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Re: "Looking for an alternative, smolweb inspired, web..."
@decant I wrote this for web & rss => gemini
— https://gitlab.com/cipres/levior
May 27 · 3 weeks ago
requiem, maybe i am wrong, i got the 'chrome' engine impression from this developer video, exactly here:
i looked further, it it looks like ladybird is indeed written from scratch. sorry for confusion.
❄ freezr [OP] · May 27 at 14:47:
I forgot to mention the good old SeaMonkey and its stepbrother PaleMoon...
But I remembered how I failed to compile both for aarch64... 😞
🚀 blah_blah_blah · May 27 at 18:57:
@freezr Wow, what a thread. So I'm not going to study it at length, but respond to this:
many modern websites rely on JavaScript and do not offer html-only alternative. When you disable JS you won't find this crap anymore but then you cannot navigate 90% of the WWW.
This is why you turn off JS, to avoid 90% of the web. I am very selective of the sites I permit JS on. I would suggest using a non-JS browser, and make exceptions for specific sites you need JS for. Put that dangerous browser inside a virtual machine named "DO NOT ENTER!"
@blah_blah_blah, the worst part of that is that the very important sites such as banks require me to turn off most of my security features! It's a bad joke -- I browse useless internet sites with full armor, but places that need most security and are most vulnerable to attack insist that you use most-insecure settings!
❄ freezr [OP] · May 27 at 21:10:
@stack I would enjoy a desktop app, not electron, to connect to my bank... For instance I hate that to request vacation I have to use my the app on my phone because the website is pure garbage...
The whole situation really sucks... 🤬
@gemalaya I would like to run an instance locally. What kind of fingerprint would this http>gemini coverter leave from the perspective of the web server?
qubeos have this concept of pdf VM where a fresh VM would spin up and parse a pdf and provide output in the form of bitmap. Should the pdf try to exploid the parser, all you get is some scrambled images. I think webpage, with java enabled deserve the same if not more containment.
@decant levior makes web requests using the aiohttp library. You can also define a socks5 proxy, so it's possible to use it with Tor. You can change the HTTP user agent. So in terms of fingerprinting it's quite minimal i'd say.
❄ freezr [OP] · May 28 at 17:06:
I did a quick round with Basilisk aarch64 and it did not get a good outcome. With only a couple of tabs opened it was struggling to scroll a page (in reading mode) up and down...
LibreWolf with a lot of tabs opened or suspended performs way more better... 🤔
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@gemalaya would you try amiunique.org? I am curious as to how unique your requests really are...
@stack Do you mean, requesting https://amiunique.org through levior to run the fingerprint test ? Their test requires Javascript, therefore you'd have to enable levior's JS rendering, which will make browser fingerprinting very easy. Making levior's requests less identifiable is something i plan on improving.
@gemalaya I don't think they require JS or at least they didn't! With JS off, BTW, you are probably unique within a city block or so. The problem is that the smaller your 'fingerprint', the more unique you are! The best strategy is using the same signature as Tor browser, it is fairly unique but all for users share it. And make sure there are no typos or extra spaces -- that would obviously make you very unique..
This is maybe the only situation where obscurity (by looking as every tor user) is as close to anonymity as you can get.
Modern surveillance equipment used by corporations that extract huge profits from extracting, packaging and selling data is very sophisticated. Even when you think you have no footprint, you are leaking information based on timing, pattern of browsing (you don't browse randomly), minor variations in requests, etc.
Don't forget about forward security -- Even when they don't know who you are, they will build an extensive dossier with your history. One day you may slip up and log into gmail, or leak enough info, and years of hiding goes up in smoke.
@stack Tried it without JS and it says:
"Almost! Only browsers out of the observed browsers have exactly the same fingerprint as yours (NaN %)."
@gemalaya You are unique. That is bad.
@stack Almost :) Indeed. Thanks for the insights, i'll work on it.
Looking for an alternative, smolweb inspired, web browser... 🙏 — Hello folks, I am currently using LibreWolf but unfortunately it is still Firefox. I tested other alternative browsers and the best one I found has been: Surf; however it didn't match all my needs, which are: smaller footprint fast & light, alternative UI toolkit tab support ADS & Tracker block sock5 support easy bookmarking JavaScript support Usually lightweight browsers, like Dillo, does not support JavaScript therefore it is...