024-01-05 21:57:47	rynn	Well, it wasn't...but now you've jinxed it :)
2024-01-05 21:57:58	bacon	Ah but the the pile of sticks in the corner of my room is
2024-01-05 22:01:16	jcowan	rynn: I think "half" is a gross overestimate.  Most people aren't noticing.
2024-01-05 22:01:29	bacon	True
2024-01-05 22:01:32	★	jcowan hands bacon a firestarter
2024-01-05 22:01:46	jcowan	Just in case it gets cold there.
2024-01-05 22:02:20	bacon	Thanks jcowan
2024-01-05 22:02:44	thrig	le do bloti ca'a jelca
2024-01-05 22:03:14	lupine	mm, all very storm in a teacup
2024-01-05 22:07:28	bacon	that's a nice way to put it
2024-01-05 22:08:18	bacon	the internet is just a bunch of teacups in a weird experiment by some computational climate scientist that has spent far too long in the lab
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2024-01-05 22:21:24	bacon	By the way, I actually didn't know about Antenna, so thanks for the link!
2024-01-05 22:23:34	thrig	it's a fairly major node or nexus
2024-01-05 22:35:40	rynn	Np. I use both it and Cosmos quite a bit for finding new capsules.
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2024-01-05 22:35:56	rynn	Though there's quite a bit of overlap between the two.
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2024-01-05 22:43:12	bacon	Cosmos seems cool
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2024-01-05 23:04:05	bacon	well, gotta sleep at some point. Good night everyone, co'o thrig.
2024-01-05 23:07:05	jcowan	co'o bakon
2024-01-05 23:07:49	★	epoch bookmarks cosmos
2024-01-05 23:09:27	★	epoch reads up on the drama
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2024-01-05 23:58:43	dozens	just registered on bbs
2024-01-05 23:58:53	dozens	today is the day i became a real geminaut
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2024-01-06 00:20:31	@tomasino	yay!
2024-01-06 00:28:17	thrig	gemi not? then you aren't
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2024-01-06 07:25:27	ew0k	rynn: oooo! There’s a BBS thread about it? Would love to read it :D And no, it’s not a no win situation. The ”What is This?” page on Antenna is very clear about my rules and I win as long as I still like running the service
2024-01-06 07:27:17	ew0k	which I very much do as long as I choose to not be complicit in spreading certain types of speech. Like justification for genocide, for example
2024-01-06 07:37:35	ew0k	The Antenna blocklist is pretty short. The majority of rules are for blocking Antenna itself and a few schemes that have been submitted to it by mistake or for shits and giggles in the past :) techrights and kiwifarms are pre-emptively blocked; they've never submitted any feed.
2024-01-06 07:38:26	ew0k	Other than that there are precious few blocks so far. Of course a list like that only ever grows in the long term. A rule will extremely seldom be removed, by the very nature of the system
2024-01-06 07:39:25	ew0k	I've considered weighing in on the debate on my own gemlog, but I don't think there's anything I can say that hasn't already been said
2024-01-06 07:39:31	ew0k	or needs saying
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2024-01-06 08:29:58	epoch	> as long as I still like running the service
2024-01-06 08:30:00	epoch	:]
2024-01-06 08:30:29	epoch	I've got a message to that effect on my website
2024-01-06 08:31:16	epoch	like, I'm playing with computers for fun. if it stops being fun, I'm not going to keep playing.
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2024-01-06 10:04:16	ew0k	Exactly
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2024-01-06 11:00:23	sandra	thrig: TUI programs are not CLI programs
2024-01-06 11:04:23	sandra	Pet peeve right there
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2024-01-06 13:50:22	rynn	ew0k: It's the one I linked earlier, at gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/s/discuss/13406
2024-01-06 13:52:36	rynn	But yeah, the summary of the discussion was pretty firmly in agreement that you had every right to do so (and I think somebody even mentioned the page you referenced), the bickering was more along the lines of whether you should or not.
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2024-01-06 15:22:21	ew0k	rynn: yeah, that discussion was really a rehash of every discussion ever on the subject
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2024-01-06 17:27:27	dozens	hey gemini question, if you want to continue a session, say on bbs or tootik, across clients/devices.. do you basically need to export your certs from one client and import to another?
2024-01-06 17:27:51	dozens	i guess it would be handy if the gemini server allowed you to upload additional certs to your profile..
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2024-01-06 17:31:35	rynn	dozens: Are you talking about the BBS? If so, it does allow you to upload additional certs that correspond to that particular profile on the site.
2024-01-06 17:32:24	pjvm	oh, I was going to say I'm not aware of any software that uses an upload protocol like iapetus or titan for this purpose
2024-01-06 17:32:47	dozens	i think bbs does use titan..
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2024-01-06 17:33:22	pjvm	another option would be passwords. but to answer dozens' question in general: it depends on the server software
2024-01-06 17:33:23	rynn	Upload is bad wording on my part; it basically just allows you to indicate additional keys
2024-01-06 17:34:13	pjvm	ah right that makes more sense, that would definitely be easier than linking it with an upload protocol
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2024-01-06 20:31:06	entikan	lol the geminispace bbs subspaces is like a what's what of stuff I'm into  
2024-01-06 20:31:36	entikan	I haven't seen anything online like that
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2024-01-06 22:14:56	konomo	I didn't even know this was a thing until today o.O
2024-01-06 22:15:39	konomo	That gemini BBS thing I mean
2024-01-06 22:17:04	entikan	same
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2024-01-06 22:30:41	@tomasino	dozens: my gemini applications video talks about a strategy for allowing multiple certs to be uploaded so you can "login" from multiple clients
2024-01-06 22:37:07	thrig	... with limits so that someone cannot upload a billion certs
2024-01-06 22:48:30	demure	*uploads 999 million*
2024-01-06 22:50:08	thrig	take one down, pass it around ...
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2024-01-08 19:24:31	carlomonte	well, managing certificates is indeed a use case that is missing from the original gemini spec.
2024-01-08 19:25:00	carlomonte	my personal use case was replacing a certificate. some sites offer a method via passwords, but there is no uniform support in the protocol.
2024-01-08 19:25:33	carlomonte	i humbly think that this would be an addition that would round up the whole thing. not a new feature, but one that was not foreseen in the initial design.
2024-01-08 19:26:22	carlomonte	TLS has no provision for this, meaning that gemini would need to.
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2024-01-09 05:55:37	immibis	I think the answer to that is that your certificate is your account, so don't lose it.
2024-01-09 05:55:57	immibis	And don't give yourself an account with an expiry date.
2024-01-09 05:58:04	immibis	and Gemini is supposed to have very limited use cases by design - if yours is too complicated then maybe it shouldn't be Gemini
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2024-01-09 06:55:16	carlomonte	immibis: well, hmm... not really. would you still use RSA-512 in 2024?
2024-01-09 06:55:34	carlomonte	what would you do with an old certificate with deprecated cryptography?
2024-01-09 06:56:01	carlomonte	another guy wanted in this chat wanted to use several certificates on different devices
2024-01-09 06:56:13	carlomonte	have you seen how BBS and Astrobotany solve this very issue?
2024-01-09 06:56:19	carlomonte	useable, but not nice.
2024-01-09 06:58:24	immibis	not use it?
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2024-01-09 08:40:35	carlomonte	immibis: you can't. you'll get older, and find that your options from X years ago are not the best ones in todays climate
2024-01-09 08:40:45	carlomonte	of course I used a weak RSA key in 2000!!!
2024-01-09 08:41:27	carlomonte	cryptography is a problem with a time horizon of maybe an active life time. or even more
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2024-01-10 21:36:20	entikan	hello gemini people
2024-01-10 21:36:25	entikan	I love you
2024-01-10 21:50:55	epoch	<3
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2024-01-11 07:38:01	ew0k	<3
2024-01-11 07:38:15	ew0k	Recording podcast about gemini tonight :)
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2024-01-11 08:46:17	raek	:D
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2024-01-11 18:23:16	rynn	Here's a random question, but has anyone done something like a webring for Gemini capsules, or do Cosmos/Antenna/etc basically fill that niche?
2024-01-11 18:24:07	thrig	there are rings on gemini
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2024-01-11 19:32:10	ew0k	LEO was a thing for a while but I think it broke
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2024-01-11 19:58:45	ew0k	The podcast recording went well 😄
2024-01-11 20:04:29	dozens	can't wait to hear it
2024-01-11 20:04:39	raek	me too!
2024-01-11 20:06:29	raek	rynn: my orbit (webring) is still going! gemini://raek.se/orbits/space-elevator/
2024-01-11 20:07:27	raek	Oh, there's a dead link. Need tp fix that.
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2024-01-11 20:17:57	raek	Hmm, no it seems like my client can't access one of the capsule but my server can.
2024-01-11 20:18:28	raek	Maybe it was the person who served their capsule IPv6+only...
2024-01-11 20:20:42	raek	Ah, no, the capsule really was down.
2024-01-11 20:26:51	ew0k	dozens: it’s in Swedish 😝
2024-01-11 20:31:56	Guest20746	aboutrace banana
2024-01-11 20:34:39	rynn	Thanks for the link raek. I do like the orbit name, gotta fit the gemini theme.
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2024-01-11 20:43:14	raek	Guest20746: korrekt. gemini://raek.se/orbits/omloppsbanan/omloppsbanan.png
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2024-01-12 12:23:45	cardboard	ew0k: var kan jag hittar din pod? :-D
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2024-01-12 12:39:50	ew0k	cardboard: it's not out yet. Maybe sometime next week, and I'll definitely write a gemlog post about it :D 
2024-01-12 13:16:55	cardboard	ew0k: ooh, looking forward to it! what's your capsule address?
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2024-01-16 08:26:12	raek	ew0k: omg! the episode is up!
2024-01-16 08:27:02	ew0k	I'm listening to it now :D I sound like a preaching jackass
2024-01-16 08:27:56	ew0k	somewhere towards the end we get into a discussion av which winegum flavours are the best 😂
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2024-01-16 09:12:30	raek	"preaching jackass"? I'm 2/3 in, and I don't get that vibe at all...
2024-01-16 09:18:53	ew0k	I hate hearing my own recorded voice 🤪 maybe it's just me
2024-01-16 09:19:18	ew0k	ie it's probably just me being self-aware
2024-01-16 09:19:21	ew0k	:D
2024-01-16 09:21:25	raek	I think that's a common thing
2024-01-16 09:26:28	ew0k	most likely :D
2024-01-16 09:32:41	raek	it was brilliant! you really touched on all the important bits, and gave a good cozy impression of the protocol and the community
2024-01-16 09:37:19	ew0k	❤️
2024-01-16 09:37:25	ew0k	Thank you!
2024-01-16 09:39:06	raek	it sounded like you were very well prepared (dunno if you had notes or a checklist of what you wanted to say), but the conversation flowed very organically and sounded spontaneous
2024-01-16 09:40:09	ew0k	I wasn't prepared at all, other than having thought through what the important bits were :)
2024-01-16 09:40:22	ew0k	I was expecting more questions, actually
2024-01-16 09:40:51	ew0k	please don't count the number of times I said "ja, precis" 😂
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2024-01-16 16:34:17	rynn	Do we have a video with an english translation up yet?
2024-01-16 16:34:46	rynn	Of ew0k's episode mentioned above, I mean.
2024-01-16 17:10:34	ew0k	rynn: oh my… I’d be super surprised if that happened. I wonder what the video would be of
2024-01-16 18:16:21	dozens	somebody speaking directly into the camera, translating in real time
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2024-01-16 18:30:16	thrig	someone, such as the swedish chef?
2024-01-16 19:04:30	ew0k	Hurdi gurdi!
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2024-01-16 20:34:33	dozens	i tried to play the mp3 into google translate.
2024-01-16 20:34:37	dozens	it did moderately okay
2024-01-16 20:35:27	thrig	have song id tools gotten better? I played the opening of Beethoven's Ninth to one years ago, and it was all like "I dunno"
2024-01-16 20:37:17	rynn	Really? Shazaam could properly ID songs with pretty reliable accuracy like a decade ago (which was probably the last time I used it).
2024-01-16 20:38:23	dozens	shazam is surprisingly good
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2024-01-18 19:09:30	thewetcrab	Is gemini still alive and strong? I never did get my gemserver / capsule set up :(
2024-01-18 19:09:39	thewetcrab	What server softare are people here running?
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2024-01-18 19:19:17	thewetcrab	@gmid - how easy is it to install gmid - do you need to know a lot within linux?
2024-01-18 19:22:38	sysrq	what's your distro?
2024-01-18 19:24:37	thewetcrab	Either RaspberryPi OS or Linux Mint or Docker - sysrq
2024-01-18 19:25:13	sysrq	http://gmid.omarpolo.com/contrib.html
2024-01-18 19:25:37	sysrq	it has instructions for docker
2024-01-18 19:29:03	thewetcrab	Thanks I will have to look in to that sysrq
2024-01-18 19:31:03	sysrq	gemini://sotd.sysrq.in
2024-01-18 19:31:13	sysrq	i've compiled a list of servers
2024-01-18 19:31:28	sysrq	didn't update it for a while though
2024-01-18 19:32:09	thewetcrab	just finding a gemin browser for osx
2024-01-18 19:33:25	thewetcrab	I am reading Jetforce is an easy server to install too.
2024-01-18 19:34:39	sysrq	thewetcrab: graphical or console?
2024-01-18 19:37:22	thewetcrab	graphical for me please
2024-01-18 19:37:27	thewetcrab	willing to try console too
2024-01-18 19:40:13	sysrq	https://gmi.skyjake.fi/lagrange/
2024-01-18 19:40:20	sysrq	the monopolist :P
2024-01-18 19:41:21	thewetcrab	I have just installed lagrange
2024-01-18 19:41:25	thewetcrab	Why the monopolist?
2024-01-18 19:41:52	thrig	lagrange is popular. kind of the chrome or IE6 of browsers, without the lock-out stuff
2024-01-18 19:42:58	thewetcrab	popular because it is good though?
2024-01-18 19:43:23	thrig	dunno, never used it
2024-01-18 19:44:29	thewetcrab	Your list of gemini servers is extensive sysrq
2024-01-18 19:45:11	tbsp	I've used Lagrange and Antenna. Found both to suit my needs.
2024-01-18 19:50:08	login	im using kristall
2024-01-18 19:54:18	dozens	lagrange is great on macos
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2024-01-18 19:55:54	alexlehm	hm, i forgot to start lagrange when i last time had to reboot my windows so I didn't look at my plant for a few days
2024-01-18 19:57:24	alexlehm	i think Lagrange is great on Windows
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2024-01-18 20:03:46	thewetcrab	kristall doesn't look like there is a mac version
2024-01-18 20:13:29	tbsp	Oops, I meant Lagrange and Kristall.
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2024-01-18 20:15:54	login	i use Kristall on amc
2024-01-18 20:15:58	login	*mac
2024-01-18 20:16:14	login	this one https://kristall.random-projects.net/
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2024-01-18 21:29:16	kensanata	As for server software, I'm using Satellite to server Markdown files as Gemtext.
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2024-01-19 17:58:23	jcowan	Now that Web browsers have officially abandoned FTP, I think it's time to treat it as a Smol Internet protocol, which means Lagrange support.
2024-01-19 17:59:32	jcowan	"Normal" FTP clients basically let you copy files in both directions (with a pair of windows if they are GUIs), but *browsing* FTP is a different matter.
2024-01-19 18:04:01	thrig	http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
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2024-01-19 18:15:21	koalillo	not a huge fan of FTP either. actually, FTP might be ripe for a smolnet protocol. FTPS and SFTP are not really good replacements, IMHO. not sure if there's any alternate modern protocol which completely replaces it (WebDAV? 9P?)
2024-01-19 18:15:38	entikan	gemini?
2024-01-19 18:16:02	entikan	you can just server gemtext that's just a big list of links to files, no?
2024-01-19 18:17:50	thrig	gemini is poor for big uploads
2024-01-19 18:19:10	entikan	how come?
2024-01-19 18:20:54	thrig	a 1024 octet limit on what the client sends comes to mind
2024-01-19 18:23:24	entikan	oh interesting
2024-01-19 18:23:55	entikan	I thought maybe it had to do with resuming after an unstable connection or something
2024-01-19 18:24:09	entikan	which apparently ftp also had trouble with
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2024-01-19 20:42:25	drag0nfly	it's wild to me that in 2024 we still cant send effectively files to each other 
2024-01-19 20:43:56	drag0nfly	effectively send* damn
2024-01-19 20:45:09	drag0nfly	thats the only reason networks were ever invented
2024-01-19 20:45:41	epoch	welp, let's figure it out
2024-01-19 20:45:48	wgreenhouse	> a 1024 octet limit on what the client sends comes to mind
2024-01-19 20:45:48	wgreenhouse	right that's for sending via query string or so
2024-01-19 20:46:15	wgreenhouse	for bigger stuff there is kensanata's Titan protocol which a few gemini clients support
2024-01-19 20:46:37	drag0nfly	i didnt know thats what that was for, thanks for that tid bit 
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2024-01-19 20:47:33	alexlehm	the xkcd how to trans a file still applies
2024-01-19 20:48:19	drag0nfly	yep
2024-01-19 20:48:51	drag0nfly	which before thumb drives i would drive to peoples houses with a hard drive
2024-01-19 20:49:20	epoch	https://xkcd.com/949/
2024-01-19 20:50:41	thrig	and sometimes they want you to embed the certificate in an Excel spreadsheet (thanks, Deutsche Bank)
2024-01-19 20:52:56	epoch	https://www.sharedrop.io/ this isn't smolweb, but it seems to work
2024-01-19 20:53:40	epoch	looks like there's multiple things that do it this way for the most part
2024-01-19 20:54:00	drag0nfly	https://github.com/schollz/croc
2024-01-19 20:54:05	drag0nfly	thats a thing too epoch
2024-01-19 20:54:40	epoch	yeah, there's a billion ways to share files
2024-01-19 20:54:45	drag0nfly	yah
2024-01-19 20:58:29	epoch	so the problem isn't that there isn't a way of sending files
2024-01-19 20:59:09	drag0nfly	yah i was thinking about that too 
2024-01-19 21:00:23	thrig	xkcd://763
2024-01-19 21:00:28	epoch	synchronous file transfers are easier than async because then nobody has to store anything in a reachable spot
2024-01-19 21:01:06	drag0nfly	yah but then both parties have to be coordinated
2024-01-19 21:01:33	drag0nfly	you cant just send a link and they get it whenever
2024-01-19 21:08:34	epoch	for that there's http://ttm.sh/
2024-01-19 21:09:04	epoch	(assuming under 64mb I guess)
2024-01-19 21:09:21	thrig	(and assuming a small enough file versus that submarine tour of duty)
2024-01-19 21:10:09	epoch	bbl
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2024-01-19 21:19:49	drag0nfly	it's not uncommon for me to send a single file of 5gb+. I regularly send videos that are a minimum of 100mb, like multiple times a day. so atm i just have to upload it to my website and link it. these cloud services that have limits like they do are pretty effectively useless for me.
2024-01-19 21:19:58	drag0nfly	Mega was about the best one when they offered 50gb but they reduced it now
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2024-01-20 01:09:32	alexlehm	i really like syncthing to transfer large files automatically, but it requires the client on both sides
2024-01-20 01:10:49	drag0nfly	yah
2024-01-20 01:11:12	drag0nfly	i tried using it to share files with my gf and it proved to be too complicated for her
2024-01-20 01:11:31	drag0nfly	mostly bc her phone kept killing it and it wouldnt stay running 
2024-01-20 01:45:30	alexlehm	i used it on multiple windows/linux machines but the mobile app didn't work for me
2024-01-20 01:46:00	alexlehm	on my phone i would not need multi-gigabyte transfers though
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2024-01-20 01:57:01	drag0nfly	ive transferred 48gb over it in the last 30 days 
2024-01-20 01:57:27	drag0nfly	on my phone
2024-01-20 01:58:13	drag0nfly	id say the avg file size would be about 30mb 
2024-01-20 01:58:28	drag0nfly	but thats purely speculative
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2024-01-20 06:21:56	jcowan	The reason for providing FTP support is that there are FTP servers out there, e.g. ftp://ftp.update.uu.se.
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2024-01-20 09:10:33	ew0k	I was sad to see Firefox drop ftp support
2024-01-20 09:12:20	alexlehm	when i read that i thought about when i last used ftp browsing in the browser and i could not remember, i may have downloaded the last file by ftp maybe when Apache still had that as an option on the web pages
2024-01-20 09:12:54	alexlehm	either when wget was not available on a host or when using socks5 as a proxy, but that is even older
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2024-01-20 11:23:32	kensanata	I started using Local Send for phones and laptops in the house.
2024-01-20 11:23:45	kensanata	https://localsend.org/
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2024-01-20 12:13:22	alexlehm	that seems quite good, i will try that
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2024-01-20 13:54:19	login	does that send over wifi?
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2024-01-20 14:23:02	kensanata	login: Yeah.
2024-01-20 14:23:38	kensanata	login: Not over bluetooth or whatever AirDrop uses, but it's good enough for our household with Windows, Mac, Linux and iPhones…
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2024-01-20 16:01:21	login	it doesn't work on my old mac
2024-01-20 16:01:30	login	it needs macos11
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2024-01-22 08:16:57	sandra	ew0k writes: My ISP is having an outage, which means warmedal.se (with Antenna and my gemlog) is unavailable for the moment. So is my thelounge.chat instance, which means I can't spread the word via the IRC channel either.
2024-01-22 08:20:54	sandra	https://floss.social/@tinyrabbit/111798599347511337
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2024-01-22 09:14:57	dece	thx for relaying!
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2024-01-22 15:27:58	★	dozens goes to follow tinyrabbit
2024-01-22 15:28:02	★	dozens already does
2024-01-22 15:28:04	dozens	:D
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2024-01-22 15:49:16	kensanata	dozens: The trick is to unfollow everybody else, I fear.
2024-01-22 15:49:50	dozens	extreme measures
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2024-01-22 17:05:34	zinricky	Oh ok. I was wondering why Antenna wasn’t working 
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2024-01-22 17:46:41	thrig	if you meet the Buddha, unfollow them
2024-01-22 18:14:48	jcowan	there's a difference between how big a file can be and how much you can up/download in a single API call
2024-01-22 18:15:35	jcowan	e.g. S3 allows objects up to 5 TB, which should be enough for any individual right now
2024-01-22 18:16:12	jcowan	but to up/download such a file you'd need 1024 API calls, because each API call is max 5 GB
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2024-01-22 19:42:17	hijackeel	haha that's a good one thrig
2024-01-22 19:42:45	thrig	less violent than the original
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2024-01-23 06:39:19	ew0k	Back!
2024-01-23 06:39:59	ew0k	my connection was out for 20h
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2024-01-23 08:00:34	dece	wb!
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2024-01-23 08:04:17	ew0k	they dug off a cable somewhere
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2024-01-23 09:35:36	alexlehm	epoch: using punctuation as username is cool but confusing
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2024-01-23 12:28:51	sysrq	i struggle with germinating oats :(
2024-01-23 12:43:58	gaussianblue	I'm a total stranger to oat.
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2024-01-23 15:28:16	alexlehm	i read gemini-ng instead of germinating
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2024-01-24 00:26:05	leach	do you guys know how i can list my gemlog by date? im just getting started
2024-01-24 00:36:05	alexlehm	usually the filename convention does that
2024-01-24 00:36:26	alexlehm	otherwise create index.gmi with the sorted list
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2024-01-24 14:37:43	mhj	Good day geminauts
2024-01-24 14:40:52	sysrq	mew
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2024-01-24 14:50:11	mhj	https://www.osnews.com/story/138419/rubywm-an-x11-window-manager-in-pure-ruby/
2024-01-24 14:52:12	sysrq	finally: wm slower than qtile
2024-01-24 14:52:29	mhj	lol
2024-01-24 15:00:48	~Saint_Tuesday	but ruby's so cute
2024-01-24 15:04:12	sysrq	then use Crystal
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2024-01-25 10:48:14	kensanata	Hm. Why did I abandon the ISO dates as part of page names…
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2024-01-25 12:16:31	ew0k	kensanata: beats me
2024-01-25 12:16:43	ew0k	I wonder why I didn't have them to begin with
2024-01-25 12:17:00	ew0k	I have a bunch of posts without them
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2024-01-25 12:51:11	ew0k	One thing I really like about the YYYY-MM-DD timestamps is that sorting them alphabetically is the same as sorting them by date
2024-01-25 12:52:47	ew0k	Antenna has been very quiet since the outage on Monday. I wonder if its related
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2024-01-25 16:24:09	dozens	YYYY-MM-DD is the best
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2024-01-25 17:46:02	demure	yes, best format XD
2024-01-25 17:46:45	demure	I am pained ever time I see a file path with some other format (give or take the dashes)
2024-01-25 17:48:54	thrig	various Americans have been annoyed when I've used YYYY-MM-DD
2024-01-25 17:49:25	platypus_laser	I use DD-MM-YYYY in day-to-day parlance, but YYYY-MM-DD for files
2024-01-25 17:49:27	demure	as an american, I can say that some americans are dumb :p
2024-01-25 17:50:21	rynn	As an American, I much prefer YYYY-MM-DD, but I went to Ireland once and must have gotten infected by something unpatriotic.
2024-01-25 17:50:51	demure	oh noes, do you use metric now instead of freedom units?
2024-01-25 17:51:22	thrig	or Guinness on tap
2024-01-25 17:51:49	rynn	Yes to both, there's likely no saving me at this point.
2024-01-25 18:01:26	dozens	i also learned recently that pretty much only americans start the week on sunday
2024-01-25 18:01:31	demure	the one thing I don't like with metric is centigrade temps, as it both feel like it has less nuance then fahrenheit, and never really seemed "powers of 10" to me
2024-01-25 18:01:58	demure	dozens: like the calendar layout?
2024-01-25 18:02:28	dozens	yeah, apparently most people start the week Monday on the calendar layout
2024-01-25 18:02:56	demure	cause while the calendar splits the weekends, monday is my week start. though I spose I should see what a julian date things the week start is
2024-01-25 18:03:20	rynn	I've never quite gotten familiarity with centigrade temps, but the freezing at 0/boiling at 100 seems pretty 10ish to me.
2024-01-25 18:03:59	demure	but every other metric unit I know of actually does powers of 10
2024-01-25 18:04:27	demure	I don't hear of deci-grade temps, or whatever
2024-01-25 18:06:19	thrig	the weekdays in Pakistan ran Sunday through Thursday
2024-01-25 18:06:38	rynn	It's definitely the one unit that doesn't really feel like it has tangible benefits compared to its imperial counterpart.
2024-01-25 18:07:03	demure	*nod*
2024-01-25 18:07:17	thrig	xkcd://1923
2024-01-25 18:07:41	demure	*imagines the day when xkcd has it's own uri*
2024-01-25 18:08:35	dozens	thrig: what about friday and saturday??
2024-01-25 18:08:57	thrig	friday would be the Islamic holy day, and saturday the next day of the weekend
2024-01-25 18:09:26	thrig	other places have a "weekend" of Friday,Sunday to hit the holy days, which is strictly worse
2024-01-25 18:20:56	dozens	oh i get it. the weekdays. exactly as you said
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2024-01-25 20:22:26	satchlj	I am trying to switch my gemini server and I now need a single certificate with all my domain names instead of different certs for each vhost
2024-01-25 20:23:23	satchlj	but I am having trouble getting the SANs to work
2024-01-25 20:23:41	satchlj	is there a guide for this somewhere?
2024-01-25 20:26:07	thrig	gemini://thrig.me/tech/ssl/certificates.gmi is how I generate a cert
2024-01-25 20:30:59	satchlj	that's similar to what I did, however how would you modify that to include multiple `subjectAltName` fields?
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2024-01-25 20:32:33	thrig	I'd add more DNS entries to it
2024-01-25 20:42:22	satchlj	it worked, thank you!
2024-01-25 20:42:29	satchlj	not sure what I did wrong the first time
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2024-01-26 02:40:00	jcowan	I keep some approximate conversions between American (not "Imperial", that's different) and metric units in my head
2024-01-26 02:40:11	jcowan	quarts to liters, add 10%
2024-01-26 02:40:21	jcowan	yards to meters, add 10%
2024-01-26 02:40:58	jcowan	pounds to kilograms, halve it and add, you guessed it, 10%
2024-01-26 02:41:11	jcowan	unfortunately there is no good way to convert F to C
2024-01-26 02:41:59	jcowan	ooops, I wrote the first two down backwards: liters and meters are bigger, not smaller
2024-01-26 02:42:02	jcowan	eh
2024-01-26 02:42:46	thrig	units(1), and then I have a mathu program with f2c and other such utility code
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2024-01-26 05:42:29	jcowan	thrig: units(1) is fine if you are not in the middle of a f2f conversation
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2024-01-26 08:30:33	epoch	I can never remember how to call units
2024-01-26 08:30:56	epoch	looking it up once every few months doesn't seem to make it stick
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2024-01-26 08:33:21	epoch	hrm.
2024-01-26 08:33:47	epoch	units ${amount}${src_unit} ${dest_unit}
2024-01-26 08:34:55	epoch	$ units -1 1mile**2 acres
2024-01-26 08:34:56	epoch	* 640
2024-01-26 08:35:02	epoch	neat
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2024-01-26 08:41:05	jcowan	If you just type "units" it will prompt you.
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2024-01-26 10:18:39	ew0k	I can never remember how big a gallon
2024-01-26 10:18:43	ew0k	+is
2024-01-26 10:43:51	platypus_laser	Which gallon?
2024-01-26 10:43:58	platypus_laser	US or international imperial?
2024-01-26 10:44:02	platypus_laser	It's almost like these systems are bad
2024-01-26 10:44:34	platypus_laser	US pint is 473 ml because they can't drink
2024-01-26 10:44:51	platypus_laser	Metric pint is 500ml, UK is 568ml
2024-01-26 10:44:54	platypus_laser	Just use metric
2024-01-26 10:45:30	ew0k	I believe a pint differs slightly between the states in Australia
2024-01-26 10:45:36	platypus_laser	Looks a lordy
2024-01-26 10:45:42	platypus_laser	I thought Aus was metric
2024-01-26 10:45:48	★	dece enters a bar and orders a « metric pint of ipa »
2024-01-26 10:45:48	ew0k	I didn't even know there was more than one gallon
2024-01-26 10:46:04	ew0k	Aus is a little more metric than the UK
2024-01-26 10:46:11	platypus_laser	We just call them "pints" here, even though they're half liters
2024-01-26 10:46:18	platypus_laser	Everyone understands what it means
2024-01-26 10:46:50	ew0k	I don't know the difference between a metric ton and whatever other types of tons (tonnes?) there are
2024-01-26 10:47:04	dece	platypus: what's here? same in france
2024-01-26 10:47:54	platypus_laser	Deutschland
2024-01-26 10:48:17	platypus_laser	ew0k: a metric ton is 1000 kg
2024-01-26 10:48:24	dece	🤝
2024-01-26 10:48:30	platypus_laser	Imperial ton is like 907kg
2024-01-26 10:48:49	platypus_laser	And "tonne" is just the British spelling iirc
2024-01-26 10:49:05	platypus_laser	Basically, if it's a metric measure it's probably just the next logical measure of ten
2024-01-26 10:49:12	ew0k	platypus_laser: so how many lbs would an imperial tonne be? And is there, like, an imperial tonne and an American tonne?
2024-01-26 10:49:14	platypus_laser	Because metric is sensible
2024-01-26 10:49:37	ew0k	yeah :) Mertics en centigrade ftw
2024-01-26 10:49:41	★	ew0k is Swedish
2024-01-26 10:49:55	ew0k	*metric
2024-01-26 10:50:00	platypus_laser	ew0k: imperial ton is 2000 lbs, Metric ton is 2204, long ton is 2240
2024-01-26 10:50:18	ew0k	wtf is a "long ton"? O.o
2024-01-26 10:50:46	platypus_laser	Basically the British ton
2024-01-26 10:50:52	platypus_laser	Short ton is the US ton
2024-01-26 10:51:00	ew0k	and why are there still people who don't use the metric system!? This is insane!
2024-01-26 10:51:08	platypus_laser	Because USA
2024-01-26 10:51:15	platypus_laser	Although the UK still colloquially use imperial
2024-01-26 10:51:25	platypus_laser	Miles, yards, feet, inches, and stone/pounds in particular
2024-01-26 10:51:35	platypus_laser	Ask someone their height, they won't know it in cm most of the time
2024-01-26 10:51:37	platypus_laser	Just feet and inches
2024-01-26 10:51:45	platypus_laser	Weight will be stones and pounds instead of KG
2024-01-26 10:51:53	platypus_laser	Despite the fact that we only learn metric in school
2024-01-26 10:52:57	ew0k	weird
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2024-01-26 10:53:19	ew0k	this footnote from Good Omens is really good and related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18092908
2024-01-26 10:53:30	ew0k	how many pounds is a stone, btw?
2024-01-26 10:53:33	platypus_laser	14
2024-01-26 10:53:44	ew0k	wow... very intuitive...
2024-01-26 10:53:53	platypus_laser	The UK is such a backwards place in so many ways
2024-01-26 10:54:07	platypus_laser	It gets worse, though. Some things say they're imperial, but they're really metric
2024-01-26 10:54:35	platypus_laser	So on motorways, the exit markers are 300 yards from the exit, and spaced 100 yards apart
2024-01-26 10:54:42	platypus_laser	So it's 300, 200, 100, exit
2024-01-26 10:54:47	platypus_laser	However, they're not actually 100 yards at all
2024-01-26 10:54:57	platypus_laser	They're 90 meters
2024-01-26 10:54:59	platypus_laser	Which is slightly less
2024-01-26 10:55:31	platypus_laser	They're 30 meters apart to maintain some uniformity with the metric system (our official system), but they're named "yards" because British people get confused otherwise
2024-01-26 10:56:06	platypus_laser	Just switch to KM/M ffs
2024-01-26 10:56:07	ew0k	ffs
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2024-01-26 10:56:31	platypus_laser	I can't drive in miles. I don't understand them
2024-01-26 10:56:42	ew0k	nah, they make no sense
2024-01-26 10:56:45	platypus_laser	I get in trouble at home when I borrow my parent's car and change all the settings to metric
2024-01-26 10:56:50	platypus_laser	Because they don't understand km
2024-01-26 10:56:51	ew0k	lol
2024-01-26 10:56:56	platypus_laser	But like, what's to understand?
2024-01-26 10:57:05	platypus_laser	You know what a meter is, just think 1000 of those
2024-01-26 10:57:33	ew0k	I know that a mile is around 1.6km
2024-01-26 10:57:34	platypus_laser	Or if you're really confused, just multiply your travel distance by 1.6
2024-01-26 10:57:43	platypus_laser	Badda bing badda boom, you have your distance in KM
2024-01-26 10:57:46	ew0k	and that 3 feet is a little less than a metre
2024-01-26 10:57:50	platypus_laser	100 miles to London? That's 160km
2024-01-26 10:58:05	platypus_laser	Yeah the 3 feet thing is why the distance markers are like that
2024-01-26 10:58:42	ew0k	are distances on road signs miles or km in England?
2024-01-26 10:58:49	platypus_laser	Miles
2024-01-26 10:58:53	platypus_laser	(:
2024-01-26 10:59:06	ew0k	... which they don't teach in schools...
2024-01-26 10:59:11	platypus_laser	However, the country is fully metric
2024-01-26 10:59:16	ew0k	lol
2024-01-26 10:59:18	ew0k	yeah...
2024-01-26 10:59:25	platypus_laser	It's just those little colloquial things that they keep around to make grandma happy
2024-01-26 10:59:37	platypus_laser	They were talking recently about selling goods in pounds and ounces again
2024-01-26 10:59:41	platypus_laser	"Like the good old days"
2024-01-26 10:59:46	platypus_laser	But like, nobody remembers that
2024-01-26 11:00:01	platypus_laser	And due to international trading laws, it has to be metric on the backend anyway
2024-01-26 11:00:24	platypus_laser	There's no reason you can't sell things in lbs and oz if you really want to, but it just increases complexity and younger generations won't understand
2024-01-26 11:00:39	ew0k	haha
2024-01-26 11:00:46	platypus_laser	And by younger generations I mean anyone born after the 70s, who have only ever really known metric
2024-01-26 11:00:59	platypus_laser	So yeah. I moved to Germany
2024-01-26 11:01:17	platypus_laser	That wasn't the deciding factor, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a constant irritation
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2024-01-26 13:31:53	rynn	When I went to Ireland, the thing that messed me up most wasn't metric units, or driving on the left side of the road, it was shifting a manual transmission with my left hand.
