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[2023-11-12T01:46:29Z] <ukky> I made many packages for CRUX, but had only one package for Gentoo. BTW, they both are source-based, like KISS.
[2023-11-12T01:48:54Z] <ukky> Can you find crtatmega328p.o, libatmega328p.a, libatmega328p.o on your system?
[2023-11-12T01:49:21Z] <asimovsh> yeah
[2023-11-12T01:49:34Z] <asimovsh> like i said
[2023-11-12T01:49:51Z] <asimovsh> is in /usr/avr/lib/avr5
[2023-11-12T01:57:20Z] <ukky> Try: avr-gcc -mmcu=atmega328p -o uart_test.elf main.c -L/usr/lib/avr/avr6
[2023-11-12T01:57:43Z] <ukky> s/avr6/avr5/
[2023-11-12T01:59:13Z] <ukky> You should use main.c instead of main.o when running gcc
[2023-11-12T03:42:42Z] <synimas> Does kiss package manager support meson?
[2023-11-12T03:56:29Z] <asimovsh> what you mean by support?
[2023-11-12T03:57:17Z] <synimas> Will it use meson if the package i add to my personal repo needs it
[2023-11-12T03:57:51Z] <asimovsh> if you have meson installed
[2023-11-12T03:58:05Z] <asimovsh> you can build your package
[2023-11-12T03:58:17Z] <asimovsh> all kiss does is like exec the instructions
[2023-11-12T03:59:03Z] <synimas> Okay, and does anyone have a script that auto generates /version files?
[2023-11-12T03:59:59Z] <asimovsh> i dont think so
[2023-11-12T04:00:17Z] <asimovsh> since you need to change the sources and version file everytime
[2023-11-12T04:01:28Z] <synimas> Ah damn, was hoping itd be automatic on custom repos lol
[2023-11-12T04:03:12Z] <asimovsh> just checksums are like that
[2023-11-12T04:03:30Z] <asimovsh> but maybe people have something
[2023-11-12T04:08:08Z] <synimas> There a usermod command in busybox?
[2023-11-12T05:23:20Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2023-11-12T06:42:20Z] <sewn> hi sad_plan
[2023-11-12T06:42:38Z] <sewn> have you guys ever tased Lindt chocolate before?
[2023-11-12T06:49:17Z] <sad_plan> I dont belive I have
[2023-11-12T06:50:52Z] <sewn> give me your IBAN so i can wire transfer you the money to buy one
[2023-11-12T06:51:00Z] <sewn> best chocolate ever
[2023-11-12T06:52:52Z] <sad_plan> riight. never seem them before though. I dont belive they sell them here
[2023-11-12T06:53:02Z] <sad_plan> nor in sweden for that matter
[2023-11-12T06:53:02Z] <sewn> fidn them in ur local supersupermarket
[2023-11-12T06:53:17Z] <sewn> woah youre live in sweden????
[2023-11-12T06:53:20Z] <sewn> thats awesome
[2023-11-12T06:53:35Z] <sewn> then im sure you know who sjalv: is i think
[2023-11-12T06:53:39Z] <sad_plan> what
[2023-11-12T06:53:46Z] <synimas> Whats the best way to modify the bemenu config?
[2023-11-12T06:53:52Z] <sad_plan> you already know where I live
[2023-11-12T06:53:57Z] <sewn> synimas: man 1 bemenu
[2023-11-12T06:54:04Z] <sad_plan> and no I dont know who sjalv: is
[2023-11-12T06:54:15Z] <sewn> you can use environment variables to configure bemenu i believe
[2023-11-12T06:54:31Z] <synimas> Ah, thought it was a config.h as well
[2023-11-12T06:54:41Z] <sewn> its wayland, you dont usually expect suckless style software there anymore
[2023-11-12T06:54:45Z] <synimas> Also, is putting dwl in my .profile a bad idea?
[2023-11-12T06:54:56Z] <sewn> if youre using [ $tty = /dev/tty ] && dwl then no its a good idea
[2023-11-12T06:55:23Z] <sewn> unless youre starting other software in your profile
[2023-11-12T06:55:32Z] <sewn> like pipewire or dbus or anything for that matter other than dwl
[2023-11-12T06:55:35Z] <synimas> Does that open it in a separate tty?
[2023-11-12T06:55:35Z] <sad_plan> whats wrong with just typing dwl manually when you log in instead?
[2023-11-12T06:56:05Z] <synimas> Prefer not too
[2023-11-12T06:56:26Z] <sewn> sad_plan: ive been always manually starting wayland and xorg by hand and i can see why autostart can be better
[2023-11-12T06:56:32Z] <sewn> or autologin for that matter
[2023-11-12T06:58:11Z] <sad_plan> I get the deal, you just wanna jump straight into the action. I like having to enter my login credentials instead, just type sx to start a X server instead.
