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Re: "Lately I have been working on a few semantic web projects,..."
I've wasted a bit of my life exploring semantic web ideas. I've tried to build 'the brain'-like organizers and navigation things, pre-gemini. Gemini has a limited interactivity, but hey, why not!
2023-08-18 · 11 months ago
🚀 stack · 2023-08-18 at 22:51:
@a459, sorry to be a pedantic ass, but I think you meant 'eluded'.
As for SW, ignoring the standards and such, to me it's just some metadata and structure for linking. For instance if links were typed, you could have reference links, or links that indicate containment, parent and child links for hierarchies, links to definitions or deeper content. That would provide for a smarter browser, and allow a better mapping of knowlege onto a set of pages and links than what we have now, which is totally arbitrary.
👻 naf [OP] · 2023-08-19 at 01:23:
for me it is to tool to be able to extract meaning from the published resources, that is, SW gives us a descriptor of the ontology of what is presented along with the relationships of that entity to other entities, Therefore, if we know what is an entity and how it is connected to other entities, we can map a network or graph of those entities and not just know the entity but also its context. The sum is greater than the parts, knowing the relationships of the entity to other entities allows us a deeper understanding of what we have.
👻 naf [OP] · 2023-08-19 at 01:24:
@stack have you ever used terminusDB?
🚀 stack · 2023-08-19 at 10:59:
@459, it seems to be still eluding you. One man's mental masturbation is another man's mental wacking off.
🕹️ skyjake [mod...] · 2023-08-19 at 11:02:
Semantic Web is one of those ideas that has great academic potential, and can be valuable in specialized highly-controlled domains, but it hasn't and is unlikely to gain popularity in the wild. Most people just will not properly set up the semantic metadata. The creation of the metadata would need to be automated as part of some other system.
When it comes to Geminispace, I think the biggest challenge is the lack of ways to communicate any sort of metadata. Link lines tagged with semantic keywords/Emoji might work, but people are not going to apply those consistently at a meaningful scale. Even for something simple like next/prev links between gemlog entries there are several different conventions in use.
🚀 stack · 2023-08-19 at 11:54:
The web without SW is kind of like a database without a schema, with this vague understanding that 'the user will figure out what they are looking at'. Yes, the discipline required to populate and cross-link a semantic datastore is beyond us mortals (at least speaking for myself, in small experiments). And can you imagine anyone agreeing on an ontology?
🕹️ skyjake [mod...] · 2023-08-19 at 12:39:
@a459 Helpful reminder: Gemtext supports quotes (> lines) so you might want to use those instead of preformatted blocks, as a courtesy to others. Preformatted blocks don't typically wrap on small screens.
🐉 gyaradong · 2023-08-20 at 03:50:
Like daggers to my heart. I think there are those who have been burnt on semantic web and those who won't believe anything until they see it fly. I can't help but want to believe in the semantic web. It's an incredibly powerful idea and has seen some partial success. Fediverse has some SW components, and frankly for any open web the SW is basically a prerequisite. Dbpedia exists and is actually powerful. Governments are able to plug into it through open data initiatives. Apps can plug into it in an open way.
It's not over. The dream lives. I believe when the big web hangover comes the now sober world will finally start waking up and a Cambrian Explosion of SW will begin.
Lately I have been working on a few semantic web projects, and while exploring gemini, I started thinking if there is a way to apply the semantic web ideas in the gemini space. I wonder if there are more experienced people here who can shed more light on the possibilities of such a notion.