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Re: Web considered harmful

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From: Doc O'Leary <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com>

Subject: Re: Web considered harmful

Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 18:42:12 -0000 (UTC)

Message-ID: <stmge3$o3q$1@dont-email.me>

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For your reference, records indicate that

meff <email@example.com> wrote:

Largely I think this thread is about technology people lamenting a
past where the net was only for other technology people. But the net
is infinitely wide. There's space for everyone on here. There doesn't
need to be gatekeeping on the net. We're not running out of internet
any time soon.

I would argue somewhat the opposite. We *are* definitely running out of

Internet that is free and open for people. That especially applies to

the web, where large corporations have exercised vast power to manipulate

people to act against their own best interest. Complaints of

“gatekeeping” on Usenet ring hollow; if the “space” provided by Facebook

and Twitter are more to your liking, go there and try to have this kind

of discussion.

With HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 this doesn't necessarily need to be
true. HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 is good enough at this point to give you a
duplex channel.

HTTP/3 is so different from HTTP/2 that they shouldn’t even be discussed

as being related protocol. It leaves me stepping back even further from

the request semantics and question what people are even looking to

accomplish. Too many things (e.g., microservice APIs) are jammed through

HTTP simply because web stacks are so common, not because they’re a good

way to get the job done.

So, if anything, I’m lamenting the past where the web was *just* the web.

It was a particular kind of information system, exchanging mainly HTML

documents, that people could easily read and link to. Then it lost sight

of the Unix Philosophy and tried to become everything to everybody. So

(again, in full acknowledgement of the irony of discussing this on Usenet

when so many people have had their attention absorbed by web forums

controlled by social media companies) I ask you: what do you think the

WWW *shouldn’t* do?

--

"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."

River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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Re: Web considered harmful (by meff <email@example.com> on Fri, 4 Feb 2022 02:38:31 -0000 (UTC))

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