[2023-11-12T06:58:27Z] <sewn> same, its more secure sometimes
[2023-11-12T06:58:41Z] <sewn> especially for laptops (except having slock & encrypted disk)
[2023-11-12T06:58:41Z] <synimas> Your string gets a unary operator expected output
[2023-11-12T06:58:48Z] <sad_plan> in case I wreck something, I dont have to deal with my .profile attempting to start something thats broken
[2023-11-12T06:59:13Z] <synimas> Actually thats a fair point, i dont have other ttys setup atm
[2023-11-12T06:59:30Z] <sewn> sad_plan: thats why you have the tty check to only tty1
[2023-11-12T06:59:37Z] <sewn> kiss unfortunately doesnt really set up all the ttys for whatever reason
[2023-11-12T07:00:06Z] <sad_plan> its setup by runit instead. however theres nothing stopping you from  having your init start them instead
[2023-11-12T07:00:11Z] <sewn> runit doesnt setup ttys
[2023-11-12T07:00:16Z] <sad_plan> I used to do that before
[2023-11-12T07:00:42Z] <sad_plan> did init handle it?
[2023-11-12T07:00:45Z] <sad_plan> I forget
[2023-11-12T07:00:53Z] <sewn> inittab handles it yes
[2023-11-12T07:00:57Z] <sad_plan> havent used KISS' init in a long time now
[2023-11-12T07:01:00Z] <sad_plan> right
[2023-11-12T07:01:05Z] <sewn> runit should handle it imo tbh
[2023-11-12T07:01:46Z] <sad_plan> yeah, it keeps it out of the init system, and if you wanna start more/less ttys, you can easily activate/deactivate them. its how I have them setup
[2023-11-12T07:02:35Z] <sad_plan> I just have rcsm start my gettys instead. makes me depend on rcsm, which maybe is less ideal, but Im probably always going to have a service manager anyway so
[2023-11-12T07:02:54Z] <sewn> why dont you make a kiss fork?
[2023-11-12T07:02:56Z] <synimas> Ill just throw a shell script link with my starting shit into bin
[2023-11-12T07:03:09Z] <sewn> synimas: make sure its local, like ~/bin or ~/.local/bin
[2023-11-12T07:03:14Z] <sewn> u dont wanna be touching /usr
[2023-11-12T07:03:32Z] <sad_plan> sewn: wym, I have a kiss fork
[2023-11-12T07:03:41Z] <sewn> i mean, a full fork
[2023-11-12T07:03:45Z] <sewn> like complete detachment
[2023-11-12T07:03:52Z] <synimas> Do i have to add ~/bin to path?
[2023-11-12T07:03:56Z] <sewn> ofc
[2023-11-12T07:04:10Z] <synimas> Also, why shant i bother /usr?
[2023-11-12T07:04:15Z] <sewn> sad_plan: you should name it breakup linux
[2023-11-12T07:04:27Z] <sewn> synimas: mostly because its reserved for system programs and such
[2023-11-12T07:04:31Z] <sad_plan> lol, why that name though?
[2023-11-12T07:04:36Z] <sewn> because youre sad_plan
[2023-11-12T07:04:41Z] <synimas> What ab /bin
[2023-11-12T07:04:41Z] <sewn> and youre forking off kiss
[2023-11-12T07:04:44Z] <sad_plan> right
[2023-11-12T07:04:47Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2023-11-12T07:04:51Z] <sewn> /bin is symlink to /usr/bin
[2023-11-12T07:05:07Z] <synimas> Ah i see
[2023-11-12T07:05:38Z] <sad_plan> anyway, I almost have all packages I use in my repo. I however dont really see any benefit to instead have all of them in my repo. and who else but me would even use it?
[2023-11-12T07:05:42Z] <synimas> Most applications use /usr
[2023-11-12T07:06:29Z] <sewn> sad_plan: i would
[2023-11-12T07:06:46Z] <sewn> thats if it actually switches out system components for better alternatives as well
[2023-11-12T07:06:59Z] <sewn> i have ran sbase and ubase but you can recall how that wen
[2023-11-12T07:07:00Z] <sewn> t
[2023-11-12T07:07:00Z] <sad_plan> dont you require abit more performane than what tinyx gives you?
[2023-11-12T07:07:10Z] <sewn> tinyx just doesnt work for me AFAIK
[2023-11-12T07:07:14Z] <sad_plan> you were displeased by no colors
[2023-11-12T07:07:22Z] <sad_plan> why wouldnt it?
[2023-11-12T07:07:24Z] <sewn> yk actually hold on
[2023-11-12T07:07:28Z] <sewn> its in kiss-xorg right
[2023-11-12T07:07:31Z] <sad_plan> yep
[2023-11-12T07:07:32Z] <sewn> kiss b tinyx
[2023-11-12T07:07:36Z] <sad_plan> yes
[2023-11-12T07:07:46Z] <sewn> to launch it is Xfbdev?
