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[2023-02-27T00:04:25Z] <midfavila> i don't believe that there is
[2023-02-27T00:04:35Z] <midfavila> if you can find a bluetooth stack that doesn't require dbus let me know
[2023-02-27T00:04:40Z] <midfavila> would be legitimately interested
[2023-02-27T00:04:52Z] <midfavila> also I'm back from my frentime :D
[2023-02-27T00:27:16Z] <niceguy5000[m]> <rfaa> "hey, does anyone know if there's..." <- you can use a aux to bluetooth.
[2023-02-27T00:27:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> that way you don't have to deal with a bluetooth stack. 
[2023-02-27T00:55:16Z] <phinxy> like, a dongle?
[2023-02-27T01:31:56Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Bluetooth-Cancelling-Headphones-Hands-Free/dp/B08KY684PB/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=bluetooth+aux+adapter&qid=1677457645&sr=8-3
[2023-02-27T01:31:58Z] <niceguy5000[m]> YEAH LIKE THIS.
[2023-02-27T01:32:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> You don't need a bluetooth stack all you meed is a aux cord.
[2023-02-27T01:32:44Z] <niceguy5000[m]> if you don't have a aux cord you can use usb to aux cord. 
[2023-02-27T01:33:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> so usb to aux to bluetooth, than you can connect whatever bluetooth devices you want without blobs.
[2023-02-27T01:34:35Z] <niceguy5000[m]> oh you can go for usb sound card to bluetooth to bluetooth device.
[2023-02-27T01:36:32Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you can also make calls in a laptop and receive them 
[2023-02-27T01:37:38Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://www.amazon.com/EXVIST-Dongle-EG25-G-M2M-optimized-Module/dp/B096TQJR73?th=1
[2023-02-27T01:37:39Z] <niceguy5000[m]> with this device
[2023-02-27T01:37:59Z] <niceguy5000[m]> You don't really need a phone.
[2023-02-27T01:58:02Z] <illiliti> https://git.lysator.liu.se/kempe/blued
[2023-02-27T01:58:06Z] <illiliti> someone need to port this to linux
[2023-02-27T02:26:31Z] <niceguy5000[m]> A Bluetooth dongle is good enough 
[2023-02-27T02:56:16Z] <sewn> Hi
[2023-02-27T03:00:23Z] <davidgarland> o/
[2023-02-27T03:01:14Z] <davidgarland> brb
[2023-02-27T03:29:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> wael: HI!!!!!!!!!!
[2023-02-27T04:31:40Z] <testuser[m]123> Hi
[2023-02-27T04:41:01Z] <testuser[m]123> illiliti: probably easier to just re invent your own ipc in bluez and remove dbus
[2023-02-27T05:38:24Z] <midfavila> people just need to stop using bluetooth honestly
[2023-02-27T05:39:05Z] <davidgarland> are you against the idea of it or just bluetooth in specific
[2023-02-27T05:39:08Z] <midfavila> shit software implemented for shit reasons and only taken advantage of by shit hardware
[2023-02-27T05:39:18Z] <midfavila> davidgarland: the idea of it is vaguely fine
[2023-02-27T05:39:33Z] <midfavila> bluetooth in specific has been the source of endless problems both from a security and energy efficiency standpoint
[2023-02-27T05:39:36Z] <davidgarland> provided the batteries are replaceable (..which, to be fair, often isn't the case) I think wireless earbuds are nice
[2023-02-27T05:39:42Z] <midfavila> i don't
[2023-02-27T05:39:45Z] <midfavila> earbuds are ass
[2023-02-27T05:39:52Z] <midfavila> anyone who tells you otherwise is lying
[2023-02-27T05:40:07Z] <midfavila> they're strictly inferior to headphones in every way except portability
[2023-02-27T05:40:17Z] <davidgarland> I think like a few years ago I would agree
[2023-02-27T05:40:21Z] <davidgarland> modern IEMs sound really good
[2023-02-27T05:40:29Z] <davidgarland> I got some moondrop blessing 2 dusks
[2023-02-27T05:40:35Z] <davidgarland> no longer use headphones at my PC
