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Once I wasnā€™t here and then I suddenly appeared and now I seem to be at home in earth and air

I just canā€™t get behind this:

Benatarā€™s asymmetry argument

I disagree so much that Iā€™m grateful for him putting it in such stark terms so that we can clearly see how wack it is:

1. the presence of pain is bad;
2. the presence of pleasure is good;
3. the absence of pain is good, even if that good is not enjoyed by anyone;
4. the absence of pleasure is not bad unless there is somebody for whom this absence is a deprivation.

The first statement is an overreach. A liā€™l bit of pain can be a good thing. Go see the original Inside Out. We humans use pain or pleasure to navigate reality. If everything was pleasure we wouldnā€™t be able to do that. Itā€™d be like trying to touch type if every key felt like an f. Weā€™d just be rolling around like a giggling mass of broken bones. (Arguably that's what we're already doing according to Ligotti.)

But letā€™s put a liā€™l cenobite pin in that for now and for argumentā€™s sake take a look at the third and fourth statements as if the first two were both true:

They contradict each other, which Iā€™m hardly the first to point out (it's why it's called an "asymmetry" in the first place). If I fall into a hole tomorrow and die but that made me dodge being stung by a bee ten years from now, I wouldnā€™t really take pleasure in not getting stung by that bee. That doesnā€™t make sense. I know thereā€™s a meme saying ā€œat least she doesnā€™t have to suffer anymore, at least sheā€™s at restā€, but the apparent wackness of Benatarā€™s third statement right here is a counterargument of that meme since it just shows starkly how little it makes sense. If no-one is enjoying the absence of pain, is there really absence of pain even? The fourth statement is just as wack.

Hereā€™s the negation of the two statements:

3. the absence of pain is good, except if that absence is not enjoyed by anyone;

4. the absence of pleasure is a liā€™l sad even when thereā€™s no one for whom this absence is a deprivation.

Now that makes total sense to me.

There coulda been a bird singing happily here but now thereā€™s just a gloomy mire of despair. Itā€™s a liā€™l sad that the bird was never here.

I didnā€™t resolve the asymmetry either, although if Iā€™m wrong on exactly one of those two, thatā€™d fix it.

Yā€™all know how I spend all day everyday wishing I was never born but this ā€œasymmetry argumentā€ is unintentionally showing how wack that wish really is: if I was never born I wouldnā€™tā€˜ve benefited from any absence of this pain, completely negating the entire point of that wish, and now that Iā€™ve already made the schlep all the way into existence I might as well enjoy the liā€™l strawberry of life even as there are tigers above and below me and they hurt in every joint and bone. Itā€™s a pretty good strawberry. Grateful that Iā€™m getting a liā€™l taste of it.

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