[2023-11-12T07:07:56Z] <sad_plan> no, you gotta fix sx first
[2023-11-12T07:08:02Z] <sewn> right
[2023-11-12T07:08:04Z] <sad_plan> you can use mine if id like instead
[2023-11-12T07:08:07Z] <sewn> ill use yours yeah
[2023-11-12T07:08:20Z] <sad_plan> http://0x0.st/Hvi4.sh
[2023-11-12T07:08:25Z] <sad_plan> or fetch it in my repo
[2023-11-12T07:08:27Z] <sewn> thanksies 
[2023-11-12T07:09:06Z] <sewn> doesnt seem like Mod4 works
[2023-11-12T07:09:10Z] <sad_plan> it doesnt
[2023-11-12T07:09:11Z] <sewn> so i cant launch a terminal
[2023-11-12T07:09:13Z] <sewn> why not?
[2023-11-12T07:09:21Z] <sad_plan> tinyx doesnt support it
[2023-11-12T07:09:47Z] <sewn> well i like to have modkey
[2023-11-12T07:09:50Z] <sad_plan> its even been discussed at tinycorelinux's forums. its seems theyre rather annoyd by it aswell, but ive yet to see any fix for it..
[2023-11-12T07:10:04Z] <sad_plan> it would be alot more convinient. but ive learned to live without it
[2023-11-12T07:10:08Z] <sewn> even XFree86 supported mod4
[2023-11-12T07:10:15Z] <sewn> ill change it to alt and see if GLX works
[2023-11-12T07:10:17Z] <sad_plan> just like I dont have scrollback on my terminal
[2023-11-12T07:10:22Z] <sad_plan> yeah
[2023-11-12T07:10:43Z] <sewn> sad_plan: i dont mean to be discourging, but you dont really deserve to live by these restrictions tbh
[2023-11-12T07:10:49Z] <sad_plan> hm, maybe some doofus removed it. seeings as xorg is a fork of Xfree86
[2023-11-12T07:10:58Z] <sad_plan> lol, wym?
[2023-11-12T07:11:10Z] <sewn> idk you dont have to restrict yourself
[2023-11-12T07:11:50Z] <sad_plan> I dont, I just dont care for scrollback anymore, and Id rather have a statically linked tinyx, than having to deal with abi instabillty from time to time
[2023-11-12T07:12:11Z] <sad_plan> not that I have that issue too much, but its anoying when it happens
[2023-11-12T07:12:25Z] <sewn> interestingly, tinyX supports EGL but not Vulkan or OpenGL
[2023-11-12T07:12:42Z] <sad_plan> huh. so no gaming for you on tinyx then :P
[2023-11-12T07:12:42Z] <sewn> doesnt seem to support Xinerama or Xrandr though
[2023-11-12T07:13:01Z] <sad_plan> the performance would be horrendous anyway though
[2023-11-12T07:13:01Z] <sewn> even mcf's tiny wayland compositor has bare bones multi monitor support though
[2023-11-12T07:13:10Z] <synimas> Accidentally made my start wayland command shorthand as sway lmao
[2023-11-12T07:13:19Z] <synimas> Fitting?
[2023-11-12T07:13:22Z] <sad_plan> tinyx doesnt afaik. its rather barebone
[2023-11-12T07:13:36Z] <sad_plan> which is fine by me, as I only use 1 monitor anyway
[2023-11-12T07:13:43Z] <sewn> synimas: i named mine sw like sx
[2023-11-12T07:13:54Z] <sewn> i see
[2023-11-12T07:14:10Z] <synimas> I always used startx
[2023-11-12T07:14:13Z] <sewn> do you run on a thinkpad?
[2023-11-12T07:14:19Z] <synimas> Yeah
[2023-11-12T07:14:22Z] <synimas> X270
[2023-11-12T07:14:30Z] <sewn> booo
[2023-11-12T07:14:34Z] <synimas> Is feh in any repos?
[2023-11-12T07:14:42Z] <synimas> Lmao, you use a mac or sum?
[2023-11-12T07:14:45Z] <sad_plan> sx is leaner though. its just a small shell script
[2023-11-12T07:14:53Z] <sad_plan> feh is in kiss-xorg synimas 
[2023-11-12T07:14:57Z] <sewn> synimas: feh is in kiss-xorg, but for a wayland image viewer user soething like mpv or pqiv
[2023-11-12T07:15:03Z] <sewn> or... god forbid imv
[2023-11-12T07:15:12Z] <synimas> Oh i meant for setting wallpapers lol
[2023-11-12T07:15:12Z] <sewn> sad_plan: what about you? what kind of thinkpad do you use?
[2023-11-12T07:15:15Z] <sewn> synimas: use wbg
[2023-11-12T07:15:20Z] <synimas> Thank you
[2023-11-12T07:15:21Z] <sewn> or swaybg if youre using sway
[2023-11-12T07:15:27Z] <sad_plan> I dont have a thinkpad. I have an acer laptop
[2023-11-12T07:16:11Z] <synimas> God everything takes so long to setup
[2023-11-12T07:16:22Z] <sad_plan> aside from that, I have an old desktop I built like 10 years ago 
[2023-11-12T07:17:10Z] <sad_plan> synimas: no it doesnt. if you do things properly, you only have to set things up once. put everything in a kiss repo, and just build everything, and youre done :D even the kernel
[2023-11-12T07:17:12Z] <synimas> There an updated list of kiss repos somewhere?
