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[2023-03-04T02:03:37Z] <midfavila> https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/871827
[2023-03-04T04:29:00Z] <testuser[m]123> Hi
[2023-03-04T04:51:47Z] <sewn> Hi
[2023-03-04T04:53:17Z] <sewn> <snood> "probably will start over.. don't..." <- why would you want to have usr home var on seperate partitions?
[2023-03-04T05:58:48Z] <niceguy5000[m]> wael: because it's for security and cooooooooooool!
[2023-03-04T06:02:18Z] <sewn> No
[2023-03-04T07:13:17Z] <Ellowee[m]> Security of what
[2023-03-04T07:14:20Z] <Ellowee[m]> I only do separate home, anything else would req a filesystem that can have 2+ partitions allocating same space
[2023-03-04T11:33:26Z] <midfavila> problem with separate /usr /home /var /etc /whatever is that you can't always accurately gauge how much space each will require
[2023-03-04T11:34:40Z] <sewn> Btrfs subvolumes
[2023-03-04T11:34:49Z] <illiliti> zfs
[2023-03-04T11:35:26Z] <sewn> LVM
[2023-03-04T11:35:41Z] <illiliti> it sucks
[2023-03-04T11:35:41Z] <midfavila> sane partitioning
[2023-03-04T11:36:01Z] <midfavila> also, xfs for performance, nilfs for reliability 
[2023-03-04T11:36:04Z] <midfavila> zfs can fuck off
[2023-03-04T11:36:13Z] <illiliti> zfs is very reliable
[2023-03-04T11:36:19Z] <illiliti> never had data corruption
[2023-03-04T11:36:26Z] <midfavila> zfs is also fuckhuge
[2023-03-04T11:36:33Z] <midfavila> and taints your kernel
[2023-03-04T11:36:55Z] <sewn> Jgskczksgktekfsigkwtktsksgkgdkgskgskvzkxvksgigei z
[2023-03-04T11:37:19Z] <illiliti> taints in what sense? i don't have this cryptic message in dmesg
[2023-03-04T11:37:32Z] <schillingklaus> i do not want any cow, be it btrfs or zfs or whatever
[2023-03-04T11:37:33Z] <illiliti> zfs is huge i agree
[2023-03-04T11:37:34Z] <midfavila> needs an out of tree module
[2023-03-04T11:37:41Z] <illiliti> nope
[2023-03-04T11:37:45Z] <illiliti> i have zfs builtin
[2023-03-04T11:37:53Z] <midfavila> does it not? i thought it was non-GPLv2 compatible
[2023-03-04T11:38:09Z] <illiliti> it builds fine as builtin module
[2023-03-04T11:38:13Z] <illiliti> i use it
[2023-03-04T11:38:17Z] <midfavila> also, fuck, i really hope i can get today off work. i have some sort of head cold
[2023-03-04T11:38:23Z] <midfavila> and it's not about whether you can build it into your kernel
[2023-03-04T11:38:35Z] <midfavila> it's about whether it's in upstream and it's gone through the usual process
[2023-03-04T11:38:43Z] <midfavila> and whether or not it's gplv2
[2023-03-04T11:39:04Z] <illiliti> that's unresolvable problem unfortunately
[2023-03-04T11:39:45Z] <testuser[m]123> illiliti: what advantages does zfs have over btrfs?
[2023-03-04T11:39:58Z] <illiliti> encryption
[2023-03-04T11:40:08Z] <illiliti> that is faster than luks/lvm
[2023-03-04T11:40:15Z] <midfavila> >muh encryption speed
[2023-03-04T11:40:24Z] <testuser[m]123> O
[2023-03-04T11:41:27Z] <midfavila> gfdi 
[2023-03-04T11:41:30Z] <midfavila> can't get work off
[2023-03-04T11:41:33Z] <midfavila> hate being a wagie
[2023-03-04T11:41:35Z] <midfavila> this is bullshit
[2023-03-04T11:41:56Z] <midfavila> "hey i'm sick"
[2023-03-04T11:41:56Z] <midfavila> "you need to come in anyways"
[2023-03-04T11:42:08Z] <testuser[m]123> What if you take an off anyways
[2023-03-04T11:42:13Z] <midfavila> then i get fired
[2023-03-04T11:42:49Z] <schillingklaus> what if you contaminate the boss?