2024-01-26 13:33:22	rynn	And one of these days I'll remember to check timestamps before I reply.
2024-01-26 13:58:07	ew0k	lol
2024-01-26 13:58:28	ew0k	rynn: having the transmission on my left side would be really weird
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2024-01-26 18:45:18	jcowan	My wife's biggest problem in Ireland was staying left after making a right turn. 
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2024-01-26 18:46:42	jcowan	On one railroad system (I'm not sure in which country), they had mileposts along the tracks, and complained that they would have to pull them all up and hammer in 8/5 as many kilometerposts, and it would cost way too much.
2024-01-26 18:46:55	jcowan	So the metrication board said "What do you use them for?"
2024-01-26 18:47:36	jcowan	"To report track problems, like '1/2 mile south of milepost 144'."
2024-01-26 18:48:18	jcowan	"Okay", said the board, "just start saying 'halfway from marker 144 to marker 145'."
2024-01-26 18:48:22	jcowan	All was well.
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2024-01-28 19:02:09	satchlj	does query affect the way clients handle 31 redirects?
2024-01-28 19:03:14	satchlj	like if I return 31 in response to gemini://host/endpoint, will clients try again with gemini://host/endpoint?query
2024-01-28 19:03:32	satchlj	or will they remember the 31 redirect and not try
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2024-01-28 20:02:43	mhj	Good day geminauts, do y'all ever download posts you read?
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2024-01-28 22:52:51	dozens	i haven't, but i have been thinking seriously about starting a local archive
2024-01-28 22:53:03	dozens	gemini sites vanish too frequently for my liking
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2024-01-29 11:52:17	m1k3	I use offpunk which does that automatically
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2024-01-29 16:15:13	dozens	i should really get into offpunk
2024-01-29 16:15:17	dozens	it sounds great
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2024-01-29 17:16:16	thrig	dozens of people might try it
2024-01-29 17:16:30	dozens	:)
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2024-01-29 17:42:51	m1k3	Yeah it's quite spiffy
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2024-01-29 18:08:44	flow	mhj: yeah I frequently download posts. I don't often read them again but I have built up a collection of offline reads from gemini if I ever want to browse again
2024-01-29 18:13:10	m1k3	Not sure if other clients do this but in offpunk you add bookmarks or subscribe to feeds and then anytime you type "sync" it will download all of those saved capsules/gemlogs AND any links that were on those documents.
2024-01-29 18:14:18	m1k3	You can go to whatever link depth you want but as the instructions say...anything more than 1 gets crazy.
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2024-01-29 18:55:28	rynn	Anyone know offhand how you would revoke trust for a site you explicitly trusted? Is it possible?
2024-01-29 18:55:37	rynn	In Lagrange, I mean
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2024-01-29 20:17:17	epoch	can't seem to do it again, but I clicked on the green lock, and tried to uncheck the bottom box "Trusted" and somehow it unchecked the and the lock went to grey and open. but after a page reload it back to green and the box stays checked now. >_>
2024-01-29 20:17:36	epoch	weird.
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2024-01-30 12:13:20	rynn	Any run into this error with Agate before? "TLS error" error: received corrupt message of type InvalidServerName
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2024-01-30 15:17:45	alexlehm	sounds like your hostname does not match inthe cert?
2024-01-30 15:19:04	rynn	Does it need to? Agate generates self-signed certs when you first run it.
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2024-01-30 19:08:11	~Saint_Tuesday	anyone able to get fcgiwrap to work with gmid?
2024-01-30 19:12:00	dozens	everybody to the limit come on fhqwhgads
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2024-01-30 19:24:15	cat	dozens no
2024-01-30 19:24:23	cat	now that's going to be stuck in my head all day
2024-01-30 19:24:25	cat	hahaha
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2024-01-30 19:49:52	nristen	:q
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2024-01-30 19:52:10	dozens	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFNcStdF_Ok
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2024-01-30 21:32:50	@tomasino	the cheat is to the limit
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2024-01-30 23:58:03	dozens	i said come on fhqwhgads
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2024-01-30 23:59:16	@tomasino	i'm still dancing
2024-01-30 23:59:21	@tomasino	and watching murder, she wrote
2024-01-31 00:13:54	platypus_laser	MSW slaps
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2024-01-31 01:04:42	dozens	have you played this cute MSW-like occult mystery game, Brindlewood Bay?
2024-01-31 01:04:44	dozens	https://www.brindlewoodbay.com/brindlewood-bay.html
2024-01-31 01:04:58	dozens	> Brindlewood Bay is a tabletop roleplaying game that combines Murder, She Wrote with H.P. Lovecraft. In it, you play a group of elderly women, members of the local Murder Mavens Mystery Book Club, who help the authorities solve murder cases in a picturesque New England Town
2024-01-31 01:05:02	dozens	i love it
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2024-01-31 04:41:36	cyberwolf	1300 people on Station. That's cool!
2024-01-31 04:44:52	cyberwolf	most came and left)
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2024-01-31 15:16:08	kensanata	What if it was the same three people who kept running into certificate errors and kept generating new ones…
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2024-01-31 18:35:27	mhj	What is Station?
2024-01-31 18:38:34	thrig	bbs?
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2024-01-31 19:14:03	cat	https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a3dc9c05-eedc-436c-aa7a-669ef9d2aca3
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2024-01-31 20:06:51	dozens	gemini://station.martinrue.com/help
2024-01-31 20:10:41	dozens	gemini://station.martinrue.com/martin/e40b526e8d254faebd06282efaecfa23
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2024-02-01 05:20:55	cyberwolf	kensanata: Yes, that is right
2024-02-01 05:21:49	cyberwolf	personally I try using elpher in emacs
2024-02-01 05:22:18	cyberwolf	and it doesn't seem to work
2024-02-01 05:23:29	cyberwolf	I don't understand how to edit
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2024-02-01 05:24:56	cyberwolf	what do you use to log in?
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2024-02-01 10:31:34	kensanata	I think for Elpher, there's a function you can use to set the certificate used even if there's no "login" link. I'm not sure if that is your problem, cyberwolf? I wrote this function and bound it to a key: https://src.alexschroeder.ch/emacs-setup.git/blob/main/config/elpher-conf.el#L87
2024-02-01 10:50:09	platypus_laser	I actually wrote a guide for certs in Elpher once
2024-02-01 10:50:14	platypus_laser	Let me see if I can dig it up
2024-02-01 10:50:24	platypus_laser	gemini://sporiff.dev/2023/08/08/elpher/
2024-02-01 10:50:26	platypus_laser	(or https://sporiff.dev/2023/08/08/elpher/)
2024-02-01 10:53:59	cyberwolf	gemini://astrobotany.mozz.us/ In Tamagotchi it is normal to log in with a certificate, but station is not
2024-02-01 10:55:40	cyberwolf	"disabling client certificate for new host"
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2024-02-01 11:17:01	cyberwolf	platypus_laser: I seemed to be able to log in, but then I caught Connection time-out.
2024-02-01 11:17:34	cyberwolf	thanks for now
2024-02-01 11:22:10	cyberwolf	https://git.sr.ht/~sporiff/emacs-config/tree/main/item/config.org#L493
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2024-02-01 16:28:45	cyberwolf	everything worked out
2024-02-01 16:29:38	cyberwolf	but it didn’t work in the Nyxt browser
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2024-02-01 20:48:12	anthk	sbcl 
2024-02-01 20:48:14	anthk	you need sbcl
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2024-02-02 08:18:06	sandra	I used to have fully souped up uzbl or qutebrowser and so on but that made me hang out on the web more and I died and withered.
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2024-02-02 15:10:46	dozens	i enjoy spending time in lagrange now browsing gopher and gemini
2024-02-02 15:11:19	dozens	being able to subscribe to 'gemini feeds' for both gemini and gopher is a big plus
2024-02-02 15:11:40	dozens	on the one hand, i enjoy the slower pace. on the other hand, i wish there was more content.
2024-02-02 15:11:52	dozens	which of course means, be the change you want to see in the world i guess
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2024-02-03 22:52:46	satchlj	gemini://satch.xyz/skylab
2024-02-03 22:53:39	satchlj	Just "finished" enough to release!
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2024-02-04 01:00:54	dozens	oooh neat
2024-02-04 01:02:15	dozens	fun, congrats on the release
2024-02-04 01:14:16	thrig	release the hounds!
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2024-02-04 06:04:45	cyberwolf	it's like Mozilla Thunderbird?
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2024-02-05 06:31:21	cyberwolf	Hashnix.club Misfin Mail! gemini://hashnix.club:1958/
2024-02-05 06:44:09	satchlj	cyberwolf idk how you mean like thunderbird but maybe?
2024-02-05 06:45:14	satchlj	working with flipperzero to get skylab working with hashnix.club
2024-02-05 06:47:09	cyberwolf	ok
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2024-02-05 14:23:20	mhj	Good day geminauts
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2024-02-05 15:34:09	dozens	goodest day!
2024-02-05 15:34:28	dozens	i have a misfin! dozens@hashnix.club
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2024-02-05 16:15:06	satchlj	hi dozens :) yay!
2024-02-05 16:19:43	satchlj	i sent you mail
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2024-02-05 16:45:38	dozens	i already replied :)
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2024-02-05 21:24:01	raek	do you generally prefer that people put the file size in the link text when linking to an image?
2024-02-05 21:24:48	raek	like this: => some_picture.jpg My air guitar collection (1.2 MB JPEG file)
2024-02-05 21:35:32	lupine	doesn't stress me either way, but could be handy for people on limited connections
2024-02-05 21:36:09	lupine	I'd imagine most gemini-ers have something close to gigabit though so *shrug*
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2024-02-05 21:37:20	sario	I wouldn't. I don't know about Europe, but gigabit in the US is still the exception, not the norm
2024-02-05 21:37:43	Hanicef	raek: as long as it's held up to date, in case it's changed
2024-02-05 21:37:46	@tomasino	eh, but the US is pretty unimportant, really. ;)
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2024-02-05 21:38:11	lupine	yeah, not many people there
2024-02-05 21:38:25	@tomasino	it's a silly place™
2024-02-05 21:38:29	sario	Only a few. Just a handful really
2024-02-05 21:38:42	sario	Exceedingly silly
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2024-02-05 21:40:38	epoch	I'm on 100 Mbit
2024-02-05 21:41:25	@tomasino	gigabit here in the middle of the north atlantic
2024-02-05 21:41:41	dozens	somebody's got big Not-An-American-Anymore energy today
2024-02-05 21:41:45	Hanicef	honestly, it wouldn't surprise me that much if people with bad connection used gemini, since it's simplistic design makes it very lightweight
2024-02-05 21:41:54	epoch	my ISP offers gigabit, but a lot of my LAN is still 10/100 hardware
2024-02-05 21:41:55	lupine	if you (don't) got it, flaunt it
2024-02-05 21:42:20	lupine	hardly anyone uses gemini, and those that do will tend to be from a certain, uh, stratum
2024-02-05 21:42:25	@tomasino	haha, dozens++
2024-02-05 21:42:29	lupine	not knocking it, just describing it
2024-02-05 21:43:22	Hanicef	lupine: i've actually used gemini with a bad connection, and while there were some hiccups, it wasn't that bad. pages took max 10 seconds to load at times
2024-02-05 21:44:58	epoch	raek: I'd prefer to have type and sizes in links text for non-text/gemini links
2024-02-05 21:45:34	epoch	but I get a lot of crap for how ugly my webpages look, so my preference is probably off
2024-02-05 21:48:35	lupine	given the state of TLS, latency probably matters a fair bit
2024-02-05 21:48:41	lupine	hell over a satellite phone, say
2024-02-05 21:50:28	thrig	... and then you run into a 5MB web page due to js and a font and lord knows what else for like 10K of actual content
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2024-02-05 21:52:10	lupine	yeah, there's definitely worse around
2024-02-05 21:52:15	Hanicef	would be fun to actually measure how much overhead tls has on gemini (not that it matters tho)
2024-02-05 21:52:40	Hanicef	i'd imagine it wouldn't be very much, especially on tls 1.3
2024-02-05 21:53:48	thrig	worse with 4096 RSA keys, better with EC
2024-02-05 21:54:17	lupine	try 3kbit/sec and 1800ms latency
2024-02-05 21:55:09	lupine	there's a few off-gridders on gemini but even they seem to have decent internet tbh
2024-02-05 21:56:15	@tomasino	i try to send at least 5MB of null space characters at the start of every page just for the vibes
2024-02-05 21:58:46	lupine	just repeat the utf-8 bom enough times to be sure they see it
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2024-02-05 22:09:03	epoch	pretend TLS version and cipher negotiation doesn't work so just brute force it every time before each connection.
2024-02-05 22:10:44	epoch	for version,cipher in product([sslv2, sslv3, tls1.0, tls1.2, tls1.3],[so,many,ciphers,to,try]) if(ssl_connect(version,cipher,host,port)) available.append((version,cipher))
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2024-02-06 18:12:43	rynn	I feel like I'm going to be in an un-American mood after I get back from my multi-state Europe trip this spring.
2024-02-06 18:13:12	rynn	Who knows, I might even have my gemlog up by then to record it for posterity. 
2024-02-06 18:15:47	thrig	fodder for the committee on un-American activities
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2024-02-06 18:25:26	wgreenhouse	rynn: perhaps you'll renounce like tomasino
2024-02-06 18:25:43	wgreenhouse	make geminispace the place for americans to un-american
2024-02-06 18:27:03	@tomasino	woo
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2024-02-06 20:27:12	thrig	nalmerko
2024-02-06 20:32:41	@tomasino	jcowan++
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2024-02-08 15:24:45	mhj	Good day geminauts~
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2024-02-08 21:09:18	Guest54194	:/ https://blog.google/products/gemini/bard-gemini-advanced-app/
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2024-02-08 21:14:25	dozens	yeah i'm seeing a lot of gemini this gemini that in my feeds, and none of it is the kind of gemini i want to read about
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2024-02-08 21:55:37	grapey	it's like reading a CNN article about IRC
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2024-02-08 22:20:38	wgreenhouse	imagine being so crap at a scammy industry that your scam changes names
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2024-02-08 23:06:44	epoch	death to gemini. long live gemini://
2024-02-08 23:07:17	epoch	googlemini?
2024-02-08 23:14:06	thrig	I heard a rumor it was named due to merging of two teams?
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2024-02-09 12:03:07	@tomasino	Google stole gopher's name, now they're trying Gemini. jerks
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2024-02-09 13:47:03	jupy	viva gemini://
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2024-02-09 14:32:58	cyberwolf	Does anyone use gmid?
2024-02-09 14:40:05	cyberwolf	How stable is it at work
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2024-02-09 14:47:40	mechap	<@tomasino> Google stole gopher's name, now they're trying Gemini. jerks > it it legal ?
2024-02-09 15:05:38	@tomasino	yeah. copyright is generally pretty narrow about use. if they copyright gemini "for computer use" or something we'd have a prior art claim to negate it, but they'll do something like "for crytography and llms blah blah"
2024-02-09 15:06:22	@tomasino	go-lang using gopher doesn't compete with the gopher  protocol. go is a language. if the result is a "gophercon" which has the exact same name as the "gophercon" of gopher, well, that's still not in competition
2024-02-09 15:06:34	@tomasino	and all of it moot if you don't have money to fight it, and open source rarely does
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2024-02-09 15:22:14	alexlehm	just discovered kaczynski.life which has a nice web theme and its a gemini search engine
2024-02-09 15:29:24	wgreenhouse	alexlehm: terrible name
2024-02-09 15:29:38	wgreenhouse	ted k fans always fail to grok he'd kill them
2024-02-09 15:30:02	thrig	a common problem with the universe
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2024-02-09 16:15:38	rynn	I've never been a fan of the gemini name - too widely used imo.
2024-02-09 16:16:54	rynn	Even before Google came on the scene you still had to sift through all these results for the cryptocurrency platform when searching.
2024-02-09 16:25:13	alexlehm	wgreenhouse: i figured this refers to the Kaczyński twins because of gemini
2024-02-09 16:25:26	wgreenhouse	alexlehm: ah, perhaps
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2024-02-09 16:47:15	rynn	cyberwolf: I was going to say that I hadn't had any issues with it since I set it up yesterday, but I just noticed that the daemon had failed and now doesn't seem to function after a restart, but I think that's because I mucked up something during yesterday's configure-a-thon.
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2024-02-09 17:26:43	manu	hi
2024-02-09 17:26:56	manu	how do i gain access to my account again? i'm banned
2024-02-09 17:27:06	manu	at least delete it
2024-02-09 17:27:29	manu	hi alexlehm 
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2024-02-09 17:27:49	alexlehm	manu: which account?
2024-02-09 17:27:54	manu	alexlehm: manu 
2024-02-09 17:28:00	alexlehm	i mean on which service
2024-02-09 17:28:04	manu	team
2024-02-09 17:28:06	manu	tilde.team
2024-02-09 17:28:13	alexlehm	ok, i think you have to ask on #team
2024-02-09 17:28:21	manu	i'm banned there
2024-02-09 17:28:23	manu	can't jion
2024-02-09 17:28:42	manu	it really sucks, imagine someone has a different opinion, you gonna get banned
2024-02-09 17:29:04	manu	let's say i hate women because my mum abused me, thats why i've got banned in the first place
2024-02-09 17:29:22	alexlehm	ah, you mean on the channel
2024-02-09 17:29:57	manu	not just channel also lost my ssh keys
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2024-02-09 17:30:44	manu	what if i've psychological issues and harm people around me, i guess it is better to setup my own server
2024-02-09 17:31:00	alexlehm	idk i think you have to take that up with the channel mods or the admins of tilde.team
2024-02-09 17:31:14	manu	hi BasnjaRu 
2024-02-09 17:31:17	manu	hi Benjojo 
2024-02-09 17:31:20	manu	hi ben i mean
2024-02-09 17:31:27	manu	ben won't let me back in
2024-02-09 17:31:46	manu	i wish to be a girl, i could be the victim by default
2024-02-09 17:31:50	manu	like my mum
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2024-02-09 17:32:17	manu	abused your kids && you're female && echo "victim!"
2024-02-09 17:32:51	EdFletcher	i'm sorry that happened to you, but you don't need to pass it along by repeating it all here. please stop. 
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2024-02-09 17:32:59	alexlehm	you are not helping your position here, hate is not an opinion
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2024-02-09 17:34:00	demure	gemini -- the channel to go to complain about being banned
2024-02-09 17:40:16	alexlehm	wasn't manu a user who was banned again after not doing any actual explanation about his abuse about 04/2023, i remember they posted on writefreely with a nothing apology
2024-02-09 17:40:30	@tomasino	i'd have to check the notes
2024-02-09 17:40:40	alexlehm	which i didn't remember when he asked before
2024-02-09 17:40:58	demure	my recollection of the bans were for being toxic
2024-02-09 17:41:26	alexlehm	i would have ignored them it i remembered immediately
2024-02-09 17:41:39	demure	regardless of if they have trauma, being misogynistic is uncalled for  
2024-02-09 17:42:13	demure	and they have been unwilling to reconsider their ways, as they have again shown
2024-02-09 17:43:03	alexlehm	==> "irc.tilde.#helpdesk.weechatlog:2023-04-18 16:15:55      manu    demure: should i write it on https://write.tildeverse.org/"
2024-02-09 17:43:44	demure	that appears to be a log line
2024-02-09 17:45:40	wgreenhouse	imagine _not_ using irc as a substitute for therapy
2024-02-09 17:45:41	alexlehm	thats  from my log when the same user was here the last time
2024-02-09 17:46:50	lupine	tbh minimum irc etiquette is not to bring drama from channel A into channel B
2024-02-09 17:47:14	alexlehm	they are likely banned on #helpdesk as well
2024-02-09 17:49:04	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+b manu!*@*] by tomasino
2024-02-09 17:49:14	★	tomasino yawns
2024-02-09 17:50:23	demure	alexlehm: regardless of that one line in your logs, they have failed to take self accountability multiple times, and today shows they still arent. *shrug*
2024-02-09 17:52:07	alexlehm	no, sorry i mean this was an incident that i remembered where they claimed they understood and then wrote a blog post of how sorry they are for hating women because its all their fault and they were banned again
2024-02-09 17:53:05	alexlehm	the next line was how to get an account (that i answered) and the resulting post was quite bad
2024-02-09 17:58:29	mechap	what the fuck
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2024-02-09 20:02:21	cat	it's so funny to me that people are surprised they get treated like a fool when they act a fool
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2024-02-11 15:35:15	mhj	Good day geminauts - do y'all have multiple gemini servers?
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2024-02-11 15:37:28	thrig	does the one on a laptop's localhost count
2024-02-11 15:40:29	coleman	nope just my site on a pubnix
2024-02-11 15:43:22	sario	I'm on two different tilde servers, both of which offer gemlog hosting.
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2024-02-11 16:07:02	dozens	i just have my account on tilde.town
2024-02-11 16:07:20	dozens	used to write on breadpunk before it closed down (and then reopened under new ownership)
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2024-02-11 17:44:39	alexlehm	i have a server with mollybrown and my chat server that i wrote myself
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2024-02-11 19:40:32	flow	good evening gemini ppl o/
2024-02-11 19:42:54	alexlehm	a not stopping gemini document that puts the messages at the end for each user, essentially like nph chat in http 1
2024-02-11 19:43:20	alexlehm	that was essentially my experiment how to write my own gemini server in vert.x
2024-02-11 19:48:32	yclept	i saw a breadpunk bumper sticker on holiday somewhere in mid-Wales and was nonplussed, but charmed
2024-02-11 19:50:12	yclept	still have no idea what it is really, but I am a longtime loaf fan
2024-02-11 19:51:56	yclept	anyway hi :3
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2024-02-11 23:38:40	kensanata	I had my own (Phoebe) but dropped it and now I’m using Satellite. 
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2024-02-12 23:06:24	sysrq	are there ipfs gateways in the geminispace?
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2024-02-12 23:32:07	@tomasino	i don't think so... i'm also not sure how that would work
2024-02-12 23:32:11	@tomasino	hmm
2024-02-12 23:32:14	★	tomasino thinks!
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2024-02-12 23:56:33	wgreenhouse	tomasino: how do the https <-> ipfs bridges work?
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2024-02-13 00:14:25	epoch	afair, you can do an "ipfs get [hash]" command that will dump the contents of a file that exists in ipfs
2024-02-13 00:14:35	epoch	a gemini one shouldn't be hard.
2024-02-13 00:15:03	epoch	like, pass the path into ipfs get, and return what that command returns
2024-02-13 00:15:27	epoch	ipfs cat*
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2024-02-13 00:21:56	epoch	would probably want to have ipfs cat run from timeout and output some server-side-timeout response so people can rightly blame ipfs for being slow :P
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2024-02-13 07:04:50	jcowan	tomasino: You are talking about trademarks.  One-word texts aren't subject to copyright.
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2024-02-13 20:08:21	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+o ben] by bsd.tilde.chat
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2024-02-14 05:32:46	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+qo Saint_Tuesday Saint_Tuesday] by ChanServ
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2024-02-15 06:03:12	epoch	got a report that some of the redirhell torture tests weren't working.
2024-02-15 06:03:46	epoch	went through all of the torture tests and did a quick check and all of them should be working now
2024-02-15 06:04:27	epoch	gemini://gemini.thebackupbox.net/tests/torture/ btw
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2024-02-15 21:05:17	epoch	hrm.. first google came for gopher, now they've come after gemini, what's next?
2024-02-15 21:06:06	epoch	would probably be something that starts with a 'g'
2024-02-15 21:06:14	dozens	it's a sad state of affairs
2024-02-15 21:06:53	thrig	quick invent a Geezers protocol
2024-02-15 21:07:22	★	epoch looks for a list of protocols to find the ones that start with 'g'
2024-02-15 21:07:24	epoch	gre
2024-02-15 21:07:43	thrig	ggp, gmtp
2024-02-15 21:08:29	epoch	git
2024-02-15 21:08:31	epoch	oh no
2024-02-15 21:08:33	dozens	oh no
2024-02-15 21:15:57	Hanicef	epoch: bonus points if it's 6 characters?
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2024-02-15 21:21:03	epoch	gitgud
2024-02-15 21:21:46	epoch	gitter?
2024-02-15 21:22:06	epoch	github gitlab
2024-02-15 21:25:42	yclept	gruehut
2024-02-15 21:26:43	epoch	inb4 google invents AI/robot through gemini + boston dynamics and names it "grue"
2024-02-15 21:26:51	epoch	that eats people in the dark. >_>
2024-02-15 21:29:58	yclept	don't go in that hut, that's where the predictably  racist chatbots live!
2024-02-15 21:30:17	yclept	is what i definitely said. the idea did not originate with me
2024-02-15 21:35:08	epoch	hrm... if I was going to defend myself from murderbots...
2024-02-15 21:35:57	thrig	avoid America?
2024-02-15 21:37:27	epoch	that'd probably help
2024-02-15 21:38:11	amby	paint your door a funny colour
2024-02-15 21:38:47	epoch	right, what kinds of things do they make these robots avoid, and try to make a fake one of those somehow
2024-02-15 21:39:15	epoch	put up malware in QR codes
2024-02-15 21:40:36	epoch	was about to say "was about to say "maybe this should be in #cyberpunk" but..." but couldn't come up with a way to finish that sentence
2024-02-15 21:41:29	epoch	at some point stuff that would have been #cyberpunk is just reality
2024-02-15 21:41:30	yclept	that's from snow crash, google men love that shit
2024-02-15 21:42:01	epoch	"snowcrash is not an instruction manual!"
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2024-02-15 21:46:47	epoch	if I was gonna try to shoot a robot... I'd probably aim for the fans
2024-02-15 21:47:26	epoch	or just jab a stick in it
2024-02-15 21:47:38	epoch	so an arrow might work
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2024-02-17 15:49:11	mhj	Good day geminauts, what's the plans for your capsules?
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2024-02-17 15:52:57	thrig	blather on the blog
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2024-02-17 16:17:01	lupine	I should post a garden room update sometime
2024-02-17 16:17:12	lupine	And I guess the growing season will start again soon
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2024-02-17 17:47:05	jcowan	Plans?  I got plenty plans, I just got no spoons.
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2024-02-17 18:58:09	qq	lupine: garden room?
2024-02-17 18:59:01	lupine	Yup
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2024-02-17 19:00:48	lupine	gemini://ur.gs/blog/garden-room/ rather out of date, I have a structure with a roof now
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2024-02-17 19:04:56	dozens	thinking about a followup post about groff
2024-02-17 19:06:05	yclept	very interested in both these things :)
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2024-02-17 19:11:26	qq	very nice, lupine! how was it getting the roof up? did you end up forming much of a plan first?
2024-02-17 19:12:41	lupine	The roof ended uo being pretty easy. I went for a regular flat roof, got a slope on it by differentially compressing the straw, then popped an EPDM membrane over it
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2024-02-19 01:57:58	dzwdz	is someone archiving antenna?
2024-02-19 01:58:24	dzwdz	i don't even mean the pages it links to, just the feed itself
2024-02-19 01:58:38	dzwdz	would be fun to browse through historical entries
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2024-02-19 02:03:04	cat	that'd be neat
2024-02-19 02:05:06	dzwdz	i hope all that data wasn't lost
2024-02-19 02:05:43	dzwdz	if someone reminds me tomorrow maybe i could make a small thingy for this
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2024-02-19 13:53:43	dzwdz	do you have the historical entries stored somewhere?
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2024-02-19 16:36:55	ew0k	dzwdz: nope. I consider it a feature that Antenna forgets
2024-02-19 16:37:54	ew0k	Wouldn't mind if someone else archived it, though. Since the entries go 7 days back it would be enough to just fetch and save it once a week, at the same time.
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2024-02-20 16:35:18	dzwdz	speaking of archiving stuff
2024-02-20 16:35:25	dzwdz	has anyone made a copy of konpeito before it went down?
2024-02-20 16:36:35	dzwdz	all the tapes are on slsk but i don't think the site was archived?
2024-02-20 16:40:18	@tomasino	brendo has it, i believe
2024-02-20 16:40:25	@tomasino	and cat of course
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2024-02-20 17:44:42	epoch	dzwdz: I have a copy of konpeito too
2024-02-20 17:45:07	epoch	gemini://konpeito.thebackupbox.net/
2024-02-20 17:46:37	dzwdz	oh, great
2024-02-20 17:46:38	dzwdz	thanks
2024-02-20 17:46:41	epoch	o7
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2024-02-20 18:11:14	Guest46500	Hi! I want to put both my HTTP and Gemini page on the same subdomain (https://www.example.com and gemini://www.example.com). How can I achieve this?
2024-02-20 18:12:05	thrig	run a gemini server and a http server
2024-02-20 18:18:57	dzwdz	yeah they don't conflict with each other
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2024-02-20 18:24:26	dzwdz	also, i'm thinking about maybe making a small archiving format for gemini
2024-02-20 18:24:33	dzwdz	like how WARC is used for archiving web pages
2024-02-20 18:25:07	dzwdz	store the full request, response, cert, date, etc
2024-02-20 18:25:14	dzwdz	unless that's already been done
2024-02-20 18:25:28	thrig	ploum/offpunk
2024-02-20 18:26:12	dzwdz	well, yes, but i don't think that was specifically meant for archiving gemini?
2024-02-20 18:26:17	dzwdz	like in an interoperable format
2024-02-20 18:26:20	dzwdz	might be wrong, lemme check
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2024-02-20 19:39:30	epoch	dzwdz: if you want all of konpeito in a single file, I can zip all of it up for sharing.. maybe a good use for a small torrent.
2024-02-20 19:40:33	dzwdz	i was thinking exactly the same thing
2024-02-20 19:40:55	dzwdz	i've already got the tapes from bunnymoder on soulseek, but i could seed a torrent
2024-02-20 19:41:37	epoch	I have the original index.gmi that'd we probably want in the torrent instead of the one I modified to use my domain
2024-02-20 19:42:02	epoch	or just, use relative links instead of absolute
2024-02-20 19:42:10	dzwdz	are there any gemini torrent sites yet
2024-02-20 19:42:21	dzwdz	i'd use the original index.gmi
2024-02-20 19:46:47	epoch	tgzing it up atm...
2024-02-20 19:46:57	epoch	then gonna copy to the computer with my torrent client is
2024-02-20 19:47:28	epoch	going to unzip it before turning into a torrent so people can grab just the mp3s out of it I guess
2024-02-20 19:47:33	dzwdz	i was about to say
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2024-02-20 19:54:20	epoch	my archive is going offline while I'm moving files
2024-02-20 19:54:40	epoch	forgot how large it is so just gonna keep one copy and torrent from the live site's files :P
2024-02-20 19:55:20	dzwdz	wait how large it is
2024-02-20 19:55:27	dzwdz	the copy i grabbed of soulseek is like 1.4G
2024-02-20 19:55:53	epoch	the music might be just that, but I had all of the files from the site even if they were kind of duplicates
2024-02-20 19:55:59	epoch	like the zips that also had the mp3s
2024-02-20 19:56:01	dzwdz	ah
2024-02-20 19:56:06	epoch	the tgz was getting over 2G
2024-02-20 19:56:25	dzwdz	is there anything in the zips that isn't on the site itself?
2024-02-20 19:56:38	dzwdz	if not then i would skip them from the torrent
2024-02-20 19:57:31	epoch	eh, whoever wants the torrent can skip them
2024-02-20 19:57:46	dzwdz	fair
2024-02-20 19:58:39	dzwdz	also, you could make a torrent of the original files while keeping the "fixed" version on your sites using symlinks/hardlinks
2024-02-20 19:58:41	dzwdz	if you feel like it
2024-02-20 19:58:49	dzwdz	torrent clients respect those
2024-02-20 20:01:47	epoch	I'm making the torrent using the original files then I'm gonna put a file back in to make it work live
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2024-02-20 20:02:34	dzwdz	okie
2024-02-20 20:02:36	dzwdz	thanks for doing this
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2024-02-20 20:06:24	epoch	np
2024-02-20 20:09:15	★	epoch sets .torrent to the right mime-type...
2024-02-20 20:09:54	epoch	gemini://konpeito.thebackupbox.net/konpeito.media.torrent
2024-02-20 20:09:58	★	epoch crosses fingers that it works
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2024-02-20 20:10:19	dzwdz	wow, my rpi is stil updating
2024-02-20 20:10:26	dzwdz	will take a while before i manage to put transmission on there
2024-02-20 20:11:00	epoch	I probably could have setup an http source for the torrent too
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2024-02-20 20:17:00	epoch	http://konpeito.thebackupbox.net/ might work as a webseed for at least most of the files
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2024-02-20 20:17:32	epoch	don't have the domain in the https cert yet
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2024-02-20 20:20:56	epoch	howdy, cat
2024-02-20 20:22:05	dzwdz	what's .pad
2024-02-20 20:22:24	epoch	I dunno
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2024-02-20 20:24:20	dzwdz	actually wouldn't it be better to put it up on archive.org
2024-02-20 20:24:34	dzwdz	not finding any peers btw
2024-02-20 20:24:47	dzwdz	i'll just blame my janky setup i guess
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2024-02-20 20:25:54	epoch	I had a couple things flipped off for some reason
2024-02-20 20:26:24	epoch	can you manually add peers in transmission?
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2024-02-20 20:26:49	dzwdz	i don't think so, no
2024-02-20 20:26:55	epoch	and maybe I should put it on a tracker..
2024-02-20 20:27:08	dzwdz	oh! i have a peer
2024-02-20 20:27:14	dzwdz	no nvm
2024-02-20 20:27:23	dzwdz	i think that was a dht crawler or something
2024-02-20 20:27:41	dzwdz	just put it on archive.org tbh
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2024-02-20 20:29:28	epoch	heh. I might've just derped and it wasn't seeding. XD
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2024-02-20 20:29:50	dzwdz	eh, i shut down transmission already
2024-02-20 20:30:12	dzwdz	if you make an archive.org, i'll seed that torrent
2024-02-20 20:30:23	dzwdz	s/make an/upload it to
2024-02-20 20:30:30	dzwdz	or actually
2024-02-20 20:30:41	dzwdz	i'll just do that myself
2024-02-20 20:31:24	epoch	ehhh, I think cat has an opinion about archive.org
2024-02-20 20:32:06	dzwdz	?
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2024-02-20 20:34:50	cat	sorry, I'm messing with the baby so I'm in and out haha
2024-02-20 20:34:52	cat	what's up?
2024-02-20 20:35:04	epoch	do you want konpeito on archive.org ?
2024-02-20 20:36:39	dzwdz	there's already one konpeito tape on archive.org, i assumed that was official
2024-02-20 20:36:58	cat	yeah I don't mind at all - when it was an active project I would have preferred it was nowhere but Gemini because I wanted it to be a thing explicitly for Gemini space but now it's done and dusted I've got no problem with it being archived anywhere and everywhere
2024-02-20 20:37:08	cat	it's a part of history now ;3
2024-02-20 20:37:13	epoch	kk
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2024-02-20 20:37:57	cat	don't do anything dumb with it tho obviously
2024-02-20 20:38:07	cat	like list it for sale on Bandcamp or whatever
2024-02-20 20:38:18	cat	not that anyone here would haha
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2024-02-20 21:13:51	cat	ok I think I'm back
2024-02-20 21:14:14	dzwdz	hi
2024-02-20 21:14:55	cat	my only ask if someone wants to add them to archive.org is to do a good job, make sure you've got the metadata in there and accurate, put a proper description, etc
2024-02-20 21:15:28	cat	the Archive has a real data quality issue because people half arse adding things and it's incredibly frustrating
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2024-02-21 00:46:10	dzwdz	any capsules which don't send close_notify? i want to test something
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2024-02-21 01:57:43	epoch	I could make mine not send close notify probably.