[2023-11-12T07:17:16Z] <sewn> synimas: kiss-find
[2023-11-12T07:17:20Z] <sad_plan> ^
[2023-11-12T07:17:27Z] <sad_plan> its in community
[2023-11-12T07:17:31Z] <synimas> I mean the initial setup
[2023-11-12T07:17:47Z] <sad_plan> well yeah, that takes time
[2023-11-12T07:18:00Z] <sewn> it doesnt take time if you have dotfiles ready
[2023-11-12T07:18:07Z] <sewn> but if you have a 10 year old machine then yes it will take forever!!!!
[2023-11-12T07:18:30Z] <synimas> Gotta learn how to make a kiss repo
[2023-11-12T07:18:34Z] <sad_plan> its no faster than my shitty laptop tbqh sewn
[2023-11-12T07:18:49Z] <sad_plan> and my laptop is 5 years old now? i think
[2023-11-12T07:18:51Z] <sewn> im still considering running kiss on my thinkpad, im scared it will explode
[2023-11-12T07:18:52Z] <synimas> Then its on to taking learning c and cpp seriously
[2023-11-12T07:19:14Z] <synimas> I bought an ax210 specifially for using linux without modules
[2023-11-12T07:19:27Z] <synimas> The wifi card
[2023-11-12T07:19:38Z] <sad_plan> sewn: itll just take a really long time to build stuff. try a rpi instead if you love waiting for things to compile :p
[2023-11-12T07:19:55Z] <sewn> i will just use distcc so i can offload the work to my pc
[2023-11-12T07:19:55Z] <sad_plan> would probably either not be able to, or take a month to build a whole system
[2023-11-12T07:19:59Z] <synimas> Is crosscompiling from windows super gross?
[2023-11-12T07:20:04Z] <sad_plan> thats cheating
[2023-11-12T07:20:04Z] <sewn> yes
[2023-11-12T07:20:05Z] <sewn> absolutely
[2023-11-12T07:20:09Z] <sewn> you are a criminal SCUM
[2023-11-12T07:20:10Z] <synimas> Lmfao
[2023-11-12T07:20:22Z] <synimas> Anyone have an irc relay that i can mooch off of?
[2023-11-12T07:20:26Z] <sewn> you mean bouncer?
[2023-11-12T07:20:30Z] <synimas> Yeah
[2023-11-12T07:20:38Z] <synimas> Cant find a pubnix with one atm
[2023-11-12T07:20:40Z] <sewn> well i know two free bouncers
[2023-11-12T07:20:56Z] <sewn> one is a pubnix hosted on projectsegfau.lt but its somewhat unstable so i moved to pico.sh 
[2023-11-12T07:21:07Z] <sewn> pico.sh is also unstable but it goes back instantly
[2023-11-12T07:21:25Z] <sewn> theres even sourcehut but you pay for it
[2023-11-12T07:21:44Z] <synimas> Once i setup my repos with dwl and pfetch and shit it all should be unlimited right?
[2023-11-12T07:21:48Z] <sewn> sure
[2023-11-12T07:21:52Z] <synimas> Automatic i mean
[2023-11-12T07:22:00Z] <sewn> kiss u && kiss U from then
[2023-11-12T07:22:01Z] <synimas> Idk where unlimited came from
[2023-11-12T07:22:18Z] <synimas> My end goal is minecraft
[2023-11-12T07:22:33Z] <sad_plan> wait, a free bouncer. that nice though
[2023-11-12T07:22:51Z] <sewn> i wanted to donate to projectsegfault because i used their bouncer for some time
[2023-11-12T07:23:01Z] <sewn> but they use liberapay and i dont want to make a one time payment
[2023-11-12T07:23:07Z] <sewn> i mean, i want to, just not monthly
[2023-11-12T07:23:11Z] <synimas> Im too lazy to check logs
[2023-11-12T07:23:11Z] <sad_plan> i get that
[2023-11-12T07:23:39Z] <sad_plan> I do check logs here, but #oasis dont have logs.. not that it has lots of activity though
[2023-11-12T07:23:48Z] <sewn> theres always free bouncers
[2023-11-12T07:23:59Z] <sewn> theres ZNC on envs.net (i use it for my matrix) but it was horrible to setup
[2023-11-12T07:24:15Z] <synimas> Matrix pisses me off
[2023-11-12T07:24:18Z] <synimas> Way too slow
[2023-11-12T07:24:22Z] <sewn> depends on the homeserver
[2023-11-12T07:24:33Z] <sewn> i stopped using matrix because the EMS libera bridge died
[2023-11-12T07:24:41Z] <synimas> Even on my modern desktop its slow, but yes it does depend on the homeserver
[2023-11-12T07:24:42Z] <sad_plan> I see. didnt think there were any free bouncers. but now that I think about it, people offer alot of things for free so, why not bouncers aswell
[2023-11-12T07:25:01Z] <synimas> Why use matrix when xmpp is the sams shit
[2023-11-12T07:25:05Z] <synimas> Reinventing the wheel
[2023-11-12T07:25:29Z] <sewn> i used matrix because of the irc bridge
[2023-11-12T07:25:33Z] <averymt> setting up znc on your machine isn't difficult either, that's what I use as a bouncer
[2023-11-12T07:25:53Z] <sewn> i cant use my irc client with it
[2023-11-12T07:26:30Z] <sad_plan> sewn: do you use the webclient for pico, or a terminal irc client?
