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2021-05-03T00:01:16 #kisslinux <Meibion> Hi rieto
2021-05-03T00:01:19 #kisslinux <Meibion> How're you
2021-05-03T00:01:30 #kisslinux <Meibion> *riteo sorry
2021-05-03T00:08:28 #kisslinux <m3g> hello
2021-05-03T00:12:12 #kisslinux <riteo> Meibion: actually quite fine, thanks! The day hasn't been so great but it's getting better by the end of it!
2021-05-03T00:14:20 #kisslinux <riteo> don't worry about the mispelling! There's also a sed command for this server bot!
2021-05-03T00:14:42 #kisslinux <riteo> s/server/channel/g
2021-05-03T00:14:43 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> don't worry about the mispelling! There's also a sed command for this channel bot!
2021-05-03T03:10:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> gj acheam
2021-05-03T03:10:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just broke my headphones accidentally.
2021-05-03T03:21:35 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: still pretty far from using it effectively though!
2021-05-03T03:22:06 #kisslinux <acheam> I chose it because it seems to be the most usable of the WMs in obsd
2021-05-03T03:22:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, I suggest you use fvwm 2.6.9 at first
2021-05-03T03:22:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> as opposed to 3
2021-05-03T03:22:20 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm using 2.6.9
2021-05-03T03:22:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> good
2021-05-03T03:22:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> 3 is still a little wonky
2021-05-03T03:22:42 #kisslinux <acheam> 2.6.9 seems to be the default in most repos
2021-05-03T03:22:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> wouldn't surprise me.
2021-05-03T03:23:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/intro.html
2021-05-03T03:23:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> read this
2021-05-03T03:23:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a much better intro than the manual could ever be
2021-05-03T03:23:50 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks
2021-05-03T03:37:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> headphone assembly appears to be in working condition once again
2021-05-03T03:37:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> the power of superglue
2021-05-03T03:39:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-05-03T03:40:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ih
2021-05-03T03:43:36 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-05-03T03:43:40 #kisslinux <acheam> how goes it?
2021-05-03T03:46:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Class
2021-05-03T04:04:59 #kisslinux <E5ten> aarng: lol nice, I just finished school so I'll give it a shot too soon
2021-05-03T04:05:31 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: relatable
2021-05-03T05:07:53 #kisslinux <riteo> well, gotta go for now, cya!
2021-05-03T08:00:54 #kisslinux <kubast2> Hey what's the name of the package containning the full diff utility?
2021-05-03T08:01:00 #kisslinux <kubast2> it is required to compile the linux kernel
2021-05-03T08:01:19 #kisslinux <kubast2> the one provided by busybox isn't going to cut it
2021-05-03T08:01:36 #kisslinux <kubast2> because linux kernel make script uses flags not available on busybox diff
2021-05-03T08:03:31 #kisslinux <kubast2> diffutils and patch okay
2021-05-03T08:17:07 #kisslinux <kubast2> "The __always_inline macro showed up in 2.6.16." huh
2021-05-03T08:18:54 #kisslinux <kubast2> kernel compilation fails at the very beginning doesn't detect __always_inline as a macro, detects it as a type instead
2021-05-03T08:23:13 #kisslinux <kubast2> ekh I can always use arch linux packages for kernel until I figure that out
2021-05-03T08:23:38 #kisslinux <kubast2> or later use alpine linux chroot for that
2021-05-03T08:27:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> re kernel issues
2021-05-03T08:27:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just add "#include " to tools/objtool/arch/x86/decode.c
2021-05-03T08:27:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> linux/stddef.h
2021-05-03T09:02:27 #kisslinux <kubast2> I will use the whole kiss filesystem as an initramfs in a sec
2021-05-03T09:02:40 #kisslinux <kubast2> I need to see why it doesn't detect the rootfs/UUID
2021-05-03T09:02:56 #kisslinux <kubast2> and exclude the modules folder
2021-05-03T09:20:15 #kisslinux <kubast2> arch linux kernel builds ext4 as a module, thought they use x86_64-defconfig
2021-05-03T10:17:52 #kisslinux <kubast2> okay
2021-05-03T10:17:56 #kisslinux <kubast2> I have kiss now
2021-05-03T10:24:02 #kisslinux <kubast2> I have an issue
2021-05-03T10:24:28 #kisslinux <kubast2> okay I see now why
2021-05-03T10:24:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What is it
2021-05-03T10:25:10 #kisslinux <kubast2> I put ~/.profile according to the kiss install wiki in /root/.profile the KISS_PATH export, I just sourced the file for now
2021-05-03T10:25:20 #kisslinux <kubast2> or I will put it in /etc/profile.d or something a like
2021-05-03T10:25:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> move it to /etc yeah
2021-05-03T10:26:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> i've got a user specific one for my kiss repo path
2021-05-03T10:26:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> but it could easily be moved to /etc
2021-05-03T11:05:01 #kisslinux <kubast2> FYI, htop has been removed from bintray
2021-05-03T12:49:22 #kisslinux <kubast2> I had guests over; I thought I need to change the tarball name and extract it manually after chainging the sources, but it seems what really was the case is that configure needs to be generate with autoconf first