[2023-03-04T11:42:56Z] * midfavila shrugs!
[2023-03-04T11:43:10Z] <midfavila> that's like, above my pay grade, maaaaaaaaaaaan
[2023-03-04T11:43:15Z] <midfavila> all i can do is mix drinks dude
[2023-03-04T11:43:39Z] <midfavila> anyway i doubt i'm contagious
[2023-03-04T11:43:43Z] <midfavila> i just feel like death
[2023-03-04T11:46:03Z] <sewn> 🐈
[2023-03-04T12:31:06Z] <midfavila> well, i'm off to "contribute" to "society"
[2023-03-04T12:38:13Z] <sewn> What a great man you are mid
[2023-03-04T12:38:39Z] <sewn> We at Society™ thank you for your revolutionary contributions
[2023-03-04T15:14:42Z] <Ellowee[m]> <midfavila> "well, i'm off to "contribute" to..." <- Spirits beats inane ideological discombobulation and ego death
[2023-03-04T15:17:18Z] <Ellowee[m]> Wait can lvm allocate same space for two partitions
[2023-03-04T18:17:53Z] <midfavila> Ellowee[m]: it's not even that kind
[2023-03-04T18:17:56Z] <midfavila> i just make smoothies
[2023-03-04T18:17:58Z] <midfavila> also i'm back
[2023-03-04T18:18:12Z] <sewn> fr?
[2023-03-04T18:18:27Z] <midfavila> frfr no cap
[2023-03-04T19:00:57Z] <Ellowee[m]> <midfavila> "i just make smoothies" <- Still
[2023-03-04T19:01:41Z] <midfavila> unironically bold of you to imply that wageslavery doesn't cause ideological discombobulation and ego death
[2023-03-04T19:02:19Z] <midfavila> honestly considering quitting 
[2023-03-04T19:02:49Z] <sewn> Can I have ur smoothies
[2023-03-04T19:03:03Z] <sewn> Do you maka banana milkshake?nmn?m!n?!!?mmm
[2023-03-04T19:03:12Z] <midfavila> if you don't make me say "have a boosterific day" like my manager does, sure
[2023-03-04T19:03:34Z] <sewn> have a mid day 
[2023-03-04T19:03:44Z] <midfavila> "have a day"
[2023-03-04T19:03:50Z] <sewn> have
[2023-03-04T19:03:54Z] <midfavila> hh
[2023-03-04T19:04:15Z] <midfavila> should try designing a machine to automatically blend smoothies 
[2023-03-04T19:04:53Z] <midfavila> like a classic vending machine or something
[2023-03-04T19:05:05Z] <midfavila> plenty of space in those things
[2023-03-04T19:05:07Z] <sewn> nooo I want my smoothies made by a person not some souless machine smh
[2023-03-04T19:05:21Z] <midfavila> i don't want to be made to *act* like a soulless machine 
[2023-03-04T19:06:15Z] <sewn> then make the actions soul(ful)
[2023-03-04T19:06:19Z] <sewn> like not some corporate shit
[2023-03-04T19:06:20Z] <sewn> ig
[2023-03-04T19:06:47Z] <midfavila> if only it was that easy
[2023-03-04T19:06:59Z] <sewn> I hate capitalism
[2023-03-04T19:07:51Z] <midfavila> it's not capitalism as a whole that's the problem here, specifically
[2023-03-04T19:08:02Z] <midfavila> at least under "traditional" capitalism the so-called proletariat had job security
[2023-03-04T19:08:18Z] <midfavila> under... whatever this is, you don't even have that, if you're a wageslave
[2023-03-04T19:08:38Z] <midfavila> there's even a term for the class of part-timers and gig workers now - "precariat", from "precarious" and "proletariat"
[2023-03-04T19:09:04Z] <midfavila> now you get to be degraded and treated like shit while cranking widgets, without even having the assurance that you'll at least be able to crank widgets again tomorrow
[2023-03-04T19:09:32Z] <sewn> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2023-03-04T19:09:55Z] <midfavila> it's okay wael, by the time you're of widget-cranking age the world will have been hit by a massive solar flare
[2023-03-04T19:10:01Z] <midfavila> that or the global economy will have collapsed
[2023-03-04T19:11:36Z] <midfavila> it's always hilarious when i meet "communists" who live in like, california or whatever
[2023-03-04T19:11:44Z] <midfavila> involved in the silicon valley style of economy 
[2023-03-04T19:11:47Z] <sewn> I want to stay young forever smh
[2023-03-04T19:12:00Z] <midfavila> and they like... almost exclusively get through their days by relying on wageslaves
[2023-03-04T19:12:03Z] <midfavila> and gig workers
[2023-03-04T19:12:31Z] <rohan> yo anyone here is a owner or have access to community repo?