2024-02-21 01:58:24	★	epoch drops in an exit(0); before SSL_shutdown();
2024-02-21 01:58:32	epoch	think that'll work? :]
2024-02-21 02:03:21	epoch	port 1966 has no shutdown. 1965 still shutsdown
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2024-02-21 02:06:11	epoch	looks like openssl s_client is able to notice the difference
2024-02-21 02:07:43	mhj	Hi, I have a gemini and gopher sites running over the r 
2024-02-21 02:07:50	mhj	Oops lol
2024-02-21 02:08:06	mhj	Regular net and yggdrasil
2024-02-21 02:08:30	mhj	Which gemini client can handle ipv6 
2024-02-21 02:09:59	epoch	I would hope most of them. I haven't tested any for specifically ipv6 though.
2024-02-21 02:10:26	epoch	lagrange can do IPv6
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2024-02-21 02:12:59	thrig	v6 isn't that much different if you use a modern getaddrinfo call or language that DTRT
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2024-02-21 02:13:49	epoch	AV-98 lists ipv6 as supported in its readme
2024-02-21 02:14:01	epoch	so, offpunk is likely to also work
2024-02-21 02:14:08	epoch	uh... what are other gemini clients?
2024-02-21 02:14:19	epoch	(that are still being maintained)
2024-02-21 02:17:25	mhj	Thanks!
2024-02-21 02:21:30	epoch	o7
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2024-02-21 15:09:22	dzwdz	epoch: thebackupbox.net?
2024-02-21 15:09:40	dzwdz	1966 seems closed
2024-02-21 15:18:29	epoch	:/
2024-02-21 15:18:40	epoch	oh. yeah. I forgot to forward the port. heh.
2024-02-21 15:20:23	epoch	should be forwarded now
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2024-02-21 15:24:33	dzwdz	yup, works now! thanks
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2024-02-21 21:16:03	rb100	my old client, lr-87, supports ipv6
2024-02-21 21:16:10	rb100	had to peek at the source, couldn't remember
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2024-02-22 14:05:56	mhj	Good day geminauts
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2024-02-22 17:03:17	rynn	Is it okay if I identify as a geminaughty?
2024-02-22 17:07:00	thrig	why, do you not send close-notify or something like that?
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2024-02-22 17:11:05	kensanata	The fact that this still hasn't been merged is part of my disenchantment. https://github.com/mojolicious/mojo/pull/1875
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2024-02-22 17:23:32	rynn	thrig: Mainly because I have my server set up but haven't actually posted anything yet...
2024-02-22 17:25:17	satchlj	rynn there is no requirement to post
2024-02-22 17:25:31	thrig	eh, I have libraries I've installed but haven't done anything with (libtcod comes to mind)
2024-02-22 17:25:36	satchlj	but you can identify as whatever you want
2024-02-22 17:28:51	rynn	True, but the entire reason I set it up was to start blogging a bit, I just haven't squeezed it into my schedule yet.
2024-02-22 17:29:38	satchlj	yeah well i don't post regularly either, just do it when you have something to write about and have some time to write it
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2024-02-22 19:28:17	dzwdz	turns out lagrange doesn't like pages which consist of a single 128mb line
2024-02-22 19:28:21	dzwdz	who would've thought
2024-02-22 19:30:29	thrig	several things won't
2024-02-22 19:33:11	dzwdz	and when i opened it back up it tried to load the last page i've had open :)
2024-02-22 19:34:11	dzwdz	had to kill the server
2024-02-22 20:05:19	lupine	amuse
2024-02-22 20:05:25	lupine	it's a good way to kill text editors too
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2024-02-22 20:16:29	thrig	hence SMTP having maximum line lengths, or there was some noise on gopher about keeping those lines short
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2024-02-22 20:44:10	rynn	"128mb should be enough for anybody." --Bill Gates, probably
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2024-02-22 20:59:22	epoch	anyone have a best practices file for gemini?
2024-02-22 20:59:58	epoch	I don't remember where we ended up on the, hard breaks vs long-lines-and-let-client-reflow
2024-02-22 21:00:09	epoch	I figure the second.
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2024-02-22 21:00:39	lupine	yeah, sadly the second
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2024-02-22 21:02:43	thrig	... but not too long, like put some paragraphs in there
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2024-02-23 14:10:34	kotovalexarian	Hello. Should I add support for multiple virtual hosts to Molly Brown? Or just take another server?
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2024-02-23 14:22:20	demure	kotovalexarian: are you talking about one instance being able to serve content for both blah.com and sub1.blah.com ?
2024-02-23 14:23:14	kotovalexarian	Yes
2024-02-23 14:24:06	demure	that would seem desirable to me. as a comparison, I would find it annoying to need multiple separate instances of nginx daemons serve up subdomains 
2024-02-23 14:25:15	kotovalexarian	I also want both on the same port 1965, it doesn't seem to be possible right now.
2024-02-23 14:25:22	demure	now, if the comparison falls apart because of differences in how one might configure gemini subdomain instances, feel free to ignore me :)  
2024-02-23 14:27:27	demure	yeah, normally a port is pretty much locked to a single process, unless you try to do something fancy with an intermediary process/proxy
2024-02-23 14:27:31	satchlj	kotovalexarian if you add vhosts support to Molly brown lots of people will be happy
2024-02-23 14:27:54	satchlj	most people go the 'choose another server' route because they need vhosts and don't want to do the work
2024-02-23 14:28:29	satchlj	but I think there are many people who would use Molly Brown if it got support for that
2024-02-23 14:28:54	kotovalexarian	This requires some backward-incompatible changes in the config format, so I should discuss this with Solderpunk first.
2024-02-23 14:29:40	demure	I would suggest that the change is well merited, even if it causes growing pains. the alternative is likely to severely limit the user base  
2024-02-23 14:29:46	kotovalexarian	But I've seen the code, and I think that I'm able to implement this 
2024-02-23 14:37:45	kotovalexarian	Ok, I've written an email to Solderpunk, now waiting for his response.
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2024-02-23 19:21:07	kusoneko	technically speaking you can also just fork it, dont have to ask for permission?
2024-02-23 19:28:19	thrig	there are degrees between working to a mutually satisfactory result and burning the bridges
2024-02-23 19:35:13	kusoneko	no but i meant you can start on a prototype implementation without waiting for a reply
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2024-02-23 19:49:31	demure	sure. though if the other dev is interested, waiting a few days before coding could mean less rework due to coordination of design and effort 
2024-02-23 19:52:35	thrig	the political layer that got left off the OSI stack
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2024-02-25 15:04:00	lupine	Indeed it is
2024-02-25 15:04:11	lupine	Lovely sun here
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2024-02-26 05:59:24	cyberwolf	where links gemserv from
2024-02-26 05:59:29	cyberwolf	int80h
2024-02-26 06:09:44	cyberwolf	yes, his last commit 2 years ago is more dead than alive
2024-02-26 06:09:52	cyberwolf	https://git.sr.ht/~int80h/gemserv/log
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2024-02-26 07:00:56	epoch	or is it feature complete?
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2024-02-26 08:43:14	ew0k	the last updates were to fix a filesystem traversal exploit. Other than that I believe it's feature complete
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2024-02-26 08:54:25	lupine	stable software best software
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2024-02-26 10:06:28	ew0k	Yup
2024-02-26 10:52:49	alexlehm	i used gemserv for a while but switched since it was missing something i needed, cannot remember what
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2024-02-26 19:51:35	epoch	how often is rust making breaking changes?
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2024-02-26 19:52:31	epoch	I remember it being fairly often like, 8 years ago or so... holy shit. that was 8 years ago.
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2024-02-26 19:54:00	epoch	does rust have like, frozen sets of standard features that can be targetted against that you can be fairly certain won't ever change like how there's various versions of C?
2024-02-26 19:54:26	epoch	or will the language always be a moving target?
2024-02-26 19:55:07	lupine	you can target a specific version, which says "this set of stable features"
2024-02-26 19:55:21	epoch	oh good
2024-02-26 19:55:28	lupine	best you're going to get for this kinda thing
2024-02-26 20:01:59	★	epoch writing shell scripts that targets "works on my computer"
2024-02-26 20:02:08	epoch	I don't really have a high horse to stand on :P
2024-02-26 20:03:29	thrig	some of that older C stuff (old function declares) is getting deprecated, and modern compilers may hate on old stuff
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2024-02-26 20:19:33	alexlehm	i am programming C since 1986 or so and the only breaking change i can think of is prototypes
2024-02-26 20:19:42	alexlehm	though i may be missing some
2024-02-26 20:27:15	lupine	the inability to deprecate stuff is the subject of a very good blog post somewhere about why C is awful
2024-02-26 20:28:27	lupine	obvs, impossible to find
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2024-02-26 20:30:14	epoch	might be a "feature" of a language to intentionally make breaking changes every like, 6 months just to keep people on their toes? :P
2024-02-26 20:31:21	epoch	"the name of the main function is now [insert-random-64-alphanumerics]"
2024-02-26 20:32:08	thrig	there's probably a goldilocks zone between too few and too many breaks
2024-02-26 20:34:45	lupine	aye. genuinely can't find this blog post but it centers around how they couldn't add a C compiler *warning* - not even an error - for a particular broken thing because some toolchain somewhere treats warnings as errors
2024-02-26 20:36:21	thrig	also depends on the programmer, I like it when code I wrote 20 years ago still works, while if you have a team keeping on top of all the latest changes...
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2024-02-26 20:55:35	lupine	not related, but enjoying reading https://thephd.dev/to-save-c-we-must-save-abi-fixing-c-function-abi which came up in my search
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2024-02-27 03:40:38	jcowan	lupine: gets() is deprecated, so that was a breaking change or not depending on your attitude to loud, obnoxious compiler warnings
2024-02-27 03:44:46	jcowan	lupine: I think "flow-long-lines" is the right choice, because the document author gets to choose the max line length and the client gets to choose how to display it.  It's kind of unfortunate that (some) servers have a problem, but arguably a document with 1.6 million lines is unreadable anyway
2024-02-27 03:45:32	jcowan	(I assume this bug affects only gemtext interpretation and not other formats)
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2024-03-05 15:14:59	★	CrtxReavr waves.
2024-03-05 15:17:14	CrtxReavr	Gemini is. .. gopher re-imagined?
2024-03-05 15:20:04	sysrq	yes
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2024-03-05 15:20:30	sysrq	it started as "gopher with tls"
2024-03-05 15:22:50	CrtxReavr	I noticed the ~/public_gemini/ dir when I shelled in.
2024-03-05 15:24:23	★	CrtxReavr grep gemini /etc/services
2024-03-05 15:24:53	sysrq	it's not standard (yet)
2024-03-05 15:25:20	sysrq	port number is 1965
2024-03-05 15:27:29	CrtxReavr	I guess I'm mis-remembering an existing gophers port.
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2024-03-05 15:39:50	mhj	Good day geminauts
2024-03-05 15:40:40	Winco	Good day mhj
2024-03-05 15:41:16	mhj	Heyo~
2024-03-05 15:44:51	CrtxReavr	I mark two points in history when "the web" went to shit.
2024-03-05 15:45:27	CrtxReavr	The first was when it became acceptable to execute code on clients in the interest of advertising.
2024-03-05 15:45:45	CrtxReavr	The second was the advent of tabbed browsers.
2024-03-05 15:48:07	sysrq	the third was deprecating browser plugins in favor of ever-growing web "standards"
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2024-03-05 15:49:20	wgreenhouse	meh; plugins (aka little parasitic browsers with their own memory leaks and their own network connections) I don't miss
2024-03-05 15:49:33	wgreenhouse	that is not an idea that aged well
2024-03-05 15:49:52	CrtxReavr	Look at phone "apps."
2024-03-05 15:50:13	CrtxReavr	99% of them are just web browsers that only work on one site.
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2024-03-05 18:54:15	alexlehm	gopher is port 70
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2024-03-05 19:02:23	alexlehm	not sure if that is used for gophers as well, i guess that is something like starttls
2024-03-05 19:02:56	koalillo	https://github.com/alexpdp7/language-tool-utils/blob/main/ltu/gmi.py <--- something very very internal, but if someone is interested...
2024-03-05 19:03:07	koalillo	a language detector + languagetool to spell check my blog posts...
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2024-03-05 19:50:04	CrtxReavr	I'm sure this will earn me no friends here, but why did Gemini write yet another markup language, when they could have just gone with. . . markdown maybe?
2024-03-05 20:00:14	lupine	Gemtext is line-based, unlike markdown but like gopher (aiui)
2024-03-05 20:00:20	lupine	You can serve markdown if you like though
2024-03-05 20:01:19	wgreenhouse	also unlike markdown gemtext has a specification
2024-03-05 20:02:23	lupine	Who needs a specification when you have N partially overlapping implementations?!
2024-03-05 20:02:50	lupine	(Having done a fair bit of markdown parsing, I am quite down on it ^^)
2024-03-05 20:04:01	wgreenhouse	but yeah, I think the basic reason is gemtext can accommodate entirely line-oriented clients and that works
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2024-03-05 20:51:07	CrtxReavr	I like how markdown is generally readable in plain text, plus how it renders as HTML, Et al.
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2024-03-05 20:53:03	alexlehm	the gemtext markdown variant is pretty readable
2024-03-05 20:53:19	alexlehm	there is a cli browser that just shows the text, that works fine
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2024-03-05 20:56:21	wgreenhouse	CrtxReavr: gemtext somewhat dramatically resembles at least the very basics of markdown <_<
2024-03-05 20:58:22	CrtxReavr	I saw that.. . though the hyperlink syntax reminded me too much of Puppet or Ruby.
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2024-03-06 09:34:15	ew0k	CrtxReavr: the basic arguments are 1) there’s no implementation of markdown that *isn’t* made to convert to html, 2) there are many conflicting versions of markdown, hence ”markdown” means many different things, 3) writing a parser for markdown is complicated
2024-03-06 09:35:24	ew0k	I agree that markdown is *generally* readable in plain text, but only if you have a passing familiarity with html
2024-03-06 09:35:53	lupine	html is valid markdown ;)
2024-03-06 09:36:07	ew0k	That’s also true 😂
2024-03-06 09:37:08	lupine	I put out 4.5K words in gemtext yesterday and didn't have to think about formatting once. it's just very pleasant
2024-03-06 09:37:33	ew0k	Having written a gemtext-to-html converter and a general gemtext parser I can say that it’s trivial.
2024-03-06 09:37:37	lupine	but people who prefer markdown can always publish markdown
2024-03-06 09:38:11	ew0k	I write in gemtext for my gemlog and convert to html for my blog
2024-03-06 09:39:05	lupine	that way's pretty easy, fortunately
2024-03-06 09:39:32	ew0k	Yup. I think it’s a pleasant and elegant solution
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2024-03-06 10:07:45	lupine	qq: those 4.5k words were on the garden room btw :D
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2024-03-06 15:19:58	CrtxReavr	ew0k: Not sure I'd agree that there are conflicting versions of markdown. . . there's the basic, commonly used spec, then there's some extenstions. . . the most common of which being github extensions.
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2024-03-06 15:41:10	wgreenhouse	CrtxReavr: by the baaic commonly used spec do you mean the daringfireball blog post?
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2024-03-06 16:20:45	lupine	There's commonmark, but that's explicitly not markdown
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2024-03-06 16:46:43	jaix	i haven't read in detail the various flavours of markdown, does anybody know if there are any incompatibilities or conflicts between them?
2024-03-06 16:46:50	jaix	or if they are non-overlapping extensions
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2024-03-06 17:05:33	kensanata	I think you'll get a good idea of the problems when you read Common Mark since they're trying to eliminate the ambiguities.
2024-03-06 17:07:28	kensanata	For example, compare https://spec.commonmark.org/0.31.2/#backslash-escapes with https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax#backslash
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2024-03-07 06:17:34	cyberwolf	Gemini-IPFS gateway no worker on the network?
2024-03-07 06:19:42	cyberwolf	 gemini://rawtext.club/~sloum/geminilist/005449.gmi
2024-03-07 06:20:17	cyberwolf	gemini://gemini.astyanax.io/ipfs/QmbnyBRhrNA6JcgcfoAonVmQm1jivY81jmziKjVrmyYyym/
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2024-03-07 13:37:56	rynn	Anyone know if there's a way to increase the scrollbar size in Lagrange on Mac? It's basically just a line.
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2024-03-07 13:49:35	ew0k	Back!!!
2024-03-07 13:53:21	rynn	ISP issues resolved?
2024-03-07 14:01:17	ew0k	it seems that way
2024-03-07 14:01:38	ew0k	customer support hasn't emailed me to say the issue has been resolved yet
2024-03-07 14:01:46	ew0k	but my servers are online again!
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2024-03-07 17:55:24	rkta	scrollbars seem really out fashion nowadays
2024-03-07 17:55:53	rkta	otoh with all that dynamic loading on the web they were borked anyways
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2024-03-07 18:02:33	koalillo	I recently dug the about:prefs setting for "scrollbars always on" in Firefox and it's been a noticeable improvement
2024-03-07 18:02:42	thrig	I disabled them in my xterms years ago
2024-03-07 18:03:20	thrig	probably I turned them on in firefox and changed the scroll direction to be opposite the weird smartphone default
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2024-03-07 18:09:37	koalillo	well, terminal scrollbars quickly become useless, so I can understand that
2024-03-07 18:11:34	thrig	xterm scrolls were also weird and needed a 3button mouse and I was usually on a macbook
2024-03-07 18:20:18	rkta	terms don't need a scrollbar, they have pagers
2024-03-07 18:26:04	demure	thats kind of like saying terminal emulators don't need tabs, you have multiplexers. sure, they can be great, but some people don't want/need to jump through hoops for basic features :p
2024-03-07 18:28:03	thrig	I had to jump through hoops to turn off a bunch of crap in Terminal.app
2024-03-07 18:28:47	demure	apple does things the way they like XD
2024-03-07 18:28:57	rkta	terminal emulators don't need tabs, they have multiplexers
2024-03-07 18:29:29	thrig	probably it was something color, mouse, or tabs related. involved some janky applescript running from some zsh rc
2024-03-07 18:44:27	CrtxReavr	18:20 < rkta> terms don't need a scrollbar, they have pagers
2024-03-07 18:44:31	CrtxReavr	Blasphame!
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2024-03-07 19:38:31	awb	In Plan 9 there is no pager, you /always/ use terminal scroll in 8½/Rio.
2024-03-07 19:44:17	rkta	awb: Interesting, does it feel more like using terminal scroll or like using a built-in pager?
2024-03-07 19:46:16	awb	I would say more like a built-in pager, but the Plan 9 GUI definitely uses a mouse-first approach.
2024-03-07 19:46:53	rkta	That's a shame.
2024-03-07 19:47:06	rkta	I mean the mouse-first thing...
2024-03-07 19:48:18	awb	I used to use Plan 9 regularly and you very much get used to it.
2024-03-07 19:49:28	awb	Considering I am a heavy Emacs user, it's surprising how much I enjoyed the way Plan 9 user interaction worked. :D
2024-03-07 19:49:32	rkta	No. I don't have a mouse, I don't want one, I will not get used to it.
2024-03-07 19:50:08	awb	And that's totally fair, of course.
2024-03-07 19:51:00	thrig	actually putting mouse support into a terminal game here (mostly for the normals, but also handy for debugging)
2024-03-07 19:51:23	rkta	To be fair, part of my dislike for mouse UI does stem from shitty UIs. You have to throw the pointer from left to right all over the desktop to get *one* thing done...
2024-03-07 19:54:10	rkta	My benchmark for mouse-pointer-interaction is the shitty trackpoint of my t480 - if works with it, it's good. If it works with any other thinkpad trackpoint, it's ok.
2024-03-07 19:55:36	thrig	Apple used to have good mouse stuff, but they kinda tossed out their human interface guide a while ago
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2024-03-07 20:28:02	awb	Fitts's Law is a great reference for good UI design. Basically, the farther away the thing you want to point at is, the larger it needs to be. That's why fiddly controls on the periphery of a window are so frustrating.
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2024-03-08 19:07:36	anthk	I like vis, but I'm using 9base as a test for POSIX awk software and scripting =)
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2024-03-09 10:52:52	anthk	what I'd like to know, if is there some way to port 9front software such as the gopher and gemini clients into plan9port
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2024-03-09 22:05:13	ℹ 	Topic for #gemini is "Discussion of the gemini protocol | gemini://geminiprotocol.net/ | gemini://geminiprotocol.net/news/ | gemini://geminiquickst.art | This channel is publicly logged in gemspace"
2024-03-09 22:05:13	ℹ 	Topic set by tomasino (~tomasino@cosmic.voyage) on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:31:37
2024-03-09 22:05:13	ℹ 	Channel #gemini: 191 nicks (2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 189 normals)
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2024-03-09 22:05:13	anthk	on the mouse, due to the touchpad layout of by netbook, mouse chords are not practical
2024-03-09 22:05:13	anthk	what I'd like to know, if is there some way to port 9front software such as the gopher and gemini clients into plan9port
2024-03-09 22:05:13	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+o tomasino] by ChanServ
2024-03-09 22:05:30	ℹ 	Channel created on Sat, 31 Aug 2019 22:41:57
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2024-03-10 00:30:59	Watzefak	Hello! Anyone here who ever successfully started a gemini server via docker?
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2024-03-10 09:54:12	koalillo	I run my server in Kubernetes if that counts? what issue you're having?
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2024-03-10 10:01:58	Watzefak	hello koalillo, i'm just starting. you know how to plan and start a gemini capsule on dpcker? compose?
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2024-03-10 10:26:32	koalillo	it depends a lot on what do you want to do. which server are you thinking of running? I assume you won't be needing multiple processes (say, a database?)
2024-03-10 10:27:17	koalillo	for a lot of time, I ran my capsule on Agate. no docker, no docker-compose... I ran it inside GNU Screen
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2024-03-10 11:16:06	Watzefak	koalillo, and now? how do you host your gemini capsule?
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2024-03-10 11:37:16	koalillo	I run it on Kubernetes ( https://github.com/alexpdp7/alexpdp7/tree/master/blog for details). But that's not something I'd recommend to everyone
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2024-03-11 09:34:31	Madali	Hi everyone, I'm new to Gemini, just saying hi. 
2024-03-11 09:39:47	rkta	Madali: Hi and welcome!
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2024-03-11 09:40:50	Hanicef	henlo Madali 
2024-03-11 09:41:54	Madali	Thank you, rkta and Hanicef. Been enjoying wandering lost and confused through the smallweb last few days
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2024-03-11 10:14:49	alexlehm	Madali: as a convention, we ask everybody who is new if they have a gemini site already and what the address is
2024-03-11 10:26:24	Madali	Thanks for the heads up. I've started one on yesterweb but it's just to dip my toes in uncharted land.
2024-03-11 10:26:27	Madali	gemini://madali.cities.yesterweb.org/
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2024-03-12 10:14:11	epoch	I finally got around to testing code that'll do that
2024-03-12 10:14:34	epoch	it needs to be cleaned up some still, but it seems to work
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2024-03-15 12:19:21	ew0k	That’s how I would do it
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2024-03-15 12:58:12	alexlehm	probably with pandoc
2024-03-15 12:59:07	demure	it does appear someone has made a pandoc template https://github.com/njamescouk/pandocGmi
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2024-03-15 13:31:59	koalillo	given how simple Gemtext is to parse, writing a GMI to Pandoc AST converter would be easy, and would let you convert Gemtext to anything (including ePub)
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2024-03-15 19:06:56	epoch	found another name that google took
2024-03-15 19:07:02	epoch	gfs
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2024-03-15 19:07:24	epoch	was looking for "global file system" and "google file system" was all up in my search results
2024-03-15 19:07:42	epoch	I guess I'll start a list.
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2024-03-15 19:09:10	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+o ben] by ChanServ
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2024-03-15 19:24:38	epoch	https://thebackupbox.net/~epoch/blog/google-name-steals here's the list so far.
2024-03-15 19:24:41	epoch	err
2024-03-15 19:24:48	epoch	gemini://thebackupbox.net/~epoch/blog/google-name-steals *
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2024-03-15 19:25:50	thrig	venn diagram of "stolen by google" and "killed by google" ...
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2024-03-15 19:26:25	lupine	handy, ta
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2024-03-15 22:30:24	FoolishOwl	Is there a convention for hostnames for Gemini servers, like www for Web servers?
2024-03-15 22:31:22	thrig	probably not, though there are lists of known servers you could run code on
2024-03-15 22:34:19	alexlehm	a lot use gemini.domain like www.domain, but its not really a convention, a lot just use their domain directly
2024-03-15 22:34:31	alexlehm	or they have a smart astronomy reference of some kind
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2024-03-15 22:45:59	ashley	FoolishOwl: I've seen both gem. and gemini., but they are far from standard. everyone kinda does their own thing
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2024-03-15 22:51:47	thrig	gemini://thrig.me/tmp/gemhostbreakdown.txt
2024-03-15 22:52:56	thrig	... or about 5% of hosts use a gemini prefix, and then there's a very long tail
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2024-03-15 23:06:31	FoolishOwl	Thanks. That's a more thorough answer than I expected.
2024-03-15 23:12:16	epoch	only one uses ♊️ afaik
2024-03-15 23:12:30	epoch	xn--o5h.
2024-03-15 23:13:22	epoch	you'd think the file extensions that get used would also show up as subdomains
2024-03-15 23:13:27	epoch	gmi
2024-03-15 23:14:12	epoch	not sure how common that file extension actully is though
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2024-03-15 23:21:14	alexlehm	a lot of gemini hosting uses subdomains for the username, so that probably accounts for most of the count==1 entries
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2024-03-16 10:14:19	alexlehm	i think the gemini domain list uses utf8 chars
2024-03-16 10:17:07	alexlehm	ok, it uses both, e.g. there is 🦐.räk.se
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2024-03-17 20:40:56	raek	yo
2024-03-17 20:41:48	raek	huh, funny that my emoji domain name happened to be mentioned when I looked here after a long time away, alexlehm!
2024-03-17 20:42:55	raek	maybe I should continue writing about my radio antenna on my {web,gem}log tonight!
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2024-03-20 19:40:54	raek	I'm connecting to this IRC server from 2a01:7e01:e001:3bb::ba55:c13f (note last part). vanity IPv6 addresses for the win!
2024-03-20 19:41:11	konomo	ahaha!
2024-03-20 19:41:43	raek	there aren't that many good words that can be written with hex characters
2024-03-20 19:42:11	konomo	ba55 c13f is new, i only knew about deadbeef
2024-03-20 19:45:02	raek	i grepped through /usr/share/dict/words with some regex to find new original words
2024-03-20 19:45:55	raek	no wait, I didn't. Ned Batchelder from the Python community did it and I saw it on his blog: https://nedbatchelder.com/text/hexwords.html
2024-03-20 19:47:47	raek	I've grepped though that files for similar things, though
2024-03-20 19:51:23	thrig	cafe, feed, etc
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2024-03-20 20:34:50	scartalune	Any working Client for iOS?
2024-03-20 20:37:28	thrig	https://github.com/kr1sp1n/awesome-gemini
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2024-03-20 22:44:30	jaix	cold tea (as a hex-spellable play on hot coffee)
2024-03-20 22:45:34	jaix	toes
2024-03-20 22:46:05	jaix	java uses something like cafebabe as the magic bytes at the front of class files
2024-03-20 22:47:35	thrig	00000000  ca fe ba be 00 00 00 3d  00 1d 0a 00 02 00 03 07  |.......=........|
2024-03-20 22:49:42	jaix	hah nice
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2024-03-20 23:13:14	epoch	decaf c0ffee
2024-03-20 23:13:40	epoch	the 6 letter ones are good for web colors
2024-03-20 23:14:41	thrig	I really should read more in that java algos book, but I'm too busy trying to fix this other algo
2024-03-20 23:18:17	jaix	fun little quiz question
2024-03-20 23:19:07	jaix	1abba775, it's p*ss in a can
2024-03-20 23:20:40	thrig	oh no wonder this code failed horribly during 7drl, it's totes buggy
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2024-03-20 23:31:27	yeti	os-9/68k (at least the atari-st variant) used deadc0de to fill RAM.
2024-03-20 23:37:46	★	jaix gets nostalgic for the atari st
2024-03-20 23:38:07	jaix	if only a little bit
2024-03-20 23:40:32	thrig	there's a bunch of 8-bit remakes
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2024-03-22 19:05:03	flow	hey all o/
2024-03-22 19:05:10	flow	it's the frickin' weekend - woop
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2024-03-23 00:52:41	ruenoak	HI all just wondering, is there any statistics on how many capsules are out there in gemspace since it's beginnings, has it grown has it shrunk, stayed the same?
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2024-03-23 00:57:49	thrig	gemini://geminispace.info/statistics/historical/overall
2024-03-23 01:00:20	ruenoak	fantastic! thanks thrig 
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2024-03-23 02:19:25	Winco	Oh neat. Just going to have to save that one.
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2024-03-25 19:19:03	mhj	What if, and just hear me out, a Gemini browser, server and markdown text fork were all written in Common Lisp? I'm not saying Gemini should have text documents that could also be interpreted as programs, because the security for that would be a nightmare, but hmmm
2024-03-25 19:33:00	@tomasino	an anti-gemini that exclusively serves applications and not static docs
2024-03-25 19:33:27	demure	so, like, an ftp? :p
2024-03-25 19:33:54	@tomasino	maybe it's just a browsable lisp interpreter?
2024-03-25 19:34:02	@tomasino	hyperlinking
2024-03-25 19:40:24	thrig	hypercard something something
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2024-03-25 19:59:02	enzuru	mhj:  i've been thinking of the intersection of Lisp and Gemini too but haven't come up with anything 
2024-03-25 19:59:53	enzuru	one idea was that... maybe it should be easier to spin up Lisp interpreters that you can connect to via SLY/SLIME/VLIME/etc
2024-03-25 20:00:25	enzuru	go to a gemini website, hit a button, here's your Lisp process running in a secure container
2024-03-25 20:00:35	enzuru	connnect to via your local tooling and you are off to the races
2024-03-25 20:00:54	enzuru	as opposed to the Heroku route of git -> GitHub -> CI/CD -> Heroku
2024-03-25 20:03:20	mhj	That sounds cool!
2024-03-25 20:04:52	thrig	local tooling? /me runs `make test` for a new lisp system
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2024-03-25 21:51:29	wgreenhouse	gemini for queueing batch execution does seem like a cool area
2024-03-25 21:52:15	wgreenhouse	and a CL Gemini server with cgi doesn't seem farfetched
2024-03-25 21:52:42	thrig	and I type up all the lisp code in vi
2024-03-25 21:59:50	wgreenhouse	tomasino: if a name is ever needed for an "antigemini" that runs containers, I'd propose https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaz
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2024-03-26 18:28:41	scartalune	Question: is it possible to publish a toc on left side the Main Text?
2024-03-26 18:30:45	thrig	gemtext is text, so you could have multiple columns, probably in a plaintext block (maybe you instead wanted to make a PDF or something?)
2024-03-26 18:32:54	lupine	some browsers will render one anyway
2024-03-26 18:33:33	thrig	a client could do whatever and add columns or tabs or panes or whatnot
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2024-03-26 18:43:44	scartalune	My english is Not sooooo good, so I explain my idea: what if gmi file has topics or Headlines or chapters Like „#“ and „##“ in markdown. And these were agregated to an Automatik toc on One side…
2024-03-26 18:44:18	thrig	no such thing exists. it is unlikely to begin to exist
2024-03-26 18:45:35	lupine	if you want something more complex than gemtext, just serve it directly
2024-03-26 18:53:25	scartalune	Just demotivate me…
2024-03-26 18:53:31	op	scartalune: that's not something that needs to be done in the document itself IMHO, but rather in a viewer (in this case, an editor or a browser)
2024-03-26 18:53:33	lupine	(But really, Lagrange does exactly what you're asking for with gemtext)
2024-03-26 18:54:46	scartalune	Well die not find this function in lagrange
2024-03-26 18:55:23	lupine	It's called "outline"
2024-03-26 18:55:35	scartalune	But do you think its a useful idea at all?
2024-03-26 18:55:55	scartalune	Found it
2024-03-26 18:56:02	lupine	https://files.mutual.email/s/SLcP4pGA3nwLe2D/preview
2024-03-26 18:56:05	lupine	Here it is on mobile
2024-03-26 18:56:15	lupine	It's fine, I don't use it much
2024-03-26 18:57:47	scartalune	So the dev of lagrange already did this and I was to stupid to find it… thank you
2024-03-26 19:03:48	alexlehm	I believe kristall does that as well
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2024-03-26 19:06:46	alexlehm	no, that was another browser
2024-03-26 19:07:56	alexlehm	it was geminaut https://www.marmaladefoo.com/pages/geminaut
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2024-03-26 21:32:35	konomo	alexlehm: Kristall has "document outline" function for me, Ctrl+M
2024-03-26 21:58:35	alexlehm	oh yes, didn't notice that
2024-03-26 21:58:56	wgreenhouse	elpher does it and it's nice
2024-03-26 21:59:15	lupine	it's a very obvious thing to do with the gemtext format
2024-03-26 21:59:37	lupine	but in practice most documents are relatively short and it doesn't help with navigation as a result
2024-03-26 22:00:04	lupine	maybe if someone started publishing novels as single-page .gmi files :D
2024-03-26 22:04:57	epoch	so uh
2024-03-26 22:05:04	epoch	I might have something like that
2024-03-26 22:05:18	epoch	if I don't, I have something to make like that.
2024-03-26 22:23:54	thrig	for "The Count of Monte Cristo" I read it using less(1) and hit control+g now and then to record where I was. no particular need for section navigation
2024-03-26 22:31:12	mhj	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIdHBDSQHyw  Gemtext over LoRa when lol
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2024-03-27 06:11:19	cyberwolf	https://github.com/mbrubeck/agate/releases/tag/v3.3.6
2024-03-27 06:25:23	ruenoak	New version, excellent!
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2024-03-27 12:11:08	@tomasino	woo, updates
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2024-03-27 14:37:53	yeti	apropos updates ... dillo is back from its ashes.  https://dillo-browser.github.io/  and  quite alive  https://yeti.tilde.institute/dillo/
2024-03-27 14:39:58	@tomasino	wonderful x2!
2024-03-27 14:40:28	@tomasino	oh i love the ipfs plugin
2024-03-27 14:40:57	yeti	I haven't tried that one
2024-03-27 14:42:02	yeti	just started playing with modifying plugins few hours ago and the nex plugin already gives 1st signs of life
2024-03-27 14:43:39	yeti	no posting yet...  read only.  maybe those plugins can be used for a local proxy (so for all browsers) later.  synergies...
2024-03-27 14:44:17	yeti	we'll see how long that idea stays nice
2024-03-27 14:44:21	@tomasino	lets see, dillo is in my package manager (apt). lets see if it's up to date and how plugins are managed
2024-03-27 14:44:43	yeti	it is stuck in all distributions for a long time
2024-03-27 14:44:54	yeti	a new release should come soonish.
2024-03-27 14:45:05	@tomasino	3.0.5 is the latest release on github and in the distro, so i'll count that as good for now
2024-03-27 14:45:20	yeti	the code from their repo builds fine for e.g. living in /opt
2024-03-27 14:45:40	yeti	Dillo version 3.1-dev
2024-03-27 14:46:14	yeti	the old website may be a trap now
2024-03-27 14:47:49	alexlehm	i currently do not have a linux host to run GUI applications, so i can probably not test it, but it looks interesting
2024-03-27 14:52:58	@tomasino	hmm, okay, it doesn't seem to connect to gopher out of the box from the apt repo
2024-03-27 14:54:10	yeti	the plugins are missing.  they are on github side by side to the browser's sources
2024-03-27 14:55:27	yeti	the plugins install into ~/.dillo
2024-03-27 14:56:59	@tomasino	dpidc: not found
2024-03-27 14:57:03	@tomasino	that looks important
2024-03-27 14:57:28	@tomasino	that's the dillo plugin controller, right?
2024-03-27 14:57:56	yeti	/opt/dillo/bin/dpidc
2024-03-27 14:58:13	yeti	in my local install... it is in my path
2024-03-27 14:58:30	yeti	maybe rehash?
2024-03-27 14:58:39	yeti	can be needed afte rpackage installs
2024-03-27 14:59:01	@tomasino	hmm, yeah, not in my path from the apt install
2024-03-27 14:59:28	@tomasino	i'm gonna install from source instead
2024-03-27 14:59:29	yeti	hash -r # ?