2021-05-03T13:19:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Rio6 for ARM check jedavies's repos: https://github.com/jedavies-dev
2021-05-03T13:20:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> He has a repo for both armv7 as well as aarch64. i tried to do it myself for aarch64 but i'm too smooth-brained to get it done it would appear
2021-05-03T13:31:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila python isn't as bad as people make it out to be. if you use it as a daemon you don't run into the high interpreter startup costs, and a large amount of that slowness at startup is due to poor module import performance
2021-05-03T13:32:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> another part of it is people don't design things appropriately for the language they're using, and then instead of critically analyzing their own code they resort to shitting on Python -- "a bad workman blames their tools"
2021-05-03T13:36:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> when a program that does nothing but draw a Tk button and invokes a shell command when said button is pressed uses 20mb of memory, I dunno, man
2021-05-03T13:36:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't seem fantastic to me
2021-05-03T13:38:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well, i would probably ask why Python was chosen for that rather than generically blame Python for that single use case
2021-05-03T13:38:43 #kisslinux <acheam> because you can do that in 10 lines in python
2021-05-03T13:38:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's plenty of other stuff that can be pointed at to indicate why python is a mess for applications programming
2021-05-03T13:39:00 #kisslinux <acheam> people are lazy (myself included)
2021-05-03T13:39:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> see the recurring convo about youtube-dl for example
2021-05-03T13:39:56 #kisslinux <acheam> lol you really want to rewrite youtube-dl in C?
2021-05-03T13:39:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok, so people are criticizing someone's choice of python for youtube-dl... why hasn't anyone created an alternative in a different language then?
2021-05-03T13:40:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-05-03T13:40:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally? no, not really. overall? if someone could that would be nifty. but like
2021-05-03T13:41:02 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-03T13:41:26 #kisslinux <acheam> part of what makes youtube-dl great is how many sites that it works on because its easy to extend and easy to contribute too
2021-05-03T13:41:31 #kisslinux <acheam> python enables that
2021-05-03T13:43:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure. doesn't change that it's slow as shit
2021-05-03T13:43:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Rewrite it in rust
2021-05-03T13:47:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> slow compared to what, though, like what alternatives are you considering
2021-05-03T13:47:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> A lot of it's "speed" depends on internet speed
2021-05-03T13:48:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The only noticeable place where I've actually seen python be slow is the time the interpreter takes to start
2021-05-03T13:54:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well its definitely inherently slower than most languages but i think the important thing in "the real world" is whether that slowness is perceptible to the end user. youtube-dl i would say probably /is/ perceptible, but without having an equivalent alternative to try its hard to say for sure
2021-05-03T13:55:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm not shitting on anyone looking to minimize size and maximize speed of their software, which is probably a significant portion of the people in here for example
2021-05-03T14:22:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2021-April/041815.html
2021-05-03T15:00:43 #kisslinux <acheam> "This release introduces support for installing using meson instead of autotools. The aim is to in a later release remove support for installing using autotools"
2021-05-03T15:00:58 #kisslinux <acheam> but why
2021-05-03T15:13:16 #kisslinux <acheam> hey dilyn
2021-05-03T15:13:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-05-03T15:13:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-05-03T15:14:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> wayland-protocols requiring meson is perhaps a little strange, if only because it's just a collection of files and nothing is actually ~run~...
2021-05-03T15:14:58 #kisslinux <acheam> not to be the cause of your ever growing todo list, but I once again would like to remind you about a) adding more people to the domain and maybe the vps, and 2) creating a simple plan for when you dissapear
2021-05-03T15:15:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> *poof*
2021-05-03T15:16:40 #kisslinux <acheam> uh oh
2021-05-03T15:16:42 #kisslinux <acheam> he didn't leave a plan
2021-05-03T15:16:44 #kisslinux <acheam> what to do
2021-05-03T15:18:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> poll
2021-05-03T15:18:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I can come up with something tonight while I put off these job apps
2021-05-03T15:20:13 #kisslinux <acheam> looking for a new job?
2021-05-03T15:20:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> my honey-do list has actually shrunk! I think I've tackled most of the things I've needed to do
2021-05-03T15:20:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> yessir
2021-05-03T15:20:48 #kisslinux <acheam> why?