[2023-02-27T05:40:37Z] <midfavila> i'll stick to my studio monitors
[2023-02-27T05:40:55Z] <midfavila> and a good old 1/8"/1/4" jack
[2023-02-27T05:41:10Z] <davidgarland> the ones im talking about are analog as well no worries xd
[2023-02-27T05:41:30Z] <midfavila> i can't imagine IEMs have decent bass in any way
[2023-02-27T05:41:30Z] <davidgarland> I'd only use bluetooth for playing music on my phone, the audio latency isn't excuasble for playing games and such
[2023-02-27T05:41:45Z] <midfavila> nor can i imagine their treble is any good
[2023-02-27T05:41:53Z] <midfavila> like maybe there was a revolution or something
[2023-02-27T05:41:55Z] <davidgarland> you'd be surprised I think
[2023-02-27T05:42:08Z] <midfavila> but in my albeit limited experience smaller == tinnier when it comes to audio devices
[2023-02-27T05:42:32Z] <midfavila> and anyway even if they didn't sound awful i'd still hate them because they're uncomfortable and constantly fall out of my ears no matter what i do
[2023-02-27T05:42:40Z] <midfavila> i need to get those weird sport models that hook around your ear
[2023-02-27T05:42:49Z] <davidgarland> that's what mine are like sort of
[2023-02-27T05:42:54Z] <davidgarland> at least, the cable goes back round the ears
[2023-02-27T05:43:09Z] <midfavila> years and years ago i had these earbuds my father gave me
[2023-02-27T05:43:39Z] <midfavila> the actual earbud itself had a wire that extended from the bottom of the chassis around to the top in a vaguely ear-like shape, and it was covered in rubber for comfort
[2023-02-27T05:43:48Z] <midfavila> so it was basically an on-ear earbud
[2023-02-27T05:43:58Z] <midfavila> it didn't actually get like, shoved into your ear canal 
[2023-02-27T05:44:06Z] <davidgarland> interesting
[2023-02-27T05:44:20Z] <midfavila> only pair of buds i've ever had that have a) been comfy, b) not fallen out every few seconds, and c) have been reasonably sturdy
[2023-02-27T05:46:56Z] <midfavila> eating a slice of pizza from earlier today, bit down on it and my jaw just cracked
[2023-02-27T05:47:01Z] <midfavila> what a weird sensation
[2023-02-27T05:47:02Z] * midfavila shudders
[2023-02-27T05:47:06Z] <davidgarland> o.O
[2023-02-27T05:47:14Z] <davidgarland> trying to imagine like the feeling of popping my fingers but transferred to my jaw
[2023-02-27T05:47:17Z] <midfavila> you know, kind of like how your finger joints crack- yeah
[2023-02-27T05:47:19Z] <sewn> I lobe iems
[2023-02-27T05:47:25Z] <midfavila> i lobe spellcheckers
[2023-02-27T05:47:26Z] <davidgarland> based sewn
[2023-02-27T05:47:40Z] <midfavila> don't encourage him
[2023-02-27T05:47:44Z] <midfavila> he's too young to understand his hubris
[2023-02-27T05:47:51Z] <davidgarland> me or him
[2023-02-27T05:47:53Z] <midfavila> you will lead him astray
[2023-02-27T05:47:54Z] <midfavila> yes
[2023-02-27T05:47:59Z] <davidgarland> "yes" lmao
[2023-02-27T05:48:16Z] <midfavila> you're both literal children compared to one such as i
[2023-02-27T05:48:29Z] <midfavila> with my immense wisdom
[2023-02-27T05:48:30Z] <sewn> did you just assume my gender
[2023-02-27T05:48:31Z] <davidgarland> orz
[2023-02-27T05:48:34Z] <midfavila> yes
[2023-02-27T05:48:35Z] <davidgarland> yes I did
[2023-02-27T05:48:42Z] <davidgarland> was I wrong
[2023-02-27T05:48:55Z] <midfavila> people here have debated my gender for like two years on and off, it's your turn now wael
[2023-02-27T05:51:10Z] <sewn> wat
[2023-02-27T05:51:23Z] <midfavila> yeah you've never seen that in the logs?
[2023-02-27T05:51:44Z] <midfavila> it was a thing here for a while, and is in a number of channels across a few servers i'm in
[2023-02-27T05:51:54Z] <midfavila> apparently i'm just that mysterious.