[2023-03-04T19:12:37Z] <midfavila> and then they have the gall to say "yes comrade I support the Working Class:tm:", while thinking that they're part of the proletariat making 30k+ a year
[2023-03-04T19:12:58Z] <rohan> my package is 4 days in pull request and nothing be done
[2023-03-04T19:18:34Z] <sewn> bleh
[2023-03-04T19:18:45Z] <illiliti> merged sorry
[2023-03-04T20:09:50Z] * testuser[m]123 uploaded an image: (144KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/envs.net/6126e1646ea07baa0e1750544d2197f2794de48c/IMG_20230305_013738_452.jpg >
[2023-03-04T20:10:11Z] <sewn> Cat
[2023-03-04T20:25:48Z] <midfavila> guys i wanna apologize
[2023-03-04T20:25:53Z] <midfavila> i'm installing slackware
[2023-03-04T20:25:54Z] <midfavila> ;w;
[2023-03-04T20:28:03Z] <drez> what ._.
[2023-03-04T20:28:09Z] <drez> how???
[2023-03-04T20:28:17Z] <drez> on your main pc???
[2023-03-04T20:28:22Z] <midfavila> yes
[2023-03-04T20:28:23Z] <drez> are you leaving forevah D:???
[2023-03-04T20:28:27Z] <midfavila> no
[2023-03-04T20:28:34Z] <drez> wait but why?
[2023-03-04T20:28:54Z] <midfavila> i intend to still work on KISS and eventually return to it full time with a proper hard fork of my own, but right now I'm not well, mentally, and can't spare the energy
[2023-03-04T20:29:23Z] <midfavila> in short, I want an OS that works for me, not a me that works for my OS, at least right now
[2023-03-04T20:29:27Z] <drez> =(
[2023-03-04T20:29:46Z] <drez> oh man it is tough to deal with that argument becoming true
[2023-03-04T20:29:50Z] <drez> "I just want something that works"
[2023-03-04T20:30:00Z] <midfavila> it's not about "just wanting something that works"
[2023-03-04T20:30:05Z] <midfavila> i actually like fiddling around with stuff
[2023-03-04T20:30:11Z] <midfavila> my idea of a good time is like
[2023-03-04T20:30:20Z] <midfavila> benchmarking my system with different zlib implementations
[2023-03-04T20:30:21Z] <drez> but having to port/patch a lot of stuff is probably not good
[2023-03-04T20:30:26Z] <midfavila> it's not even that
[2023-03-04T20:30:32Z] <midfavila> i maintain my own soft fork of KISS
[2023-03-04T20:30:39Z] <midfavila> just keeping stuff up to date in the base system is a pain
[2023-03-04T20:31:04Z] <midfavila> and then add on top of that, say, coming home from work to watch a movie or play a game, only to be hit with a big segfault that i need to spend the afternoon debugging instead
[2023-03-04T20:31:10Z] <midfavila> and then having to experience that day in day out
[2023-03-04T20:31:12Z] <midfavila> and it's just
[2023-03-04T20:31:12Z] <drez> oh :(
[2023-03-04T20:31:15Z] <drez> what the heck dude
[2023-03-04T20:31:15Z] <midfavila> bleeeh
[2023-03-04T20:31:20Z] <drez> I didn't think it was that unstable
[2023-03-04T20:31:27Z] <drez> well, I understand now
[2023-03-04T20:31:31Z] <drez> I see slackware users on like kernel 2.6.x
[2023-03-04T20:31:37Z] <drez> this guy http://galeriawm.hol.es/
[2023-03-04T20:31:43Z] <midfavila> they're on 5.19 or something now
[2023-03-04T20:31:49Z] <midfavila> slackware i mean
[2023-03-04T20:31:56Z] <drez> he uses some 'vector linux'
[2023-03-04T20:31:58Z] <midfavila> but yeah slackware is my equivalent to most people's debian
[2023-03-04T20:32:06Z] <midfavila> It Just Werks:tm:
[2023-03-04T20:32:13Z] <drez> it doe sjust werk
[2023-03-04T20:32:16Z] <drez> i am using devuan right now
[2023-03-04T20:32:23Z] <drez> its not very good
[2023-03-04T20:32:27Z] <midfavila> slack is honestly the only distro that just works
[2023-03-04T20:32:31Z] <midfavila> this isn't even an opinion
[2023-03-04T20:32:32Z] <midfavila> this is fact
[2023-03-04T20:32:34Z] <drez> but I know if I try something else I am going to get punched in the balls
[2023-03-04T20:32:42Z] <midfavila> slackware just coomputes
[2023-03-04T20:32:58Z] <drez> maybe I should finally give slackware a try now
[2023-03-04T20:33:00Z] <drez> but it sucks now
[2023-03-04T20:33:07Z] <drez> they got rid of ck2
[2023-03-04T20:33:10Z] <drez> and etc etc
[2023-03-04T20:33:15Z] <midfavila> "ck2"? a dev?