2021-05-03T15:20:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> If my current employer is reading these, I am in no way pursuing other employment opportunities
2021-05-03T15:20:54 #kisslinux <acheam> ofc ofc
2021-05-03T15:21:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> This is all hypothetical. 100%
2021-05-03T15:21:06 #kisslinux <acheam> for legal reasons, it was a joke
2021-05-03T15:21:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> but if I WERE...
2021-05-03T15:21:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would be because the next 'phase' of my life requires $$ instead of $, and also I would like to not just be a monkey at a keyboard
2021-05-03T15:21:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I bombed my credit for these two degrees, I would like to use them.
2021-05-03T15:27:32 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-05-03T15:28:09 #kisslinux <acheam> so you're looking for something philosophy ish?
2021-05-03T15:29:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if your current employer was reading this, i hazard a guess you might have more interest in staying XD
2021-05-03T15:29:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> something philosophyish would be pretty tight, but the role I would look for doesn't exist anymore :(
2021-05-03T15:30:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao I might
2021-05-03T15:30:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> they should give me a job in tech instead of the spot i'm in!
2021-05-03T15:30:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm looking for jobs related to hardware, potentially tangentially related to the hobbies I've picked up over the last two years
2021-05-03T15:31:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> most mostly hardware, with a heavy math-bent
2021-05-03T15:31:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> hard to find when you're not an engineer-proper, so I'm trying to get in-the-door
2021-05-03T15:35:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> pretty good location for you at least, the tech sector is really strong there
2021-05-03T15:36:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah. I think i'm basically gonna be forced to write cover letters for every position I apply for :X
2021-05-03T15:36:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> I only get interviews when i write them. I'm sitting at something like 3 for 500 across the last five years?
2021-05-03T15:38:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i guess tech has reached saturation
2021-05-03T15:38:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> midfavila: have you tried qemu 6.0.0?
2021-05-03T15:38:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> most of those job apps were across many different sectors
2021-05-03T15:38:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> the first few hundred were for teaching jobs
2021-05-03T15:39:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dammit let me wax poetic about how tech and craft beer relate
2021-05-03T15:40:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmmm
2021-05-03T17:58:10 #kisslinux <riteo> Hi!
2021-05-03T17:58:17 #kisslinux <acheam> hi riteo
2021-05-03T18:19:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> zfs on root officially works at least a remedial capacity with tinyramfs
2021-05-03T18:20:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> welcome to the future, nerds. you have been liberated from your ext* overlords
2021-05-03T18:20:51 #kisslinux <riteo> what's all of this fuss about other FSs that's happening lately??
2021-05-03T18:21:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm on the hunt for the One True Filesystem
2021-05-03T18:21:16 #kisslinux <riteo> is there some real advantage about having something different from ext*?
2021-05-03T18:21:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> obviously *BSD does it right always, and thus zfs is The Way
2021-05-03T18:21:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> zfs offers a billion reasons to use it over ext
2021-05-03T18:21:46 #kisslinux <riteo> well, I'm not sure if zfs is the best choice for an ultra minimal distro. IIRC it has a shitton of features
2021-05-03T18:21:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> many, many
2021-05-03T18:22:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> the initramfs image is quite tiny still though, with a fully static zfs/zpool
2021-05-03T18:22:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> one cool bonus is it makes thinking about data & drives less... opaque
2021-05-03T18:22:52 #kisslinux <riteo> mh, why do you have to use an initramfs?
2021-05-03T18:23:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> because the kernel doesn't currently have any support for bootstrapping itself off a zfs root
2021-05-03T18:23:33 #kisslinux <riteo> wasn't it the point of unix to make devices opaque?
2021-05-03T18:23:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> god i hope not
2021-05-03T18:23:39 #kisslinux <riteo> oh I seee
2021-05-03T18:23:48 #kisslinux <riteo> s/seee/see
2021-05-03T18:23:56 #kisslinux <riteo> bruh
2021-05-03T18:23:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-03T18:24:05 #kisslinux <riteo> I can't write today XD
2021-05-03T18:24:14 #kisslinux <riteo> also, my keyboard is chattering like hell lately
2021-05-03T18:24:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> HOWEVER, you can embed your init into the kernel and it should be able to do all of its magic without an external initramfs
2021-05-03T18:24:44 #kisslinux <riteo> oh that'd be cool
2021-05-03T18:25:03 #kisslinux <riteo> will it ever be supported natively though?