2024-03-27 15:00:04	yeti	I have the dev branch in /opt and its bin dir in my path
2024-03-27 15:01:06	@tomasino	nopes
2024-03-27 15:04:04	@tomasino	works from source
2024-03-27 15:05:14	@tomasino	and  gopher and gemini plugins work great!
2024-03-27 15:09:44	yeti	spartan needs an external markdown converter.  I patched it to use pandoc instead.  IIRC it should be discount
2024-03-27 15:10:12	@tomasino	man loads some gibberish too
2024-03-27 15:10:24	@tomasino	ipfs gives blanks. maybe i need my own ipfs service running
2024-03-27 15:10:44	@tomasino	ahh, yes. says so in readme
2024-03-27 15:11:08	yeti	the dependencies should be listed...  maybe issue-worthy
2024-03-27 15:11:58	yeti	I'm not the repo owner.  I've 20 left thumbs when it comes to GUI stuff...  so I definitely have an alibi...  ok?
2024-03-27 15:14:30	@tomasino	if i install the ipfs desktop browser and it's open, ipfs works in dillo
2024-03-27 15:16:28	@tomasino	not if closed. but it defaults to running in the systray
2024-03-27 15:16:37	@tomasino	fun to play for a bit. back to work!
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2024-03-27 16:55:16	epoch	I wrote a dillo plugin like.. 10 years ago? never did a release of it or anything. I think it was a gopher plugin..
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2024-03-27 19:45:51	★	hisacro waves
2024-03-27 19:46:30	★	hisacro wonders why gemini infected with web replica ads
2024-03-27 19:46:53	hisacro	gemini search was really initially
2024-03-27 19:47:02	hisacro	finding real people's blog 
2024-03-27 19:47:22	hisacro	but nowadays all the searches are crawling up http pages 
2024-03-27 19:47:28	hisacro	mirrored on gemini
2024-03-27 19:47:37	@tomasino	which search?
2024-03-27 19:48:14	hisacro	geminipace.info/search?
2024-03-27 19:48:18	hisacro	^ this one
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2024-03-27 19:49:01	hisacro	sample is this one
2024-03-27 19:49:06	hisacro	gemini://geminispace.info/search?fountain%20pen
2024-03-27 19:49:21	hisacro	is there really 779 articles?
2024-03-27 19:49:49	hisacro	oh wait 7984 results
2024-03-27 19:49:55	hisacro	that must be a joke right
2024-03-27 19:50:47	hisacro	maybe I'm using a wrong tool to search
2024-03-27 19:51:08	hisacro	but how everyone is finding real people's blog just for gemini or gopher
2024-03-27 19:51:15	hisacro	instead of mirroring their html content
2024-03-27 19:53:27	hisacro	I don't want to sound negative but I yearn for that organic articles stories to read
2024-03-27 19:54:02	@tomasino	i don't use the search a lot for discovery. aggregators tend to lead me to more content
2024-03-27 19:54:16	yeti	maybe gnv adds full text search one day
2024-03-27 19:54:36	hisacro	I don't want full text search
2024-03-27 19:54:48	hisacro	just a list of cyberspace people content
2024-03-27 19:54:58	hisacro	not tons of http mirrors
2024-03-27 19:55:15	hisacro	> aggregators tend to lead me to more content
2024-03-27 19:55:23	hisacro	what are aggregator?
2024-03-27 19:55:51	yeti	https://gopher.emacs.ch/
2024-03-27 19:57:21	hisacro	oh nice 
2024-03-27 19:57:28	hisacro	will look into it yeti
2024-03-27 19:58:25	yeti	louis was faster...  fulltext search seems added.  I thought it were still only a search over the URLs
2024-03-27 19:59:25	yeti	oh oooooh
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2024-03-27 20:50:16	★	hisacro rewaves
2024-03-27 20:54:17	krozruch	Hi all... falling asleep but new here.. seeing what's happening..
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2024-03-27 21:47:47	epoch	only gemini aggregator I ever remember is antenna
2024-03-27 21:47:49	epoch	gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/
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2024-03-28 02:39:54	hisacro	epoch: wow!
2024-03-28 02:40:09	hisacro	what I need, thanks :)
2024-03-28 02:40:15	epoch	o7
2024-03-28 02:40:33	hisacro	I'm adding my feed too
2024-03-28 02:41:02	epoch	antenna won't auto-redownload
2024-03-28 02:41:11	epoch	so you'll have to tell antenna when you have a new post in your feed
2024-03-28 02:43:01	epoch	if you put a link to the submit page with your server filled in, any random bot that requrests the page will resubmit your feed though XD
2024-03-28 02:43:09	epoch	requests*
2024-03-28 02:46:11	hisacro	> antenna won't auto-redownload
2024-03-28 02:46:22	hisacro	I take it as feature haha
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2024-03-28 14:51:27	ℹ 	Topic for #gemini is "Discussion of the gemini protocol | gemini://geminiprotocol.net/ | gemini://geminiprotocol.net/news/ | gemini://geminiquickst.art | This channel is publicly logged in gemspace"
2024-03-28 14:51:27	ℹ 	Topic set by tomasino (~tomasino@cosmic.voyage) on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:31:37
2024-03-28 14:51:27	ℹ 	Channel #gemini: 199 nicks (2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 197 normals)
2024-03-28 14:51:27	ℹ 	Notice(cosmic.tilde.chat): Replaying up to 50 lines of pre-join history from the last 1d
2024-03-28 14:51:27	tomasino	fun to play for a bit. back to work!
2024-03-28 14:51:27	epoch	I wrote a dillo plugin like.. 10 years ago? never did a release of it or anything. I think it was a gopher plugin..
2024-03-28 14:51:27	★	hisacro waves
2024-03-28 14:51:27	★	hisacro wonders why gemini infected with web replica ads
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	gemini search was really initially
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	finding real people's blog 
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	but nowadays all the searches are crawling up http pages 
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	mirrored on gemini
2024-03-28 14:51:27	tomasino	which search?
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	geminipace.info/search?
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	^ this one
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	sample is this one
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	gemini://geminispace.info/search?fountain%20pen
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	is there really 779 articles?
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	oh wait 7984 results
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	that must be a joke right
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	maybe I'm using a wrong tool to search
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	but how everyone is finding real people's blog just for gemini or gopher
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	instead of mirroring their html content
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	I don't want to sound negative but I yearn for that organic articles stories to read
2024-03-28 14:51:27	tomasino	i don't use the search a lot for discovery. aggregators tend to lead me to more content
2024-03-28 14:51:27	yeti	maybe gnv adds full text search one day
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	I don't want full text search
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	just a list of cyberspace people content
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	not tons of http mirrors
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	> aggregators tend to lead me to more content
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	what are aggregator?
2024-03-28 14:51:27	yeti	https://gopher.emacs.ch/
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	oh nice 
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	will look into it yeti
2024-03-28 14:51:27	yeti	louis was faster...  fulltext search seems added.  I thought it were still only a search over the URLs
2024-03-28 14:51:27	yeti	oh oooooh
2024-03-28 14:51:27	★	hisacro looking up
2024-03-28 14:51:27	★	krozruch waves
2024-03-28 14:51:27	★	hisacro rewaves
2024-03-28 14:51:27	krozruch	Hi all... falling asleep but new here.. seeing what's happening..
2024-03-28 14:51:27	epoch	only gemini aggregator I ever remember is antenna
2024-03-28 14:51:27	epoch	gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	epoch: wow!
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	what I need, thanks :)
2024-03-28 14:51:27	epoch	o7
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	I'm adding my feed too
2024-03-28 14:51:27	epoch	antenna won't auto-redownload
2024-03-28 14:51:27	epoch	so you'll have to tell antenna when you have a new post in your feed
2024-03-28 14:51:27	epoch	if you put a link to the submit page with your server filled in, any random bot that requrests the page will resubmit your feed though XD
2024-03-28 14:51:27	epoch	requests*
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	> antenna won't auto-redownload
2024-03-28 14:51:27	hisacro	I take it as feature haha
2024-03-28 14:51:27	cyberwolf	gemini and yggdrasil
2024-03-28 14:51:27	epoch	what about it?
2024-03-28 14:51:27	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+o tomasino] by ChanServ
2024-03-28 14:51:43	ℹ 	Channel created on Sat, 31 Aug 2019 22:41:57
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2024-03-28 14:56:25	ℹ 	Topic for #gemini is "Discussion of the gemini protocol | gemini://geminiprotocol.net/ | gemini://geminiprotocol.net/news/ | gemini://geminiquickst.art | This channel is publicly logged in gemspace"
2024-03-28 14:56:25	ℹ 	Topic set by tomasino (~tomasino@cosmic.voyage) on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:31:37
2024-03-28 14:56:25	ℹ 	Channel #gemini: 198 nicks (0 +Y, 1 owner, 0 admins, 1 op, 0 halfops, 0 voiced, 196 regular)
2024-03-28 14:56:25	ℹ 	Notice(cosmic.tilde.chat) -> #gemini: Replaying up to 50 lines of pre-join history from the last 1d
2024-03-28 14:56:25	tomasino	fun to play for a bit. back to work!
2024-03-28 14:56:25	epoch	I wrote a dillo plugin like.. 10 years ago? never did a release of it or anything. I think it was a gopher plugin..
2024-03-28 14:56:25	★	hisacro waves
2024-03-28 14:56:25	★	hisacro wonders why gemini infected with web replica ads
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	gemini search was really initially
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	finding real people's blog 
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	but nowadays all the searches are crawling up http pages 
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	mirrored on gemini
2024-03-28 14:56:25	tomasino	which search?
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	geminipace.info/search?
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	^ this one
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	sample is this one
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	gemini://geminispace.info/search?fountain%20pen
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	is there really 779 articles?
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	oh wait 7984 results
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	that must be a joke right
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	maybe I'm using a wrong tool to search
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	but how everyone is finding real people's blog just for gemini or gopher
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	instead of mirroring their html content
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	I don't want to sound negative but I yearn for that organic articles stories to read
2024-03-28 14:56:25	tomasino	i don't use the search a lot for discovery. aggregators tend to lead me to more content
2024-03-28 14:56:25	yeti	maybe gnv adds full text search one day
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	I don't want full text search
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	just a list of cyberspace people content
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	not tons of http mirrors
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	> aggregators tend to lead me to more content
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	what are aggregator?
2024-03-28 14:56:25	yeti	https://gopher.emacs.ch/
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	oh nice 
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	will look into it yeti
2024-03-28 14:56:25	yeti	louis was faster...  fulltext search seems added.  I thought it were still only a search over the URLs
2024-03-28 14:56:25	yeti	oh oooooh
2024-03-28 14:56:25	★	hisacro looking up
2024-03-28 14:56:25	★	krozruch waves
2024-03-28 14:56:25	★	hisacro rewaves
2024-03-28 14:56:25	krozruch	Hi all... falling asleep but new here.. seeing what's happening..
2024-03-28 14:56:25	epoch	only gemini aggregator I ever remember is antenna
2024-03-28 14:56:25	epoch	gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	epoch: wow!
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	what I need, thanks :)
2024-03-28 14:56:25	epoch	o7
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	I'm adding my feed too
2024-03-28 14:56:25	epoch	antenna won't auto-redownload
2024-03-28 14:56:25	epoch	so you'll have to tell antenna when you have a new post in your feed
2024-03-28 14:56:25	epoch	if you put a link to the submit page with your server filled in, any random bot that requrests the page will resubmit your feed though XD
2024-03-28 14:56:25	epoch	requests*
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	> antenna won't auto-redownload
2024-03-28 14:56:25	hisacro	I take it as feature haha
2024-03-28 14:56:25	cyberwolf	gemini and yggdrasil
2024-03-28 14:56:25	epoch	what about it?
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2024-03-31 15:47:39	@tomasino	playing games
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2024-03-31 17:49:02	watzefak	Hi there again! Question: I've got running a capsule on a vps. on my homelab i have a uptime kuma instance. is there a trick that I can get uptime kuma to watch over the capsule?
2024-03-31 17:49:54	thrig	what's an uptime kuma instance, and what would watch over mean
2024-03-31 17:54:41	watzefak	https://uptime.baerenbude.org/status/uptime this
2024-03-31 17:56:50	thrig	do you have a link that is not a javascript application? https://thrig.me/tmp/ehhhhh.png
2024-03-31 18:02:38	watzefak	I don't. sorry.
2024-03-31 18:02:42	watzefak	never mind
2024-03-31 18:03:03	watzefak	its just a docker container which can perform uptime checks
2024-03-31 18:03:15	watzefak	and notice me, if something goes wrong
2024-03-31 18:03:47	thrig	most any monitoring system can do that (Nagios, or more recent stuff)
2024-03-31 18:04:28	thrig	you may need to write a plugin that does a gemini request and checks that a page returns some string in some reasonable amount of time, etc
2024-03-31 18:14:46	watzefak	thx thrig I'll try later. must eat now before .... nah the pug dog is staring at my dinner ;-)
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2024-04-01 08:03:47	koalillo	hmmm, yesterday in Spanish fediverse someone asked about iPhone Gemini clients. we only managed to find Lagrange testflight... there's nothing else, right?
2024-04-01 08:11:21	koalillo	(interestingly, I'm finding no Firefox add-on for Android either. With the EU things, it might be soon possible to run Firefox on iPhones...)
2024-04-01 08:41:42	yeti	proxies?
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2024-04-01 10:07:09	koalillo	yeah, that's what I suggested
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2024-04-01 12:02:37	alexlehm	there is an iphone client called Deedum
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2024-04-01 12:09:06	lupine	it's in f-droid as well, but isn't very good ime
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2024-04-01 13:43:33	alexlehm	i used it on android a while ago before i tried lagrange
2024-04-01 13:46:25	koalillo	ah, I used that one too in my early Gemini days. it's OK. thanks! I'll pass it on
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2024-04-01 17:33:08	kensanata	Regarding Gemini iPhone clients: I still have on installed called Elaho.
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2024-04-01 19:59:21	koalillo	yeah, I've seen references of it- I think Apple nuked it (it's Firefox, after all?)
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2024-04-02 16:13:15	satchlj	apple sucks
2024-04-02 16:13:35	satchlj	hot take i know
2024-04-02 16:14:03	satchlj	but i hate that they would remove Elaho which can't even browse the web just because it's a firefox fork
2024-04-02 16:16:44	thrig	keeping people off a generally anti-corporate protocol makes sense for a corporation?
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2024-04-02 17:49:51	koalillo	I suspect they didn't review it deeply. Hopefully the DMA will fix these things... (at least in the EU)
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2024-04-02 20:01:13	FoolishOwl	I've had trouble getting molly-brown working, but agate seems to work fine. I'd just be using it for a single user, so are there important features I'd be missing?
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2024-04-04 08:16:23	ew0k	uh. I just lost contact with #meta specifically
2024-04-04 08:17:15	ew0k	did that happen to anyone else+
2024-04-04 08:17:17	ew0k	?
2024-04-04 08:17:56	ew0k	rejoined now
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2024-04-04 08:45:07	alexlehm	ew0k: there is a channel kick function in the bot
2024-04-04 08:45:20	ew0k	I noticed :)
2024-04-04 08:46:17	alexlehm	the duck thing is enforced
2024-04-04 08:46:18	alexlehm	:)
2024-04-04 09:23:07	yeti	ew0k: maybe a late effect of yesterday's netsplit?  lost auth, so access to #meta?
2024-04-04 09:29:30	ew0k	yeti: nah I was kicked because I tried to catch a duck that didn't exist :D Didn't know tildebot has started kicking people for that
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2024-04-04 10:15:46	yeti	I once tried to get round numbers for missed ducks...  like 50000 seconds or such.  back then noone complained but maybe later others have played that inverted duck hunt and it got annoying?
2024-04-04 10:16:34	yeti	I left #meta because of the bad SNR (relative to what I'd call interesting)
2024-04-04 10:17:38	yeti	I only landed in there because at first I thought that'd be the tildeverse info channel for planned downtime and similar...  hit shappens.
2024-04-04 10:25:29	yeti	I vote for a modified ducks game: let the value increase over time so that catching later gives more points.  catching early wouldn't pay back well and the average reward delay would turn into a psychological study...  o;-)
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2024-04-05 16:21:26	jcowan	yeti: How do you hunt an inverted duck?
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2024-04-05 17:27:13	yeti	ther were messages about how many seconds one missed a duck and I tried to hit "round" numbers like 50000(seconds)
2024-04-05 17:27:32	yeti	that was what I called a hit
2024-04-05 17:29:30	yeti	it as a bit interwoven in the original game because a new duck showing up before deliberately missing an old one would kill my fun
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2024-04-07 21:41:09	ℹ 	Topic set by tomasino (~tomasino@cosmic.voyage) on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:31:37
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2024-04-08 19:40:35	ℹ 	Topic for #gemini is "Discussion of the gemini protocol | gemini://geminiprotocol.net/ | gemini://geminiprotocol.net/news/ | gemini://geminiquickst.art | This channel is publicly logged in gemspace"
2024-04-08 19:40:35	ℹ 	Topic set by tomasino (~tomasino@cosmic.voyage) on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:31:37
2024-04-08 19:40:35	ℹ 	Channel #gemini: 197 nicks (0 +Y, 1 owner, 0 admins, 1 op, 0 halfops, 0 voiced, 195 regular)
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2024-04-10 08:54:34	ew0k	I have a dumb idea
2024-04-10 08:54:46	ew0k	So dumb I may actually have to do it
2024-04-10 08:54:59	zagura	what is it?
2024-04-10 08:55:14	ew0k	a smolnet browser in zenity: https://help.gnome.org/users/zenity/stable/
2024-04-10 08:56:19	ew0k	I guess the browser itself could be written in whatever, but zenity for GUI
2024-04-10 08:56:28	zagura	ooo that sounds rly weird xd
2024-04-10 08:56:59	zagura	so like ud see documents in the dialog, and the links would be shown as the buttons?
2024-04-10 08:57:29	zagura	Is zenity Gnomes native dialogs?
2024-04-10 08:58:23	ew0k	zenity is at least one way of making native dialogs in gnome
2024-04-10 08:58:45	ew0k	I'm thinking that links could be shown as a list
2024-04-10 08:59:27	ew0k	the UX would be horrible, though, because dialogs *close* before they can collect values 😂
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2024-04-10 08:59:56	zagura	xd
2024-04-10 09:00:09	zagura	im a little confused about the gemtext spec, are headings required to have a space after the #s or is it optional? The WIP formal spec disagrees with the Quick introduction to gemtext markup (one says they're mandatory and the other that they're optional)
2024-04-10 09:00:27	zagura	(im making a mini browser with gemini support)
2024-04-10 09:00:40	zagura	(and gopher, and hopefully more stuff)
2024-04-10 09:01:11	ew0k	They're optional
2024-04-10 09:01:33	zagura	oki, thanks
2024-04-10 09:01:36	op	only after the '*' (list item) there's a mandatory space
2024-04-10 09:04:37	zagura	i see.., nice
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2024-04-10 12:06:49	zagura	Here's how my gemini + gopher browser is going https://i.imgur.com/tsTDnue.png
2024-04-10 12:07:21	zagura	...
2024-04-10 12:07:53	zagura	i guess my client uploaded the image to imgur, i thought i could send images, sorry
2024-04-10 12:08:22	zagura	and its not even a gif anymore xd
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2024-04-10 13:41:18	koalillo	well, linking an image is *the* way to post images to IRC, I think, so that's correct :-p
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2024-04-10 14:02:31	alexlehm	zagura: you can use a site like 0x0.st
2024-04-10 14:03:06	zagura	oo i completely forgot about the null pointer site
2024-04-10 14:03:09	zagura	thanks
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2024-04-10 14:32:47	alexlehm	there are a few "related" to tilde sites if you prefer, e.g. envs.sh or 0.vern.cc
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2024-04-10 21:35:27	FoolishOwl	I've been trying to use a Gemini client at a workplace where we've got a proxy for HTTP and SOCKS5. I've not been able to get through. I've tried a few things, like tsocks and proxychains. Any suggestions?
2024-04-10 21:37:58	demure	use your phone and bypass the company internet
2024-04-10 21:38:16	demure	ssh to a server you have access to, and view gemini from there.
2024-04-10 21:42:18	FoolishOwl	Yeah, those are things I was already doing. I thought I might be missing something.
2024-04-10 21:42:22	lupine	socks5 *should* work
2024-04-10 21:42:30	lupine	sni?
2024-04-10 21:43:32	FoolishOwl	What's sni mean?
2024-04-10 21:46:15	zagura	Here's a propper progress gif https://0x0.st/X--C.gif
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2024-04-10 22:25:28	epoch	SNI is a feature of TLS1.3 where before the cert is sent, the client sends the hostname it is looking for, so the server can send the right cert back.
2024-04-10 22:26:03	epoch	some gemini servers may be unhappy if SNI isn't sent, or is sent for the wrong hostname
2024-04-10 22:32:28	FoolishOwl	That probably explains it.
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2024-04-11 07:17:59	alexlehm	FoolishOwl: there are a few gemini clients that support SOCKS5 or HTTP Proxy, I tried that when trying TOR for Gemini
2024-04-11 07:18:46	alexlehm	https://gemini.lehmann.cx/using_socks.gmi
2024-04-11 07:20:42	alexlehm	epoch: SNI is in TLS since TLS1 as an optional feature and mandatory since TLS1.3
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2024-04-11 07:24:55	alexlehm	when using gemini via SOCKS5 should not affect the hostname accessed since its a proxy only but maybe some implementations get that wrong
2024-04-11 07:26:02	epoch	alexlehm: alright. good to know.
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2024-04-11 08:34:19	alexlehm	i should promote this link though: gemini://gemini.lehmann.cx/using_socks.gmi
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2024-04-13 14:32:26	rynn	Does anyone know where the example Molly Brown  molly.conf is when installed via the Debian apt package?
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2024-04-13 14:43:34	jcowan	rynn: dpkg-query -L <package-name> | grep <filename> is your friend
2024-04-13 14:45:46	rynn	Ahh, that would explain why I couldn't find it, it doesn't exist in the package
2024-04-13 14:45:52	rynn	Well, not under that name at least.
2024-04-13 14:46:05	rynn	Thanks jcowan
2024-04-13 14:46:21	rynn	Been a while since I've used a Debian/apt system.
2024-04-13 14:54:43	rynn	Oh, son of a...there's an example.conf sitting in base directory of the project source.
2024-04-13 14:54:50	rynn	I think I need more coffee -_-
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2024-04-16 04:19:15	wolfinthewoods	Hey there tomasino! I sent you an email about Cosmic Voyage if it's not too full to join ;)
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2024-04-16 10:46:20	ew0k	does anyone know of a gemtext syntax highlighting plugin for neovim? I know about sloum's vim plugin (https://tildegit.org/sloum/gemini-vim-syntax)
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2024-04-16 11:28:57	dece	ew0k: i've been using pirmd/gemini.vim but i have no idea what's best, for me it's been working just fine
2024-04-16 11:29:17	ew0k	dece: where do I find that ?
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2024-04-16 11:29:48	dece	(just don't forget to create the appropriate ftplugin file with textwidth set to 0, to avoid hard line wraps)
2024-04-16 11:30:02	dece	github! sorry
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2024-04-16 14:13:25	hedy[l]	ew0k: I use https://git.sr.ht/~torresjrjr/gemini.vim
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2024-04-16 14:55:46	ew0k	I’ll have a look at both of those 🙂
2024-04-16 14:55:49	ew0k	Ty
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2024-04-16 22:07:34	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+qo Saint_Tuesday Saint_Tuesday] by aussie.tilde.chat
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2024-04-16 22:28:13	istvan	I had posted this on skyjake's BBS the other day but forgot about gemini chat. Wrote some PD tools to convert graphics to various unicode text art, and also convert text to unicode pixel art rendered in video game thoughts. Thought they may be useful for people who are decorating their capsules. gemini://brainsocks.xyz/projects/textart/ and gemini://brainsocks.xyz/projects/diglet/
2024-04-16 22:28:33	istvan	Source code is public domain at gemini://git.brainsocks.xyz/textart/master
2024-04-16 22:28:55	istvan	Hope it can be useful to other capsule maintainers
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2024-04-17 00:16:44	istvan	thrig: Please refresh. Very sorry about that. Somehow the clone URL was wrong.
2024-04-17 00:17:23	istvan	I hadn't noticed it before since it was only one file, hadn't thought to clone the whole thing
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2024-04-18 21:13:49	flow	amfora
2024-04-18 21:13:56	flow	umm... oops
2024-04-18 21:13:58	flow	:p
2024-04-18 21:21:49	ℹ 	vroomfondel is now known as yeti
2024-04-18 21:35:06	mhj8	Heylo Geminauts, what's new?
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2024-04-18 23:25:42	apdo	I made a little lua script that generates a page of recently updated gemini pages on ~team gemini://tilde.team/~apdo/recently-updated.gmi
2024-04-18 23:26:47	apdo	I'm going to prettify the output a bit, and I think I'm going to make it show pages updated 1<x<7 days ago, to cut out the pages that update daily
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2024-04-19 02:58:04	@tomasino	lovely, apdo!
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2024-04-20 06:15:24	cyberwolf	США выведут своих военных из Нигера после появления там россиян
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2024-04-20 07:58:38	ew0k	Ah! >
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2024-04-20 20:48:11	_rubik	Does anyone here use Emacs/Org to publish gem files?
2024-04-20 20:48:37	_rubik	I've been playing around with ox-gemini. It's fine, but I'd love your insights
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2024-04-22 01:01:56	Guest4912	does anyone have a recommendation for a gemini client that's Multiplatform, but also displays images *inline* ?
2024-04-22 01:04:18	thrig	Lagrange comes to mind
2024-04-22 01:13:07	NotSophie	Lagrange will happily display them inline!
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2024-04-22 01:28:38	Guest4912	actually
2024-04-22 01:28:49	Guest4912	this is going to annoy y'all maybe, but I'd probably prefer it
2024-04-22 01:29:04	Guest4912	is there a self-hosted Gemini + gopher proxy solution?
2024-04-22 01:29:47	Guest4912	I'd prefer to access these protocols via a web browser, but without the concerns of relying on something like floodgap, which was annoyingly showing 'high load DOS attack" or something and refusing to load pages
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2024-04-22 01:43:18	yeti	can e.g. FF's proxy conf redirect other schemes than http(s): to specific proxies?
2024-04-22 01:50:17	Guest4912	?
2024-04-22 01:50:23	Guest4912	I mean like...http proxie
2024-04-22 01:50:24	Guest4912	I mean like...http proxies
2024-04-22 01:50:36	Guest4912	like a self hosted floodgate for gopher
2024-04-22 01:50:38	Guest4912	for grmini
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2024-04-22 01:51:55	thrig	https://github.com/kr1sp1n/awesome-gemini mentions some proxy stuff
2024-04-22 01:57:31	yeti	I'd not call that proxy...  but ok...
2024-04-22 01:58:23	yeti	getting gopher: urls directly into the browser is more what I am thinking of
2024-04-22 01:59:27	yeti	no idea how much moern single protocol network file viewers are trying to block such ideas
2024-04-22 01:59:45	yeti	but then there is dillo as plan-b...
2024-04-22 02:12:06	yeti	ok... doesnt work... current FF doesnt allow to hook custom proxies dor other schemes: into proxy.pac so that idea is dead
2024-04-22 02:15:00	yeti	why not dillo?   https://yeti.tilde.institute/dillo-screenshots/
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2024-04-22 09:10:37	jupy	not used dillo in a while, great to see it supporting gemini
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2024-04-22 09:30:34	alexlehm	Guest4912: there is a gopher/gemini proxy run by the owner of station (martin ...), which you can host yourself
2024-04-22 09:31:20	alexlehm	https://portal.mozz.us/
2024-04-22 09:53:11	jupy	envs.net also has proxy
2024-04-22 09:54:02	jupy	I think... though I can't see how to go to external gem sites easily
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2024-04-22 10:55:15	yeti	https://portal.mozz.us/  is nice in my org text, as I can write the e.g. nex: url there and org can transform that on the fly to urls there.  so jill doe may look strprised when klicking on a gemoni/gopher/... url in my html exports and see them work.   \o/
2024-04-22 10:55:28	yeti	may that portal live long!
2024-04-22 11:42:20	@tomasino	dillo is great. we have https://gopher.tildeverse.org and https://gemini.tildeverse.org as well
2024-04-22 12:07:07	alexlehm	jupy: envs.net uses kineto which is a proxy for their own domain only
2024-04-22 12:08:00	alexlehm	ah, no that supports proxying external domain as well, it uses local urls for their own site and /x/domain for externals
2024-04-22 12:13:10	kensanata	Is there a Go library that turns Markdown into plain text wrapped somewhere between 65 and 72 suitable for serving as Markdown? I'm OK with loosing all external links…
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2024-04-22 14:19:17	alexlehm	i would use pandoc, however that is not in Go
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2024-04-22 16:01:17	kensanata	I've started using the https://github.com/gomarkdown/markdown parser infrastructure… 
2024-04-22 16:02:19	kensanata	I've already used it to add Markdown-to-Gemini support to Satellite.
2024-04-22 16:03:10	kensanata	At the moment all the difficult stuff is getting indentation and word wrapping right. Ugh.
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2024-05-02 10:17:25	Jabbo	Hello everyone. If I understand correctly, this channel is for discussing gemini the protocol. Can you point me to the approriate place where to discuss gemini (and the small internet) as a cultural phenomenon? After watching a talk by tomasino, I kinda fell down a rabbit hole :-)
2024-05-02 10:19:05	@tomasino	that's fine here as well
2024-05-02 10:19:07	jupy	I think here would be just fine! a lot of people post their capsules or cool things they found, 
2024-05-02 10:19:31	@tomasino	and hi!
2024-05-02 10:19:41	jupy	well there you go, confirmation from tomasino themself :P
2024-05-02 10:19:55	@tomasino	yep yep
2024-05-02 10:27:37	Jabbo	Thanks. I specifically wanted to ask about tilde/pubnix communities that have a lot of active users of the protocol. I seem to be going through user list after user list full of empty and hello world gempages. Or is there another way you'd recommend to explore gemspace?
2024-05-02 10:28:45	Jabbo	And btw, tomasino, nice talk at MCH2022. Shoved one guy down the rabbit hole, for sure :-)
2024-05-02 10:29:34	@tomasino	the aggregators and the bubble space are probably the biggest hot spots for activity.
2024-05-02 10:30:19	@tomasino	a lot of tildes get people to try it out but it's just another medium that gets lost to them. same with gopher.
2024-05-02 10:30:33	@tomasino	antenna is a good starting place
2024-05-02 10:30:51	@tomasino	that's an aggregator you can submit yourself to when you have new content
2024-05-02 10:31:02	yeti	there is #smolnet too
2024-05-02 10:31:08	@tomasino	so it's both active and actively watched
2024-05-02 10:31:12	@tomasino	oh yes
2024-05-02 10:31:44	@tomasino	gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/
2024-05-02 10:31:51	@tomasino	this is also very active
2024-05-02 10:32:26	yeti	comp.infosystems may be a place too...
2024-05-02 10:32:44	@tomasino	gemini://tilde.team/~tomasino/gemini-places/ here's my quick links page for Gemini
2024-05-02 10:33:28	Jabbo	Thanks! I found antenna a while ago but felt kinda lost there. Mostly because I didn't understand what it was. But now I'll give it another go.
2024-05-02 10:33:41	Jabbo	bbs.geminispace.org is the bubblespace you mentioned?
2024-05-02 10:33:57	@tomasino	once you get going and have a handful of people of interest the old "blogroll" style links to others is a growing trend 
2024-05-02 10:34:27	Jabbo	Like the webrings of the oldendays. Yeah, nice.
2024-05-02 10:34:37	@tomasino	yeah, that's made by the guy who made Lagrange. it's a threaded message board
2024-05-02 10:34:59	Jabbo	yeti: thanks, I'll check those out.
2024-05-02 10:35:48	Jabbo	tomasino: Thanks a lot! I feel much more oriented already.
2024-05-02 10:35:49	@tomasino	antenna can be a fire hose. but it's also a decent place to find new folks
2024-05-02 10:37:21	@tomasino	good luck! those tends to move more slowly than the web. some of the best content authors may only write a few times a year. Don't dismiss ones that look a tad less active
2024-05-02 10:38:14	Jabbo	I'll keep that in mind. Slow is good.
2024-05-02 10:51:01	jupy	can you make like an rss with your favourite gem bloggers?
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2024-05-02 11:41:26	@tomasino	you could, for sure
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2024-05-02 12:00:16	alexlehm	gemini supports regualar rss feeds with atom
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2024-05-02 12:50:29	mio	are tarballs the simplest way to distribute source code over gemini? or is there already some sort of git repo viewer like gitlist for https that generates gemini views to browser files individually?
2024-05-02 12:54:15	alexlehm	someone has done a complete git site as gemini, but I don't think you can clone directly
2024-05-02 12:55:07	mio	interesting, even being able to browse files would be awesome ^^
2024-05-02 12:57:01	mio	without direct cloning ... just considering options for making the source for little applet available without necessarily pointing back to a repo in the https world
2024-05-02 13:07:34	alexlehm	gemini://git.thebackupbox.net
2024-05-02 13:23:28	mio	excellent, thanks!
2024-05-02 13:47:01	alexlehm	this is the site from one of the users on here, epoch 
2024-05-02 13:50:57	mio	hello epoch, your git repository looks great!
2024-05-02 13:52:44	mio	was considering something along those lines, maybe a bit simpler, and let the cloning be handled by git
2024-05-02 13:57:55	mio	still have a few https links and thought it would be a better viewing experience to bring the more relevant items to gemini and reduce to number of https linkbacks
2024-05-02 13:58:54	mio	git repos being one of them
2024-05-02 14:02:55	mio	(bookmarked the site as inspiration, thanks)
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2024-05-05 14:45:44	yeti	yipyip.
2024-05-05 14:47:23	yeti	I celebrated the release candidate si much that this 1st official relese just feels like the 2nd one after the hibernating phase...
2024-05-05 14:48:04	wgreenhouse	maybe the thing they meant to point out was the existence of gemini and gopher plugins for these releases
2024-05-05 14:50:05	yeti	and spartan and many more..
2024-05-05 14:50:32	yeti	that's not new at all
2024-05-05 14:51:25	yeti	the plugins are so simple, that mutating the spartan plugin for nex was no big deal
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2024-05-05 17:44:54	yeti	https://yeti.tilde.institute/dillo-screenshots/
2024-05-05 17:45:31	yeti	from resurrection to release candidate days.  I've not seen dramatic changes since the 3.1 release
2024-05-05 17:48:43	thrig	I've seen CHANGES files you people wouldn't believe...
2024-05-05 17:49:04	mio	screenshots looking pretty good
2024-05-05 18:12:55	m256	its crazy that dillo is still maintained
2024-05-05 18:28:30	yeti	there is no reason against dillo existing.  but there may be reasons not to want it.
2024-05-05 18:29:03	m256	I mean, its crazy somebody cares enough to spend time maintaining. I think its a good thing
2024-05-05 18:29:21	yeti	ok.
2024-05-05 18:30:17	yeti	so the positive flavour of crazy...
2024-05-05 18:30:38	yeti	constructive crazy
2024-05-05 18:57:34	koalillo	if I understand correctly, Dillo is explicitly targetting very low-specced devices. I'm not convinced myself that Firefox would not perform well on such devices *WITH LIGHTWEIGHT PAGES*
2024-05-05 18:57:58	koalillo	but I think it's interesting that someone, somewhere can browse say, Wikipedia on a very old laptop with 1Gb of RAM
2024-05-05 19:01:18	thrig	I use w3m on wikipedia and download PDFs, the CSS and JavaScript got too horrible to deal with
2024-05-05 19:02:39	koalillo	does w3m have graphics nowadays? also not everyone prefers a text terminal
2024-05-05 19:03:05	thrig	I took pains to compile image support out of w3m
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2024-05-05 19:03:24	koalillo	well, it depends. if you're browsing articles on calculus, which have function graphs as examples...
2024-05-05 19:03:35	koalillo	I would prefer a browser with graphics
2024-05-05 19:03:39	thrig	hence, "download the pdf"
2024-05-05 19:04:22	koalillo	after a few pages of switching back and forth, I know I wouldn't enjoy the experience. but everyone has different tastes, yes
2024-05-05 19:04:35	koalillo	I'm merely acknowledging that I see that Dillo might fulfill the needs of some people
2024-05-05 19:05:28	koalillo	(that's the greatness of the web and Gemini- multiple clients, etc.)
