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Re: "Writing a blog post (on the web, sadly) about Geminispace...."
I would say Gemini's biggest feature is what it *can't* do. You won't find much other than capsules showing text and links :)
10 hours ago
There are a few. Gemi.dev have got some pretty cool stuff, including games and a weather forecast. AuraGem are also doing some cool stuff, but not all of it works quite as well.
⛵️ kebokyo [OP...] · 10 hours ago:
@lufte Fair! Still, this site in particular is proof that just text and links can still get you very far. Limitations breed creativity (and server side scripting I guess)
I agree completely, I only thought you wanted specific examples of what the protocol itself can do, which is not much. For a clever use of long lived connections I like gemini://chat.mozz.us/, particularly the /stream path.
🚀 blah_blah_blah · 10 hours ago:
Note: Don't quote me or cite me or link to me on the web. Otherwise do what you will with the following text.
In addition to the links below, there are a number of projects that are not well known or have been forgotten, because the community is not very well glued together. Two examples that come to mind are the YouTube proxy at auragem.dev and a rather comprehensive interactive fiction site adapting a series I think was called "Altair"? I lost the link, or maybe it's buried in my bookmarks.
There are also the classic Astrobotany site, by @mozz, and the word game that runs here by @stack. Lots of little things, not all of them obscure. Maybe someone can provide links to those places.
There are also software projects, mainly servers and browsers. Of these, Lagrange by @skyjake (who made this site) is the most sophisticated and best known. Another interesting project is OffPunk by [@ploum]. But there are a lot of little things, mainly small hobby projects, some of which actually work.
— [@ploum]: Ploum's gemlog page in English
There's an update [here] on the occasion of Gemini's 5th anniversary, written by @Solderpunk it's creator. (@SeanConman is it's godfather, btw). I don't have a direct link, but the update article is at the top. (You might sense that things are not as nimble here as Out There.)
— [here]: the Gemini protocol gemlog page
— Bongusta, a Gopher protocol aggregator
— Cosmos, an aggregator by @skyjake
— Capcom, The original aggregator, I think
— Antenna, an aggregator by @ew0k
— Another aggregator, for non-technical submissions
— Midnight Pub, a text community with a gemini presence
— BBS, by @skyjake, using Bubble software
— A Gemini-focused zine, just emerging
— A misfin server, kind of like email
And games...
— gemini.smallweb.space/farkle/
— spellbinding.tilde.cafe/game/cgi?
— spellbinding.tilde.cafe/wordo/cgi?
I can also read many web sites via NewsWaffle:
⛵️ kebokyo [OP...] · 8 hours ago:
@blah_blah_blah this resource is wild!! thank you so much. i probably won't be able to get to all of this stuff, but I'll definitely try to include some of it.
I do want to look more into Misfin cause it's very weird to me lol. There doesn't seem to be a good OOB implementation of it yet like, say, gemini servers, and i kinda want to figure out if there can be a way to allow SMTP/IMAP to proxy with it (i.e. forwarding incoming misfin messages to regular email or letting people send email to a specific address to convert it into misfin messages)
As mod of the s/music subspace, as well as host to the community-driven creative label pubnix hashnix.club, I'd like to make this effort to finally dispell this misconceived notion that there's somehow "not much other than capsules showing text and links " as @lufte points out earlier since being a musician myself having fled the web for a better venue.
As @fr3ak and @blah_blah_blah highlight, Auragem holds many services atm in the effort of occupying the smallnet with valuable resource. One such feature is the Mimetype listing in the search engine page. You can even find indexed pages of video and audio in that page at the link below.
If you explore the capsules hosted at flounder.online or cities.yesterweb.org you'll find a plethora of artists with imagery, music, and writing they've created and published all their own via these spaces.
I have audio at superfxchip.cities.yesterweb.org as well as userfxnet.flounder.online, which I'll be hosting soon at my own capsule via my pubnix hashnix.club/~flipperzero. I've also run into others hosting their own music and entire labels like Drift Theory at ~sloum.
There's also a really cool directory capsule with several submissions by people you can explore and also make entries to.
There's a smallnet magazine project I'm involved with at the s/Zine subspace for "my smol life" where I'll be publishing a column all about this very subject, related to hypermedia capabilities in Geminispace, so in case that's something that piques any interest that'll be something to look out for once it's out on print + free digital as I list even more capsules which take advantage of this support as ell as what I've listed here. -w-
⛵️ kebokyo [OP...] · 7 hours ago:
@flipperzero That's the thing I want to hit on with my blog post.