[2023-11-12T07:26:35Z] <sewn> i use senpai
[2023-11-12T07:26:42Z] <sewn> senpai(1) forever
[2023-11-12T07:26:49Z] <sad_plan> catgirl forever bruh
[2023-11-12T07:26:58Z] <sewn> ok fine ill try it
[2023-11-12T07:27:12Z] <sewn> it only makes sense if im using pounce as the bouncer though
[2023-11-12T07:27:19Z] <sewn> senpai was designed around soju
[2023-11-12T07:27:20Z] <sad_plan> lol. I wish it was a bit more customizable though. like irssi i.e
[2023-11-12T07:27:27Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2023-11-12T07:27:29Z] <sewn> while catgirl wasnt really designed for-
[2023-11-12T07:27:35Z] <sad_plan> isnt senpai written in go or something?
[2023-11-12T07:27:37Z] <sewn> >https://x0.at/lTvC.txt
[2023-11-12T07:27:50Z] <sewn> sad_plan: yes, i like it for that reason too
[2023-11-12T07:28:14Z] <sad_plan> are you using netbsd-curses?
[2023-11-12T07:28:21Z] <sewn> senpai doesnt need ncurses
[2023-11-12T07:28:24Z] <sad_plan> go build for me
[2023-11-12T07:28:30Z] <sewn> it uses tcell and its own vendored tui code
[2023-11-12T07:28:36Z] <sad_plan> cool
[2023-11-12T07:28:42Z] <sewn> see above log though, cant build catgirl
[2023-11-12T07:28:43Z] <synimas> Bemenu doesnt have a pixel by pixel size modifacation lol
[2023-11-12T07:28:45Z] <sewn> she doesnt like me
[2023-11-12T07:28:49Z] <synimas> Just scale
[2023-11-12T07:29:04Z] <sad_plan> try the one in my repo. it has couple patches from oasis. so should build with netbsd-curses
[2023-11-12T07:29:26Z] <sad_plan> does for me anyway
[2023-11-12T07:29:31Z] <sewn> oh yeah
[2023-11-12T07:29:38Z] <sewn> kiss-dumpsterfire right?
[2023-11-12T07:29:42Z] <sad_plan> ye
[2023-11-12T07:30:09Z] <synimas> Nvm i lied
[2023-11-12T07:30:23Z] <sewn> sad_plan: https://x0.at/7FXL.txt
[2023-11-12T07:30:25Z] <sad_plan> didnt your momma teach you not to lie synimas
[2023-11-12T07:31:01Z] <sad_plan> ah, remove the static flag. 
[2023-11-12T07:31:05Z] <sad_plan> as I build it statically linked
[2023-11-12T07:31:07Z] <sewn> right lmao
[2023-11-12T07:31:13Z] <synimas> No but she did tell me football was a mans game
[2023-11-12T07:31:18Z] <sad_plan> not sure how good openssl is for that
[2023-11-12T07:31:37Z] <sad_plan> synimas: does she not know theres womans football?
[2023-11-12T07:31:48Z] <synimas> Shes dead
[2023-11-12T07:31:56Z] <synimas> She doesnt know shit
[2023-11-12T07:32:05Z] <sad_plan> Im sorry to hear that
[2023-11-12T07:32:06Z] <sewn> jeez man shes yo mom
[2023-11-12T07:32:12Z] <sad_plan> damn
[2023-11-12T07:32:37Z] <sewn> sad_plan: this is gonna sound stupid but how on earth do i configure this
[2023-11-12T07:33:03Z] <synimas> ./j
[2023-11-12T07:33:09Z] <sad_plan> it does have a configure file you can use, aside from that, it doesnt really need much
[2023-11-12T07:33:13Z] <synimas> Prob shojldbe said ghG
[2023-11-12T07:33:18Z] <synimas> God k cant type
[2023-11-12T07:33:18Z] <sewn> are u good
[2023-11-12T07:33:47Z] <sad_plan> man catgirl will tell you about it sewn. you can also generate a token so youll autmatically be authenticated. 
[2023-11-12T07:33:54Z] <sewn> ah ok cool
[2023-11-12T07:34:09Z] <sewn> no mouse support?
[2023-11-12T07:34:19Z] <sad_plan> ive never gotten it to work though. however im probably doing something wrong. never bothered to fix it again
[2023-11-12T07:34:22Z] <sad_plan> nah
[2023-11-12T07:34:22Z] <meow> hi
[2023-11-12T07:34:24Z] <meow> bye
[2023-11-12T07:34:36Z] <sewn> didnt ask me much about configuration
[2023-11-12T07:34:41Z] <sewn> needed to set a host though
[2023-11-12T07:34:51Z] <sad_plan> yeah, host is the only requirement
[2023-11-12T07:35:00Z] <sewn> is there a sample config i can look after
[2023-11-12T07:35:20Z] <sewn> oh right its there
[2023-11-12T07:35:24Z] <sewn> the man page is really thorough
[2023-11-12T07:35:28Z] <sad_plan> yep
[2023-11-12T07:36:49Z] <synimas> Is qutebrowser in a repo?