2024-05-05 19:06:18	★	m256 uses w3m for lightweight web browsing
2024-05-05 19:06:34	m256	and amfora for gemini
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2024-05-05 19:48:03	yeti	I call single protocol browsers just brokenb or network file viewers
2024-05-05 19:48:29	yeti	"the brownser" was crated as frontend to multiple protocols and file formats.
2024-05-05 19:49:25	yeti	so may vafourites are elinks, emacs, dillo and w3m
2024-05-05 19:50:00	yeti	I dont want to need a diferent viewer for stuff in a different markup or to fetch via a different protocol
2024-05-05 19:50:10	yeti	one lens to view them all.
2024-05-05 19:50:28	yeti	none of my list is perfect.
2024-05-05 19:50:33	thrig	the mother of all attack surfaces
2024-05-05 19:51:14	yeti	smolnbet is about feeling great in separatists islands.
2024-05-05 19:51:16	yeti	:-Þ
2024-05-05 19:51:26	thrig	(for example, my w3m has no ability to run programs, and can only read and mostly not write to the filesystem
2024-05-05 19:51:27	yeti	don install plugins you dont need
2024-05-05 19:55:20	yeti	I grew up with ftp, gopher and http links side by side...  that's it how the net is menat to be
2024-05-05 19:56:19	yeti	ok... de jure I was grown up when the web just did coredump into its 1st diapers...
2024-05-05 19:57:37	m256	I grew up in the era of youtube and social media being "the internet"
2024-05-05 19:57:42	yeti	even the pre-web internet was about interoperability, not about islands of different protocols, having pointers to ftp in news was common, so no single protocoul purism
2024-05-05 19:58:32	yeti	I was too old already for such an asocial mess
2024-05-05 19:58:53	m256	I am 16 right now. The modern web is all I know
2024-05-05 19:59:09	m256	Wish I could have experienced the 90s
2024-05-05 19:59:25	yeti	I'm only cosnumming "real" news, docs, tuts and science clips from YT
2024-05-05 19:59:53	yeti	that selfmarketing or soul strip in fron of a cam is totally ortogonal to me
2024-05-05 20:00:27	yeti	ther is not a second of my voice or video in the nets (that I know of)
2024-05-05 20:00:34	yeti	and it shall stay that way
2024-05-05 20:01:05	yeti	I want a web of factlets, instead of turning me into the product
2024-05-05 20:01:11	m256	pubnixes, irc, the smol web etc... are the best parts of internet for me
2024-05-05 20:01:21	m256	I don't find much else intriguing
2024-05-05 20:01:22	yeti	and that still seems to fit better to NNTP that the WWW
2024-05-05 20:01:40	koalillo	I didn't have Internet access until I was about 18, at home only at 20. This was late nineties- the web was pretty different than today, but IIRC, the web already dominated...
2024-05-05 20:01:45	yeti	I often do not even look at the from: lines
2024-05-05 20:02:02	m256	I have had internet access since I was two
2024-05-05 20:02:11	m256	it was not a great influence
2024-05-05 20:02:35	yeti	I'm more or less connected since 300Bd acoustic coupler days
2024-05-05 20:02:36	koalillo	(so of course, for me HTML + simple CSS + sprinkling of JS is "the real deal". I never interacted with Gopher)
2024-05-05 20:02:42	koalillo	(I did *some* BBS'ing)
2024-05-05 20:02:42	m256	I feel like it damaged my mental development
2024-05-05 20:02:46	yeti	but that wasnt cheap
2024-05-05 20:03:37	m256	how much did the long distance calls cost?
2024-05-05 20:03:44	m256	I assume they weren't cheap
2024-05-05 20:04:38	yeti	I dont reember...  but 600DM in a month just for BBSing was a bit too much and I decided to use the university as 1st hop more...
2024-05-05 20:05:09	yeti	Bitnet days, later Internet
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2024-05-06 07:57:07	kensanata	My first modem was 1200 baud but we soon got 2400 baud.
2024-05-06 07:57:35	kensanata	600DM in a month
2024-05-06 07:57:41	kensanata	Wow.
2024-05-06 08:01:03	yeti	my vafourite BBS was in düsseldorf that days and that was long distance...
2024-05-06 08:02:28	yeti	vafourite <<< that char swap typo is a new breed.... typically I've offby1onkeyboard errors and an inclination to phonetically explainable mishaps...
2024-05-06 08:02:54	kensanata	I was living in Bangkok at the time and so all the good BBSs were local calls. Back in Switzerland there was simply no BBS that I knew of, so I was offline for about three years until I got access to the Internet via uni.
2024-05-06 08:03:22	yeti	we had 0 in our local area back then
2024-05-06 08:04:04	yeti	we (50% me) were the 1st to try installing a BBS for our computing centre
2024-05-06 08:05:50	yeti	but that failed because the software of uni-düsseldorf's BBS we wanted to indtall failed because it was too dependent on an IBM-XT/86 bios and the CS did order something that callt itself XT but had a 286 and so a totally different BIOS and even the author of that BBS couldnt help there.
2024-05-06 08:06:15	yeti	indtall < back to good old offby1
2024-05-06 08:06:35	yeti	caffeine should kick in in some minutes...  \o/
2024-05-06 08:08:31	yeti	I've 2 "real USB modems" (not disguised soundcards) to somewhen play with BBS or PPP/SLIP again but my to do list has a ™dark energy infection™.  there's lots of other stuff more important/interesting...
2024-05-06 08:12:43	kensanata	I don't think I want to go back to BBS days. The Internet was an improvement.
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2024-05-06 08:42:31	yeti	the BBS structure / Fidonet / UUCP was in the hands of the ppl.  internet is not.
2024-05-06 08:42:59	yeti	we need back that degree of freedom and at least well documented overlay networks.
2024-05-06 08:43:58	yeti	smolnet makes no sense if that layer is not in our hands too.
2024-05-06 08:46:47	yeti	I've not yet found an attractive layer for this.  TINC-VPN and UUCP (probably NNCP too) are a config nightmare with lots of members, Tor switches to Rust and that does not fit many platforma, I2P is more CPU intensive than Tor but at least exists in C++, Yggdrasil only in Go :-( ...
2024-05-06 08:47:13	yeti	I'll drop Tor when their C implementation dies.
2024-05-06 08:47:45	yeti	but then my hidden services will be homeless
2024-05-06 08:48:01	yeti	I hope to see an alternative before that happens
2024-05-06 08:52:06	epoch	> tinc is a config mightmare with lots of members
2024-05-06 08:52:20	epoch	did you see how chaosvpn handled that?
2024-05-06 08:53:02	epoch	they pretty much just had something pulling a generated config from a central server
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2024-05-06 09:15:42	kensanata	I managed to get NNCP set up but I haven't meddled with the INN setup because getting it to work at all (using NNTP) has been a nightmare and the idea of switching to UUCP and then replacing UUCP with NNCP … I'm not ready for this.
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2024-05-06 09:26:05	yeti	with Tor, I2P and other overlay networks you don't need to be in the config of other peers.  that mimics an "open" network better than uucp/nncp/tinc.
2024-05-06 09:26:39	yeti	I dont need to be "hidden", I just want provider independent constant addresses in such an overlay net
2024-05-06 09:27:04	alexlehm	i believe yggdrasil does that with ipv6 addresses
2024-05-06 09:27:15	yeti	but it is in Go
2024-05-06 09:27:33	alexlehm	tor and i2p does it via the hidden addresses
2024-05-06 09:27:35	yeti	and not documented well enough to be easy to port
2024-05-06 09:27:41	alexlehm	like hashkey.onion
2024-05-06 09:28:04	alexlehm	i have only tried yggdrasil years ago, i cannot really say how it works
2024-05-06 09:28:12	yeti	I curretly use tor but I don't want to depend on rust, when tor switches to arti
2024-05-06 09:28:53	yeti	maybe 802.11s or batman(-adv) can o that job
2024-05-06 09:29:17	alexlehm	i2p is in java i think if you prefer that
2024-05-06 09:29:23	yeti	no way!
2024-05-06 09:29:44	yeti	i2p exists in C++ too but is far more CPU demanding than tor even when idle
2024-05-06 09:30:08	yeti	surprised me
2024-05-06 09:30:22	yeti	but that killed my I2P experiments
2024-05-06 09:31:02	alexlehm	also a while ago, i can't remember, I thought the router for i2p is a java program
2024-05-06 09:31:16	yeti	that's the "original"
2024-05-06 09:31:28	alexlehm	ok
2024-05-06 09:31:35	alexlehm	i probably tried that in about 2010
2024-05-06 09:34:23	yeti	I should make a list of such soft...  perhaps that can trigger someone adding stuff I did not consifer yet to it...
2024-05-06 09:34:58	yeti	https://lokinet.org/  <<<  the website alone is scary enough
2024-05-06 09:36:17	alexlehm	wikipedia has a reasonably well-done list
2024-05-06 09:37:39	alexlehm	which i cannot find right now
2024-05-06 09:43:07	yeti	https://tinc-vpn.org/documentation-1.1/Invitations.html <<< that seems new since I last uses tinc ~2 decade ago
2024-05-06 09:43:20	yeti	that may make config much easier
2024-05-06 09:47:20	yeti	mayhaps that would fit better in #smolnet ... as it is indepedent of gemini & co
2024-05-06 09:51:28	yeti	https://tinc-vpn.org/ <<< am I blind?  or has the comment about tinc-mesh sizes been stripped?  I remember TINC having had a comment about the size of the mesh somewhen...
2024-05-06 09:58:30	epoch	you could try something like dn42
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2024-05-06 10:43:14	koalillo	I'm using Tinc- I have some playbooks to generate keys and distribute them and I'm moderately happy with it. although I'm a bit concerned about its security
2024-05-06 10:43:30	koalillo	I'm using ocserv and it's giving me some issues lately, so I'm thinking of revisiting my VPN setup
2024-05-06 10:44:02	koalillo	yggdrasil has been on my list forever- Go is not my thing either, but as I don't think I can contribute... I think I'll ignore it's written in a language which is not my favorite
2024-05-06 11:09:35	yeti	if nncp were written in C I'd instantly try it.
2024-05-06 11:10:33	yeti	I don't think we should mix overlay networks and VP(net|mesh)
2024-05-06 11:11:08	yeti	for an oerley network I would not demand it being more secure than the internet istself.  I just expect provider independent constant addrsses.
2024-05-06 11:11:45	yeti	if secutity is a paroblem, one should use more secure tunnels over such a basic overlay network layer.
2024-05-06 11:14:33	yeti	we could try meshing up via ssh instead of uucp...  the outer layer would be classic internet but ssh host aliases could be collected and distributed and those could be the public key of the nodes collected on 1st connect or such...
2024-05-06 11:16:27	yeti	https://supertxt.net/00-intro.html uses ssh with a passwordless key
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2024-05-06 14:56:21	thrig	I send public keys over ssh over wireguard, but that's just for bespoke email encryption up in the cloud
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2024-05-06 15:18:01	yeti	that supertxt setup doe snot require a public key of the serving side.
2024-05-06 15:18:10	yeti	interesting combination.
2024-05-06 15:19:24	yeti	and on the server side a binary can be added to a key, so that clients only get the functionality the key allows.
2024-05-06 15:20:45	yeti	the simpler the better...  even modern microcontrollers can do ssh
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2024-05-07 14:29:06	jdtron	does someone know what gemini server we use at tilde.team?
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2024-05-07 14:58:41	alexlehm	i believe that is mollybrown
2024-05-07 14:59:07	alexlehm	ok, sorry, i confused that
2024-05-07 14:59:09	alexlehm	its gemserv
2024-05-07 15:03:55	jdtron	thanks, alexlehm 
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2024-05-13 11:32:46	ew0k	I’ve had this immensely dumb idea for a while and I figure I’ll probably never get around to actually doing it…
2024-05-13 11:33:18	ew0k	you guys know zenity? It’s a stupidly simple way to add widgets to bash scripts
2024-05-13 11:33:36	ew0k	I was thinking… gemini browser in zenity…
2024-05-13 11:34:47	ew0k	it’s *so* stupid, because the widgets are literally different kinds of forms and input can only be read on exit
2024-05-13 11:35:08	ew0k	The UX would be abysmal
2024-05-13 11:35:29	ew0k	but also very unique
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2024-05-13 14:29:54	valravn	that could definitely be pretty interesting
2024-05-13 14:30:21	valravn	can't be much worse than nc url 1965
2024-05-13 14:35:18	Hanicef	ew0k: that's basically genious levels of stupid
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2024-05-13 15:15:25	mio	it might be a helpful project prototype in figuring out what you might want in a gemini browser ux 
2024-05-13 15:19:32	mio	like, "this feature is awkward to use right now because [considering possible reasons], what if it could do x instead" 
2024-05-13 15:21:37	mio	or it could surprisingly turn out better than expected. don't know about unique, but definitely different
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2024-05-13 15:26:22	mio	could be fun if you ever get around to doing it
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2024-05-13 18:55:13	ew0k	Hanicef: 🤣
2024-05-13 18:55:47	ew0k	mio: I definitely think it could be fun
2024-05-13 18:57:12	mio	would like to read about it if you decide to do it ^^
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2024-05-14 14:07:02	ew0k	the zenity --text-info widget has html support
2024-05-14 14:07:12	ew0k	and you can pass it a url instead of a filename
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2024-05-14 14:16:23	ew0k	huh... I run debian bookworm at home, with zenity 3.44.0-1 and it works there, but my work laptop runs ubuntu 23.10 with zenity 3.44.2 and apparently the html option for the text info widget doesn't exist there 🤔
2024-05-14 14:45:30	ew0k	mio: I have a basic version of it now 😂 https://notabug.org/tinyrabbit/zengem/
2024-05-14 14:47:01	mio	lol looking good
2024-05-14 14:49:58	ew0k	I wish --html worked! It looks a lot better when I pipe it through gmi2html and show it in a text-info box with html support
2024-05-14 14:51:35	ew0k	zenity is very limited, but at the same time the absolutely simplest way to make gui elements that I've ever used
2024-05-14 14:53:32	mio	odd, the flag is still listed in the manual
2024-05-14 14:53:38	ew0k	I know
2024-05-14 14:54:57	ew0k	not in the man pages on ubuntu 23.10 though. I wonder if it's been recently added or recently removed. I don't know whether I have a newer version on my home laptop or my work oen
2024-05-14 14:55:01	ew0k	*one
2024-05-14 14:56:25	mio	does it give an error when the flag is used? apparently needs webkit2gtk-6.0 for html support
2024-05-14 14:57:34	mio	if it's not in the man pages then yeah, not a good sign ... the repo still has that reference about html support, unless the html is being used elsewhere in the gui elements
2024-05-14 14:58:21	mio	plaintext is still okay though! makes a cute little viewer
2024-05-14 15:06:07	mio	last mention of html in the commits was last year, to update to webkitgtk 6.0, no mention of deprecation https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/zenity/-/commit/15770afebe8aa5e8b367733e1e24c1f08ef10c23
2024-05-14 15:09:36	mio	a bit funny to convert to html, pity it doesn't seem to support some basic text formatting
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2024-05-14 15:13:08	ew0k	mio: it just says that the option doesn
2024-05-14 15:13:14	ew0k	't exist
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2024-05-14 15:16:02	mio	possibly the package wasn't compiled with webkit2gtk
2024-05-14 15:17:04	mio	maybe the debian version was and the ubuntu one wasn't? not sure
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2024-05-14 15:17:58	mio	it could have been quietly removed, but from the repo it doesn't look like it
2024-05-14 15:18:59	ew0k	I have GNOME3 on my work laptop and MATE on my private. Iirc MATE is a fork of gnome 2
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2024-05-14 16:43:25	mio	ew0k: not to go into too offtopic about this in #gemini, but had a look into zenity ... my os doesn't supply a version with html either, but recompiled it with webkit2gtk-6.0 and the --html flag is there and appears to work
2024-05-14 16:44:25	mio	version 4.0.1 ... so it's likely the ubuntu version was not compiled with webkit2gtk, seems to be disabled by default
2024-05-14 16:45:40	mio	guess options are to recompile zenity or ask the ubuntu packager to enable it
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2024-05-14 18:12:57	ew0k	I’ll have to handle the case of it not working either way. Unless I only intend to use this myself. Which… uhm… I don’t know why anyone would use it 😂😂😂
2024-05-14 18:15:20	mio	lol don't know, someone might
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2024-05-15 18:16:06	f_	hi, where is this channel logged at?
2024-05-15 18:17:05	rkta	topic says gemspace
2024-05-15 18:18:18	f_	where in gemspace?
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2024-05-15 19:00:49	sysrq	f_: no single source, just multiple people publishing logs
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2024-05-15 19:17:51	alexlehm	it is logged on a specific site, i have to look it up
2024-05-15 19:18:23	alexlehm	i really hate it when i have to reboot and then forget openen one of my standard programs
2024-05-15 19:21:26	alexlehm	ok, can't find it right now
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2024-05-15 19:45:49	f_[xmpp]	sysrq: ah ok, thanks
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2024-05-15 20:06:15	mio	f_[xmpp]: gemini://tilde.team/~tomasino/irc/
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2024-05-15 21:30:36	f_[xmpp]	mio: thx!
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2024-05-16 01:40:39	dozens	that's a big text file
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2024-05-16 02:24:02	mio	if referring to the log, yes, relatively. didn't link directly to the file in case there will one day be a page at the parent directory with a notice about its size 
2024-05-16 02:25:06	mio	like the makeworld.space page, but the split logs there have since been removed
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2024-05-16 08:20:55	@tomasino	hmm, not a bad idea
2024-05-16 08:21:30	@tomasino	maybe I'll spend a few minutes breaking it up by year or something
2024-05-16 08:21:45	@tomasino	it's just my weechat log at the moment
2024-05-16 08:26:44	alexlehm	wasn't there another one that had daily logs in gemini?
2024-05-16 08:33:08	@tomasino	likely
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2024-05-16 09:23:03	@tomasino	okay, i split the log by year and added more info on that page
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2024-05-16 10:04:33	f_	tomasino: nice!
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2024-05-16 13:48:59	mio	tomasino: looks great, thanks for making older logs available whichever way they're organised
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2024-05-19 08:13:05	sandra	thrig: (Re: site feeds) Yeah, I'm defaulting the subs to midnight in gemini://idiomdrottning.org/parabola
2024-05-19 08:14:15	sandra	Although I do 00 rather than 12
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2024-05-19 23:49:59	thatblockypenguin	sorry if this is the wrong place, but i'd like to get some eyeballs on my latest project, jem. it's a (very experimental) browser for gemini written in java - let me know what you think! https://tildegit.org/BlockyPenguin/Jem/
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2024-05-20 15:10:46	remarstered	Hi all! Found out about gemini a couple of days ago and I really like it. Set up my own capsule, now I have to think about what to put in it ;-)
2024-05-20 15:11:00	thrig	Hamlet: words, words, words
2024-05-20 15:11:10	remarstered	Thanx to all who is making de geminispace interesting.
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2024-05-20 19:47:49	konomo	hi remarstered :D welcome to gemspace
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2024-05-20 21:59:24	remarstered	Thank you konomo!
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2024-05-21 15:15:58	@tomasino	express yourself
2024-05-21 15:16:00	@tomasino	share all the things
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2024-05-22 06:58:37	ew0k	tomasino: YOU can express yourself!
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2024-05-22 08:39:42	ew0k	I almost want to add features to zengem... but I feel like that's a bit heretical
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2024-05-22 12:03:44	mio	why is it heretical?
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2024-05-22 12:55:57	ew0k	mio: because it’s built with a widget tool 🙂 any added feature will add at least one more window
2024-05-22 12:56:37	mio	then it'll be like the golden days of popup windows lol
2024-05-22 12:58:55	mio	slightly more seriously, the feature added could be important to have its own window
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2024-05-22 17:08:11	ew0k	mio: https://notabug.org/tinyrabbit/zengem
2024-05-22 17:09:01	ew0k	I actually think using it could be quite fun with a tiling window manager 😂
2024-05-22 17:09:54	★	tomasino tiles ew0k
2024-05-22 17:10:04	★	ew0k becomes tiled
2024-05-22 17:10:21	@tomasino	you can manage windows now
2024-05-22 17:10:46	ew0k	Gracias 😂
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2024-05-22 17:41:24	yeti	apropos windows... https://yeti.tilde.institute/tmp/20210730-161533-UTC__tilde.guru__1st_baby_photos__running_twin_over_mosh.png
2024-05-22 17:42:18	yeti	a funny piece of terminal but it feels incomplete when it comes to a smooth mouse free workflow.  maybe it just needs more users to push it into the right direction?
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2024-05-22 17:43:20	yeti	https://github.com/cosmos72/twin
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2024-05-22 18:06:29	mio	ew0k: https://0x0.st/XZiN.png
2024-05-22 18:07:34	mio	it's cute ... just sort of wished gemcall followed redirects, seems it didn't display some capsules in the view for that reason
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2024-05-22 18:11:55	dozens	lol there is an active farkle subspace on bbs
2024-05-22 18:11:56	dozens	love it
2024-05-22 18:16:31	mio	a bit tempted by the astrobotany one
2024-05-22 18:22:52	dozens	i can't even keep up with town botany much less an Astro one
2024-05-22 18:25:33	mio	that is the reason for not going on astrobotany ... if there was plant cloning might actually consider it
2024-05-22 18:26:32	mio	s/the reason/my reason as well/ ... like, beaming up a tilde botany plant
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2024-05-22 18:30:40	mio	still like the astro idea though
2024-05-22 18:30:57	@tomasino	beep boop
2024-05-22 18:32:29	dozens	what is up tomasino what's going on
2024-05-22 18:32:56	@tomasino	i just ate two hot dogs and I'm debating myself about wanting a 3rd
2024-05-22 18:33:07	@tomasino	i probably don't want it, but it was so yummy 
2024-05-22 18:33:12	dozens	i know that feel
2024-05-22 18:33:35	dozens	i am looking forward to some lunch myself. i think i'll make a big old bowl of spaghetti.
2024-05-22 18:33:38	mio	get a 3rd for later? future you will be thankful
2024-05-22 18:34:39	mio	this is tangential to gemini, at some point someone likely thought of something similar https://codeberg.org/mio/nim-gemconf/raw/branch/main/doc/spec.gmi
2024-05-22 18:35:29	ew0k	dozens: what’s ”farkle”?
2024-05-22 18:35:40	dozens	it's a dice game
2024-05-22 18:36:07	ew0k	Ah
2024-05-22 18:36:08	dozens	a push your luck game where you roll 6 dice trying to get certain patterns.
2024-05-22 18:36:12	dozens	if i recall correctly
2024-05-22 18:36:58	mio	looking to use the format for tiny gemini-related projects and see if it works out
2024-05-22 18:40:54	ew0k	mio: I could make gemcall support redirects… It’s probably better if zengem would handle it, though
2024-05-22 18:41:12	ew0k	gemcall is stateless
2024-05-22 18:41:34	@tomasino	yeah, it's easy to handle it a layer up 
2024-05-22 18:47:44	mio	ew0k: either way sounds good ^^
2024-05-22 18:51:25	mio	odd, loading tildeverse.org works now ... it was showing a blank page before
2024-05-22 18:53:18	mio	maybe did something wrong. worked after requesting with gemcall first, then relaunching zengem and pasting the url ... not sure if coincidence
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2024-05-23 04:42:53	ew0k	mio: maybe had a trailing / when it worked but not when it didn’t?
2024-05-23 04:51:43	mio	ew0k: yes. that's it. though there are sites that don't need a trailing / to work
2024-05-23 04:53:55	mio	which added to my initial confusion
2024-05-23 05:12:56	ew0k	That’s because they redirect
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2024-05-23 06:21:57	damarusama	hi
2024-05-23 06:22:20	damarusama	so if I link to a plain text file gemini browser don't display them but just download the file?
2024-05-23 06:22:39	damarusama	coming form gopher with no regard to file extensions
2024-05-23 06:23:19	damarusama	do I have to .gmi all my text file to be able to view them in gemini?
2024-05-23 06:24:04	damarusama	oh, it's browser dependent... lagrange open my plain text file
2024-05-23 06:35:20	damarusama	hum I'll have to experiment more ._.
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2024-05-23 17:27:28	wgreenhouse	according to the spec, gemini clients should act on the response body according to the mimetype of athe server response
2024-05-23 17:27:50	wgreenhouse	in this sense there's nothing special about text/gemini vs text/plain
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2024-06-02 12:14:44	amby	"The search provider geminispace.info has been shut down on 1st June 2024", apparently
2024-06-02 12:23:53	Hanicef	ah, so, is there a replacement?
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2024-06-08 05:56:34	smlckz	what do you think about the nostr protocol?
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2024-06-08 06:03:24	wgreenhouse	smlckz: doesn't seem too related to gemini
2024-06-08 06:03:46	wgreenhouse	technically or philosophically
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2024-06-08 09:59:43	smlckz	wgreenhouse, koalillo: hmm.. what are the e2ee communication protocols that are philosophically closest to gemini?
2024-06-08 10:22:25	alexlehm	i am thinking veilid
2024-06-08 10:22:46	lupine	https://delta.chat
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2024-06-08 11:23:19	koalillo	honestly,  I'm fine with Gemini being TLS-only, but for IM/chat, I think e2ee is not necessary in a "smol" world
2024-06-08 11:23:25	koalillo	IRC is public anyway
2024-06-08 11:23:55	koalillo	and smol "personal IM" is well-served by self-hosting, where e2ee does not make so much sense
2024-06-08 11:25:17	koalillo	I love the idea of delta.chat, and veilid looks cool, but I really never get a chance to use anything like that
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2024-06-08 11:41:52	smlckz	In the Veilid website: “The framework enables development of fully-distributed applications without a 'blockchain' or a 'transactional layer' at their base.” so +1 from me..
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2024-06-08 12:02:30	alexlehm	veilid is pretty new and i am not sure if there are any usable applications yet, i failed to compile the chat, so i cannot really test it. but running a node works
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2024-06-08 13:12:43	wgreenhouse	smlckz: for brutal simplicity for both users and operators, maybe something like ssh-chat
2024-06-08 13:13:03	wgreenhouse	or a single-instance, non-federated irc server, like ergo.chat
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2024-06-08 20:31:50	thrig	ew0k: there's a posting from 2024-07-06 that might be at the head for a while
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2024-06-09 07:53:42	ew0k	thrig: if it stays for a few days I'll have a look at it. So far every instance of it happening has been corrected by the author themselves, often followed by an apologetic email to me (which, for the record, is absolutely not necessary) 🙂
2024-06-09 07:54:28	ew0k	Thanks for bringing it to my attention! I have a new phone and haven't installed a gemini browser on it yet
2024-06-09 07:54:51	ew0k	In fact I'm gonna do that now. Time to try out Lagrange!
2024-06-09 07:56:28	ew0k	Huh. Is lagrange not available on android?
2024-06-09 08:08:36	alexlehm	lagrange is fdroid only
2024-06-09 08:36:31	ew0k	I can't find it on fdroid
2024-06-09 08:40:25	op	ew0k it's not in the official repo
2024-06-09 08:40:43	op	skyjake maintains one iirc
2024-06-09 08:41:15	lupine	deedum is in official but it's worth the effort for lagrane
2024-06-09 08:41:27	op	i believe it's this one: https://skyjake.github.io/fdroid/repo/
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2024-06-09 09:40:49	low-key	congrats on the new phone! which one did you get?
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2024-06-09 12:52:19	slondr	ew0k, well, except for that one time I did it on purpose to see if I could :) 
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2024-06-09 14:16:51	ew0k	slondr: I have totally lost the context here 😂
2024-06-09 14:18:25	ew0k	low-key: thanks! I got an android with decebt specs that was on sale, and supplier guarantees 3 years of OS upgrades and 5 years of security updates. Those points are really what matter 🙂 It's a motorola g34
2024-06-09 14:28:26	slondr	ew0k, antenna time machines 
2024-06-09 14:28:47	slondr	I did the same thing back in September gemini://tilde.pink/~slondr/antenna-time-machine.gmi
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2024-06-09 14:50:15	ew0k	Oh! Yeah 😂
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2024-06-09 17:17:35	low-key	oooh!
2024-06-09 17:17:53	low-key	quite a lot of people around me too are picking Moto
2024-06-09 17:18:12	low-key	though their concerns are mostly the UI and camera
2024-06-09 17:18:31	low-key	it's nice to finally see Android OEMs offer decent update promises though
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2024-06-10 10:14:04	diane_	hi, i'm running into issues with git, so i wondered if someone could help me or redirect me to the appropriate channel?
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2024-06-10 10:14:59	diane_	on debian, linux mint, and manjaro, after rebooting my system – the second time after running the installer from the live system – git can't clone repositories anymore, telling me that 'remote-https isn't a git command'
2024-06-10 10:15:04	diane_	is it a known issue?
2024-06-10 10:15:45	diane_	so i (1) run the installer, (2) reboot, (3) git clone e.g. my emacs packages, (4) poweroff or reboot my system, (5) can't git clone anymore
2024-06-10 10:16:09	diane_	the fact that this is an issue, for me, across several operating systems but not for other debian users is weird…
2024-06-10 10:18:07	diane_	ew0k, i've ordered a redmi note 2 on a local second-hand market platform, sold 'for parts', presumably because it isn't updated by the manufacturer anymore
2024-06-10 10:18:49	diane_	ew0k, it seems to have excellent compatibility with PostmarketOS, the best in the 'community' tier – it just lacks camera support, and it has no NFC chip – so i'll see how it goes…
2024-06-10 10:22:07	diane_	and for the record, you don't know me and maybe you won't ever read me, but i've spent a dozen of hours converting my blog to the gemini format, i just need the infrastructure to dual-stack gemini with ghost; it's a french-speaking blog but i think many people – paranoid, with a monthly data cap, etc. – deserve to read me from gemini
2024-06-10 10:24:14	diane_	so, uhh… i'm not literally dropping in a random chan to ask for help, you *might* hear from me and my projects in the future
2024-06-10 10:26:25	diane_	i also need to re-read everything – 100K words, with Org-mode formatting – to retract some early garbage, but this is still totally going to happen
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2024-06-10 10:53:35	ew0k	diane_: I'd love to try postmarketos, but I'm not sure if national e-ID would work on it
2024-06-10 10:53:59	diane_	sweden?
2024-06-10 10:54:03	ew0k	yup
2024-06-10 10:54:22	diane_	you could try with waydroid, but yeah, i'm not sure it will work with my bank app either
2024-06-10 10:55:37	alexlehm	diane_: remote-https is a git helper file, usually in /usr/lib/git-core/git-remote-https, if that is not working likely the dir is missing or the basepath for lib is wrong
2024-06-10 10:55:57	alexlehm	i guess you could try to revive the #linux channel for that, it is pretty much quiet
2024-06-10 10:56:08	diane_	alexlehm: thank you so much!
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2024-06-10 15:16:41	diane_	oh i forgot to mention, i've bought the redmi note 2 for 25€
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2024-06-10 19:10:32	Meskunk	ew0k: I'm using LineageOS on a redmi at the moment. I have issues with a lot of apps for not having google services, but Revolut works just fine so banking is not a major issue. Not sure how your e-ID would work but there is a chance it can with no issues...
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2024-06-10 19:36:25	mio	pmOS is a musl distro, if the app source is available and can be built, it might be okay?
2024-06-10 19:37:51	mio	it's just that most of the prebuilt binaries for linux apps are for glibc distros
2024-06-10 19:42:10	mio	sadly it might be easier to keep LineageOS around and get the android version for apps that only offer binaries
2024-06-10 19:43:36	mio	but otherwise, pmOS is great
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2024-06-11 05:04:18	smlckz	wgreenhouse: hmm, ssh-chat is interesting.. as the author questions, “Why aren’t we using SSH for everything?” https://shazow.net/posts/ssh-how-does-it-even/
2024-06-11 05:08:22	smlckz	btw while looking for protocols, I found out willow protocol... https://willowprotocol.org/more/why/index.html#why_willow 
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2024-06-11 05:57:23	thrig	ssh has a lot of features (forwardings) you may not want
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2024-06-11 08:01:30	alexlehm	i assume ssh-chat has its own server that disables anything except a direct login
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2024-06-11 10:17:14	f_	I use ssh to connect to my bouncer, does that count?
2024-06-11 10:17:26	f_	(port forwarding..)
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2024-06-11 10:22:50	Meskunk	you can disable all that thrig 
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2024-06-11 13:21:09	low-key	recently discovered phanpy
2024-06-11 13:21:22	low-key	it's my favorite mastodon experience now
2024-06-11 13:21:33	low-key	what do y'all use for mastodon?
2024-06-11 13:21:40	low-key	oh wait, i thought i was at meta :/
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2024-06-12 06:06:14	rkta	low-key: phanpy gives me lot of pokemon results, can you provide a link? some sane mastodon interface is relevant to my interests
2024-06-12 06:13:31	NotSophie	https://phanpy.social/
2024-06-12 06:13:33	NotSophie	I think
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2024-06-13 22:26:25	leandro	Hi there. I watched Tomasino's talk about the Small Internet and the Gemini Protcol (among other things) and I undestand the protocol is great for accessibility. Are there any Gemini Clients that support navigation using gamepads, joysticks, remote controls or something else than keyboards and mice?
2024-06-13 22:35:09	@tomasino	i heard something recently about Lagrange looking at game pad controls. not sure if it's accurate though
2024-06-13 22:36:13	@tomasino	ahh, someone in the #gemini chat on libera mentioned it
2024-06-13 22:36:34	@tomasino	as relates to Batocera
2024-06-13 22:37:03	leandro	It might have been me, I've been asking around. I basically raised an issue and got a positive reply from skyjake, but that's as far as it goes for now: https://github.com/skyjake/lagrange/issues/670
2024-06-13 22:38:55	leandro	I admit I have not been looking around to much in terms of clients. I managed to deploy Lagrange as a Port in Batocera and I think it's the best candidate to do the job. The problem is that without gamepad support, people will open the client and then will not be able to quit. :D
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2024-06-13 22:41:06	leandro	 /nick argenkiwi
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2024-06-13 22:46:41	@tomasino	that would be  a problem!
2024-06-13 22:55:16	leandro	Indeed! I speak from experience. XD
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2024-06-13 23:21:56	@tomasino	hah
2024-06-13 23:22:47	@tomasino	i hope you keep pushing on these lines. gemini is really well suited to being an accessible documents platform, but it needs advocates to get that last mile
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2024-06-14 17:47:49	flow	tomasino: can I ask a question about what you mean by 'that last mile'? I seem to remember you saying something similar at your MCH talk; something like "we're not there yet". No need/pressure to respond to me btw (!) or to respond necessarily on IRC. I'm just curious of what you mean by that 'last mile'
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2024-06-14 23:42:51	@tomasino	we need our clients to support these features. keyboard navigation, alt text displays, ways to navigate by header, or jump through links. The protocol is well set up for tooling for accessibility but we need to actually make those things
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2024-06-15 08:27:01	cyberwolf	https://github.com/eaplmx/antenna-to-epub/ working or not already?
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2024-06-16 13:44:55	mhj	Morning Geminauts - remember, if you don't know what to post on your gemsite, just post critiques of Godzilla movies and inflame the passion of tomasino!
2024-06-16 13:53:30	thrig	but what have the kaiju done for us?
2024-06-16 14:20:00	mhj	The kaiju renew the earth!
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2024-06-16 14:53:55	ew0k	thrig: https://youtu.be/9foi342LXQE?si=U0Vrs_oYCsE0Bi_2
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2024-06-16 20:15:31	argenkiwi	I only watched Godzilla Minus One and I thought it was... OK. Is that inflamatory enough?
2024-06-16 20:16:50	thrig	pretty sure you're supposed to cancel them or something
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2024-06-16 21:54:15	dozens	that is the only godzilla i have ever seen
2024-06-16 21:54:19	dozens	i thought it was pretty good!
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2024-06-16 23:47:04	ew0k	I've not heard a single thing about it before except that it exists
2024-06-17 00:00:04	argenkiwi	I heard the Critical Drinker (youtuber) recommend it and I gave it a go. I think he raised my expectations too high, so I wasn't overly impressed, but it was good. Maybe it's just much better than the other movies of the franchise. XD 
2024-06-17 00:00:22	argenkiwi	But regarding the Gemini protocol... :P
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2024-06-17 10:57:14	ew0k	regarding the gemini protocol I've been pondering whether the http basic auth model would be suitable for adaptation to gemini
2024-06-17 11:55:28	koalillo	for minimalism, I think cert authentication is heavier, but it can achieve the same things?