[2023-03-04T20:33:26Z] <midfavila> oh, no, consolekit
[2023-03-04T20:33:26Z] <drez> consolekit2
[2023-03-04T20:33:34Z] <drez> now it has elogind
[2023-03-04T20:33:37Z] <drez> and like I think wayland too
[2023-03-04T20:33:39Z] <drez> I don't want that stuff
[2023-03-04T20:33:42Z] <midfavila> and rust too
[2023-03-04T20:33:43Z] <midfavila> le gasp
[2023-03-04T20:33:45Z] <drez> yeah
[2023-03-04T20:33:53Z] <illiliti> finally mid got a life
[2023-03-04T20:33:54Z] <drez> at least if you turn off auto-install-recommends in debian you can avoid a bunch of stuff
[2023-03-04T20:34:01Z] <midfavila> illiliti: bold statement
[2023-03-04T20:34:03Z] <midfavila> also not true
[2023-03-04T20:34:13Z] <midfavila> i'm still going to fiddle with KISS regularly in a chroot
[2023-03-04T20:34:24Z] <midfavila> and i do intend to return to it full time once my fork hits 1.0
[2023-03-04T20:34:39Z] <midfavila> i just want muh games and to be able to make VoIP calls with my friends
[2023-03-04T20:34:46Z] <drez> you cant do that on kiss?
[2023-03-04T20:34:56Z] <midfavila> not without pulseaudio 
[2023-03-04T20:34:59Z] <midfavila> or some janky setup
[2023-03-04T20:35:00Z] <drez> what???
[2023-03-04T20:35:04Z] <drez> i use jackaudio
[2023-03-04T20:35:04Z] <midfavila> plus firefox or a similar browser
[2023-03-04T20:35:06Z] <drez> and can play any game
[2023-03-04T20:35:16Z] <drez> well steam didn't work for  some reason
[2023-03-04T20:35:22Z] <midfavila> probably because kiss is based on musl 
[2023-03-04T20:35:26Z] <drez> oh right
[2023-03-04T20:35:28Z] <midfavila> and steam is distributed linked against glibc
[2023-03-04T20:35:34Z] <drez> if you want to play games do not use musl
[2023-03-04T20:35:44Z] <midfavila> most of the games i play are libre
[2023-03-04T20:35:50Z] <drez> still might have problems
[2023-03-04T20:35:57Z] <drez> and i do have wine installed
[2023-03-04T20:36:00Z] <drez> but i don't use it much
[2023-03-04T20:36:04Z] <midfavila> but sometimes i want to play X-COM or RimWorld
[2023-03-04T20:36:04Z] <midfavila> and no, not unless they're built on some retarded stack
[2023-03-04T20:36:17Z] <drez> haha cool
[2023-03-04T20:36:47Z] <midfavila> but yeah no once i have CS and C programming skills equivalent to my ability in shell and general computer use i won't be able to daily my fork
[2023-03-04T20:36:56Z] <midfavila> because i just don't have the software necessary for me to do what i need to do
[2023-03-04T20:37:02Z] <midfavila> and i'm too incompetent to write it myself
[2023-03-04T20:37:12Z] <midfavila> s/once/until/
[2023-03-04T20:37:13Z] <midfavila> fuck
[2023-03-04T20:37:16Z] <drez> that is screwed up
[2023-03-04T20:37:20Z] <drez> in a sad way
[2023-03-04T20:37:33Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2023-03-04T20:37:38Z] <drez> yeah it really sucks
[2023-03-04T20:37:42Z] <drez> that software sucks so much nowadays
[2023-03-04T20:37:50Z] <midfavila> MGR port for KISS soon
