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[2023-11-10T05:45:51Z] <sewn> hi [2023-11-10T09:14:24Z] <midfavila> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=I7aprt7l42s [2023-11-10T09:14:26Z] <midfavila> not kiss related but [2023-11-10T09:14:29Z] <midfavila> massive if true [2023-11-10T09:14:41Z] <midfavila> apparently the first successful ocular transplant in history was performed recently [2023-11-10T09:16:13Z] <midfavila> bunch of reputable journals are reporting on it so [2023-11-10T09:23:36Z] <midfavila> https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/eye-transplant-1.7024033 [2023-11-10T09:43:21Z] <sewn> woah thats awesome [2023-11-10T09:43:52Z] <sewn> atleast I can live my life knowing I could be able to see again if I had lost my eyeballs [2023-11-10T12:20:01Z] <sewn> sad_plan: are you able to build htop with netbsd curses? [2023-11-10T13:23:51Z] <sad_plan> hi [2023-11-10T13:23:53Z] <sad_plan> sewn: ill check [2023-11-10T13:26:08Z] <sad_plan> no, it errors out on not finding ncurses libs. maybe due to me not having the shared ones [2023-11-10T14:01:51Z] <sewn> sad_plan: https://kitten.pastes.sh/htop-2023-11-10-17:01-24843 [2023-11-10T14:02:09Z] <sewn> its all ncurses specific stuff [2023-11-10T14:02:14Z] <sewn> btop works fine though, although its a bit bloated [2023-11-10T14:05:19Z] <sad_plan> hm, yeah. probably easy to patch though [2023-11-10T15:11:57Z] <asimovsh> hi guys [2023-11-10T15:12:22Z] <asimovsh> can someone accept my libtorrent request in community? [2023-11-10T15:16:51Z] <sad_plan> itll get merged when someone with write rights gets to it. just be patient [2023-11-10T15:19:57Z] <sad_plan> although, why only libtorrent, and not rtorrent aswell? rtorrent was i community before, and litorrent was bundled with it. [2023-11-10T15:20:09Z] <sad_plan> what other things are you using libtorrent for? [2023-11-10T15:23:49Z] <sewn> wanted to ask that, but theres like countless packages in community which dont seem to have real uses afaik [2023-11-10T15:23:58Z] <sewn> i mean, kiss wasnt designed to have descriptions within packages so idk [2023-11-10T15:29:38Z] <sad_plan> should initially manage to get rid of said packages once they get out of date, and the current maintainer is nowhere to be found though. [2023-11-10T15:30:00Z] <sad_plan> atleast thats the idea [2023-11-10T15:30:24Z] <sad_plan> however, if packages uses git, theres a different story. same with packages that no longer recieve any updates [2023-11-10T15:31:15Z] <sad_plan> but yes, out of the 351 packages currently in community, I have a hard time beliving each one of them is used by someone [2023-11-10T15:32:06Z] <sad_plan> s/351/357/ appearantly there was some new packages [2023-11-10T15:45:22Z] <asimovsh> sad_plan: i will merge rtorrent too [2023-11-10T15:45:53Z] <asimovsh> thats why i need community to accept libtorrent to get rtorrent merged [2023-11-10T15:46:27Z] <asimovsh> i separated the packages for a better organization [2023-11-10T15:46:39Z] <asimovsh> like repo does [2023-11-10T15:48:40Z] <asimovsh> sewn: the problem in community is that people just merge packages that they use [2023-11-10T15:48:47Z] <sewn> sad_plan: it hurts me to see hundreds of completely unused packages in kiss-xorg [2023-11-10T15:48:57Z] <sewn> asimovsh: whats wrong with that? [2023-11-10T15:49:22Z] <asimovsh> nothing wrong but kiss is missing too much packages [2023-11-10T15:50:20Z] <asimovsh> alpine is kinda like kiss and solved this problem of a poor packages list [2023-11-10T15:51:03Z] <sewn> alpine has thousands of packages [2023-11-10T15:54:29Z] <asimovsh> yeah [2023-11-10T15:54:34Z] <asimovsh> Thats good [2023-11-10T15:54:50Z] <sewn> and thousands of maintainers for those [2023-11-10T15:55:16Z] <asimovsh> i think kiss will die sometime for that reason [2023-11-10T15:55:39Z] <asimovsh> Dylan is missing [2023-11-10T15:55:54Z] <asimovsh> the community is not getting bigger [2023-11-10T15:56:07Z] <asimovsh> packages are dropped everytime [2023-11-10T15:56:35Z] <sewn> uh [2023-11-10T15:56:44Z] <sewn> kiss community is on maintenance mode technically [2023-11-10T15:56:57Z] <sewn> all of it's maintainers are busy with life, now just updating kiss [2023-11-10T15:57:07Z] <asimovsh> yeah i know [2023-11-10T15:57:08Z] <sewn> theres many proposals open to finally make some changes in kiss [2023-11-10T15:57:13Z] <sewn> its a shame really [2023-11-10T15:57:29Z] <asimovsh> is that what i meant [2023-11-10T15:57:50Z] <asimovsh> we are just a few people and some of us just go away [2023-11-10T15:57:53Z] <sad_plan> asimovsh: theres no pr for rtorrent though. you can still make both prs though [2023-11-10T15:58:43Z] <sad_plan> sewn: yeah, theres aloot of packages that remain unused there aswell. the issue is how would one clean up those, when we have no clue wether people use said package [2023-11-10T15:58:52Z] <asimovsh> sad_plan: i make a pr one package at time, i remember someone just told me sometime to not make pr of 2 packages [2023-11-10T15:59:44Z] <sad_plan> thats true, but you can still make 2 prs. one for rtorrent, and the second which youve already created for libtorrent [2023-11-10T15:59:57Z] <sewn> sad_plan: kiss drops packages if they are unmaintained [2023-11-10T16:00:01Z] <sad_plan> my point was, you dont have to wait for libtorrent to get merged, before you create the one rtorrent [2023-11-10T16:00:26Z] <sad_plan> sewn: I know, but theres still aloot of packages that im hard pressed to belive is actually in use [2023-11-10T16:00:50Z] <asimovsh> sewn: people are busy and sometimes just go for a simple solution that is not kiss because it's hard to find some solutions for this system [2023-11-10T16:01:25Z] <sewn> life i guess [2023-11-10T16:01:31Z] <asimovsh> also is really sad to view that proposals for years and none be merged [2023-11-10T16:02:05Z] <sewn> i mean afaik the only good thing happening rn is the three major kiss implementations [2023-11-10T16:02:08Z] <sewn> kiss-rs, bliss, and kiss.el [2023-11-10T16:02:18Z] <sewn> otherwise not much is happening [2023-11-10T16:02:25Z] <asimovsh> kiss need dylan or someone that have more time to take care of kiss or it will die soon [2023-11-10T16:03:07Z] <sad_plan> I dont see how that has much affect on kiss though sewn [2023-11-10T16:03:26Z] <sewn> sad_plan: existing proposals regarding kiss the package manager will immediately get accepted [2023-11-10T16:03:29Z] <sad_plan> asimovsh: kiss will never die, because every user can simply maintain their own system [2023-11-10T16:03:31Z] <sewn> ^ [2023-11-10T16:03:36Z] <sewn> kiss was designed to be like that [2023-11-10T16:03:58Z] <sad_plan> which proposals are you refering to? or are you generally speaking? [2023-11-10T16:04:00Z] <sewn> although, im a bit tired of having to maintain my own packages, i wish kiss had some choices already implemented upstream [2023-11-10T16:04:07Z] <sewn> sad_plan: 'provides' system is one [2023-11-10T16:04:09Z] <asimovsh> sad_plan: i not meaning that way i meaning of a community way [2023-11-10T16:04:11Z] <sad_plan> libressl and netbsd, aswell as pax wasnt put through.. [2023-11-10T16:04:13Z] <sewn> thats big, for software