[2023-02-27T05:51:59Z] <sewn> no ur just silly
[2023-02-27T05:52:05Z] <midfavila> :thinking:
[2023-02-27T05:52:07Z] <davidgarland> lol
[2023-02-27T05:52:11Z] <midfavila> what did he mean by this
[2023-02-27T05:52:20Z] <sewn> very very silly 
[2023-02-27T05:52:32Z] <midfavila> very very tired more like
[2023-02-27T05:52:59Z] <sewn> no
[2023-02-27T05:53:01Z] <sewn> silly
[2023-02-27T05:53:56Z] <midfavila> :thinking:
[2023-02-27T05:55:39Z] <midfavila> anyway
[2023-02-27T05:55:42Z] <midfavila> i'm gonna go
[2023-02-27T05:55:44Z] <midfavila> like
[2023-02-27T05:55:46Z] <midfavila> drug myself
[2023-02-27T05:55:47Z] <midfavila> and then die
[2023-02-27T05:56:12Z] <midfavila> i have a text editor to write tomorrow
[2023-02-27T05:56:27Z] <sewn> What drugs
[2023-02-27T06:30:55Z] <davidgarland> I was about to break down and ask you why my steam wouldn't work but apparently /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt has to be done by me, it isn't just something openssl does
[2023-02-27T06:31:09Z] <davidgarland> I got the flatpak way running first and it ran perfectly, it's just that the protontricks tool for it is jank
[2023-02-27T06:39:49Z] <davidgarland> it works :DDD
[2023-02-27T06:51:34Z] <sewn> flatpak is designed to just work
[2023-02-27T06:51:42Z] <sewn> ur either a flatpak user or you package everything yourself when it comes to kiss
[2023-02-27T07:04:25Z] <davidgarland> well, proton doesn't "just work" for some games xp
[2023-02-27T07:04:31Z] <davidgarland> assetto corsa is real finnicky to get working
[2023-02-27T07:05:20Z] <davidgarland> you have to run it on 5.0-10, run it and let it crash so it puts some files in place, then do some protontricks stuff, then optionally change to a newer version and launch it on that (but most don't work)
[2023-02-27T07:05:42Z] <davidgarland> the "do some protontricks stuff" wasn't working how I expected it to with the flatpak protontricks
[2023-02-27T07:12:01Z] <davidgarland> that being said other games really do "just work"
[2023-02-27T07:12:04Z] <davidgarland> yakuza runs great
[2023-02-27T07:12:16Z] <davidgarland> same with risk of rain 2
[2023-02-27T07:18:50Z] <testuser[m]123> davidgarland: that ssl shit took me hrs to figure out some years back
[2023-02-27T07:19:16Z] <testuser[m]123> found a reference it to it on some CRUX linux issue
[2023-02-27T07:19:16Z] <testuser[m]123> and made a symlink
[2023-02-27T07:19:50Z] <davidgarland> lol
[2023-02-27T07:20:09Z] <davidgarland> yeah I'm lucky I found someone mention that offhand online and tried it
[2023-02-27T07:20:56Z] <testuser[m]123> faced the same crap with flutter, it tried to look for certs in some other format in /etc/ssl/certs just because that empty directory existed, if it didn't exist it'd just fallback to builtin certs and work fine
[2023-02-27T07:20:56Z] <testuser[m]123> but that trash didnt even print a warning message
[2023-02-27T07:21:00Z] <testuser[m]123> so bad
[2023-02-27T07:22:46Z] <davidgarland> oof
[2023-02-27T07:58:06Z] <davidgarland> goodnight o/
[2023-02-27T10:06:15Z] <aelspire> Hi
[2023-02-27T10:30:32Z] <aelspire> I've managed to package gtk4 and .*mm libs for new version of transmission-gtk
[2023-02-27T10:30:41Z] <aelspire> weird stuff
[2023-02-27T10:31:14Z] <aelspire> by default gtk4 tries to load libGl.so or libOpenGl.so and quits with SIGABORT
[2023-02-27T10:31:52Z] <aelspire> gtk4 is big and tries to by smart as hell but is not checking if OpenGL is available? weird stuff
[2023-02-27T10:32:14Z] <aelspire> but patched it to use OpenGl ES and now somehow it works
[2023-02-27T10:32:46Z] <aelspire> https://git.aelspire.info/kiss-repositories.git/tree/extra/gtk4/patches/0002-allow-only-GLES-API.patch
[2023-02-27T10:33:01Z] <aelspire> am I doing it wrong?