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2024-06-17 12:48:46	ew0k	The problem I see with cert auth is that you need a cert for each device and connecting a new cert to a service is often cumbersome
2024-06-17 12:49:36	ew0k	Basic auth, being password based, is less secure. I would still think it's worth it for the convenience
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2024-06-17 14:13:54	lupine	you can always share certs between devices
2024-06-17 14:15:38	thrig	unless it's locked up in some secure enclave thingy, and there's no exploit du jour exposing those
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2024-06-18 22:40:23	argenkiwi	It is unfortunate that Google decided to brand their AI products Gemini.
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2024-06-18 23:28:50	@tomasino	a bit, yeah. but Google stuff doesn't last. we can be patient
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2024-06-18 23:40:29	thrig	no AI winter, yet
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2024-06-19 00:20:56	argenkiwi	True! They will probably have to rebrand it a few times before they can it. XD
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2024-06-19 00:30:44	argenkiwi	I pay my bills developing Android apps. In a few occasions I have used what is called a WebView which, as the name implies, is a view that can render web pages and you can embed in your app's user interface. I thought it'd be great to have a GeminiView, but it would be very confusing now they are pushing their AI model.
2024-06-19 00:34:51	thrig	GempherView
2024-06-19 00:35:57	argenkiwi	Multi-protocol, that could work.
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2024-06-23 20:48:16	argenkiwi	I was watchin The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Plain Text in the No Bolerplate channel on Youtube. I found it interesting how the Ulysses Pact concept applies to Gemini's design decisions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgV6M1LyfNY&t=32s
2024-06-23 20:51:27	lupine	is there a, uh, essay form?
2024-06-23 20:57:08	thrig	hopefully not Joyce's Ulysses
2024-06-23 20:57:38	argenkiwi	Of the episode? I believe this is it: https://github.com/0atman/noboilerplate/blob/main/scripts/34-Plain-Text-Team.md
2024-06-23 21:07:47	thrig	oh, documentation. lots of folks are sorta allergic to that
2024-06-23 21:13:44	argenkiwi	Documentation should be done on Gemini. ;)
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2024-06-23 23:32:35	smlckz	Then there's this example of a person: “This may be the first known case of a programmer refusing to distribute undocumented code...” https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/978463/608c876c1153fd31/
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2024-06-24 01:18:41	~Saint_Tuesday	Is the author of gmid in here?
2024-06-24 01:24:20	demure	it appears that they are
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2024-06-24 07:04:32	op	coleman: not official but gemini://godocs.io for go packages
2024-06-24 07:04:40	op	Saint_Tuesday: o/
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2024-06-24 12:34:54	~Saint_Tuesday	op, I'm feeling like an idiot trying to get cgi to work
2024-06-24 12:36:49	~Saint_Tuesday	I've got this line in my config file 'fastcgi socket unix:/var/run/fcgiwrap.socket', which doesn't throw an error when starting the server.
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2024-06-24 12:38:27	op	Saint_Tuesday: don't need the unix: prefx, just fastcgi socket /var/run/fcgiwrap.socket
2024-06-24 12:38:29	~Saint_Tuesday	but when a cgi file is accessed, gmid says No such file or directory
2024-06-24 12:38:41	~Saint_Tuesday	if I remove it, gmid throws an error
2024-06-24 12:38:56	op	are you also using a chroot?
2024-06-24 12:38:59	~Saint_Tuesday	nope
2024-06-24 12:39:14	op	ah, in case the socket path would have to be placed under the chroot path
2024-06-24 12:39:37	op	which error are you getting with `fastcgi socket /var/run/fcgiwrap.socket' ?
2024-06-24 12:40:09	~Saint_Tuesday	does it default chroot to the specified directory root directory?
2024-06-24 12:40:55	~Saint_Tuesday	op: syntax error
2024-06-24 12:41:50	op	oh, maybe i'm just stupid, what if you quote the path?  fastcgi socket "/var/run/..." ?
2024-06-24 12:42:00	op	no it doesn't chroot by default
2024-06-24 12:42:24	~Saint_Tuesday	that worked, at least to start the server
2024-06-24 12:42:29	~Saint_Tuesday	let me try accessing it now
2024-06-24 12:43:11	op	i should take a better look at what characters the parser accepts to start a string, and also add an error if it's not an absolute path (would have caught unix:/var/...)
2024-06-24 12:43:50	~Saint_Tuesday	hey, now I'm just getting 42 cgi errors, so that's a step forward
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2024-06-24 12:44:18	~Saint_Tuesday	the mandoc wasn't very clear on the unix socket part
2024-06-24 12:45:03	op	yeah, re-reading that now i see that it needs some improvements :/
2024-06-24 12:45:12	~Saint_Tuesday	tsp made sense, but I wanted to try and get it to work with fcgiwrap's socket
2024-06-24 12:45:18	~Saint_Tuesday	tcp
2024-06-24 12:45:51	~Saint_Tuesday	I still haven't been able to compile gmid on NetBSD
2024-06-24 12:45:57	~Saint_Tuesday	I should try again soon
2024-06-24 12:46:17	~Saint_Tuesday	I couldn't tell you what my issues were, it's been awhile
2024-06-24 12:46:54	op	if you mail me a ./configure && make output i may try to help :)
2024-06-24 12:47:52	~Saint_Tuesday	op: I'll try it again when I get a chance
2024-06-24 12:48:05	op	i believe i've tried only with openbsd' slowcgi (for which i've made a portable version :p), but to debug try to add some -v to the gmid invocation and see why it returns 42
2024-06-24 12:48:10	op	thanks :)
2024-06-24 12:48:11	~Saint_Tuesday	now, let's figure out what is making fcgiwrap sad
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2024-06-24 12:48:46	~Saint_Tuesday	I'm using fcgiwrap already for a web cgi setup
2024-06-24 12:49:01	~Saint_Tuesday	this is just the converted to gemini site
2024-06-24 12:49:14	~Saint_Tuesday	I think it worked fine with molly brown
2024-06-24 12:50:14	op	unfortunately i have to go back to work, i'll be back later (sorry :/).  feel free to mail me the gmid output and the configuration in case it doesn't work, we can try to sort it out
2024-06-24 12:50:55	~Saint_Tuesday	sounds good, thanks for the help
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2024-06-25 03:24:05	cyberwolf	does anyone have a thread https://github.com/omar-polo/gmid
2024-06-25 03:24:30	cyberwolf	how to set it up?
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2024-06-25 03:26:46	cyberwolf	I see you also can’t handle gmid
2024-06-25 03:31:17	cyberwolf	I don't understand where I should place the configuration file
2024-06-25 03:31:52	cyberwolf	after git clone
2024-06-25 03:45:08	thrig	gemini://thrig.me/tmp/conf.txt
2024-06-25 03:50:12	cyberwolf	thx
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2024-06-25 04:10:01	cyberwolf	I want to make proxying of general IPv4 Clearnet to IPv6 Yggdrasil
2024-06-25 04:27:26	cyberwolf	Gemini plugin for KOReader wow nice
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2024-06-26 12:23:50	koalillo	BTW, this article and the discussion on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40774277 got me thinking a lot about Gemini
2024-06-26 12:24:21	koalillo	how such a simple content format makes it possible to implement those kinds of features in a generic way, so you can use them on all Gemini content
2024-06-26 12:24:41	koalillo	this would also work with having HTML pages with an alternate content in Markdown or some other simple "semantic" format
2024-06-26 12:24:50	koalillo	(or even plain semantic HTML)
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2024-06-26 12:51:59	michael	Hello all! 
2024-06-26 12:55:05	michael	I have just discovered the tildeverse and gemini thanks to Mr Tomasino's YouTube and I'm glad to be here.
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2024-06-26 18:35:45	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+bbbb *!*@85.202.115.218 ManDeJan!*@* *!*@46.136.167.219 manu!*@*] by newhub.tilde.chat
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2024-06-26 18:36:01	ℹ 	Topic set by tomasino (~tomasino@cosmic.voyage) on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:31:37
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2024-06-26 20:40:23	argenkiwi	Tomasino, the Tildeverse lead influencer. :D
2024-06-26 20:44:30	thrig	isn't lead like toxic and stuff
2024-06-26 20:45:35	argenkiwi	That too? I should get myself a whitelist of non-toxic terms (I presume it would be shorter than a blacklist of toxic ones).
2024-06-26 20:46:02	argenkiwi	(Add blacklist to the blacklist... also whitelist)
2024-06-26 20:46:43	thrig	plutonium tends to blacken
2024-06-26 20:47:09	@tomasino	make the internet small again!
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2024-06-29 17:17:25	bitwack	i thought because i could do it using the telnet command
2024-06-29 17:22:41	bitwack	yea i had to use ssl
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2024-06-30 10:48:04	bitwack	are there any features which are widely supported by clients but not part of the protocol
2024-06-30 10:49:33	alexlehm	the upload feature is not in the gemini spec but supported by a few clients
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2024-06-30 11:13:34	bitwack	oh you can upload stuff to gemma?
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2024-06-30 11:14:39	bitwack	is inline image viewing frowned upon
2024-06-30 11:21:22	alexlehm	the server and the client has to support the upload extension, e.g. lagrange together with bbs.geminispace.info works for images with paste upload
2024-06-30 11:21:49	alexlehm	inline images are up to the client, some have an automatic option for that, i think images are fine in the page
2024-06-30 11:22:12	bitwack	is there a  spec for the upload protocol
2024-06-30 11:22:55	bitwack	i made a gemini client in React
2024-06-30 11:23:26	alexlehm	yes, it is called titan
2024-06-30 11:24:26	bitwack	thanks
2024-06-30 11:24:51	alexlehm	though i am not sure where the spec actually is, i use https://communitywiki.org/wiki/Titan
2024-06-30 11:25:21	alexlehm	the site has a bash example
2024-06-30 11:25:21	bitwack	so titan is a protocol on its own different from gemini
2024-06-30 11:25:44	alexlehm	yes, its similar but uses another protocol name and has more parameters
2024-06-30 11:26:44	bitwack	what client do you guys use
2024-06-30 11:27:33	bitwack	https://transjovian.org/titan seems to be dead
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2024-06-30 11:35:12	alexlehm	i use Lagrange for Windows and Android
2024-06-30 11:35:30	alexlehm	and sometimes a tty client, can't remember the name
2024-06-30 11:35:59	alexlehm	amfora, not sure if that has titan support
2024-06-30 11:39:39	bitwack	lagrange is pretty
2024-06-30 11:47:49	alexlehm	yes, as GUI client it is very good
2024-06-30 11:48:06	bitwack	currently writing a client in rust
2024-06-30 11:49:21	alexlehm	that is cool
2024-06-30 11:49:43	bitwack	gui too difficult for dumb me
2024-06-30 11:51:26	alexlehm	yes, gui is not my thing usually, i prefer cli tools
2024-06-30 11:51:31	alexlehm	(to write)
2024-06-30 11:52:21	bitwack	i love the web, its very convinient to create guis 
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2024-06-30 12:02:39	bitwack	Response { status_code: Success, meta: " text/gemini", body: [35, 32, 8
2024-06-30 12:02:41	bitwack	yay
2024-06-30 12:02:52	bitwack	the body is Vec<u8> so it appears like that 
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2024-06-30 15:42:10	bitwack	im going to crawl the gemini
2024-06-30 15:42:37	bitwack	what data should i collect
2024-06-30 15:45:30	mio	the number of times t o m a s i n o ' s name is mentioned, j/j
2024-06-30 15:45:40	bitwack	is there a robots.txt?
2024-06-30 15:45:47	bitwack	convention or smth
2024-06-30 15:47:19	mio	not in formal spec, as far as aware. not sure if other server developers have come to some informal agreement on an equivalent
2024-06-30 15:47:43	mio	concept that is
2024-06-30 15:48:05	thrig	also there's no User-Agent so honoring a robots.txt would be even more up to the crawler
2024-06-30 15:48:49	mio	yeah
2024-06-30 15:54:19	bitwack	lupa says 10% have robots.txt
2024-06-30 15:57:31	bitwack	whats the most impressive gemini application
2024-06-30 16:05:13	thrig	all that plain, readable text
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2024-06-30 16:21:17	alexlehm	most gemini crawlers do robots.txt, i am seeing a lot of requests for that
2024-06-30 16:23:44	alexlehm	there are maybe 5 crawlers over all
2024-06-30 16:24:17	bitwack	im goign to make my own shitty protocol
2024-06-30 16:26:01	alexlehm	there are 2 gemini-like protcols, one is called spartan, one is called nex
2024-06-30 16:26:19	bitwack	mercury seemed cool
2024-06-30 16:26:22	alexlehm	which are even simpler since they don't use tls
2024-06-30 16:26:55	bitwack	i was thinking of making a 3d document format
2024-06-30 16:27:08	bitwack	maybe voxels
2024-06-30 16:27:18	alexlehm	not sure if I know mercury yet
2024-06-30 16:28:20	bitwack	gemini://zaibatsu.circumlunar.space/~solderpunk/gemlog/the-mercury-protocol.gmi
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2024-06-30 16:38:23	★	wangofett likes tls and virtual hosts, as an option
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2024-06-30 16:38:54	wangofett	arguably robots.txt is still up to the crawlers
2024-06-30 16:39:28	bitwack	is there a image-only protocol?
2024-06-30 16:39:42	wangofett	I guess you could use image maps
2024-06-30 16:40:10	bitwack	how would you do links in images
2024-06-30 16:40:19	wangofett	especially if you uh... what's the armor for poisoning LLMS?
2024-06-30 16:40:44	bitwack	menu separate from the image, or areas in the images
2024-06-30 16:50:56	bitwack	REQUEST : URL 0x00
2024-06-30 16:50:57	bitwack	RESPONSE : IMAGE=u8{64*64} X=u8 Y=u8 WIDTH=u8 HEIGHT=u8 URL 0x00
2024-06-30 16:52:39	bitwack	wait no
2024-06-30 16:54:15	bitwack	REQUEST  : LENGTH=u8 URL=u8{LENGTH}
2024-06-30 16:54:16	bitwack	RESPONSE : IMAGE=u8{64*64} LINKS=u8 (X=u8 Y=u8 WIDTH=u8 HEIGHT=u8 LENGTH=u8 URL=u8{LENGTH}){LINKS}
2024-06-30 16:56:56	bitwack	why does redirect status code exist?
2024-06-30 17:15:15	flow	A bit late to the party here no doubt, but anyone know what happened to Spacewalk aggregator?
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2024-06-30 17:21:03	bitwack	REQUEST   : LENGTH=u8 URL=u8{LENGTH}
2024-06-30 17:21:05	bitwack	RESPONSE  : OK | NOT_FOUND
2024-06-30 17:21:06	bitwack	OK        : 0x00 IMAGE=u8{64*64} LINKS=u8 LINK{LINKS} 
2024-06-30 17:21:08	bitwack	LINK      : X=u8 Y=u8 WIDTH=u8 HEIGHT=u8 URL_LENGTH=u8 URL=u8{URL_LENGTH} TITLE_LENGTH=u8 TITLE=u8{TITLE_LENGTH}
2024-06-30 17:21:09	bitwack	NOT_FOUND : 0x01
2024-06-30 17:21:11	bitwack	REDIRECT  : 0x02 LENGTH=u8 URL=u8{LENGTH}
2024-06-30 17:21:12	bitwack	ERROR     : 0x03 LENGTH=u8 MESSAGE=u8{LENGTH}
2024-06-30 17:21:30	bitwack	reusing connections is prefered
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2024-07-01 21:21:00	rqm	hello all
2024-07-01 21:24:56	@tomasino	moo
2024-07-01 21:26:43	argenkiwi	Good morning! (Pacific/Auckland)
2024-07-01 21:27:09	rqm	haha, evening (EN/GB) :) 
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2024-07-01 21:28:36	rqm	ah. sorry. 
2024-07-01 21:29:00	rqm	so how are everyone's various gemini projects coming along? how are your capsules doing?
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2024-07-01 21:29:33	rqm	hello Matthias
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2024-07-01 21:35:26	pjvm	rqm: well, I just checked and it appears the last time I added something to my capsule was a bit more than eight months ago.
2024-07-01 21:35:42	pjvm	so about average, really
2024-07-01 21:36:03	rqm	ha. do you usually use it for blogging or for specific things?
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2024-07-01 21:37:20	pjvm	kind of log-ish yeah
2024-07-01 21:38:38	rqm	i'm trying to update mine regularly, like, weekly with some content and monthly with other personal gemlogs etc
2024-07-01 21:38:56	rqm	i've been toying with the idea of creating something to engage with tinylogs better
2024-07-01 21:39:00	rqm	kinda like a client 
2024-07-01 21:39:27	rqm	those seem fun, and to have a central place where you could follow tinylogs, see updates, like with most microblogs, would be fun
2024-07-01 21:39:55	pjvm	hm, interesting... tinylog is the twitter-like thing that people do right?
2024-07-01 21:41:06	rqm	well, more like a VERY short format blog... so ### 2024-07-01 \n Today's nice. 
2024-07-01 21:41:18	rqm	(I think you use full ISO timestamp_
2024-07-01 21:43:52	pjvm	I admire you trying to write weekly. I've not managed so far to make writing a regular thing, as the eight months thing shows
2024-07-01 21:44:46	rqm	It's more that I have to write stuff weekly anyway and I may as well put "work" stuff on gemini
2024-07-01 21:46:11	pjvm	I see... what kind of stuff are you writing about then for work?
2024-07-01 21:46:36	rqm	sunday homilies for church... 
2024-07-01 21:46:44	rqm	brb, reboot
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2024-07-01 21:47:24	argenkiwi	Keen to check your capsules if you have a link.
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2024-07-01 21:49:53	rqm	gemini://vigilia.cc
2024-07-01 21:49:58	pjvm	it's a mess, but okay. gemini://soviet.circumlunar.space/pjvm/
2024-07-01 21:51:07	argenkiwi	Thanks! 
2024-07-01 21:51:16	rqm	circumlunar.space, very classy :) original stuff
2024-07-01 21:51:25	rqm	argenkiwi, do you have one?
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2024-07-01 21:51:42	rqm	pjvm, really cool that you sing. 
2024-07-01 21:51:55	rqm	what was your last performance?
2024-07-01 21:54:18	pjvm	haha alright... here's a video from our last concert: https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=zo7Kf7EOa1U
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2024-07-01 21:55:41	rqm	oh cool, didn't know about the redirect domain!
2024-07-01 21:56:27	rqm	hm, it's not playing it on iv :/
2024-07-01 21:56:50	rqm	ah man, Palestrina and Part
2024-07-01 21:57:03	rqm	(Just glancing through your channel description)
2024-07-01 21:57:26	rqm	Love the selection
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2024-07-01 21:59:08	pjvm	well that's not all we sing just to be clear. It says "We sing classical music, from Palestrina to Pärt and in all languages (from Latin to Latvian)"
2024-07-01 21:59:31	rqm	Yeah, I browsed through the recordings, too, Bruckner etc are very very nice
2024-07-01 21:59:54	rqm	Seems like a great choir to be honest
2024-07-01 22:00:22	pjvm	I don't know what it is with so many invidious instances not working
2024-07-01 22:01:43	rqm	YouTube is playing a cat-and-mouse game
2024-07-01 22:01:49	rqm	They keep blocking things.
2024-07-01 22:04:26	rqm	Also I think there must be something with the video encoding formats
2024-07-01 22:05:02	thrig	ima keep using yt-dlp and if it breaks, eh
2024-07-01 22:05:02	pjvm	it's a bit annoying that the supposed "instance health" score on redirect.. doesn't reflect whether it's working or not
2024-07-01 22:06:06	rqm	Yeah. I think that's basically a metric of downtime.
2024-07-01 22:06:14	rqm	But there's much more to "health" than that!
2024-07-01 22:08:02	rqm	Also it seems to vary from video to video
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2024-07-01 22:08:55	rqm	thrig - ha! nice to see you here. I read your capsule sometimes :) 
2024-07-01 22:09:09	rqm	yeah, yt-dlp is a good thing. also mpv!
2024-07-01 22:13:49	rqm	speaking of - i had this crazy idea
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2024-07-01 22:14:18	rqm	viewing youtube videos via terminal by converting them into ansi art / sixels; over ssh
2024-07-01 22:14:33	rqm	ssh username could be used for the video id
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2024-07-01 22:15:19	rqm	so using the above, sg like zo7Kf7EOa1U@watch.sh 
2024-07-01 22:15:38	rqm	which then could take you to a textmode version of the video :)
2024-07-01 22:16:11	thrig	mostly I use  alias mpvnv='/usr/local/bin/mpv --no-video'
2024-07-01 22:16:32	rqm	ah, haven't tried that
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2024-07-01 22:18:15	rqm	pretty cool for music playback
2024-07-01 22:19:19	rqm	I'm thinking something like mpv --vo=tct or --vo=caca
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2024-07-01 22:49:30	rqm	right. off to sleep. nice to catch you, everyone
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2024-07-02 20:18:20	argenkiwi	Sorry, I had to go yesterday. I don't have a capsule yet. 
2024-07-02 20:19:43	argenkiwi	Has anyone tested Gemini clients on an e-reader? I was looking into the PineNote and the Open Book project yesterday and I was wondering how useful Gemini could be for e-ink devices.
2024-07-02 20:20:52	@tomasino	i think someone was doing something with gempub for that, but that would be really neat
2024-07-02 20:21:01	@tomasino	i wish i could browse gemini on my kobo
2024-07-02 20:24:39	argenkiwi	Yeah, that would be a great use case. I guess the client would have to rely on paging, instead of scrolling, for navigation. It shouldn't be too hard to implement on existing clients. I suppose a terminal-based client should work pretty well on an e-reader. 
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2024-07-02 20:35:03	argenkiwi	It seems someone has done what you wish, Tomasino: https://letsdecentralize.org/tutorials/kobo-terminal.html
2024-07-02 20:38:27	@tomasino	ooooh
2024-07-02 20:38:30	@tomasino	bookmarking this for later
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2024-07-02 20:39:55	argenkiwi	Nice, I'd be curious to hear your experience if you get to do it. :D
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2024-07-02 21:43:38	dozens	i swear i saw somebody working on something for koreader..
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2024-07-02 22:15:41	argenkiwi	Somebody requested support for Gemini in KOreadear but it was declined apparently: https://github.com/koreader/koreader/issues/7206. The GemPub repo seems to be archived as well.
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2024-07-03 11:10:13	cyberwolf	argenkiwi: git clone git://thegonz.net/gemini.koplugin/ current Gemini Client for KOReader in the form of a plugin.
2024-07-03 11:11:24	cyberwolf	works well on kpw4, does not work on android in koreader
2024-07-03 11:12:09	cyberwolf	unzip it into the plugins/ folder
2024-07-03 11:13:19	cyberwolf	gemini://gemini.thegonz.net/gemini.koplugin/
2024-07-03 11:15:55	cyberwolf	gemini://gemini.thegonz.net/gemini.koplugin/screenshot.png
2024-07-03 11:20:04	cyberwolf	tomasino: so you can install on kobo
2024-07-03 11:22:50	@tomasino	♥️
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2024-07-03 14:26:48	mhj	Is tomasino here? I expect a gemlog post comparing and contrasting Godzilla Minus One and Shin Godzilla by noon tomorrow!
2024-07-03 14:28:02	@tomasino	haha
2024-07-03 14:28:14	@tomasino	they both have so much to offer!
2024-07-03 14:29:55	mhj	Yeah~
2024-07-03 14:32:48	cyberwolf	tomasino: Does Kobo have the same aggressive policy as Amazon regarding jailbreaking?
2024-07-03 14:33:07	low-key	love how mainstream minus one has made godzilla
2024-07-03 14:33:20	low-key	have people who haven't seen a single godzilla movie watching this and celebrating it
2024-07-03 14:34:15	plugd	how is gozilla not mainstream?? it's up there with starwars
2024-07-03 14:34:25	@tomasino	no, kobo's are easy-going about that sort of thing
2024-07-03 14:34:41	low-key	not in my circles in india
2024-07-03 14:34:49	low-key	though godzilla x kong did do really well
2024-07-03 14:34:58	plugd	interesting
2024-07-03 14:35:42	@tomasino	i have my ebook library in calibre-web (https://tomasino.org/calibre), and it was the matter of plugging in my kobo and changing a text file to  make that into my kobo library for syncing
2024-07-03 14:36:06	@tomasino	it's very easy to do fun shenanigans
2024-07-03 14:38:49	cyberwolf	I also have caliber-web and caliber-server installed via opds syncing
2024-07-03 14:39:49	cyberwolf	calibre*
2024-07-03 14:43:57	@tomasino	reading up on koreader now
2024-07-03 14:44:00	@tomasino	instead of doing my work
2024-07-03 14:45:44	cyberwolf	and Goodreads is blocked for us
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2024-07-03 14:46:19	low-key	blocked?
2024-07-03 14:47:02	cyberwolf	yep
2024-07-03 14:47:05	cyberwolf	only through the Goodreads Alternative Private Interface.
2024-07-03 14:47:28	cyberwolf	https://github.com/nesaku/BiblioReads
2024-07-03 14:49:37	@tomasino	wha?
2024-07-03 14:51:48	cyberwolf	the book was found the article was found Apparently they don’t want to delete it or something
2024-07-03 14:53:52	@tomasino	what's blocking goodreads for you? your region? a work network?
2024-07-03 14:55:43	cyberwolf	By the way, did you look at CoolReader in addition to koreader?
2024-07-03 14:57:24	cyberwolf	yes Goodreads I don’t care, I take books from another source
2024-07-03 14:58:07	cyberwolf	http://pbchess.vlasovsoft.net/en/index.html
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2024-07-03 15:01:38	@tomasino	i have not!
2024-07-03 15:01:43	@tomasino	this is all new info
2024-07-03 15:05:39	cyberwolf	https://
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2024-07-03 15:12:17	anthk	someone needs to send a suggestion to the lagrange author
2024-07-03 15:12:23	anthk	an offline mode a la offpunk
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2024-07-03 20:02:06	argenkiwi	Let skyjake from Lagrange finish gamepad support first! :D
2024-07-03 20:06:17	argenkiwi	cyberwolf: nice plugin!
2024-07-03 20:06:50	thrig	up up down down left right left right b a start
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2024-07-03 20:25:09	plugd	anthk: why not submit a patch yourself? :)
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2024-07-03 20:42:53	@tomasino	installing koreader now
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2024-07-03 20:54:08	@tomasino	and stuck in a boot loop now. :(
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2024-07-03 20:58:44	@tomasino	no good. factory reset time
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2024-07-03 21:03:51	thrig	good thing how technology makes us more productive
2024-07-03 21:08:03	@tomasino	haha
2024-07-03 21:08:09	@tomasino	at least it's easy to set up
2024-07-03 21:08:17	@tomasino	already got it connected back with calibre-web and syncing
2024-07-03 21:14:29	@tomasino	just having the whitelist prevents almost all email complications, honestly
2024-07-03 21:14:48	@tomasino	i don't need to set up dkim or spf or anything. no spam filtering. nada. just postfix and sendmail
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2024-07-04 05:35:35	cyberwolf	gemini.koplugin is actively being developed and you need to constantly monitor updates
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2024-07-08 13:09:54	mhj	Good morning geminauts, even that Gamera lore guy tomasino
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2024-07-08 13:48:03	@tomasino	:P
2024-07-08 13:48:05	@tomasino	hiya alls
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2024-07-08 14:52:33	anthk	hello
2024-07-08 14:52:58	@tomasino	what's new
2024-07-08 14:56:28	anthk	editing some settings for offpunk
2024-07-08 14:56:52	@tomasino	nice!
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2024-07-08 15:54:58	mtm	anyone know of a pure lisp (or forth) implementation of TLS? I'm looking for something I can use to make a gemini server (so the lib really only needs to support the sub-set of functionality that the Gemini protocol needs).  I know there are wrappers around openssl and bearssl, just looking for something I can study in a not C language
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2024-07-08 16:04:36	@tomasino	i'm not aware, but that's a great question
2024-07-08 16:05:10	@tomasino	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_TLS_implementations i think this is the best source i can think of to start checking
2024-07-08 16:05:39	@tomasino	and pretty much everything is C of some flavor
2024-07-08 16:09:18	thrig	a lisp might allow for timing attacks
2024-07-08 16:34:49	anthk	mtm: comon lisp maybe
2024-07-08 16:34:52	anthk	common
2024-07-08 16:38:58	mtm	tomasino: thanks, I'd seen that, and you're right, almost all C-esque stuff.  Not really worried about possible timing attacks, SBCL and Forth can be quite speedy.  Maybe I can start working on some minimal implementation in my copious spare time...
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2024-07-08 17:56:30	mhj	Doesn't emacs use gnutls or something?
2024-07-08 17:58:18	thrig	written in C, Assembly
2024-07-08 17:58:49	anthk	there's a gemini client written in common lisp
2024-07-08 17:59:01	anthk	you need to set quicklisp and just install it
2024-07-08 17:59:14	anthk	it will pull some tls related dependencies
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2024-07-08 19:37:09	mtm	anthk: yes, but the Common Lisp TLS lib just wraps OpenSSL (and an optional other C-lib that I forget the name of)
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2024-07-08 20:58:50	koalillo	there are very few TLS implementations which are not C/C++. I know there's some Rust one
2024-07-08 20:59:03	koalillo	but no one really wants to reimplement crypto in any language...
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2024-07-09 00:59:13	slondr	I think that and the Java implementation are the only tls libraries that aren't C or just bindings to a C library 
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2024-07-09 01:39:57	amby	ie. not c bindings
2024-07-09 01:42:39	slondr	ah, yeah
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2024-07-10 18:08:19	cyberwolf	 gemini://telescope-browser.org/
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2024-07-10 18:23:52	cyberwolf	https://ftp.omarpolo.com/
2024-07-10 18:24:05	cyberwolf	last telescope-0.10.1.tar.gz
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2024-07-10 18:52:07	anthk	the same with telescope
2024-07-10 19:02:54	rkta	odd interface... it's the only natural one ;)
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2024-07-12 01:45:49	slondr	wat's up with antenna
2024-07-12 01:47:19	slondr	seems like only my log and tilde.club/~winter's is up on it, is that supposed to be?
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2024-07-12 06:17:22	ew0k	,tell slondr I just noticed too... I have no idea what's going on but I'm about to have a look
2024-07-12 06:22:37	ew0k	definitely not
2024-07-12 06:22:40	ew0k	something is wrong
2024-07-12 06:23:03	ew0k	only 3 gemlogs there... this makes no sense
2024-07-12 06:26:00	ew0k	it doesn't seem to parse atom feeds anymore
2024-07-12 06:30:43	ew0k	Shit... I merged a PR without checking it as thoroughly as I should. 
2024-07-12 06:31:44	ew0k	or rather I pulled it into the antenna folder instead of the antenna-dev folder :(
2024-07-12 06:37:47	ew0k	I really f***ed up 😔
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2024-07-13 20:26:45	ew0k	errrrhhh.... how the hell was the listed title of my last post changed to "lol" on Antenna?? 
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2024-07-14 11:22:47	anthk	I might port my gopher blog to gemini, but I don't know how to start
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2024-07-14 11:45:59	@tomasino	moving it or dual serving
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2024-07-14 18:36:46	ew0k	I like to move it move it. I like to move it move it *vibes*
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2024-07-14 18:53:07	alexlehm	anthk: what is your source text? if you have plain text, it might work as gemtext with minimal changes
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2024-07-14 19:10:32	anthk	alexlehm: at gopher://texto-plano.xyz
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2024-07-14 19:14:23	alexlehm	if you copy the files over to the gemini dir and keep them as .txt, it will work, you only need to create a index.gmi file for the overview
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2024-07-14 19:51:03	anthk	ah, nice
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2024-07-15 04:14:10	ew0k	You could set your gemini dir to the same as your gopher dir and have directory listing on in your gemini server
2024-07-15 04:14:46	ew0k	That's the bare minimum of work and definitely a simple start
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2024-07-15 06:28:59	ew0k	WTF??? someone made a copy of the Antenna atom feed and submitted it to Antenna
2024-07-15 06:30:51	ew0k	Nothing parses except the farkle feed. 😭
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2024-07-15 06:32:18	ew0k	actually it does parse if submitted in their respective feeds
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2024-07-15 06:34:21	ew0k	GAH! The atom feed is formatted in a way that the python feedparser lib can't handle
2024-07-15 06:42:05	ew0k	This was done on purpose. Who is gemini://gemlog.blue/users/anteater/ ?
2024-07-15 06:51:45	rkta	yo doug
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2024-07-15 07:01:50	ew0k	rkta: hm?
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2024-07-15 07:06:39	rkta	yo doug, I put a feed your feed
2024-07-15 07:06:46	rkta	it's an old meme
2024-07-15 07:07:22	rkta	But it's an interesting experiment. I like breaking things.
2024-07-15 07:17:26	ew0k	rkta: was it you who did it?
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2024-07-15 07:30:31	rkta	ew0k: no
2024-07-15 07:35:48	ew0k	rkta: ty for not doing it 😆
2024-07-15 07:54:42	rkta	anteater showed you a bug in your tool, shouldn't you thank him for doing it?
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2024-07-15 08:30:05	ew0k	No. Others have showed me bugs before. Anteater could have exposed the bug in a much less destructive way, and contacted me about it. As others have done.
2024-07-15 08:30:34	ew0k	This wasn't that. This was plain abuse
2024-07-15 08:39:56	rkta	assuming it was his intention to break things
2024-07-15 08:50:21	ew0k	it must have been. Otherwise 1) they wouldn't have done it twice, 2) they would've restored it, and/or 3) they would've contacted me
2024-07-15 08:50:38	ew0k	lots of other people contacted me about it
2024-07-15 08:50:58	ew0k	I've gotten five or six emails from people wondering why Antenna is broken
2024-07-15 08:51:33	ew0k	I really appreciate people emailing me like that, because I'm not on gemini every day.
2024-07-15 08:53:37	rkta	If they could do it twice, you didn't fix the bug. ;) But I understand your anger, would be nicer to contact. I'd be upset, too, I guess.
2024-07-15 08:53:56	ew0k	if anteater just wanted to joke around and show the bug he could've targeted one user (me) and contacted me about it and we could laugh together. That's how it usually goes, after all. Now they decided to troll me (which was honestly quite funny, but they should have contacted me about it), and then wipe the feed
2024-07-15 08:54:23	ew0k	I didn't have time to investigate it and fix, because there was another bug that I spent that time on :)
2024-07-15 08:54:38	ew0k	Not sure I would consider this a bug. An exploit, but not a bug.
2024-07-15 08:54:55	rkta	If you can exploit it, it has a bug.
2024-07-15 08:55:16	ew0k	And I'm not upset, tbh. Not amused, but not upset
2024-07-15 08:56:10	ew0k	well, that's semantics. In this case the code behaved as intended; I'd just never considered that it could be abused this way. Hence my reluctance to call it a bug :) But definitely needs to be mitigated!
2024-07-15 08:56:20	ew0k	(and I'm working on that as we speak)
2024-07-15 08:57:13	rkta	as intended? It was your plan that the service could be interrupted by a troll? :D
2024-07-15 08:57:25	rkta	I get what you mean, just joking.
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2024-07-15 09:14:14	thelounge83	do we have a python library like requests for gemini protocol
2024-07-15 09:22:41	ew0k	rkta: :D
2024-07-15 09:23:22	ew0k	thelounge83: I wrote and use this: https://notabug.org/tinyrabbit/gemcall
2024-07-15 09:28:54	ew0k	I believe I have a fix now. If someone would like to try to abuse gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna-dev/ then feel free and please share your findings with me :)
2024-07-15 09:29:08	ew0k	not gonna ship it until I've tested it a bit more
2024-07-15 09:34:36	ew0k	It's actually a pretty good fix, if I may say so myself. Includes some clean up of the code, greater separation of concern, and an actually correct way of parsing URLs
2024-07-15 09:43:00	thelounge83	ew0k; Thank you I was finding exactly this :D
2024-07-15 09:43:18	thelounge83	however I wonder if I can send some data to the gemin website using this tool
2024-07-15 09:45:46	ew0k	thelounge83: posting data over gemini is done through the QUERY_STRING of a URL. "gemcall -u gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/submit?Hello%20World" posts the string "Hello World" to the given URL, for example
2024-07-15 09:46:01	ew0k	It should be per cent encoded
2024-07-15 09:46:09	thelounge83	I see
2024-07-15 09:46:29	thelounge83	however to do so I have to reverse engineer the urls.