[2023-03-04T20:37:55Z] <drez> well just about anything sucks
[2023-03-04T20:37:57Z] <drez> oh yeah
[2023-03-04T20:38:05Z] <drez> looking forward to that
[2023-03-04T20:38:08Z] <midfavila> and by soon I mean like maybe five years :v
[2023-03-04T20:38:11Z] <drez> you did get super far with your kiss setup
[2023-03-04T20:38:23Z] <drez> love how you got xaw looking all pretty
[2023-03-04T20:38:27Z] <midfavila> well, see, with 0.3 my fork is capable of most basic tasks
[2023-03-04T20:38:43Z] <midfavila> it's just not fully self-hosting, and it lacks an HTTPS browser
[2023-03-04T20:38:52Z] <drez> oof
[2023-03-04T20:39:03Z] <drez> those two get sorted out and i would run it on a laptop
[2023-03-04T20:39:17Z] <midfavila> it's not self-hosting because it can't build the kernel (a given) nor its headers (a given), nor can it build everything that you might expect to find under base
[2023-03-04T20:39:25Z] <midfavila> that being a media player and an HTTPS browser
[2023-03-04T20:39:44Z] <drez> does ffmpeg not build either?
[2023-03-04T20:39:49Z] <midfavila> lmao not even close
[2023-03-04T20:39:53Z] <drez> mplayer?
[2023-03-04T20:40:00Z] <midfavila> it's hilarious that you think tcc can build any of that my dude
[2023-03-04T20:40:02Z] <drez> ocp?
[2023-03-04T20:40:03Z] <drez> idk
[2023-03-04T20:40:11Z] <drez> I thought tcc was ok
[2023-03-04T20:40:18Z] <drez> maybe it can build ocp
[2023-03-04T20:40:23Z] <drez> opencubicplayer
[2023-03-04T20:40:24Z] <midfavila> not to mention the lack of GNU tools requires massive patching to makefiles and such
[2023-03-04T20:40:29Z] <drez> oh yeah
[2023-03-04T20:40:34Z] <midfavila> it's been harder to replace GNU Make than GCC
[2023-03-04T20:40:35Z] <drez> oh dude weak
[2023-03-04T20:41:42Z] <midfavila> trying to learn Make, C, Bourne, m4, awk, POSIX, X11, mathematics, lex and yacc, and so on is just too much to juggle with other stuff right now
[2023-03-04T20:42:27Z] <drez> while also working <_<
[2023-03-04T20:42:49Z] <drez> you know what they say about working and studying simultaneously
[2023-03-04T20:42:58Z] <midfavila> no, i don't, actually
[2023-03-04T20:43:02Z] <drez> oh okay
[2023-03-04T20:43:06Z] <drez> I thought you finally had a job
[2023-03-04T20:43:12Z] <midfavila> i do
[2023-03-04T20:43:16Z] <midfavila> but i don't know what "they" say
[2023-03-04T20:43:20Z] <drez> ah okay
[2023-03-04T20:43:25Z] <drez> well people say it's pretty tough
[2023-03-04T20:43:31Z] <drez> but I think that's about the default for most of us here
[2023-03-04T20:43:37Z] <drez> not the toughness
[2023-03-04T20:43:38Z] <drez> but doing that
[2023-03-04T20:43:52Z] <midfavila> honestly if i wasn't dealing with a bunch of mental health issues it would be trivial
[2023-03-04T20:44:05Z] <midfavila> but as it stands i'm about two steps away from becoming the next terry davis
[2023-03-04T20:44:19Z] <drez> wait are you getting bullied by voices?