alternatives [2023-11-10T16:04:33Z] <sewn> like you can make libressl in your own repo, but have it provide an 'openssl' package virtually, same for pax same for zlib etc... [2023-11-10T16:04:51Z] <sad_plan> asimovsh: we dont need community for kiss to live on. but sure, I get what you mean [2023-11-10T16:04:59Z] <sewn> i do wish kiss used zlib-ng, bc-gh, byacc, libressl, among other things as default [2023-11-10T16:05:02Z] <sewn> ugrep and zlib-ng are no brainers [2023-11-10T16:05:12Z] <sewn> ugrep is basically really important for kiss's shell implementation especially [2023-11-10T16:05:18Z] <asimovsh> and not every people have the time to maintain a system like that [2023-11-10T16:05:23Z] <sad_plan> I dont have openssl package. I just forked every package which lists openssl as dependency [2023-11-10T16:05:32Z] <sewn> sad_plan: thats what im talking about, i dont want to do that [2023-11-10T16:05:35Z] <sewn> thats painful [2023-11-10T16:05:47Z] <sad_plan> what would you rather do? [2023-11-10T16:06:23Z] <sewn> push it upstream! [2023-11-10T16:06:24Z] <sad_plan> why ugrep, as opposed to busybox's grep? too slow? [2023-11-10T16:06:37Z] <sewn> yes, busybox's grep is slow, and people suggest to use gnugrep [2023-11-10T16:06:48Z] <sad_plan> then make the prs for it, and make your case to why we should rather use i.e. byacc [2023-11-10T16:06:59Z] <sewn> i doubt it would even be accepted [2023-11-10T16:07:02Z] <sewn> another one is muon being merged [2023-11-10T16:07:02Z] <sad_plan> im all for byacc, as Im using it myself. as an example. same with libressl [2023-11-10T16:07:05Z] <sad_plan> probably not [2023-11-10T16:07:11Z] <sad_plan> yeah, I thought about that one the other day [2023-11-10T16:07:21Z] <sewn> my PR literally builds ALL packages in repo with muon [2023-11-10T16:07:30Z] <sewn> just was never merged, and now cant be due to conflicts [2023-11-10T16:07:44Z] <sewn> also, why are we forced to use dhcpcd? busybox provides udhcpc damn it [2023-11-10T16:08:28Z] <sad_plan> conflicts can be fixed, but yeah. someone is reluctant to merge. I recall illiti said he wanted to rebuild everything beforehand atleast, so its *properly* tested atleast [2023-11-10T16:08:46Z] <sad_plan> appearantly udhcpcd is buggy. atleast thats what I recall [2023-11-10T16:08:51Z] <sad_plan> it also needs a script to work. [2023-11-10T16:09:00Z] <sad_plan> you can find it in sabotage's repo though [2023-11-10T16:09:04Z] <sad_plan> if youd like to use it [2023-11-10T16:09:10Z] <sewn> alpine is using udhcpc [2023-11-10T16:09:17Z] <sad_plan> it does? [2023-11-10T16:09:27Z] <sad_plan> thought they just used dhcpcd [2023-11-10T16:09:41Z] <sewn> thats why i think its basically robust and ready to be used in kiss in general [2023-11-10T16:09:49Z] <sewn> just by the fact alpine uses it [2023-11-10T16:09:59Z] <sad_plan> I know sdhcp wasnt prefered due to lack of ipv6, iiif my memory serves me right. [2023-11-10T16:10:14Z] <sad_plan> make the pr for it then? so people can instead make the choice themselves [2023-11-10T16:10:46Z] <sad_plan> not sure if most people even know about it [2023-11-10T16:10:51Z] <sewn> honestly too much work, i need to rewrite the alpine udhcpc script to conform to 'kiss' standards [2023-11-10T16:11:12Z] <sewn> as for sdhcp, i submitted a pr for it to replace dhcpcd but it was rejected [2023-11-10T16:11:15Z] <sad_plan> check the sabotage one. maybe thats better [2023-11-10T16:11:33Z] <sad_plan> I assumed so. people want ipv6 [2023-11-10T16:12:04Z] <sewn> yea [2023-11-10T16:12:30Z] <sewn> dylan says udhpcd is installed on the linked issue