[2023-11-12T07:36:58Z] <sewn> nope
[2023-11-12T07:37:02Z] <synimas> Unfortunate
[2023-11-12T07:37:11Z] <sad_plan> doesnt that still only run on X? or has it been ported to wayland
[2023-11-12T07:37:11Z] <sewn> its QT and rather massive
[2023-11-12T07:37:13Z] <synimas> Any vim based browsers?
[2023-11-12T07:37:14Z] <sewn> you could use webkit though
[2023-11-12T07:37:21Z] <synimas> Like vimb
[2023-11-12T07:37:22Z] <sad_plan> surfer, if youre on wayland
[2023-11-12T07:37:22Z] <sewn> synimas: theres uh
[2023-11-12T07:37:25Z] <sewn> woah surfer??
[2023-11-12T07:37:35Z] <synimas> Seems vimb is there
[2023-11-12T07:37:35Z] <sad_plan> or vimb, luakit, wyeb on X
[2023-11-12T07:37:40Z] <sewn> oh right neosurf doesnt have wayland
[2023-11-12T07:37:51Z] <sad_plan> neosurf?
[2023-11-12T07:37:51Z] <sewn> neosurf is netsurf but with vi interface (like netsurf-vi by ddevault)
[2023-11-12T07:37:53Z] <synimas> Does vimb automagically go for wayland?
[2023-11-12T07:37:57Z] <sewn> vimb is just electron
[2023-11-12T07:38:01Z] <sewn> i think
[2023-11-12T07:38:02Z] <sad_plan> aaah, yeah thats the browser from cobaltlinux
[2023-11-12T07:38:06Z] <sad_plan> vimb is webkit
[2023-11-12T07:38:11Z] <sewn> oh right vieb is the one with electron
[2023-11-12T07:38:14Z] <sad_plan> yes
[2023-11-12T07:38:20Z] <sewn> honestly wasnt that great
[2023-11-12T07:38:26Z] <synimas> Looks like vimb is in the xorg repo, does kt need xorg deps?
[2023-11-12T07:38:45Z] <sad_plan> it needs stuff from kiss-xorg, so kinda
[2023-11-12T07:38:57Z] <sewn> sad_plan: sasl external 'cert' configuration is like automatic password login right?
[2023-11-12T07:39:15Z] <sad_plan> yes, thats atleast how I understand it
[2023-11-12T07:39:40Z] <sad_plan> but ive never gotten it to work. not sure why. lmk if you get it to work, and ill revisit it
[2023-11-12T07:42:04Z] <sewn> its stuck on travelling thats for sure
[2023-11-12T07:42:11Z] <sewn> might not work with soju
[2023-11-12T07:42:33Z] <sewn> yep ok i cant use catgirl, sad
[2023-11-12T07:42:50Z] <sad_plan> sasl doesnt work?
[2023-11-12T07:42:55Z] <sewn> no i just cant use my bouncer
[2023-11-12T07:43:02Z] <sad_plan> ah
[2023-11-12T07:43:35Z] <sewn> according to the soju README, catgirl *barely* implements soju's features
[2023-11-12T07:43:46Z] <sewn> and they explicitly said that supporting soju is a non goal
[2023-11-12T07:43:53Z] <sewn> maybe when i have my own server ill setup pounce or something
[2023-11-12T07:43:54Z] <sad_plan> hm. I see
[2023-11-12T07:47:24Z] <synimas> Can anyone spare a someblocks config?
[2023-11-12T07:47:30Z] <sewn> synimas: use slstatus
[2023-11-12T07:47:43Z] <sewn> someblocks is bleh
[2023-11-12T07:47:46Z] <sewn> cpp
[2023-11-12T07:47:53Z] <sad_plan> no bar is best bar
[2023-11-12T07:47:54Z] <synimas> Okay
[2023-11-12T07:48:06Z] <sewn> sad_plan: i used to live with no bar for a long time on dwl
[2023-11-12T07:48:16Z] <sewn> till i got bored and made my own bar
[2023-11-12T07:48:16Z] <sewn> then realized how hard it was
[2023-11-12T07:48:34Z] <sewn> because of the compositor only having the ability to communicate either via IPC or stdout
[2023-11-12T07:48:43Z] <sewn> slstatus just worked out of the box though
[2023-11-12T07:48:54Z] <sewn> you can use slstatus -s and then just have the bar read from it
[2023-11-12T07:49:09Z] <synimas> Can slstatus run any command and display the output?
[2023-11-12T07:49:14Z] <sewn> yes, read the config.h
[2023-11-12T07:49:15Z] <sad_plan> I see. Ive never bothered with it. I can see the aestetics with it, but I dont personally need it.