[2023-03-04T20:44:32Z] <midfavila> only my own :D
[2023-03-04T20:44:40Z] <drez> that is pretty close
[2023-03-04T20:45:00Z] <midfavila> i also have fuck-all in terms of energy or motivation right now
[2023-03-04T20:45:04Z] <drez> well, meds never held anyone together for too long
[2023-03-04T20:45:10Z] <drez> that is a fact of life
[2023-03-04T20:45:14Z] <drez> just in case
[2023-03-04T20:45:33Z] <drez> idk if you are taking meds
[2023-03-04T20:45:37Z] <midfavila> nah
[2023-03-04T20:45:44Z] <drez> well good
[2023-03-04T20:45:45Z] <drez> just in case
[2023-03-04T20:45:50Z] <drez> you know people are going to say take meds and such
[2023-03-04T20:45:56Z] <drez> that is a pretty harmful thing to say
[2023-03-04T20:46:08Z] <midfavila> i've only taken prescription medication once in my life and i wasn't a fan of it, but that was because it was issued for a maldiagnosis :v
[2023-03-04T20:46:14Z] <drez> oof
[2023-03-04T20:46:25Z] <drez> well most meds do not merit them being taken
[2023-03-04T20:46:32Z] <drez> they are just a copout
[2023-03-04T20:46:35Z] <midfavila> who could have guessed that issuing antipsyhotics to a depressed person was a bad idea
[2023-03-04T20:46:39Z] <midfavila> and i mean, that's not necessarily true
[2023-03-04T20:46:48Z] <midfavila> antipsychotics even christ
[2023-03-04T20:46:59Z] <drez> that is weak
[2023-03-04T20:47:09Z] <drez> i can't imagine being under the effects of one of those things
[2023-03-04T20:47:15Z] <midfavila> neither can i!
[2023-03-04T20:47:20Z] <midfavila> i literally can't remember that period of my life
[2023-03-04T20:47:23Z] <drez> O_O
[2023-03-04T20:48:00Z] <midfavila> it *also* kicked off a bunch of physical health issues as a result of the medication's side effects, which I'm *still* trying to get under control. and hey, look ma, no doctor 
[2023-03-04T20:48:13Z] <drez> nooo :(
[2023-03-04T20:48:29Z] <midfavila> should have added "trawling pubmed and scihub for relevant papers" to my list
[2023-03-04T20:49:01Z] <drez> im trying to get into reading health books 
[2023-03-04T20:49:13Z] <drez> and some stuff about well, not mental health necessarily
[2023-03-04T20:49:20Z] <drez> but maybe more fringe than that
[2023-03-04T20:49:36Z] <midfavila> i've been considering picking up a book on anatomy and learning more about first aid and basic medicine
[2023-03-04T20:50:01Z] <drez> i would definitely like to actually learn first aid
[2023-03-04T20:50:17Z] <drez> and try to get the hang of what they say in those survival infographics
[2023-03-04T20:50:26Z] <midfavila> >inb4 drez is studying the effects of 432hz on cancelling the damage to cells caused by 5G cell frequencies
[2023-03-04T20:50:32Z] <drez> no nothing like that
[2023-03-04T20:50:35Z] <midfavila> kek
[2023-03-04T20:50:39Z] <drez> idk anything about the 432hz stuff
[2023-03-04T20:50:56Z] <drez> but I mean I would like less EM exposure for sure
[2023-03-04T20:51:09Z] <drez> just cause its not normal
[2023-03-04T20:51:44Z] <midfavila> i think that "EM" is too broad, but specific things like artificial light and such definitely need to be more strictly controlled, for a variety of reasons
[2023-03-04T20:51:54Z] <drez> em is pretty broad true
[2023-03-04T20:52:01Z] <drez> it does involve visible light haha
[2023-03-04T20:52:06Z] <midfavila> you have to go like 10km outside of my city to even start seeing the stars for example
[2023-03-04T20:52:11Z] <drez> true
[2023-03-04T20:52:11Z] <midfavila> light pollution is a huge problem
[2023-03-04T20:52:14Z] <drez> that is very true
[2023-03-04T20:52:26Z] <drez> well the only real problem with light pollution AFAIK is astronomy is harder
[2023-03-04T20:52:38Z] <midfavila> no, there are a *huge* number of issues associated with it
[2023-03-04T20:52:54Z] <drez> tell me more
[2023-03-04T20:52:54Z] <midfavila> it disrupts the circadian rhythm of animals, including humans
[2023-03-04T20:53:01Z] <drez> oh of course
[2023-03-04T20:53:06Z] <drez> that is artificial light in general
[2023-03-04T20:53:18Z] <drez> darn you edison
[2023-03-04T20:53:34Z] <midfavila> and you *know* that the second stuff starts fucking with the ecosystem things are going to get bad. i'm not well-informed enough to provide any more information, but it's something i've been meaning to look into as well
[2023-03-04T20:53:47Z] <drez> yeah disbalance of nature and all