[2023-02-27T11:48:56Z] <dotkwa[m]> good luck on your text editor, mid, lol
[2023-02-27T11:48:56Z] <dotkwa[m]> it sounds pretty interesting, along with the other things you're planning
[2023-02-27T11:50:48Z] <midfavila> aa thank you ;w;
[2023-02-27T11:50:59Z] <midfavila> usually people just call me a sperg and say that i need to touch grass
[2023-02-27T11:51:30Z] <aelspire> mid: any special plans for it?
[2023-02-27T11:52:30Z] <aelspire> I usually like acme/kakoune way of doing things so you can use your OS shell on selected text to transform it
[2023-02-27T11:52:59Z] <midfavila> for the filesystem-based ed-like editor? not really beyond what i described
[2023-02-27T11:53:12Z] <midfavila> i think that it's a flexible enough system 
[2023-02-27T11:53:38Z] <midfavila> could very easily implement that feature simply by exposing the buffer's current selection and some data about it via another fifo
[2023-02-27T11:53:42Z] <aelspire>  I need to check logs
[2023-02-27T11:54:00Z] <midfavila> run a command on the fifo, dump the results back into it, text editor replaces the selection with the new text
[2023-02-27T11:54:04Z] <midfavila> ezpz
[2023-02-27T11:54:44Z] <aelspire> that's what  acme (newer used so it's second hand info) and kakoune is doing
[2023-02-27T11:54:55Z] <midfavila> i've never used either :D
[2023-02-27T11:55:29Z] <aelspire> almost that, I'm not sure about fifo
[2023-02-27T11:55:58Z] <midfavila> i don't think that many projects are using fifos in the way i've described
[2023-02-27T11:57:29Z] <aelspire> After dumping vscode I've used neovim for a while but was under impression that it tries do to too much things
[2023-02-27T11:57:55Z] <midfavila> yeah it's almost like vi editors are kind of garbage :D
[2023-02-27T11:58:10Z] <midfavila> i keep telling people this and they keep telling me that i don't know what i'm talking about
[2023-02-27T11:58:22Z] <sad_plan> vi and neovim are not even comparable anymore
[2023-02-27T11:58:55Z] <sad_plan> whats your thought on vis midfavila ? still trash aswell?
[2023-02-27T11:59:35Z] <midfavila> i mean, broad strokes, if it's vi it's shit
[2023-02-27T11:59:46Z] <midfavila> the UI paradigm for vi is just fundamentally bad 
[2023-02-27T11:59:48Z] <sad_plan> but vis is also sam. is sam trash too?
[2023-02-27T11:59:57Z] <sad_plan> how come?
[2023-02-27T12:00:07Z] <midfavila> you can taint a good thing by mixing it with something awful
[2023-02-27T12:00:21Z] <aelspire> I've checked emacs but don't like it
[2023-02-27T12:00:24Z] <midfavila> dumping shit on top of a cake doesn't make the cake shit, it just means the whole thing becomes repulsive
[2023-02-27T12:00:29Z] <sad_plan> sure, I can agree to that. if you polish a turd, its still a turd
[2023-02-27T12:00:36Z] <midfavila> and vi is that turd
[2023-02-27T12:00:53Z] <midfavila> i'm sure there's a special place in the afterlife for bill joy
[2023-02-27T12:00:57Z] <aelspire> kakoune is much better
[2023-02-27T12:01:03Z] <midfavila> aelspire: emacs is shit too but for different reasons
[2023-02-27T12:01:11Z] <aelspire> when I'm on vi I usually have problems
[2023-02-27T12:01:29Z] <aelspire> on kakoune you select text first and than run command on it
[2023-02-27T12:01:30Z] <midfavila> the final frontier of editing is unironically ed with a gui
[2023-02-27T12:01:42Z] <illiliti> https://joe-editor.sourceforge.io/
[2023-02-27T12:08:02Z] <aelspire> ok, few questions: how do you guys generate diffs (multiple patches) on downloaded sources?
