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(writing this at 3AM while drunk. expect incoherent word salad.)
2023.5.1
https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/status/1652000356136615936?s=19
Look at the replies and the quote retweets you'll notice not a single person dared to consider why this won't work, nearly all of them are either a) ad hominem attack against Fehlinger and b) simple dismissal like saying Fehlinger played way to much HOI. Only one or two in the hundreds of reply saying the west is only doing this to better rule over China and things like this have no historical and political foundations, which is clearly a conclusion that can only be derived from the Unified China narrative, the biggest lie that persisted through out the last millennium to current times.
It's only natural for them to think this way: for people who have no business here, China is just another far away meme factory which only exist to produce silly memes for their consumption; but people who do have business (or trying to get on the playing table) in their eyes are almost always the "big bad government fanatics", especially in the eyes of left leaning people, some of who may even have been fetishizing China and CCP.
I forgot where I was going with this, but for people who really cared, you have to understand this is why most China separatists tend to be right wing: modern western left wing focus on classes and individual identities because the first world already went into the stage of after the end of history, but we need people who would actually work in our benefit instead of fighting against transphobes on Twitter, it's actual political power's attention we are trying to get, and it's people's lives we are forced to set up and pay; we have no rooms for discussing drag shows, pride parade, BLM protests and gender affirming therapies.
Welcome to the big bad cruel world of people like us.
CCP psyop is quite scary if you think about it. The word "psyop" sounds like conspiracy theory, but the intensity of CCP psyop is way beyond the common end-of-globalization public's imagination; call the US AmeriKKKa as many times as you want, but even AmeriKKKa has standards; CCP has none. You might have heard about the word "wumao"; it's quite an old word, but being an old word doesn't mean the thing it refers to has ceased to exist. Shit, you say CCP psyop doesn't exist? Go read this then:
Shit has been increasingly intense (and hard to discern) in recent years; they could build an account so close to a real person that you really can't tell. Imagine this: assume you speak Czech, you've followed a Czech-looking account on Twitter, that account speaks Czech, retweets Czech, looks absolutely to you and to everyone; but one day he began to retweet carefully crafted pro-China and pro-Russia content weaved with half-truth, and somehow other Czech-looking account you've followed started doing that too; it's hard to not have a tendency to be affected by this kind of implicit propaganda. Now imagine that the Czech looking accounts might not have been Czech at all and they could be some random Chinese guy in jail literally fighting for his freedom (through earning commutations); this is the level we (and also you) are facing right now. Of course you can just assume they're just tankies who moved to the US but got disillusioned - but tankie-ness spread just as much, also that's way too optimistic for my taste.
One thing you have to understand is that there's definitely way more CCP psyop than you think; your favourite leftist activism account could be a CCP psyop (or helping a CCP psyop) in the flick of a finger - or they could just be tankie, but with the rule of ersatz accuracy you could (and should) just consider they're all psyop agents because they definitely can whip up thousands of fake accounts (if not tens of thousands) for psyop at any given time. USA sucks, but PRC sucks million times harder. If you think you can have a life suitable for a noble person here, you are wrong. Do not make stupid choices.
Another example:
2023.4.12
dealing with internet ccp china psyop 101: don't trust any english info with full-width punctuation.
(quotation marks are different; proper quotation marks like “ ” and guillemet can be excused because some software will perform this converstion, but full-width punctuation and (especially) CJK brackets are non-excusable.)
The quote above was referring to this post:
The full-width exclamation mark was a particular bad job; all the translation engines I've seen always translate full-width to half-width when converting Mandarin to English, this weird kind of combination can only comes from someone who input English with his IME set to Chinese mode (the triple exclamation mark could also be a giveaway). You might think it's someone from Japan because Japanese also uses full-width exclamation mark, but the one thing you have to know is that "bad Japanese discharges nuclear water into the sea making the whole world suffer" has been common little pink rhetoric for years...
This is why separatists go for western right-wing: the western left does not care; the only thing they want is a conceptual puppet, something they can control and use to bash the thing they hate the most; they don't give a fuck about the reality behind the thing they use. That's why when you ask them for support for real they are only going to ignore you with annoyance, because to them, puppets aren't supposed to speak on its own; separatists' future does not lies within the pity of those "kind-hearted people", it lies in the possibility of attracting those with the power and the desire to place their bet on this land.
From fellow separatists:
https://twitter.com/desjacobins/status/1652639527352115205
跟著進步人士高呼反（西方）殖民主義，結果換來一個更壞的東方殖民主，這不是自作自受是什麽。所以我早就說香港獨立不能指望西方進步人士的支持，因爲香港就是遠東的羅德西亞，香港過往的成功和存在就是證明白人殖民主義必定壞，第三世界是無辜受害者的典型反證。
[People] Follow the progressives to shout anti (Western) colonialism but ended up with a worse Eastern colonial master instead; if this is not well-deserved suffering from the consequences of one's own action, then what is? That's why I said long ago that Hong Kong's independence cannot be counted on the support of Western progressives, because Hong Kong is the Rhodesia of the Far East. Hong Kong's past success and existence are proofs that the "white colonialism must be bad and the third world is nothing but innocent victims" rhetoric is wrong.
https://twitter.com/celtsman1989730/status/1652641102145667073
所有歐美的反對附庸國體系的組織都有個共同點，他們都不是附庸國體系的既得利益者，和附庸的人民也沒有任何關係，所以他們根本不在於附庸國人民的死活，他們實際上都是解構者和大屠殺的間接故意放縱者。但是附庸地人如果拎不清，不去爭取老保護人的支持，反而和這種人沆瀣一氣，那就注定死無葬身之地。
All European and American organizations that oppose the vassal state system have one thing in common. They are not vested interests in the vassal state system, and have nothing to do with the people of the vassal state, so they are not concerned with the life and death of the people of the vassal state. They are, in fact, deconstructors, and indirect willful indulgers of the massacre [towards the people in the vassal state]; but if the people in the vassal states are confused and in cahoots with such people instead of trying to win the support of the old protectors, they are doomed to die without a place to bury.
https://twitter.com/imortalshadow/status/1652724933733015554
以色列人最早也是指望國際反帝反殖民進步人士的支持，結果這些人在以色列需要的時候指指點點，在以色列最危急的時刻跟隨蘇聯的腳步背後捅刀。而患難之後以色列在國際上最可靠的儀仗是虔誠保守的基督徒……經歷這麼多權謀算計之後，自詡進步開明獨立的反殖進步人士輕易的隨著蘇聯的投機翻雲覆雨，為與以色列做對不惜擁抱反猶主義。到最後真正關心以色列和猶太人死活的只有不問政爭權謀，只相信上帝應許的基督徒。
The Israelis also counted on the support of international anti-imperialist and anti-colonial progressives in the first place. As a result, these people pointed at Israel when the Israelis needed them, and they followed in the footsteps of the Soviet Union when Israel was in the most danger. After the tribulation, Israel's most reliable guard of honor in the international arena is devout and conservative Christians... After experiencing so many scheming schemes, anti-colonial progressives who claim to be progressive, enlightened and independent easily followed the Soviet Union's speculation and embraced anti-Semitism in order to oppose Israel. In the end, the only ones who really care about the life and death of Israel and the Jews are Christians who don't care about politics and tactics, but only believe in God's promises.