[2023-03-04T20:53:57Z] <midfavila> i used to be a half decent astronomer. decent enough to navigate without a compass at night at least
[2023-03-04T20:54:04Z] <midfavila> that was one of my "things" as a smol
[2023-03-04T20:54:13Z] <drez> awesome... I never had the chance to get into it
[2023-03-04T20:54:24Z] <drez> since I have rarely had the chance to see any stars really
[2023-03-04T20:54:53Z] <drez> you have to be completely away from other people at this point
[2023-03-04T20:55:13Z] <midfavila> might end up reaching that point depending on how the next few months go honestly
[2023-03-04T20:55:16Z] <drez> totally want to learn astronomy myself
[2023-03-04T20:55:24Z] <midfavila> need be i'll fucking *walk* to get the hell out of this place
[2023-03-04T20:55:26Z] <drez> that is something I might want to do as well
[2023-03-04T20:55:38Z] <midfavila> don't care if it's 1000km 
[2023-03-04T20:55:51Z] <drez> well people walk alright
[2023-03-04T20:56:01Z] <midfavila> i meant "walk across canada"
[2023-03-04T20:56:05Z] <midfavila> or at least to a province that isn't shit
[2023-03-04T20:56:29Z] <drez> how bad could it be?
[2023-03-04T20:56:30Z] <midfavila> oh huh go figure
[2023-03-04T20:56:43Z] <midfavila> it's ~1000km from my city to ottawa
[2023-03-04T20:57:39Z] <drez> hmmmm
[2023-03-04T20:57:48Z] <drez> i was thinking about what distro to use on a laptop
[2023-03-04T20:57:50Z] <midfavila> lmao what
[2023-03-04T20:57:53Z] <drez> i need it ready this week
[2023-03-04T20:57:59Z] <midfavila> google says it would only take 3 days by bike and 9 by foot
[2023-03-04T20:58:12Z] <drez> that might be true
[2023-03-04T20:58:19Z] <midfavila> no way. that *has* to include sections by vehicle
[2023-03-04T20:58:42Z] <drez> well if you were a mega athlete you could do this
[2023-03-04T20:58:43Z] <drez> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbLt4DmKXeM
[2023-03-04T20:58:54Z] <midfavila> i'm an out of shape nerd so
[2023-03-04T20:59:02Z] <midfavila> for all my boasting i'd probably get to the city's outer limits and then die
[2023-03-04T20:59:03Z] <drez> 153 miles in <2 days
[2023-03-04T20:59:04Z] <midfavila> :v
[2023-03-04T20:59:14Z] <midfavila> how many sane person units is that
[2023-03-04T20:59:14Z] <drez> so 1000 km
[2023-03-04T20:59:16Z] <midfavila> aah
[2023-03-04T20:59:19Z] <drez> oh like 10 people I guess
[2023-03-04T20:59:26Z] <drez> this guy is probably top 0.01%
[2023-03-04T20:59:29Z] <drez> 0.0001%
[2023-03-04T20:59:33Z] <midfavila> >turn right onto Abandoned Railroad
[2023-03-04T20:59:37Z] <midfavila> *I don't think I will Google*
[2023-03-04T20:59:39Z] <drez> LOL
[2023-03-04T20:59:53Z] <drez> maybe use a real route planner software if you really want to do this
[2023-03-04T21:00:13Z] <drez> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OpenStreetMap_offline
[2023-03-04T21:00:24Z] <midfavila> >not getting a map of canada and hand-resolving your path using A*, a pen, and paper
[2023-03-04T21:00:28Z] <midfavila> you disgust me
[2023-03-04T21:00:34Z] <drez> well I mean you could trace it manually
[2023-03-04T21:00:37Z] <drez> with a software
[2023-03-04T21:00:43Z] <drez> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_on_Paper
[2023-03-04T21:00:50Z] <midfavila> our ANCESTORS found their way by the STARS
[2023-03-04T21:00:51Z] <drez> but you do need that map
[2023-03-04T21:01:00Z] <drez> well you are not going to see anything as it is
[2023-03-04T21:01:05Z] <drez> they had the privilege
[2023-03-04T21:01:10Z] <midfavila> fuck you don't remind me ;w;
[2023-03-04T21:01:17Z] <drez> super badass and all but we don't get to do that :(
[2023-03-04T21:01:28Z] <midfavila> also man i don't know if i will install slackware
[2023-03-04T21:01:36Z] <drez> its a hard decision
[2023-03-04T21:01:37Z] <midfavila> i don't even think i have the energy to do that today christ
[2023-03-04T21:01:42Z] <drez> slackware is gnomed now
[2023-03-04T21:01:44Z] <midfavila> i just want to eat and go to bed
[2023-03-04T21:01:54Z] <midfavila> and maybe shitpost on IRC
[2023-03-04T21:02:00Z] <drez> just maybe
[2023-03-04T21:02:01Z] <midfavila> i keep experiencing microsleep at work
[2023-03-04T21:02:07Z] <midfavila> which is big concern
[2023-03-04T21:02:09Z] <drez> oh no
[2023-03-04T21:02:24Z] <midfavila> i'm just like sans 
[2023-03-04T21:02:45Z] <drez> like sans??