2024-07-15 09:46:31	thelounge83	hmm
2024-07-15 09:46:40	ew0k	how do you mean?
2024-07-15 09:47:03	thelounge83	I mean how do i know that I have to make request at "/submit" and not "/sub"
2024-07-15 09:47:13	thelounge83	it would be vary site to site no?
2024-07-15 09:47:41	ew0k	oh, yeah. On Antenna there are several different endpoints that take a QUERY_STRING
2024-07-15 09:48:07	thelounge83	maybe amfora has something to print those url
2024-07-15 09:48:34	ew0k	the client can't know if a query string is expected without calling the URL first
2024-07-15 09:48:50	thelounge83	I see
2024-07-15 09:49:00	ew0k	if you get a response code of 10 or 11 the server expects a query string on that path
2024-07-15 09:49:04	thelounge83	there should be a way to print all the URL amfora is trying to request
2024-07-15 09:49:47	ew0k	your browsing history?
2024-07-15 09:50:04	thelounge83	yeah, kinda but including those query url too
2024-07-15 09:50:32	ew0k	yeah, that'd probably vary by browser
2024-07-15 09:50:50	thelounge83	I see
2024-07-15 09:51:08	ew0k	it's probably easier to just make a call in your program and handle a response code of 10 or 11
2024-07-15 09:52:07	thelounge83	so I can make a python script which request a page and if it's getting 10 or 11 that means I have to get a query url somehow
2024-07-15 09:52:12	ew0k	you'll also have to handle redirects (30 and 31)
2024-07-15 09:52:36	ew0k	that means you'll have to call it again with a query string, yeah
2024-07-15 09:52:43	ew0k	what is it you want to make?
2024-07-15 09:52:52	thelounge83	there should be a bot in this IRC channel which print the meaning of those gemini request code something like "!code 30"
2024-07-15 09:53:21	thelounge83	ew0k: I want to be able to read and post to bbs from my IRC channel
2024-07-15 09:54:17	ew0k	in that case you could save the URLs that need a query string in your IRC bot, I guess
2024-07-15 09:54:31	ew0k	unless they change. If they do I assume there's a pattern you can match
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2024-07-15 09:55:10	thelounge83	that's a good idea
2024-07-15 09:56:00	thelounge83	I often forget to browse gemini because I get busy with my life and forget about this awesome niche thing exists
2024-07-15 09:56:12	ew0k	same :)
2024-07-15 09:56:29	thelounge83	I was delighted when I visited the bbs and it was still active after almost 6 months
2024-07-15 09:56:50	ew0k	it's amazing how active the community still is, imho
2024-07-15 09:57:01	thelounge83	yeah :D
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2024-07-15 17:18:19	ew0k	I believe I've mitigated that particular exploit/bug now
2024-07-15 17:20:02	lupine	i'm assume that's how I ended up with an antenna entry about gollum's penis
2024-07-15 17:20:05	lupine	assuming*
2024-07-15 17:23:31	ew0k	lupine: lol. That was a legit entry, I believe
2024-07-15 17:24:15	lupine	I was quite disappointed when the feed title didn't match the article title
2024-07-15 17:51:30	ew0k	it didn't? Then it might have been a victim of the abuse
2024-07-15 17:53:16	ew0k	yeah, you're right
2024-07-15 17:58:05	ew0k	alright! I think it's all better now.
2024-07-15 17:59:30	ew0k	better URL parsing in general. Now works even when scheme is missing, and only ingests entries from the same netloc (TLD) as the feed they come from
2024-07-15 18:01:13	ew0k	This feels like a hack: https://notabug.org/tinyrabbit/gemini-antenna/src/master/URLHelper.py#L61
2024-07-15 18:01:37	ew0k	I don't like having to hard-code it to a specific scheme like that
2024-07-15 18:02:05	ew0k	but urllib.parse.urlparse can't deal with a URL that doesn't have a scheme
2024-07-15 18:03:05	lupine	GEMINI://example.com
2024-07-15 18:04:11	ew0k	nope. That won't work XD
2024-07-15 18:04:26	lupine	whoever decided computers should be so complicated
2024-07-15 18:04:48	ew0k	yeah. Don't like that person
2024-07-15 18:05:32	ew0k	urllib.parse.urlparse("warmedal.se") ----> ParseResult(scheme='', netloc='', path='warmedal.se', params='', query='', fragment='')
2024-07-15 18:05:39	ew0k	FAIL!
2024-07-15 18:06:17	ew0k	I don't understand why it puts everything in path
2024-07-15 18:06:31	ew0k	It should be pretty obvious that it's a netloc
2024-07-15 18:07:14	ew0k	urllib.parse.urlparse("gemini://warmedal.se") -----> ParseResult(scheme='gemini', netloc='warmedal.se', path='', params='', query='', fragment='')
2024-07-15 18:08:48	ew0k	I think that first one (warmedal.se) should result in ParseResult(scheme='', netloc='warmedal.se', path='/', params='', query='', fragment='')
2024-07-15 18:09:15	ew0k	I guess the path *could* be empty...
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2024-07-15 18:48:41	epoch	I see someone actually requesting my gemini server through its onion address.
2024-07-15 18:49:20	epoch	so, /join #comfy
2024-07-15 18:49:24	epoch	derp
2024-07-15 18:49:41	epoch	ignore these last 3 lines.
2024-07-15 18:52:15	epoch	=> domain-or-dos-executable.com
2024-07-15 18:53:35	epoch	=> domain-or-archive.zip
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2024-07-15 18:56:10	epoch	though, I have my own URL parser expecting a string to be a domain if there's no other hints
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2024-07-15 19:04:10	epoch	their parser seems to be try to do two things at once
2024-07-15 19:04:52	epoch	it makes sense to have a url parser return a path when there's no other data, if the parser is being used for anything you'd put into a link
2024-07-15 19:05:56	epoch	but there's also a "base URL" that should be getting taken into consideration, and converting the links from relative to absolute URLs should be a step
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2024-07-15 22:42:50	dozens	https://git.sr.ht/~sotirisp/kindleto
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2024-07-16 05:35:42	cyberwolf	dozens:  1 year, 10 months ago
2024-07-16 05:35:45	cyberwolf	master v0.6.2
2024-07-16 05:36:36	cyberwolf	gemini://gemini.thegonz.net/gemini.koplugin/
2024-07-16 05:38:12	cyberwolf	but I bookmarked it thanks
2024-07-16 05:44:10	cyberwolf	dozens: https://dillo-browser.github.io/ dillo-plugin-gemini
2024-07-16 05:44:55	cyberwolf	https://dillo-browser.github.io/gallery/img/kindle.jpg
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2024-07-16 08:26:27	ew0k	cyberwolf: beautiful
2024-07-16 08:27:09	ew0k	I have a kobo reader, but I never connect it to the internet. Only add or remove books from it via USB anyway, and do surfing on my phone
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2024-07-16 09:25:13	thelounge83	do we have a gemin/http compatible pastebin?
2024-07-16 09:25:28	thelounge83	it would be cool if we have something like that
2024-07-16 09:25:34	thelounge83	ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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2024-07-16 09:36:45	alexlehm	i did one as a small test
2024-07-16 09:37:06	alexlehm	https://gemini.lehmann.cx/cgi-bin/paste.php
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2024-07-16 10:11:39	thelounge83	alexlehm: thanks
2024-07-16 10:11:52	thelounge83	is there a command line way to paste there like 0x0.st
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2024-07-16 10:12:17	thelounge83	I want to paste the output from inside emacs or terminal so...
2024-07-16 10:23:17	alexlehm	no, there is not, but you can make script easily I guess
2024-07-16 10:26:33	thelounge83	could you provide the end point where I can upload the file?
2024-07-16 10:31:10	alexlehm	the url is gemini://gemini.lehmann.cx/cgi-bin/paste.php?paste_text
2024-07-16 10:31:19	alexlehm	gemini does not do files
2024-07-16 10:42:10	thelounge83	I know, I am trying to upload through http and then view it using gemini
2024-07-16 10:42:14	thelounge83	alexlehm: echo "hello" | curl -F 'file=@-' 'https://gemini.lehmann.cx/cgi-bin/paste.php?paste_text'
2024-07-16 10:42:21	thelounge83	this command returns "bad request"
2024-07-16 10:44:53	alexlehm	i don't  think http with POST works either since gemini does not have post requests
2024-07-16 10:45:41	alexlehm	you need something like curl https://gemini.lehmann.cx/cgi-bin/paste.php?`cat -|sed 's/ /%20/'`
2024-07-16 10:45:48	alexlehm	the request has to be GET
2024-07-16 10:47:09	alexlehm	ok, the redirect does not correctly either, this is an issue with the http gateway i use
2024-07-16 10:48:04	alexlehm	oh, maybe it works
2024-07-16 10:48:11	alexlehm	https://gemini.lehmann.cx/cgi-bin/paste.php/e807237bdeb4e3c7b44cef503533764e
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2024-07-16 11:09:21	thelounge83	Thank you for the explaination :D
2024-07-16 11:09:35	★	thelounge83 have bookmarked alexlehm's site :)
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2024-07-16 13:28:23	alexlehm	ah, the link for the gemini site is gemini://gemini.lehmann.cx/... of course
2024-07-16 14:00:15	mtm	ah, looks like the 2.6 motherboard is well on it's way.  I'll need to amend my rk3588 order to include one.  I can use the original MB and SoC for a home server
2024-07-16 14:12:42	mtm	that librav1e0.7 issue has been fixed, though I did need to run 'apt --fix-missing install' to uncork it
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2024-07-16 14:21:43	mtm	oops, wrong channel.  sorry for the spam :)
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2024-07-16 16:05:30	anthk	good luck wth debian/devuan/ubuntu
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2024-07-16 16:28:09	mhj	https://www.dungeoncontest.com/
2024-07-16 16:28:26	mhj	Would be good for a gemini page
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2024-07-18 11:36:13	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+qo Saint_Tuesday Saint_Tuesday] by team.tilde.chat
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2024-07-18 11:37:16	ℹ 	qq is now known as Guest23614
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2024-07-18 11:45:26	thelounge83	https://geminiprotocol.net/news/2024_06_20.gmi
2024-07-18 11:45:33	thelounge83	in case anyone missed the post
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2024-07-18 12:12:49	@tomasino	:)
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2024-07-18 15:19:28	mhj	Oh no, tomasino is smiling... surely he's planning something insidious!
2024-07-18 15:19:42	@tomasino	muahahahah!
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2024-07-19 05:43:47	cyberwolf	https://github.com/ranfdev/Geopard gemini browser 
2024-07-19 05:46:36	cyberwolf	https://ranfdev.com/projects/geopard/
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2024-07-21 15:39:01	cyberwolf	https://www.linuxlinks.com/best-free-open-source-graphical-gemini-clients/
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2024-07-22 07:08:55	rkta	how do they determine what's 'best'?
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2024-07-22 12:32:55	thelounge83	rkta: it's totally subjective
2024-07-22 12:33:18	thelounge83	however I have seen most people love Lagrange for some reason
2024-07-22 12:33:36	thelounge83	I personally prefer amfora however I don't know how to put new line when posting something
2024-07-22 12:33:37	thelounge83	:/
2024-07-22 12:37:24	rkta	in other words, it's clickbaity bullshit
2024-07-22 12:40:01	sandra	People are free to express their opinions
2024-07-22 12:40:20	sandra	Some people have their favorites
2024-07-22 12:41:00	mio	the link could be helpful for new people faced with a lot of choices from the official list of software
2024-07-22 12:41:29	mio	and just picking from a handful of what other users might consider "best"
2024-07-22 12:41:34	sandra	I agree
2024-07-22 12:41:48	sandra	It's a starting point. Then people can move on from there
2024-07-22 12:42:01	mio	exactly, gets them through the door first ^^
2024-07-22 12:46:56	rkta	I'm not against such articles, but don't call the best if you don't a have metric for what's best. Call it 'clients I like'.
2024-07-22 12:51:39	sandra	vi'onai. If I feel they're the best they're the best!
2024-07-22 12:51:39	sandra	(Although I don't know of any good ones. I love Elaho but it was EOL'd with open security bugs.)
2024-07-22 12:56:15	lupine	presumably the rating has a methodology and one could poke them for details
2024-07-22 12:56:47	lupine	but there will always be subjective elements to ratings even when they are quantified. it's not a big deal
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2024-07-22 13:45:09	NeonNetLag	Setting aside the actual list, it's good to see a new article about gemini being written.
2024-07-22 13:48:48	stephen	It was nice to see some clients I hadn't heard of or used before.
2024-07-22 13:49:50	NeonNetLag	Yeah, I've been looking for a good gtk-based client. Castor seems to be abandoned, and that's the only one I'd found. That being said, I've been pretty happy with elpher in Emacs.
2024-07-22 13:52:06	NeonNetLag	I only came across gemini about a week ago, so I'm very new to it. One thing that I found frustrating was trying to find a good client. The lists I found on places like wikipedia or geminiprotocol.net list _every_ client, with no comments about which ones are abandoned or better than others.
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2024-07-22 13:54:19	rqm	NeonNetLag: Lagrange is amazing, it's the most cross-platform one out there
2024-07-22 13:55:05	rqm	NeonNetLag: there's also a TUI build of it called `clagrange` which is pretty awesome
2024-07-22 13:55:22	rqm	NeonNetLag: on top of that I use offpunk on the command line
2024-07-22 13:55:26	rqm	Try a few!
2024-07-22 13:56:01	NeonNetLag	I'll have to try Lagrange again. That being said, once I found elpher (in Emacs), it felt the most comfortable for me. Probably not the first client you'd want to tell a new user to try, though.
2024-07-22 13:56:38	rqm	Sounds great! Ultimately just use what feels comfy, really!
2024-07-22 13:56:45	NeonNetLag	"So there's this operating system called Emacs that can run on top of most other operating systems. It has a mode called elpher that lets you browse gemini."
2024-07-22 13:56:53	rqm	I'm quite fond of Lagrange because it runs on every system I own
2024-07-22 13:57:07	rqm	haha, yeah, emacs is a wonderful OS I gather
2024-07-22 13:57:26	★	rqm is still coming to grips with nvim
2024-07-22 13:57:49	rqm	Have you launched a capsule yourself?
2024-07-22 13:58:29	NeonNetLag	There was a guy I worked with for about 15 or so years. When I first started there we were on Irix systems, then PCs, then Linux, then Macs. Every time we upgraded he'd just copy his Emacs config over, fire it up, and never open another program.
2024-07-22 13:58:35	lain	lagrange has very good typography
2024-07-22 13:59:17	NeonNetLag	rpm - I got a capsule up and running on https://sr.ht the other day, but need to put more work into it. gemini://marc.huffnagle.net
2024-07-22 14:00:14	rqm	cool! you know i think i came across it
2024-07-22 14:00:49	rqm	ah, possibly through the Old Computer Challenge!
2024-07-22 14:00:59	NeonNetLag	Exactly.
2024-07-22 14:01:17	rqm	how do you deploy a capsule to sourcehut?
2024-07-22 14:02:18	NeonNetLag	It's really easy, it's documented here: gemini://srht.site
2024-07-22 14:06:47	mhj	I do like Elpher in Emacs for Gemini and Gopher
2024-07-22 14:06:58	mhj	Very easy to setup and use
2024-07-22 14:07:52	rqm	NeonNetLag: that's pretty cool. thanks!
2024-07-22 14:09:11	rqm	Hmm, it's not loading tho
2024-07-22 14:10:08	NeonNetLag	Odd, I just opened it.
2024-07-22 14:10:29	rqm	Maybe it doesn't like me :(((((
2024-07-22 14:11:09	rqm	Sometimes I do end up having problems with some servers, because we have a 5G broadband connection and I think some block "cellular" IP ranges
2024-07-22 14:13:40	rqm	ah, no, it was a Lagrange crash actually :D
2024-07-22 14:13:48	rqm	Just as I recommend it...
2024-07-22 14:15:42	NeonNetLag	I've noticed a couple clients having a tendency to crash. amfora has hung on me a few times.
2024-07-22 14:16:07	rqm	honestly this was the first time it happened to me tho
2024-07-22 14:21:58	rqm	right, gotta sign off, will be back on later
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2024-07-22 22:57:18	NeonNetLag	Success! I wrote a Python script that parses all of the .gmi files that make up gemini://marc.huffnagle.net and converts them to html for https://marc.huffnagle.net
2024-07-22 22:58:00	NeonNetLag	So, now I can update my capsule, and it can generate an update to my website, all using static files. No proxy involved.
2024-07-22 22:58:25	NeonNetLag	(I'm sure a lot of other people have done this already, and there are tools for it, but it was a good learning experience. And I like the way it turned out.)
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2024-07-22 23:04:51	amby	nice
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2024-07-22 23:16:45	@tomasino	huzzah!
2024-07-22 23:19:20	lupine	I just have a static redirect to gemini://... :D
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2024-07-23 03:04:55	dikiaap	Hi hi... I'm new to Gemini and still learn new terms in Gemini communities. What is capsule? Is it synonym to website? And Geminispace, is that WWW in Gemini?
2024-07-23 03:11:13	dozens	yep you got it dikiaap. check out https://geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq.gmi#12-does-it-come-with-cool-new-lingo
2024-07-23 03:11:23	dozens	and, welcome to gemini!
2024-07-23 03:13:39	dikiaap	thanks for the link, dozens :)
2024-07-23 03:15:06	dikiaap	I would like to explore the Geminispace! Where do people usually go?
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2024-07-23 05:08:25	epoch	dikiaap: maybe gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/
2024-07-23 05:33:10	epoch	I'd just noticed my konpeito.media backup was broken
2024-07-23 05:33:13	epoch	should be fixed now.
2024-07-23 05:33:53	epoch	also, ew0k, do you want to point your broken konpeito.media link to a backup?
2024-07-23 05:34:10	epoch	the one on gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/recommendations/
2024-07-23 05:35:22	epoch	gemini://konpeito.thebackupbox.net/ my backup of it is here btw
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2024-07-23 05:54:45	dikiaap	thanks epoch. I'll look into it
2024-07-23 06:33:44	ew0k	epoch: I do! Will fix as soon as I can
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2024-07-23 07:34:45	thelounge83	Hello everyone!
2024-07-23 07:35:06	thelounge83	is there a way to check certificate/signature of a gemini capsule in amfora?
2024-07-23 07:35:30	thelounge83	I want to manually check the signature that way I could make sure that it's the capsule which I think it is
2024-07-23 07:46:18	lupine	dunno, but you can always openssl s_client -connect <host>:<port>
2024-07-23 08:18:58	ew0k	thelounge83: you can only make sure it's the capsule you think it is if you've visited it before and can compare with that signature
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2024-07-23 08:40:06	thelounge83	ew0k: or I could request the cert from the server owner through mail or something.
2024-07-23 08:40:38	thelounge83	eg, I would request cert of bbs.geminispace.org through email and then compare the cert from my pc and check if the certificate matches
2024-07-23 08:40:40	ew0k	thelounge83: yeah, that's of course possible
2024-07-23 08:41:26	thelounge83	Thank you lupine ew0k for clarifying :)
2024-07-23 08:42:05	ew0k	Yw 🙂
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2024-07-23 19:45:27	vort3	What's the usual search engine / indexer in Gemini now? I think the one I was using got shut down a month or two ago.
2024-07-23 19:48:40	epoch	_     _
2024-07-23 19:48:43	epoch	 \o_O/
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2024-07-23 19:56:06	vort3	||     ∧ ﾍ　 ||
2024-07-23 19:56:06	vort3	||    (  ´ ｰ`)     ｡°(zzz)
2024-07-23 19:56:06	vort3	|ﾉ^⌒⌒づ`￣  ＼
2024-07-23 19:56:06	vort3	(　ノ　　⌒ ヽ ＼
2024-07-23 19:56:07	vort3	＼　　||￣￣￣￣￣||
2024-07-23 19:56:10	vort3	　 ＼,ﾉ||
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2024-07-23 21:58:38	dozens	vort3: GUS isn't up any more i don't think. i use kennedy. gemini://kennedy.gemi.dev/
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2024-07-24 00:57:20	singletona082	Hello Hello.
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2024-07-24 01:55:25	NeonNetLag	Does anyone have a go-to Gemini browser for the Mac? Other than elpher, of course.
2024-07-24 01:56:42	lain	NeonNetLag: lagrange
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2024-07-24 02:17:42	dozens	+1 lagrange
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2024-07-24 02:26:58	singletona082	NeonNetLag apologies no. I mostly use Lagrange.
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2024-07-24 02:35:26	epoch	what kind of user-share does lagrange have now? I expect at least 50%
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2024-07-24 03:27:59	singletona082	Unknown, but I'm glad other options exist even though I prefer Lagrange. More options are better. Prevents a single browser from dictating standards.
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2024-07-24 04:27:16	thrig	not that there's a lot of standards velocity
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2024-07-24 05:42:18	dikiaap	I personally using Amfora. It's a TUI program and the keybindings are easy to remember. https://0x0.st/XpvE.png
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2024-07-24 05:56:23	thelounge83	dikiaap: I seconds this!
2024-07-24 05:56:40	thelounge83	however one thing I don't like amfora that you can't insert newline when submitting a form
2024-07-24 05:56:41	thelounge83	:/
2024-07-24 05:57:04	thelounge83	I tried "\n" but that didn't work either
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2024-07-24 07:25:21	epoch	a
2024-07-24 07:26:02	epoch	typing something into the wrong spot and pressing enter seems kind of like a sneeze.
2024-07-24 07:26:25	★	epoch sanitizes hands and goes to bed
2024-07-24 07:43:50	alexlehm	vort3, I made a list of search engines I found, gemini://gemini.lehmann.cx/searchengines.gmi
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2024-07-24 09:28:50	vort3	Also, +1 for lagrange (I don't have a mac but use lagrange everywhere and love it).
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2024-07-24 11:51:36	singletona082	Not sure how silly this question sounds, but how do you get a text entry field on a gemini site? 
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2024-07-24 14:30:48	mhj	Good morning geminauts
2024-07-24 14:31:15	alexlehm	you send an input needed response (10)
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2024-07-24 14:36:45	@tomasino	mo'nin!
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2024-07-24 17:30:44	dozens	i've been reading a lot more gopher too since lagrange added support
2024-07-24 17:32:11	dozens	singletona082: check out around here-ish: https://geminiprotocol.net/docs/protocol-specification.gmi#input-expected
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2024-07-24 18:03:38	singletona082	I'm ratherglad lagrange added support. I... GENUINELY dislike Gopher, but that's largely a matter of trying to hand do a gopher site and 'uuugh.' Still, glad gopher exists because itis the infinite hole everything falls down.
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2024-07-24 18:52:26	dozens	gopher is pretty ugly. but i like it just fine :)
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2024-07-24 19:19:05	mhj	I don't have a problem with gopher myself, just writing it is kinda pain sometimes lol
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2024-07-24 21:39:07	ew0k	I really dislike hard wrapped text, and I once made the mistake of looking at a gopher map in a text editor...
2024-07-24 21:50:40	singletona082	Yeeeaaa ot
2024-07-24 21:51:21	singletona082	It's.... a mess. I mean it's DOABLE, but like you. I hate hard line wrapping, because it is very easy to make things look wonky and hard to read.
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2024-07-24 22:06:22	epoch	just gotta set the tab stops in your editor to wider than all the things in the fields :P
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2024-07-25 08:56:55	koalillo	my blog is a dual www and gemini site. I'm considering adding a link to site:mydomain in DuckDuckGo to provide easy search of it. any recommendations for a Geminispace alternative? something where a visitor could search on a specific capsule (domain search is enough for me)
2024-07-25 09:11:29	dikiaap	koalillo: gemini://kennedy.gemi.dev/search?site:tilde.team ?
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2024-07-25 10:04:45	koalillo	oh, that's close, but if I link to that... I can't grok how to do a new search on the site there
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2024-07-25 14:39:35	@tomasino	i love me some gopher, can't lie. it's so totally inappropriate for a world of phones and i love that. just stay weird and be yourself, gopher
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2024-07-25 15:12:05	ℹ 	Mode #gemini [+qoo Saint_Tuesday Saint_Tuesday benharri] by newhub.tilde.chat
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2024-07-25 20:00:37	dozens	koalillo: link pls!
2024-07-25 20:02:05	dozens	what i love about gopher is how abused it is. gophermaps aren't supposed to support any of the rad stuff people do to them.
2024-07-25 20:07:47	singletona082	I have a feeling had Gopher not died it would have ended up adopting some of Gemini's featureset. MIME types and line wrap. It wouldn't have BEEN gemini butit would have grown. As is we're looking at a weekend project that has kept soldiering on for three decades.
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2024-07-25 22:10:39	mhj	If SDF is still around, gopher isn't gonna die lol
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2024-07-26 03:38:54	plugd	gopher aint dead
2024-07-26 03:40:13	thrig	it took but a flesh wound
2024-07-26 03:42:44	plugd	;)
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2024-07-26 07:14:33	koalillo	dozens: link to...? my capsule is in Spanish, anyway :D
2024-07-26 08:07:58	alexlehm	gopher got on life support when web took off but it has some pulse still
2024-07-26 08:08:37	alexlehm	i remember when you actually switch between web, gopher and ftp to get different documents and files
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2024-07-28 23:48:46	singletona082	Anyone here familiar with the molly brown server?
2024-07-28 23:49:10	alexlehm	yes, i use that for my site
2024-07-28 23:49:21	alexlehm	or sortof at least
2024-07-28 23:51:34	singletona082	i'm looking at the git and 'can put header/footers on gemini sites'?
2024-07-29 00:00:43	alexlehm	i don't think it has any features for footers/headers, but you can do that with a cgi if you need to
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2024-07-29 00:06:38	singletona082	I can't as admin disabled scripting.
2024-07-29 00:07:16	lupine	#include "../template/header.gmi"
2024-07-29 00:07:24	lupine	then run it through the c preprocessor 
2024-07-29 00:07:34	lupine	life is suffer
2024-07-29 00:11:20	alexlehm	probably would not use the c preprocessor, but you can e.g. use pandoc for example
2024-07-29 00:12:59	alexlehm	or maybe a ssg
2024-07-29 00:13:04	alexlehm	like hugo
2024-07-29 00:13:16	lupine	aye, lots of options
2024-07-29 00:15:06	alexlehm	yes, true
2024-07-29 00:16:29	lupine	weirdly, the preprocessor feels gemini-y to me
2024-07-29 00:16:57	lupine	tempted to try to swap out kiln for it
2024-07-29 00:20:38	singletona082	uuuh... what?
2024-07-29 00:20:41	singletona082	preprocessor?
2024-07-29 00:24:47	lupine	gcc -E
2024-07-29 00:25:29	lupine	probably not the right option if it's not familiar
2024-07-29 00:29:16	singletona082	i mostly like gemini because 'oh it's human writeable with a text editor'
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2024-07-29 00:52:39	dozens	m4
2024-07-29 00:52:41	dozens	>:)
2024-07-29 01:01:10	lain	i wonder if anyone's written a full site using the c preprocessor as a templating engine
2024-07-29 01:04:59	lain	omg macros work
2024-07-29 01:05:02	lain	this is such a good idea
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2024-07-29 03:03:53	dozens	> The C preprocessor is intended to be used only with C, C++, and Objective-C source code. In the past, it has been abused as a general text processor. It will choke on input which does not obey C’s lexical rules.
2024-07-29 03:04:09	dozens	>  If all else fails, try a true general text processor, such as GNU M4. 
2024-07-29 03:04:49	dozens	(just reading up on cpp haha)
2024-07-29 03:06:19	dozens	i messed around with it before
2024-07-29 03:06:21	dozens	https://tiny.tilde.website/deck/@dozens/111132490581409219
2024-07-29 03:06:29	dozens	but i never tried defining macro functions..
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2024-07-29 04:00:45	lain	it actually works pretty well
2024-07-29 04:00:47	lain	https://share.riseup.net/#kLWIXiSMdnlYBvE-YiMXzg
2024-07-29 04:05:44	lain	if i use the preprocessor as a library, i guess i could probably dynamically generate html in a web server
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2024-07-29 07:31:00	koalillo	if anyone wants to use a "true old UNIX templating engine", you can try m4. I actually did a small thing using m4 at my previous job
2024-07-29 07:31:08	koalillo	but I don't recommend m4 to anyone (unless they want to suffer)
2024-07-29 07:38:33	alexlehm	maybe php would work to do macro processing to create static files
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2024-07-29 07:43:15	koalillo	PHP is a bit unpleasant wrt. to whitespace. although, to be fair, most stuff that works for this doesn't care too much about whitespace
2024-07-29 07:45:19	alexlehm	i have done a few cgi programs in php which worked ok since gemini is mostly lineoriented, so you can wrap everything in ?>(lf)text(lf)<?php to get the formatting
2024-07-29 07:47:13	alexlehm	for dynamic pages though
2024-07-29 07:48:57	koalillo	yeah, you can get it to work. and I don't know of many templating stuff that handles whitespace nicely
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2024-07-29 16:17:33	dozens	my blog is m4
2024-07-29 16:17:44	dozens	https://github.com/chrisman/m4-blog
2024-07-29 16:19:11	@tomasino	i love m4
2024-07-29 16:19:24	@tomasino	what a fun little template engine to abuse
2024-07-29 16:20:00	dozens	this is really neat lain !
2024-07-29 16:20:28	dozens	m4 occupies that special space for me where, i really love it, but it's a pain to work with and i don't necessarily recommend it haha
2024-07-29 16:20:59	dozens	i use it for little macro expansions in nearly everything i do. but if you ever need to program logic in it then, ugh.
2024-07-29 16:22:04	@tomasino	i actually used it on a work site i built so i could drop in headers & footers globally. really low-effort stuff
2024-07-29 16:22:16	dozens	i use it a lot in creative writing to make a macro for VILLAIN_NAME or FOREST_LOCATION in case i want to change their names or something later.
2024-07-29 16:22:34	dozens	oh yeah a handy include(`file') is top notch
2024-07-29 16:28:35	koalillo	oh, I hadn't spotted the earlier recommendation for m4
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2024-07-29 16:51:17	rkta	m4 is nice, I also use it for my website.
2024-07-29 16:51:48	rkta	dozens: It's not only part of core utils, it's part of POSIX. That's one reason why you find it nearly everywhere.
2024-07-29 16:52:26	dozens	indeed
2024-07-29 16:54:12	dozens	after i wrote a blog post about m4, i got a random email from somebody who used to use it when they used to work at bell labs back in the day. that was really cool.
2024-07-29 16:54:51	rkta	cool, what did they use it for?
2024-07-29 17:01:11	dozens	they didn't say specifically. just that the worked at bell labs for 20 years and enjoyed getting "all the good stuff before the public did"
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2024-07-29 21:18:59	piusbird	ok gemanuats i finally have the brain space to start worrying about serving my blog ober gem, is there a reccomended way to convert a zola site
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2024-07-29 22:05:36	dozens	are the posts stored in markdown?
2024-07-29 22:05:51	dozens	i think there are markdown -> gemtext converters out there
2024-07-29 22:09:43	dozens	wait zola the wedding website??
2024-07-29 22:10:05	dozens	ah, getzola.org vs zola.com
2024-07-29 22:10:07	dozens	awkward
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2024-07-29 22:44:43	tildebeast1	guess there's room in the market for a wedding-themed static site generator
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2024-07-30 00:11:37	lain	i got the c preprecessor working as a template engine, w/ dynamic html generation
2024-07-30 00:12:36	lain	https://light.fish-ilish.ts.net/ demo
2024-07-30 00:12:48	lain	dozens: ^ in case you were interested
2024-07-30 00:28:27	lain	here is the source https://git.sr.ht/~bbbb/funtemplates/tree/67c2f86f1fcc24dc62e0741ea93c56a5b72c0649
2024-07-30 00:32:15	dozens	awesome lain!
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2024-07-30 01:37:06	lain	thx!
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2024-07-30 04:57:10	rkta	dozens: btw, the 'Like so' links on your m4 blog post are borked. I get 404 on both of them.
2024-07-30 05:01:56	cyberwolf	https://github.com/mbrubeck/agate/releases/tag/v3.3.8
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2024-07-30 05:26:21	cyberwolf	https://github.com/omar-polo/gmid  Has anyone installed it at their?
2024-07-30 06:15:14	ghodawalaaman	guys can I host gemini capsule without a domain?
2024-07-30 06:15:24	ghodawalaaman	something like gemini://1.1.1.1/index.gmi
2024-07-30 06:15:29	ghodawalaaman	would that work?
2024-07-30 06:42:19	ew0k	ghodawalaaman: absolutely. Put the IP adress as the common name on the cert, because some clients (wrongfully) check that
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2024-07-30 07:08:00	ghodawalaaman	ew0k: I see thanks 
2024-07-30 07:10:56	ew0k	yw :)
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2024-07-30 07:50:11	alexlehm	ew0k: the san attribute has a IP address type, the common name is not checked usually
2024-07-30 07:50:33	alexlehm	like make the cert my-cool-gemini and put ip4:1.2.3.4 into the SAN
2024-07-30 07:50:46	ew0k	alexlehm: the common name *should not* be checked, but a lot of older clients do check it :)
2024-07-30 07:51:17	alexlehm	yes, i know, think one gemini client did that wrong and that confused me bigtime when i tried to debug it
2024-07-30 07:52:01	alexlehm	like i had gemini.mydomain as common name and alias.mydomain as SAN and then only the alias worked without warning
2024-07-30 07:52:18	ew0k	there was a misconception going around in the early days where clients tried to verify certs based on common name and not-valid-before/not-valid-after because people thought that those things mattered
2024-07-30 07:53:02	ew0k	in a self-signed cert they don't (only the pubkey is interesting) but a lot of old clients still try the old way
2024-07-30 07:56:24	ew0k	gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/your-gemini-browser-and-server-are-probably-doing-certificates-wrong.gmi
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2024-07-30 14:06:52	mhj	Morning all~
2024-07-30 14:08:03	Meskunk	morning
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2024-07-30 16:18:13	dozens	thanks for letting me know rkta, i'll take a look
2024-07-30 16:32:34	dozens	there we go, fixed :)
2024-07-30 16:32:36	dozens	thanks!
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2024-07-30 16:42:57	rkta	np
2024-07-30 16:43:37	★	rkta deploys his sites from a CI pipeline and a linkchecker stage to ensure all links are still valid
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2024-07-30 16:58:26	lain	rkta: wow that's a really good idea
2024-07-30 16:58:31	lain	i should probably set that up sometime
2024-07-30 17:02:10	dozens	that's neat
2024-07-30 17:03:09	rkta	lain: Unfortunately I don't have a solution for gemini. I generate my capsule from my website and only check the web links.
2024-07-30 17:04:21	lain	its kind of hacky, but maybe using a gmi to html thing and checking that would work?
2024-07-30 17:06:46	lain	or even just a regex to put all the links in a elements might be enough.
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2024-07-30 17:09:07	rkta	just be straight forward to write your own link checker for gemini
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2024-07-30 17:28:06	rkta	I would just make a connection, check if it returns 20 and stop reading afterwards. I case of a redirection one could also tell the new location.
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2024-07-30 19:43:22	lupine	Hah, I thought I was going to get a zero-downtime physical move of the APU2
2024-07-30 19:43:44	lupine	But the CMOS battery had blown and rattled around inside the case, presumably shorting things
2024-07-30 19:43:54	epoch	._.
2024-07-30 19:43:57	lupine	Never had that happen before
2024-07-30 19:44:39	lupine	Lthe apu2 is fine, but it won't keep time across reboots any more, which is a bit of an issue for DNS setup
2024-07-30 19:44:45	epoch	never heard of that happening before
2024-07-30 19:45:08	epoch	(the explody cmos battery)
2024-07-30 19:45:39	lupine	https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/exploded-lr44.621401/
2024-07-30 19:45:43	lupine	Seems to be a thing
2024-07-30 19:45:46	epoch	time (heh) to setup ntp?