[2023-11-12T07:49:16Z] <sewn> run_command
[2023-11-12T07:49:36Z] <synimas> Ive got two batteries, id be convenient to see em both
[2023-11-12T07:49:40Z] <synimas> Ah okah
[2023-11-12T07:49:55Z] <synimas> You read and reply fast, whats your wpm?
[2023-11-12T07:50:02Z] <sad_plan> me?
[2023-11-12T07:50:09Z] <synimas> sewn:
[2023-11-12T07:50:30Z] <sewn> why does that matter?
[2023-11-12T07:50:36Z] <synimas> It doesnt
[2023-11-12T07:50:37Z] <sewn> skill matters more in this case 
[2023-11-12T07:50:45Z] <sewn> im not sure what my wpm is tho
[2023-11-12T07:51:12Z] <synimas> Suprised suckless hasnt moved over to wayland
[2023-11-12T07:51:23Z] <sewn> i have 134wpm
[2023-11-12T07:51:25Z] <sewn> what about you sad_plan
[2023-11-12T07:51:29Z] <sad_plan> they seem to hate on wayland
[2023-11-12T07:51:30Z] <synimas> St is the worst god damn terminal ever though
[2023-11-12T07:51:34Z] <sewn> synimas: its hard to program for wayland
[2023-11-12T07:51:40Z] <sad_plan> I was just going to do a monkeytype and tell you
[2023-11-12T07:51:46Z] <sewn> i disagree, foot is much better than st
[2023-11-12T07:51:53Z] <sewn> although it lacks like ONE or TWO things bad
[2023-11-12T07:52:04Z] <sewn> in terms of featureset, but in design st wins
[2023-11-12T07:52:09Z] <synimas> Thats what i just said
[2023-11-12T07:52:12Z] <sewn> like foot has tons of goodies
[2023-11-12T07:52:13Z] <sewn> a
[2023-11-12T07:52:22Z] <synimas> But why does st win design?
[2023-11-12T07:52:38Z] <sad_plan> sewn: uh, I got 88
[2023-11-12T07:52:44Z] <synimas> Mines bad
[2023-11-12T07:52:49Z] <synimas> I need to work on it
[2023-11-12T07:52:51Z] <sad_plan> I really like st
[2023-11-12T07:52:52Z] <sewn> wpm doesnt matter guys
[2023-11-12T07:53:07Z] <sad_plan> I know. I personally think I type plenty fast enough
[2023-11-12T07:53:21Z] <sewn> yeah i was a bit confused
[2023-11-12T07:53:26Z] <synimas> My thumb typing is lacming in ghe accurate category
[2023-11-12T07:53:31Z] <sewn> see that 134wpm i have? in reality i type pretty slow because of slow brain formulating thoughts
[2023-11-12T07:54:39Z] <synimas> Yall know learncpp.com?
[2023-11-12T07:54:44Z] <sad_plan> no
[2023-11-12T07:54:46Z] <sewn> no
[2023-11-12T07:54:55Z] <sad_plan> C>cpp
[2023-11-12T07:54:59Z] <synimas> Ah damn, check it out then
[2023-11-12T07:55:05Z] <synimas> But thats what i was gling to ask
[2023-11-12T07:55:15Z] <synimas> If there was anything like that but for c
[2023-11-12T07:55:19Z] <sewn> the C99 book
[2023-11-12T07:55:30Z] <sewn> or something
[2023-11-12T07:55:43Z] <sewn> me i learned C from writing suckless patches and small little programs
[2023-11-12T07:55:55Z] <synimas> There a version thats been put into html form?
[2023-11-12T07:56:07Z] <sad_plan> theres tons of resources for learning C all around. udemy, codecademy, aswell as numerous books
[2023-11-12T07:56:37Z] <sewn> AOC is coming up
[2023-11-12T07:56:44Z] <sewn> woah ilt
[2023-11-12T07:56:46Z] <synimas> Whats aoc
[2023-11-12T07:56:49Z] <sewn> advent of code
[2023-11-12T07:56:52Z] <synimas> Articles lf confed?
[2023-11-12T07:56:54Z] <sad_plan> there is https://www.learn-c.org/ though
[2023-11-12T07:56:56Z] <synimas> Oh
[2023-11-12T07:57:17Z] <ilt> time for rebranding
[2023-11-12T07:57:32Z] <sewn> you got tired of people not writing your name correctly illiliti?
[2023-11-12T07:57:50Z] <ilt> maybe
[2023-11-12T07:57:57Z] <sewn> took me some time to memorize
[2023-11-12T07:58:21Z] <synimas> Might link config.h to .config lol
[2023-11-12T07:58:24Z] <ilt> wanted to take ill but it's taken already :(
[2023-11-12T07:58:25Z] <sewn> you could also just switch one letter and boom, youre lit
[2023-11-12T07:59:18Z] <synimas> What rss feeds do yall use for security information?
[2023-11-12T07:59:25Z] <sewn> i dont use rss
[2023-11-12T07:59:26Z] <synimas> Or mailing lists
[2023-11-12T07:59:57Z] <sewn> i just follow phoronix every once in a while
[2023-11-12T08:09:17Z] <sewn> sad_plan: nice CFLAGS
[2023-11-12T08:09:20Z] <sewn> are they for like
[2023-11-12T08:09:21Z] <sewn> optimizations?