[2023-03-04T21:02:52Z] <midfavila> snas udnertale
[2023-03-04T21:02:59Z] <drez> ok right sans from undertale
[2023-03-04T21:03:11Z] <drez> but did sans from  undertale experience microsleep at any moment?
[2023-03-04T21:03:16Z] <midfavila> ye
[2023-03-04T21:03:20Z] <midfavila> you could argue
[2023-03-04T21:03:20Z] <drez> I see
[2023-03-04T21:03:21Z] <midfavila> :D
[2023-03-04T21:03:22Z] <drez> I don't remember that
[2023-03-04T21:03:34Z] <drez> I do remember papyrus getting pinkeye though
[2023-03-04T21:03:41Z] <midfavila> i don't think anything else could explain the whole "falling asleep mid-fight for your life" thing
[2023-03-04T21:03:54Z] <midfavila> other than microsleep as a result of chronic sleep deprivation :D
[2023-03-04T21:03:56Z] <drez> well it just must be very very boring
[2023-03-04T21:04:08Z] <drez> like it is an act of disrespect or something
[2023-03-04T21:04:12Z] <drez> maybe he is  just mocking you
[2023-03-04T21:05:16Z] <midfavila> anyway real talk i'll probably just take the bus lmao
[2023-03-04T21:09:53Z] <midfavila> https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=Ew8Jsgo5m5w&listen=1
[2023-03-04T21:09:53Z] <midfavila> also unrelated but the phoenix wright x professor layton crossover has an *incredible* OST
[2023-03-04T21:15:09Z] <drez> videogame osts :)
[2023-03-04T21:16:48Z] <midfavila> i only played part of the first one but i really like the ace attorney games
[2023-03-04T21:17:02Z] <midfavila> deduction games are <3
[2023-03-04T21:17:21Z] <niceguy5000[m]> midfavila: I heard you're leaving us. ;v;
[2023-03-04T21:17:54Z] <midfavila> when i was younger i used to play games of werewolf ~150 players wide pretty often
[2023-03-04T21:17:54Z] <midfavila> and i'll still be kicking around the IRC. but yeah either tonight or tomorrow i'll be backing up my boot disk and overwriting KISS with slackware
[2023-03-04T21:23:48Z] <midfavila> https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/778738
[2023-03-04T21:30:00Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2023-03-04T21:30:01Z] <midfavila> actually
[2023-03-04T21:30:03Z] <midfavila> wild idea
[2023-03-04T21:30:50Z] <midfavila> i've already decided that at least for my desktop i don't mind a *little* bloat if it means i can play muh gayms
[2023-03-04T21:30:55Z] <midfavila> so *maybe* flatpak could help here
[2023-03-04T21:36:12Z] <midfavila> that or i set up a gkiss chroot with just enough to run gayms
[2023-03-04T21:39:52Z] <midfavila> actually no because i run a 64-bit clean kernel
[2023-03-04T21:39:53Z] <midfavila> hrm
[2023-03-04T21:39:53Z] <midfavila> fuck
[2023-03-04T21:39:56Z] <midfavila> anyway brb