[2023-02-27T12:08:33Z] <aelspire> I'm doing git init + add everything and next changing what need to be changed
[2023-02-27T12:08:49Z] <aelspire> but patches from format-patch looks different than what is in repo
[2023-02-27T12:52:06Z] <illiliti> git init, make changes, git diff
[2023-02-27T13:14:41Z] <aelspire> illiliti: git diff for multiple patches?
[2023-02-27T13:16:42Z] <illiliti> yes
[2023-02-27T13:16:45Z] <illiliti> ..., git diff, commit, make changes, git diff
[2023-02-27T13:16:57Z] <illiliti> but i would rather use format-patch
[2023-02-27T13:18:35Z] <aelspire> ok, so I'll need to find some way to do it, manually editing format-patch output or step-by-step diff is on the table
[2023-02-27T13:18:51Z] <aelspire> illiliti: thanks for help
[2023-02-27T15:31:23Z] <midfavila> aa guys i found a job that can actually pay for rent *and* food *and* other stuff ;w;
[2023-02-27T15:33:25Z] <omanom> wow, good news!  now finish that damn editor!
[2023-02-27T15:33:58Z] <midfavila> shhhhhhhhhh sweaty
[2023-02-27T15:34:03Z] <midfavila> good things come to those who wait
[2023-02-27T15:45:45Z] <midfavila> >need to complete stupid online assessment before I get a job offer
[2023-02-27T15:45:45Z] <midfavila> >whatever, start
[2023-02-27T15:45:45Z] <midfavila> >it doesn't support my browser
[2023-02-27T15:45:56Z] <midfavila> botnet literally wants me unemployed and homeless
[2023-02-27T15:45:58Z] <midfavila> this is fucking gay
[2023-02-27T17:10:35Z] <testuser[m]123> omanom: how long have u been lurking for lol
[2023-02-27T17:52:45Z] <omanom> i have a bouncer set up and just kind of petered off checking it, i had to switch my laptops back to Windows for work and just haven't had the time or motivation to set a new one up with KISS Linux
[2023-02-27T17:53:57Z] <omanom> it said 5000+ new messages and that's not counting any which may have come in while my bouncer was down/dc'ed so... quite a while now
[2023-02-27T17:58:52Z] <omanom> some coworkers are heavy into Nix so I was considering looking into that and seeing if i preferred it to KISS's package management
[2023-02-27T18:26:26Z] <phoebos> syspatch moment
[2023-02-27T18:38:31Z] <phoebos> testuser[m]123: re your orphans issue, i'm assuming you mean orphans as in unmaintained
[2023-02-27T18:38:39Z] <phoebos> we use "orphans" too much
[2023-02-27T18:39:42Z] <phoebos> but not having a version on repology is irrelevant
[2023-02-27T18:54:33Z] <dotkwa[m]> tfw I'm in here yet I haven't even tried kiss yet
[2023-02-27T19:48:16Z] <testuser[m]123> phoebos: i just pasted unfiltered output
[2023-02-27T22:04:13Z] <midfavila> https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=Y7StjYhXvpE&listen=false
[2023-02-27T22:04:20Z] <midfavila> phoebos i think you would find this talk really interesting
[2023-02-27T22:04:56Z] <midfavila> talks about the difference between church's conception of lambdas, how they're implemented in scheme and smalltalk versus other languages, and the relationship between object orientation and etc and lambdas, among other things
[2023-02-27T22:09:19Z] <midfavila> "Look, don't worry about it - the optimizer will take care of it. I am not gonna use these mere mortal numbers and integers that- that you been talking about, using ah- that domain-driven design thing of yours. We are gonna build things from the purest of the pure. Y'know... 'Oh, you mean you gonna use zeroes and ones?' *scoff* Zeroes and ones? Dude, we're gonna use lambdas! We're gonna make our own zeroes and ones. This is the crafts
[2023-02-27T22:09:20Z] <midfavila> manship movement - we make our own zeroes and ones, finely crafted."
[2023-02-27T22:09:24Z] <midfavila> amazing talk
[2023-02-27T22:15:43Z] <midfavila> aa i wish i could have taken a university computer science course ;w;
[2023-02-27T23:02:20Z] <phoebos> thanks, i'll watch it
[2023-02-27T23:02:29Z] <phoebos> > physicists don't use namespaces
[2023-02-27T23:02:30Z] <phoebos> lmao
[2023-02-27T23:02:51Z] <phoebos> notation is hard