[2023-11-12T08:09:55Z] <sad_plan> yeah more or less. smaller size, and faster binaries
[2023-11-12T08:10:01Z] <sewn> can i copy
[2023-11-12T08:10:06Z] <sad_plan> sure
[2023-11-12T08:10:19Z] <sewn> aweosme
[2023-11-12T08:10:20Z] <sad_plan> not sure how much effect they have though. never measured it
[2023-11-12T08:10:29Z] <sewn> you should take a look at glaucus's cflags
[2023-11-12T08:11:02Z] <sewn> https://github.com/glaucuslinux/radula/blob/main/tests/genome/test_radula_behave_flags_environment_x86_64.nim#L18
[2023-11-12T08:11:10Z] <sewn> they have alot of stuff for optimization
[2023-11-12T08:11:16Z] <sad_plan> glacus is actually really interesting. as he has both speed, aswell as alot of securityflags. which I like.
[2023-11-12T08:11:23Z] <sewn> firasuke made alot of work to make it very fast and very secure
[2023-11-12T08:11:56Z] <sad_plan> I made a file which lists aloot of compilerflags, aswell as their tldr. still needs alot of work though
[2023-11-12T08:56:52Z] <synimas> I want to go to bed but some shit is building
[2023-11-12T08:57:05Z] <synimas> Dumbass dilemma
[2023-11-12T08:57:28Z] <synimas> Its been an hour and a half, build faster
[2023-11-12T09:07:18Z] <sewn> what r u building synimas
[2023-11-12T18:29:35Z] <synimas> sewn: some x dependency of vimb, not sure what
[2023-11-12T18:29:52Z] <sewn> logs?
[2023-11-12T18:30:06Z] <sewn> all you need is webkit and gtk
[2023-11-12T18:32:18Z] <synimas> I was building it with kiss b
[2023-11-12T18:32:40Z] <synimas> I can grab logs in maybe 20 minutes
[2023-11-12T19:08:44Z] <synimas> Odd, i build it now and it doesnt need those deps lol
[2023-11-12T19:09:18Z] <synimas> Made me go from 70 packages to 107 tho
[2023-11-12T19:09:41Z] <synimas> Looks like webkitgtk was the package taking forever to build
[2023-11-12T19:09:46Z] <sewn> yes fat
[2023-11-12T19:10:09Z] <synimas> But also, me slow computer
[2023-11-12T19:12:36Z] <synimas> Which repo should i use for up to date seatd?
[2023-11-12T19:12:48Z] <synimas> Dilyn corner has seatd-git
[2023-11-12T19:15:30Z] <sewn> synimas: what
[2023-11-12T19:15:33Z] <sewn> juse use 
[2023-11-12T19:15:34Z] <sewn> `libseat`
[2023-11-12T20:46:28Z] <synimas> Failed compile, http://0x0.st/HvXY.txt
[2023-11-12T20:47:45Z] <synimas> ```[ 49%] Building CXX object Source/WebCore/CMakeFiles/WebCore.dir/__/__/WebCore/DerivedSources/unified-sources/UnifiedSource-5037b3e8-1.cpp.o
[2023-11-12T20:47:46Z] <synimas> In file included from /home/synima/.cache/kiss/proc/2990/build/webkit2gtk/build/WebCore/DerivedSources/unified-sources/UnifiedSource-68aea4ac-20.cpp:6:
[2023-11-12T20:47:46Z] <synimas> /home/synima/.cache/kiss/proc/2990/build/webkit2gtk/Source/WebCore/bindings/js/SerializedScriptValue.cpp: In member function 'bool WebCore::CloneSerializer::dumpIfTerminal(JSC::JSValue, WebCore::SerializationReturnCode&)':
[2023-11-12T20:47:46Z] <synimas> /home/synima/.cache/kiss/proc/2990/build/webkit2gtk/Source/WebCore/bindings/js/SerializedScriptValue.cpp:1599:22: error: no matching function for call to 'WebCore::CloneSerializer::write(WebCore::SerializableErrorType)'
[2023-11-12T20:47:46Z] <synimas> 1599 |                 write(errorNameToSerializableErrorType(errorTypeString));```
[2023-11-12T20:47:53Z] <synimas> Oh, no formatting in irc
[2023-11-12T20:48:49Z] <synimas> Ill ask in the webkitgtk irc channel
[2023-11-12T21:01:06Z] <synima> Maybe irccloud will be better for now
[2023-11-12T21:04:40Z] <synima> There a way to clear dependencies installed by a package?
[2023-11-12T21:04:46Z] <synima> Or clear depencies not used?
[2023-11-12T21:05:42Z] <synima> Dependencies*
[2023-11-12T21:36:19Z] <synima> Or can i do kiss r * and itll remove only what doesnt have dependencies? /j
[2023-11-12T22:30:11Z] <synima> Cant find anything in the docs that has a command like autoremove