2024-07-30 19:46:10	lupine	NTP is set up, but it relies on DNS to correct the time
2024-07-30 19:46:39	lupine	I need to dig into why unbound fails when the time is wrong ^^
2024-07-30 19:47:00	lupine	The older I get, the more I hate computers
2024-07-30 19:47:53	epoch	yeah. I started leaving my computer off during the weekends.
2024-07-30 19:58:06	lupine	oh well. mission accomplished here - the wifi signal now reaches to all parts of the house 
2024-07-30 19:58:14	lupine	including the garden room :D
2024-07-30 20:04:45	epoch	yay gardens
2024-07-30 20:08:43	dozens	has anybody here been watching gbryant's work on building a physical gemini dedicated device?
2024-07-30 20:08:48	dozens	gemini://gbryant.co.uk/gemlog/2024-05-18_gemini-reader.gmi
2024-07-30 20:08:53	dozens	https://hackers.town/@gbrnt/112430228373039814
2024-07-30 20:08:59	dozens	pretty cool stuff
2024-07-30 20:26:35	mhj	That is so cool
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2024-07-30 20:56:24	dozens	i love all the keyboard / entry work
2024-07-30 20:59:15	epoch	neat
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2024-07-31 05:06:21	cyberwolf	https://www.youtube.com/embed/T-lcBenU9fI
2024-07-31 05:06:54	cyberwolf	https://liliputing.com/zerowriter-ink-is-an-open-source-word-processor-with-an-e-ink-display-and-a-mechanical-keyboard-crowdfunding/
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2024-07-31 05:14:45	cyberwolf	Astrobotany is down
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2024-07-31 06:11:38	ew0k	:(
2024-07-31 06:11:59	ew0k	can someone email mozz about it? I can't right now
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2024-07-31 06:13:32	ew0k	looks to be working now, actually
2024-07-31 06:16:18	ew0k	cyberwolf: I can't help but wonder how much those devices are actually used once acquired. And who buys them. $200+ for a device that only does one very specific thing sounds a bit much
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2024-07-31 11:31:23	stephen	I've easily spent more than that building various iterations of that. And I use mine weekly.
2024-07-31 11:33:49	stephen	Wow, he's using a lot of the stuff I did in his progression video.
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2024-07-31 12:06:42	ew0k	stephen: what do you use it for?
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2024-07-31 12:15:36	stephen	Writing and editing source.
2024-07-31 12:18:29	stephen	And reading Gemini...
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2024-07-31 23:02:59	ajal	don't just clip libraries together and call it a day
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2024-08-02 04:01:28	dikiaap	Astrobotany is down again? :(
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2024-08-02 05:24:57	ghodawalaaman	dikiaap: what is Astrobotany? could you give me the link to it?
2024-08-02 05:28:47	thrig	gemini://astrobotany.mozz.us/
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2024-08-02 07:53:43	carlomonte	yes, astrobotany is intermittently off and on
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2024-08-02 08:38:56	ew0k	:(
2024-08-02 08:39:45	ew0k	mozz is the only one who can run the server software. It's open source, but his setup is kinnda weird. I've tried to run it locally to test changes a few times but haven't succeeded
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2024-08-02 09:03:54	epoch	that sounds like a fun challenge
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2024-08-02 13:02:22	vort3	What exactly is weird about the setup, ew0k ?
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2024-08-02 14:19:01	bard	is there still any http gemini proxy thing running? I see the old circumlunar whatever site redirects to geminiprotocol.net
2024-08-02 14:22:04	cyberwolf	https://gem.any-key.press/?url=gemini%3A%2F%2Fbyzoni.org
2024-08-02 14:24:59	bard	thank you!
2024-08-02 14:25:47	bard	uh it totally chokes on sdf.org for some reason
2024-08-02 14:26:41	bard	I'm searching my shell history trying to find various gemini sites I visited in the past and seems the vast majority are dead now...
2024-08-02 14:28:36	cyberwolf	are quite possible
2024-08-02 14:31:35	bard	>Error code explanation: HTTPStatus.INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR - No proxying to other hosts or ports!.
2024-08-02 14:31:46	bard	does the site you linked me only work for that one single site or something?
2024-08-02 14:31:49	bard	nothing else works in it
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2024-08-02 14:42:33	cyberwolf	https://gem.any-key.press/?url=gemini%3A%2F%2Fwarmedal.se%2F%7Eantenna%2F
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2024-08-02 14:42:44	cyberwolf	gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/ 
2024-08-02 14:42:53	cyberwolf	go
2024-08-02 14:43:29	cyberwolf	gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/
2024-08-02 14:45:47	cyberwolf	the link was not correct, there was an extra space
2024-08-02 14:48:36	bard	I don't get it. this site seems incredibly broken for me
2024-08-02 14:48:41	bard	I have seen one or two out of many things work
2024-08-02 14:48:58	bard	can you not just put any gemini url in the box and go there? 
2024-08-02 14:49:14	bard	like why does sdf.org not load on it
2024-08-02 14:50:34	bard	I was gonna find a proxy someone could add to their IRC bot to post when someone posts a gemini link but this one is too broken to be useful
2024-08-02 14:50:38	bard	sadly not really finding any othersm
2024-08-02 14:54:34	cyberwolf	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/sdf.org/
2024-08-02 14:54:38	cyberwolf	work
2024-08-02 14:55:13	cyberwolf	but for some reason it doesn't work there
2024-08-02 14:56:12	cyberwolf	https://git.sr.ht/~bbbb/gemini-rss-http
2024-08-02 14:58:38	mio	https://gp.vern.cc/gemini/sdf.org can be used to browse, but maybe check with admin before adding it to a bot
2024-08-02 15:01:40	bard	ah nice
2024-08-02 15:03:20	bard	why does stuff keep giving me an error >Error 53: No proxying to other hosts or ports!
2024-08-02 15:03:41	bard	I'm just trying to sanity check that this will work for all sites
2024-08-02 15:04:00	bard	I haven't really used gemini in a few years, maybe this is some fundamental thing
2024-08-02 15:05:52	bard	wait is this specific capsules not supporting proxies or something?
2024-08-02 15:09:12	bard	I only know so many sites that are still alive and it seems circumlunar.space won't load in a proxy which feels broken but maybe intentionally broken
2024-08-02 15:09:15	bard	annoying in any case
2024-08-02 15:09:41	bard	I am fine browsing in bombadillo but I don't expect to convince anyone else to do that
2024-08-02 15:10:23	mio	may be partial, https://gp.vern.cc/gemini/gemini.circumlunar.space works
2024-08-02 15:11:20	mio	last heard portal apps usually respect robots.txt
2024-08-02 15:12:00	mio	may be certain capsules have sections excluded
2024-08-02 15:14:34	bard	ah thank you
2024-08-02 15:14:47	bard	confusing
2024-08-02 15:22:27	alexlehm	bard: no proxying usually means that the request is wrong or it is not expecting the specific sitename
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2024-08-02 15:23:28	alexlehm	i get that when i try to access my server with the ip for example, gemini://5.230.238.15/
2024-08-02 15:40:14	mio	is there not a different error code for when the request is wrong?
2024-08-02 15:41:32	mio	not saying you're wrong, just wondering why it returns that code instead of the equivalent of a 404
2024-08-02 15:41:52	mio	in the 4x range
2024-08-02 15:43:14	mio	ah, 4x is for temporary errors. don't know, 59 would be a bit more informative?
2024-08-02 15:43:51	mio	>The request was for a resource at a domain not served by the server and the server does not accept proxy requests.
2024-08-02 15:44:18	mio	that's 53, but the server does accept requests in certain cases?
2024-08-02 15:46:00	mio	51 (not found) or 59 (bad request) seems clearer
2024-08-02 15:46:04	alexlehm	in mollybrown this happens when the server hostname does not match the configured name
2024-08-02 15:47:58	mio	ah
2024-08-02 15:48:50	alexlehm	the 53 error means the request was formatted correctly but does not match the hostname
2024-08-02 15:49:15	alexlehm	or hostnames maybe
2024-08-02 15:51:02	alexlehm	the code in mollybrown is like this:
2024-08-02 15:51:25	alexlehm	https://p.lehmann.cx/3cI3.txt
2024-08-02 15:52:18	mio	guess it makes sense if "server" matches full hostname including subdomain
2024-08-02 15:52:59	alexlehm	yes
2024-08-02 15:54:10	mio	okay, thanks ^^
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2024-08-02 16:47:30	ew0k	vort3: been such a long time that I don't remember. I remember that I tried to start it unsuccessfully and mozz basically said "yeah, the version in the repo doesn't really work for anyone else" or something like that
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2024-08-02 17:26:45	vort3	ew0k: Understood, thanks.
2024-08-02 17:26:45	vort3	Sorry for offtopic, but anyone here good with arch? Or maybe I better go and ask in #archlinux ?
2024-08-02 17:26:45	vort3	I think something got broken and I can't find anything useful on the internet.
2024-08-02 17:43:28	thrig	situation normal
2024-08-02 17:48:23	vort3	thrig: I don't think it's normal, that never happened to me before.
2024-08-02 17:48:23	vort3	Pacman stopped installing dependencies. As a result, I  updated a package, then a bunch of other packages broke.
2024-08-02 17:48:23	vort3	Yeah, I know, I know, «never do partial upgrades», but I needed a new version, full upgrade would need a 4 GB download, and my current speed is 120 KB/sec.
2024-08-02 17:48:55	vort3	Usually pacman won't let you update a package if it would break dependencies.
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2024-08-02 19:21:05	stephen	I migrated away from arch because I would go too long between updates and being internet connected.  I'd have to do some weird dance to get trusted keys again so I could update or even just install a new package.
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2024-08-02 23:09:26	vort3	Well, I'm in a similar situation. I'm often not at home, and I have limited and slow connection most of the time. So I do partial upgrades all the time, doing full upgrade twice a year takes too long.
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2024-08-02 23:22:22	xfnw	<vort3> Usually pacman won't let you update a package if it would break dependencies.
2024-08-02 23:22:26	xfnw	pretty sure it usually doesnt care? at least not unless a package specifies it depends on a specific version range, which most packages dont
2024-08-02 23:26:07	xfnw	if it did, then nobody would be able to update their system if they have any aur packages installed, because those arent updated at the same time as packages from the repos
2024-08-02 23:28:44	vort3	I've seen a message like «can't update a package because these packages depend on it» many times.
2024-08-02 23:28:45	vort3	And then all of a sudden I can update any package and pacman doesn't complain, other paclages just break. I've never seen this before.
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2024-08-04 04:42:15	cyberwolf	gemini://any-key.press/gtransl.gmi google translite
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2024-08-05 05:44:27	rkta	dozens: Did you think about including the content in your rss feed?
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2024-08-05 06:17:34	ew0k	hmm. Does someone here understand molly brown?
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2024-08-05 06:39:20	cyberwol1	ops
2024-08-05 06:40:01	cyberwol1	Do I need to install these packages to work?
2024-08-05 06:41:16	cyberwol1	I'm trying to assemble it but it doesn't work
2024-08-05 06:56:04	cyberwol1	I won't wait for an answer, I've rolled back
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2024-08-05 08:55:18	alexlehm	ew0k: depends on how far "understand" goes, i have been running it for a year with a medium-complex config
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2024-08-05 10:44:17	ew0k	alexlehm: I have a script named index.gmi and was expecting it to execute it since it's an executable, but it serves it as a gmi file instead :P Was wondering if that's normal behaviour and I've just missed it all this time or if I've done something wrong somewhere
2024-08-05 10:57:15	alexlehm	mollybrown uses a cgi-bin mapping for scripts, i am not sure if you can map .gmi to be a script
2024-08-05 10:58:11	alexlehm	though maybe you can define the root dir in cgipaths
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2024-08-05 11:08:52	ew0k	it's probably the .gmi suffix that breaks it
2024-08-05 11:42:21	alexlehm	when I put a cgi file into my cgi-bin dir and rename it to *.gmi, it runs as script, gemini://gemini.lehmann.cx/cgi-bin/clientid.gmi, i guess it depends on which dir is listed in cgipaths
2024-08-05 11:42:40	alexlehm	CGIPaths
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2024-08-05 13:49:35	@tomasino	i don't know what's going on with the tildeverse gemini proxy. I've been fighting with it for a bit this morning and i have no idea why it's not working
2024-08-05 13:49:52	@tomasino	i can debug the cgi script locally and it's fine, but it's not fetching 
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2024-08-05 14:01:46	alexlehm	it looks like this is not even sending a request, so i guess it is a routing issue
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2024-08-06 01:05:27	dozens	rkta: if you already have https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/tilde.town/~dozens/gemlog/atom.xml?raw=1 in your feed reader, you should be able to refresh your feed and get content now :)
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2024-08-06 14:47:44	dozens	moin
2024-08-06 14:49:14	dozens	this morning i am: retooling my gemini site. so i can generate rss directly from posts instead of writing the xml by hand each time i write something.
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2024-08-06 22:11:41	sheepy0125	hey! i hope it's okay to advertise here: i made an interactive capsule where you can send and see anonymous messages: gemini://abyss.cinderblock.moe/ <3
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2024-08-07 04:06:11	rkta	I have a m4 macro which creates the xml feed entry and includes the post in a CDATA.
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2024-08-07 04:26:23	dozens	i just struggled with that exact thing on my other blog today
2024-08-07 04:27:05	dozens	i was struggling with esyscmd, trying to pipe the body through pandoc. but then i decided to just use diversions to put the markdown in the CDATA
2024-08-07 04:27:29	dozens	<3 m4
2024-08-07 04:27:36	dozens	sarcastic, but not sarcastic
2024-08-07 04:28:17	dozens	for this particular project, i used recutils and recfmt templates
2024-08-07 05:18:15	rkta	I just have the article as prerequisite for the feed in my Makefile.
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2024-08-07 08:16:17	alexlehm	to create xml i would use a "real" xml library, e.g. with small python script snce that will get the quoting right
2024-08-07 08:16:35	alexlehm	i hate CDATA tags (which is completely arbitrary)
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2024-08-08 06:35:28	ghodawalaaman	Good morning!
2024-08-08 06:41:04	cyberwolf	0/
2024-08-08 06:54:31	ghodawalaaman	do we have nice gemini clients for Android which are up to date?
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2024-08-08 07:00:43	cyberwolf	deedum?
2024-08-08 07:00:58	cyberwolf	last Apr 11, 2022
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2024-08-08 07:12:28	cyberwolf	elpher in emacs
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2024-08-08 07:18:51	raek	ghodawalaaman: I mostly use Lagrange on Android (only available via F-Droid, not Google Play), but I like Deedum too. 
2024-08-08 07:19:19	raek	however, Deedum seems to be gone from Google Play for some reason
2024-08-08 07:20:32	raek	I've recommended it before, but I've been told that it was uninstallable due to it being "for an older version of Android" from other people, even though we had the same Android version?
2024-08-08 07:20:52	raek	I never fully understood that
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2024-08-08 07:23:58	cyberwolf	where Lagrange f-droid
2024-08-08 07:28:13	cyberwolf	emacs F-droid and elpher
2024-08-08 07:36:02	ghodawalaaman	ok so deedum and Lagrage
2024-08-08 07:36:06	ghodawalaaman	thanks cyberwolf raek
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2024-08-08 07:43:47	raek	ghodawalaaman: I have Rosy Crow installed too, by I haven't really used it. it seems to be available on Google Play
2024-08-08 07:53:53	alexlehm	cyberwolf: lagrange is available on a specific fdroid repo from the author
2024-08-08 07:55:23	cyberwolf	ok
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2024-08-08 09:25:42	hyperreal	ghodawalaaman: there's Rosy Crow
2024-08-08 09:29:49	ghodawalaaman	I will look into Rosy Crow too! raek hyperreal
2024-08-08 09:29:51	ghodawalaaman	:D
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2024-08-08 11:21:29	cyberwolf	installed, looks cool
2024-08-08 11:22:05	cyberwolf	what's good is there are client certificates
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2024-08-08 11:23:25	cyberwolf	Misfin protocol add
2024-08-08 11:30:31	ew0k	Misfin?
2024-08-08 11:31:20	cyberwolf	email
2024-08-08 11:31:44	ew0k	Ah
2024-08-08 11:41:21	alexlehm	that reminds me, i should update my misfin server
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2024-08-08 11:50:50	cyberwolf	he doesn't import certificates before
2024-08-08 11:51:31	cyberwolf	previously created
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2024-08-08 16:16:17	xyz072004	which misfin server do you use?
2024-08-08 16:17:58	xyz072004	i'm using cipreses server but im considering the go implementation, hoping is less memory hungry than python 
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2024-08-08 16:27:10	alexlehm	i wrote my own in java to try the protocol out, but something changed and currently my imp is not working
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2024-08-08 18:36:44	xyz072004	oooo sounds fun! is the source for it available?
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2024-08-08 19:53:59	alexlehm	dozens: that i make typing errors on shortened words is prime stupid on my part :)
2024-08-08 19:58:11	alexlehm	xyz072004: i have not put it on tildegit, but i can do that
2024-08-08 20:02:48	dozens	happens to all of us :)
2024-08-08 20:11:19	alexlehm	xyz072004: https://tildegit.org/alexlehm/vertx-misfin-server
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2024-08-08 21:12:56	xyz072004	alexlehm: cool i'll check it out later today.
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2024-08-09 04:59:07	hyperreal	Hi geminauts
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2024-08-09 08:38:41	lain	are many people using misfin?
2024-08-09 09:28:38	ghodawalaaman	lain: I would if someone offer me a account on their server
2024-08-09 09:28:57	ghodawalaaman	I don't want to host my own misifn server tbh
2024-08-09 09:32:49	ew0k	is misfin a server similar to dovecot?
2024-08-09 09:43:26	alexlehm	i don't think there is anything with really multiple users yet
2024-08-09 09:53:20	lain	do they implement their own crypto? 
2024-08-09 09:53:40	lain	idk enough about tls to tell whether they're using it safely
2024-08-09 09:54:12	lain	using srv records to support alternate ports would be nice
2024-08-09 09:55:46	lain	supporting automatic key rotation somehow would also be nice
2024-08-09 09:56:48	lain	ew0k: it's a email-esque protocol but way simpler, i don't think the spec has any client-server stuff defined
2024-08-09 09:57:12	ew0k	lain: is it compatible with email in any way?
2024-08-09 09:57:20	lain	it doesn't seem like it to me
2024-08-09 09:57:31	lain	gemini://misfin.org/specification.gmi
2024-08-09 09:57:51	ew0k	oh! it's a gemini thing!
2024-08-09 09:58:00	ew0k	Forgot what channel I'm in 😂
2024-08-09 09:58:14	ew0k	it's this, right? https://github.com/JCLemme/misfin
2024-08-09 09:59:26	ghodawalaaman	misfin://<MAILBOX>@<HOSTNAME><SPACE><MESSAGE><CR><LF>
2024-08-09 09:59:28	lain	yeah
2024-08-09 09:59:35	ghodawalaaman	we could have multiple users on same hostname
2024-08-09 09:59:54	ghodawalaaman	just change the MAILBOX to user1 or user2 
2024-08-09 10:00:33	ghodawalaaman	alexlehm
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2024-08-09 12:05:53	alexlehm	yes, i know but I am not aware of site that does that yet
2024-08-09 12:06:11	alexlehm	this might be interesting https://satch.xyz/skylab/
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2024-08-09 18:29:47	mhj	https://thejpster.org.uk/blog/blog-2024-08-08/
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2024-08-09 20:43:01	dozens	=> gemini://tilde.town/~dozens/gemlog/23.gmi my gemlog is now a recfile
2024-08-09 20:43:32	dozens	yo you can misfin me at dozens@hashnix.club
2024-08-09 20:46:31	dozens	^^ cc: rkta vort3 tomasino
2024-08-09 20:46:51	dozens	(the gemlink, not the misfin comment. though you can misfin me too if you want :)
2024-08-09 20:49:06	@tomasino	woohoo
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2024-08-09 20:49:53	dozens	recutils!
2024-08-09 20:59:52	@tomasino	oh i love this so much
2024-08-09 20:59:59	@tomasino	i must steal
2024-08-09 21:11:52	vort3	dozens: hey, you remember me, thanks. Reading now.
2024-08-09 21:16:45	vort3	Just finished reading.
2024-08-09 21:16:46	vort3	Will you make a git repo with uo to date sctipts and usage instructions?
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2024-08-09 22:01:34	dozens	could! i'll need to clean it up a little bit more. but yeah why not.
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2024-08-10 04:29:22	vort3	dozens: ping me again if you have a repo, I could definitely use your code.
2024-08-10 04:46:32	rkta	dozens: No need to ping me, I have it in my Inbox ;) 
2024-08-10 04:49:23	rkta	dozens: The questions about <id> and <updated>, AFAIU the Id is just a unique indentifier for the article. I use just the url. For updates you just change the <updated> timestamp, then the client knows that the article was updated. If you also change to <id>, it looks like a new article.
2024-08-10 04:50:18	rkta	I have a 'Last modified' line in my articles, that timestamp gets placed into <updated>.
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2024-08-11 00:09:56	xyz072004	ghodawalaaman: RE misfin server, I'm pretty sure hashnix.club offers free accounts for the time being. gemini://hashnix.club:1958
2024-08-11 00:10:23	xyz072004	feel free to hit me up once you set it up ;) misfin:martin@072004.xyz
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2024-08-11 01:02:44	dikiaap	xyz072004: Hi hi, I just registered at Hashnix.Club
2024-08-11 01:04:03	dikiaap	Should I enter the prefix misfin: in recipient address?
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2024-08-11 02:27:39	dikiaap	So I've sent the message to myself, no need `misfin:` prefix. And I'm at dikiaap@hashnix.club ! :)
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2024-08-11 04:39:14	dozens	https://git.tilde.town/dozens/gemrec
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2024-08-11 05:35:53	cyberwolf	in hashnix.club they can delete my account so that I can re-register
2024-08-11 05:40:37	cyberwolf	also in gemini.smallweb.space
2024-08-11 05:40:47	xyz072004	cyberwolf: i'm not really sure. have you tried mentioning sysop userfxnet on Station? they're pretty active in there
2024-08-11 05:41:06	xyz072004	or through email mailto:support@hashnix.club
2024-08-11 05:42:48	cyberwolf	ok
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2024-08-11 10:58:29	vort3	Maybe it's time to have a channel for #misfin ?
2024-08-11 11:00:51	cyberwolf	he's not there
2024-08-11 11:01:52	alexlehm	there is one on libera
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2024-08-11 12:53:56	ghodawalaaman	Thanks xyz072004 :)
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2024-08-12 06:59:43	ghodawalaaman	xyz072004: I have registered \0/
2024-08-12 06:59:53	ghodawalaaman	however I don't know how to send mail in misfin
2024-08-12 07:00:06	ghodawalaaman	do I have to use a special client or something
2024-08-12 07:01:14	xyz072004	hmmm did you save your mailbox certificate? hashnix uses cipress server which already comes with a client 
2024-08-12 07:01:35	ghodawalaaman	wait I didn't
2024-08-12 07:01:37	ghodawalaaman	D:
2024-08-12 07:02:10	xyz072004	what browser are you using?
2024-08-12 07:02:14	ghodawalaaman	I am not a member of hashnix. could I still use the client
2024-08-12 07:02:16	ghodawalaaman	xyz072004: amfora
2024-08-12 07:02:28	xyz072004	oof does it cache previous pages?
2024-08-12 07:02:45	xyz072004	so you can go back to save it?
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2024-08-12 07:02:52	ghodawalaaman	no
2024-08-12 07:02:53	ghodawalaaman	:/
2024-08-12 07:02:59	ghodawalaaman	it says mailbox already exists
2024-08-12 07:03:16	ghodawalaaman	first time it didn't say that
2024-08-12 07:03:33	ghodawalaaman	I have to use different username I guess
2024-08-12 07:03:55	ghodawalaaman	also it's hard to copy the ceritificate since it also copies escape chars of terminal
2024-08-12 07:04:12	ghodawalaaman	first username I selected was ghodawalaaman
2024-08-12 07:04:49	xyz072004	yeah most of todays services target lagrange over terminal clients 
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2024-08-12 07:05:35	ghodawalaaman	can I mail to misfin:martin@072004.xyz using my gmail client?
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2024-08-12 07:05:49	ghodawalaaman	let me try it
2024-08-12 07:05:55	xyz072004	no you cant unfortunately:(
2024-08-12 07:07:04	ghodawalaaman	:/
2024-08-12 07:07:15	xyz072004	try asking userfxnet for that mailbox certificate, just prove your identify 
2024-08-12 07:07:26	xyz072004	they're pretty chill I'm sure they'll help u with thag
2024-08-12 07:07:38	ghodawalaaman	userfxnet?
2024-08-12 07:07:46	ghodawalaaman	where could I connect with them?
2024-08-12 07:07:48	xyz072004	hashnix's sysop
2024-08-12 07:08:05	xyz072004	gemini://hashnix.club I think theres an email somewhere 
2024-08-12 07:08:14	ghodawalaaman	yeah found it support@hashnix.club
2024-08-12 07:08:34	ghodawalaaman	btw which client I have to use in order to use misfin?
2024-08-12 07:09:28	xyz072004	the server hashnix uses already comes with one
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2024-08-12 07:09:45	ghodawalaaman	I am not a member of hashnix
2024-08-12 07:10:29	xyz072004	where you sign up for a mailbox, that's the client 
2024-08-12 07:11:02	ghodawalaaman	ohh :o
2024-08-12 07:11:08	xyz072004	you just gotta tell amfora to use the mailbox certificate 
2024-08-12 07:11:40	ghodawalaaman	I see
2024-08-12 07:11:49	xyz072004	there's also skylab which is a cgi script you install on your server
2024-08-12 07:11:53	ghodawalaaman	first I have to save it and then tell amfora to use it 
2024-08-12 07:11:56	ghodawalaaman	got it 
2024-08-12 07:12:05	ghodawalaaman	maybe I should use lagrance at this point
2024-08-12 07:12:30	xyz072004	it's easier to set it up in lagrange
2024-08-12 07:12:45	xyz072004	it automatically detects certificates
2024-08-12 07:12:49	ghodawalaaman	yeah, I see. it's also way easier to create certificates!
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2024-08-12 07:13:01	ghodawalaaman	I had to manually create certificates for amfora using openssl
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2024-08-12 07:14:29	xyz072004	yeah it's a shame terminal client developer tend to ignore UX
2024-08-12 07:15:12	xyz072004	in favour of banalities like vim key bindings or whatever 
2024-08-12 07:15:33	ghodawalaaman	also the last release was 6 years ago https://github.com/makew0rld/amfora/releases/tag/v1.10.0
2024-08-12 07:15:53	xyz072004	and I'm pretty sure they announced that that was the final release
2024-08-12 07:16:06	ghodawalaaman	final release :o
2024-08-12 07:16:24	ghodawalaaman	they are assuming that the Gemini protocol won't be extended 
2024-08-12 07:16:25	ghodawalaaman	:o
2024-08-12 07:16:42	xyz072004	author probably lost interest 
2024-08-12 07:17:14	ghodawalaaman	so we now only have one Gemini client which is still maintained
2024-08-12 07:17:15	xyz072004	haven't seen them in a while on geminispace 
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2024-08-12 07:17:34	ghodawalaaman	I hope they are only taking a break and will come back :D
2024-08-12 07:17:46	xyz072004	there's bombadillo too
2024-08-12 07:17:54	xyz072004	and elpher if youre an emacs fien
2024-08-12 07:18:36	ghodawalaaman	https://github.com/powerboat9/bombadillo
2024-08-12 07:20:13	xyz072004	yep and that's about it with terminal clients
2024-08-12 07:20:32	xyz072004	most of them are unmaintained 
2024-08-12 07:20:37	ghodawalaaman	then Lagrange it is :)
2024-08-12 07:21:38	xyz072004	Lagrange also comes with a couple of goodies like subscribing to gemfeeds and atom feeds
2024-08-12 07:22:06	ghodawalaaman	gemfeeds :o
2024-08-12 07:22:14	ghodawalaaman	I have never used them tbh
2024-08-12 07:22:27	ghodawalaaman	are they similar to Antenna?
2024-08-12 07:22:38	ghodawalaaman	gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/
2024-08-12 07:22:48	xyz072004	antenna reads gemfeeds from other capsules 
2024-08-12 07:22:52	xyz072004	it's an aggregator 
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2024-08-12 07:23:54	ghodawalaaman	I see it's like an RSS feed
2024-08-12 07:24:08	xyz072004	exactly! 
2024-08-12 07:27:01	xyz072004	last but not least, Lagrange supports mime hooks that let you transform how it shows files/content. here's one for syntax highlighting gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/s/Lagrange/18731
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2024-08-12 07:30:29	ghodawalaaman	I could configure Lagrange to open zathura if mimetype if pdf
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2024-08-12 07:35:26	xyz072004	not like that
2024-08-12 07:35:51	xyz072004	also I think your operating system should already do that 
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2024-08-12 08:09:37	cyberwolf	3 years of using my capsule
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2024-08-12 08:31:57	ghodawalaaman	cyberwolf: congratulations \0/
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2024-08-12 08:36:18	cyberwolf	thx
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2024-08-12 11:08:13	dikiaap	ghodawalaaman: Amfora v1.10 was released in 2024, it's pretty new. You may misread Mar 18 as Mar 2018 :))
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2024-08-12 11:12:21	ghodawalaaman	dikiaap: you are right, I indeed read it wrong lol
2024-08-12 11:16:46	dikiaap	ghodawalaaman: And there are escape characters when you copy the certs in Amfora
2024-08-12 11:16:55	dikiaap	I had to replace them manually by using regex in a text editor :')
2024-08-12 11:18:15	ghodawalaaman	dikiaap: how did you know which escape chars you have to replace?
2024-08-12 11:18:43	ghodawalaaman	I also thought about replacing them
2024-08-12 11:25:18	dikiaap	ghodawalaaman: I'm using this regex to remove them "\s*▒"
2024-08-12 11:27:56	ghodawalaaman	ok so you just copied whatever character it was 
2024-08-12 11:28:07	ghodawalaaman	it was so simpler lol
2024-08-12 11:28:18	ghodawalaaman	I was thinking about getting the ascii code of that char
2024-08-12 11:28:27	★	ghodawalaaman overthinks a lot
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2024-08-13 16:07:46	dozens	whoops, overwrote /gemini_public
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2024-08-13 18:44:56	dozens	i fixed it
2024-08-13 18:44:59	dozens	git!
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2024-08-13 20:54:39	sir-photch	Hello there people
2024-08-13 20:54:39	sir-photch	I'm relatively new to geminispace and It is a little hard for me to find content that I'm interested in. Care to share your go-to gemlogs or sites that you regularly visit? :)
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2024-08-13 20:58:35	nristen	gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/
2024-08-13 20:59:14	nristen	gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/
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2024-08-13 21:04:29	nristen	gemini://station.martinrue.com/
2024-08-13 21:05:40	nristen	sir-photch: do you already have links to some of the gemini search engines?
2024-08-13 21:07:13	sir-photch	Well I use lagrange and its default page links to some search engines
2024-08-13 21:07:37	sir-photch	IIRC one of them is called "totally legit search engine" or similar
2024-08-13 21:08:28	nristen	Ok, yeah that is a good starting place too.
2024-08-13 21:09:01	sir-photch	Cool, thanks. I'll have a look at the ones you provoded
2024-08-13 21:09:58	sir-photch	Huh, bbs in gemini!
2024-08-13 21:10:02	xyz072004	TLGS kind of fell of, I used to love it but ever since i tried Kennedy tho...
2024-08-13 21:10:08	sir-photch	FastCGI I suppose?
2024-08-13 21:10:19	sir-photch	Really cool
2024-08-13 21:10:20	xyz072004	yeah BBS and station are both great social places
2024-08-13 21:10:50	xyz072004	sir-photch nah, BBS uses GmCapsule i think, that's a python server
2024-08-13 21:11:07	sir-photch	I've been looking for some software to add comment functionality to my gemlog
2024-08-13 21:11:29	sir-photch	There is nimlike, but that doesn't seem to be very active
2024-08-13 21:11:36	sir-photch	And it is CGI-only
2024-08-13 21:11:49	sir-photch	I'll have a look at gmcapsule
2024-08-13 21:14:33	xyz072004	it also comes with a module for rendering git repos 
2024-08-13 21:17:38	sir-photch	I am using gmid right now and that comes with FastCGI support
2024-08-13 21:17:48	sir-photch	So there has to be a way...
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2024-08-13 21:35:02	xyz072004	I use gmid too!
2024-08-13 21:35:43	xyz072004	fastcgi is essentially just a while true-wrapped CGI script, and you communicate through it with unix sockets
2024-08-13 21:36:59	xyz072004	if you don't wanna write a fcgi program, try a wrapper like slowcgi or fcgiwrap
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2024-08-14 00:50:40	rynn	I tested the search engines briefly, AuraGem is my current favorite for searches. I especially like it showing the gemipedia articles at the top.
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2024-08-14 04:52:24	ghodawalaaman	you guys actually get some good result from this search engine, whenever I search I always get all the irrelevant results :/
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2024-08-15 11:01:42	cyberwolf	why doesn't the author of gmid make a ready .deb binary instead of compiling it himself?
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2024-08-15 11:07:06	cyberwolf	I want to proxy a station in ygg using gmid)
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2024-08-15 11:22:49	koalillo	because making .debs is significantly more work than providing a source tarball
2024-08-15 11:23:23	koalillo	(I *really* *really* like using packages, but I don't even package the software *I* write.)
2024-08-15 11:23:48	koalillo	(well, I don't know why the author of gmid does not provide a package; this is speculation)
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2024-08-15 11:42:01	sir-photch	Maybe they don't use debain based distros or smthn
2024-08-15 11:43:07	sir-photch	That being said, there is a PKGBUILD on the AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gmid
2024-08-15 11:43:39	sir-photch	(Disclosure: I am the co-maintainer)
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2024-08-15 12:14:32	cyberwolf	yeah, arch on the server is so-so with aur
2024-08-15 12:17:27	cyberwolf	agate no problem with binary
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2024-08-15 12:18:47	cyberwolf	although it has agate-bin AUR
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2024-08-15 13:10:55	sir-photch	cyberwolf: wdym? gmid comes with nearly no dependencies that "break on update", given you mean that
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2024-08-16 23:26:33	thatblockypenguin	hey all
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2024-08-17 05:20:30	cyberwolf	hi
2024-08-17 05:25:21	xyz072004	\o
2024-08-17 05:27:25	cyberwolf	@userfxnet deleted my email, then I created it again and finally got access
2024-08-17 05:28:25	cyberwolf	because elpher doesn't have gembox access
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2024-08-17 05:36:04	xyz072004	ooo so you were the one they were talking about on Station :D
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2024-08-17 05:51:10	cyberwolf	yep
2024-08-17 06:01:11	cyberwolf	I would also like to try gemini://gemini.smallweb.space:1958/ but registration is closed there
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2024-08-17 08:59:32	cyberwolf	xyz072004: write me an email and we’ll check it in one go
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2024-08-17 09:22:22	xyz072004	cyberwolf: what's your misfin address?
2024-08-17 09:46:35	cyberwolf	byzoni
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2024-08-17 10:07:16	mindhunter	Hey. I am looking for a collection of useful sites in gemini to start using it. Where can I find them? 
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2024-08-17 10:08:45	mindhunter	By useful sites I mean blogs that most of you follow and things like that
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2024-08-17 10:13:54	cyberwolf	gemini://moddedbear.xyz/links.gmi
2024-08-17 10:27:41	cyberwolf	or gemini://m0xee.net/bookmarks.gmi
2024-08-17 10:29:24	cyberwolf	or gemini://jsreed5.org/links/index.gmi )))
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2024-08-17 12:58:13	mindhunter	Thanks cyberwolf :)
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2024-08-17 22:43:12	rqm	cyberwolf: really coold links, thanks
2024-08-17 22:43:51	rqm	i should probably create a bookmarks page myself... I think it's actually easier to sync your bookmarks with that in Lagrange
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2024-08-17 23:50:32	xyz072004	rqm: yeah it's easier but i hate that you can't subscribe to those bookmarks! every you sync it removes the subscriptions. i should probably open up an issue for that one