regarding rejection, but it was removed not too long ago [2023-11-10T16:13:28Z] <sad_plan> I dont belive it ever were built due to the messy script it needed [2023-11-10T16:13:36Z] <sewn> yeah maybe [2023-11-10T16:14:37Z] <sad_plan> I think if someone makes the patch for sdhcp to support ipv6, I think theres a much higher chance of it ever replacing dhcpcd [2023-11-10T16:14:44Z] <sad_plan> but then again, thats work [2023-11-10T16:14:56Z] <asimovsh> any of you have access to repo? [2023-11-10T16:15:19Z] <sad_plan> no [2023-11-10T16:15:31Z] <sewn> no [2023-11-10T16:18:24Z] <asimovsh> so another weeks or month to solve wbg checksums [2023-11-10T16:18:56Z] <sewn> thats confusing [2023-11-10T16:19:02Z] <sewn> i wonder why the checksum changed... [2023-11-10T16:19:13Z] <sewn> codeberg is NEVER supposed to do that [2023-11-10T16:20:34Z] <sewn> sad_plan: do you use vis? [2023-11-10T16:22:42Z] <sad_plan> still use vis [2023-11-10T16:22:50Z] <sewn> do you share your configurations like dotfiles anywhere [2023-11-10T16:23:14Z] <sad_plan> I do [2023-11-10T16:23:46Z] <sewn> wher [2023-11-10T16:24:07Z] <sewn> https://github.com/hovercats/dotfiles [2023-11-10T16:24:07Z] <sad_plan> https://github.com/hovercats/dotfiles/blob/master/etc/vis/visrc.lua [2023-11-10T16:24:07Z] <sewn> nevermind [2023-11-10T16:24:10Z] <sad_plan> yeah [2023-11-10T16:24:24Z] <sad_plan> nothing special with it though. just couple usefull stuff [2023-11-10T16:24:29Z] <sewn> looks cool to me [2023-11-10T16:25:01Z] <sad_plan> yeah. Ive been looking into perhaps getting some modules, but ive yet to find something I find usefull [2023-11-10T16:25:21Z] <sad_plan> only thing I miss on vis is really the max textwidth which vim has [2023-11-10T16:26:25Z] <sewn> i think all i need is shellcheck and go LSP [2023-11-10T16:26:33Z] <sewn> but if i wanted that i'd just switch to kakoune :p [2023-11-10T16:27:57Z] <sad_plan> sure [2023-11-10T17:06:15Z] <sewn> TIL this channel is the 'Unnofficial' kiss linux community channel [2023-11-10T17:30:15Z] <sad_plan> ^ [2023-11-10T17:30:43Z] <sad_plan> I think alot of people come here with the assumption that this is the official channel. [2023-11-10T17:31:19Z] <sad_plan> although it was at a time, but it is no longer, as dylan eventually moved to email only iirc. which is a bit strange if you ask me.. [2023-11-10T17:38:42Z] <sewn> sad_plan: re-read it [2023-11-10T17:38:53Z] <sewn> with careful consideration [2023-11-10T18:05:37Z] <sad_plan> wym. it is the unofficial. not 'unofficial'. [2023-11-10T18:07:43Z] <sewn> no [2023-11-10T18:07:46Z] <sewn> re-read it [2023-11-10T18:08:03Z] <sewn> like with very very careful [2023-11-10T18:08:05Z] <sewn> each letter [2023-11-10T18:08:49Z] <sad_plan> yeah theres a typo there. unoffical. not unnoffical. but yes, community [2023-11-10T18:09:19Z] <sad_plan> I fucking hate dylans commit messages... the website wiki is filled with 'update' [2023-11-10T18:09:49Z] <sad_plan> s/website wiki/website github/ or w/e, you get the meaning [2023-11-10T18:09:53Z] <sewn> you sound very pissed [2023-11-10T18:10:25Z] <sad_plan> im not. I was going to find a commit, but you know, its like finding your way around a maze. except every corridor is the same [2023-11-10T18:28:35Z] <sewn> you oculd always use git blame [2023-11-10T18:28:36Z] <sewn> or git grep [2023-11-10T18:31:01Z] <sad_plan> ive actually never used either. ive actually used quite a small amount of gits included tool tbqh [2023-11-10T18:31:50Z] <sad_plan> its not important anyway. I was going to find the commit where he removed the irc channel from the website