I get this notion that people view the smallweb/net and any projects surrounding it as just "a bunch of people with blogs that only exist to buck the mainstream". Going into this research, that was what I was expecting: "oh hey, look at all these cool people making cool articles on their Geminispace blogs!"
Then I played a game of Minesweeper using "just text and links" (and text input prompts) and made a forum post on this very website and communicated with people all around the world in a little corner of the internet no one really cares about and all of a sudden I feel like I'm in a time before I was even born.
@flipperzero That's the thing I want to hit on with my blog post.
I get this notion that people view the smallweb/net and any projects surrounding it as just "a bunch of people with blogs that only exist to buck the mainstream". Going into this research, that was what I was expecting: "oh hey, look at all these cool people making cool articles on their Geminispace blogs!"
Then I played a game of Minesweeper using "just text and links" (and text input prompts) and made a forum post on this very website and communicated with people all around the world in a little corner of the internet no one really cares about and all of a sudden I feel like I'm in a time before I was even born.
A bunch of this stuff you could already do with HTTP or PHP (hell, I remember fiddling around with these sort of text input promps back when I was first learning webdev), but the obscurity of the Gemini protocol along with the culture built around Geminispace has really made this place kind of a haven for Web 1.0 style sites, more than even Neocities has done imo.
All of this is to say I think I'll need to make this into a multipart series lmfao
@kebokyo Mirror your article here on Gemini! I'd be happy to read and comment on it. I think there oughta be more endorsement for open free tech no matter where, I even mean to make this effort back into the web to hopefully encourage more of the same there to bleed back into these parts so there's a healthy ecosystem back online instead of a gross commercial vibe.
There's even effort to make emphasis back on the original iteration of the web standard as well as building a completely original browser and web engine from the ground up, with some coverage here at the s/Privacy subspace. If you'll notice, there's even backlash around these parts to that effort under the notion that it's somehow saturation amidst already established commercialized engines, that it's still following a broken standard (ignoring the faithfulness to the original iteration), and that somehow it's a waste to continue to bother with the web. I feel that's harmful, not only to would-be web refugees, but to the smallnet at large. An open ecosystem anywhere is good for everywhere. Dismissing good faith projects, regardless of their 'attention', is operating with bad faith to the merit of those efforts to do better for everybody.
⛵️ kebokyo [OP...] · 6 hours ago:
@flipperzero I've been thinking about making a gemini mirror of my blog for a hot minute now, even before the current iteration of the site. I found an article of someone detailing how they went about implementing their mirror of a Next.js site [1] which gives me a really good starting point since I'm also using Next.js.
As for your second topic, are you talking about Ladybird? If so, while I don't think it will succeed because of said market saturation, I also agree with how the fatalism of certain people within the smallnet space is concerning. We don't need to hold on to the same sort of cynicism we need to have in order to survive on the corporate net. We need to support each other and help each other grow. Mutual aid is the only way the smallnet can survive against Big Tech.
— [1] Mirroring Next.js Blog to Gemini
I’m not against the Web just because of commercialism. The world before JavaScript was just fine, and if someone comes up with a great way to completely split “Web classic” off from the modern mess that might be interesting.
Can more or less do this by just using Lynx or w3m, but the problem is half the links won’t work because everything demands JavaScript to work. Ajax everywhere destroyed the idea of a JavaScript-free Web.
Maybe just go to html delivered over something than http: a forked Web.
⛵️ kebokyo [OP...] · 5 hours ago:
@istvan i mean, the Gemini protocol kinda serves as a "web fork", though that of course is disregarding the extra visual flair you can get with HTML+CSS.
and also... uh... my website is literally built on JavaScript and yet it requires no client-side Javascript to work. it's utter bullshit i know, but if a website literally made out of JS doesn't require client-side JS... maybe making more websites without client-side JS aren't off the table yet
If you want to write in Node.js, whatever. My issue is with anything that modifies or monitors a loaded document. I’d complain about ActiveX the same way if it still existed.
Writing a blog post (on the web, sadly) about Geminispace. Are there any other cool sites on here that showcase what the Gemini protocol can do?