2021-05-03T18:25:48 #kisslinux <riteo> I just read openzfs' wiki page, and the 256 trillion yobibytes max capacity sounds something out of a parody page XD
2021-05-03T18:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile, in ten years' time
2021-05-03T18:26:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> definitely not
2021-05-03T18:26:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> in order to write enough data to completely saturate the potential amount of space you could fill, would require more energy than it takes to boil the oceans
2021-05-03T18:26:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> zfs is fucking #lit
2021-05-03T18:26:51 #kisslinux <riteo> oh no I didn't mean that XD
2021-05-03T18:27:05 #kisslinux <riteo> I should've been more clear. I'm talking about the fs
2021-05-03T18:27:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> i meant definitely not re: native support
2021-05-03T18:27:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but can I have real-time checkpoints under zfs
2021-05-03T18:27:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure
2021-05-03T18:27:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-05-03T18:27:38 #kisslinux <riteo> oh, sorry, I thought the energy part was connected to the answer
2021-05-03T18:27:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> no sorry i'm just thinking faster than i can type lol
2021-05-03T18:28:07 #kisslinux <riteo> oh same thing lol
2021-05-03T18:28:32 #kisslinux <riteo> I'm really excessively over-agitated today lol
2021-05-03T18:28:43 #kisslinux <riteo> but like in a good way, I guess
2021-05-03T19:02:47 #kisslinux <Rio6> I like btrfs and its subvolumes
2021-05-03T19:03:02 #kisslinux <Rio6> makes it easy to add and remove os from the drive
2021-05-03T20:53:16 #kisslinux <nabataeus> how's the project going thus far?
2021-05-03T21:10:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> As in KISS Linux in general?
2021-05-03T21:16:00 #kisslinux <acheam> nabataeus: pretty well
2021-05-03T21:16:08 #kisslinux <acheam> nothing going awry that is
2021-05-03T21:16:14 #kisslinux <acheam> just keeping forward as usual :)
2021-05-03T21:30:20 #kisslinux <newchair> help
2021-05-03T21:32:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> newchair what's up
2021-05-03T21:55:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> newchair: you OK?
2021-05-03T21:55:45 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-03T22:02:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> they got him :'(
2021-05-03T22:03:47 #kisslinux <acheam> we tried our best to save them but alas
2021-05-03T22:03:53 #kisslinux <acheam> hey noocsharp
2021-05-03T22:03:58 #kisslinux <noocsharp> idea: what if we make the maintainer responsible for generating a configure file when it is missing, so that autotool is not a dependency for anything
2021-05-03T22:03:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> howdy
2021-05-03T22:05:32 #kisslinux <acheam> "If there are no pre-generated configure or Makefiles, an
2021-05-03T22:05:33 #kisslinux <acheam> alternate source must be sought."
2021-05-03T22:05:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well yes, but in some cases t here aren't any alternative sources
2021-05-03T22:05:59 #kisslinux <acheam> right and thats what the next line addresses
2021-05-03T22:06:09 #kisslinux <acheam> so yeah, I do agree with you that the alternate source can and should be the maintainer
2021-05-03T22:06:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but i dont think anyone actually does this
2021-05-03T22:07:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I did this for my personal copy of libucl
2021-05-03T22:07:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> we should just pester maintainers harder for releases lmao. dylan did that a few times
2021-05-03T22:08:11 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-05-03T22:08:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i opened an issue for htop
2021-05-03T22:09:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but we still have to deal with this crap in the mean time
2021-05-03T22:10:57 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm I'm having an issue where GNU make can build my code fine, but bmake can't...
2021-05-03T22:11:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I get an undefined reference to 'main' in function `start' in Scrt1.o
2021-05-03T22:11:27 #kisslinux <acheam> when building with bmake
2021-05-03T22:11:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh damn I love that error
2021-05-03T22:11:32 #kisslinux <acheam> newchair he's alive!
2021-05-03T22:12:05 #kisslinux <acheam> oof
2021-05-03T22:12:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> lmao
2021-05-03T22:12:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> just as quickly as he arrives, he is gone
2021-05-03T22:12:32 #kisslinux <acheam> heyo!
2021-05-03T22:12:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're hacking his IP
2021-05-03T22:12:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam: your linked can't find the main function
2021-05-03T22:12:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> linker*
2021-05-03T22:13:12 #kisslinux <acheam> but why can it find it when building with gmake?
2021-05-03T22:13:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> presumably some sort of gnuism in the Makefile
2021-05-03T22:13:40 #kisslinux <acheam> linker is ld btw
2021-05-03T22:13:56 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah I forgot to mention that I'm converting it from GNU to POSIX
2021-05-03T22:14:07 #kisslinux <acheam> but don't know where the gnuism is...
2021-05-03T22:14:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> well
2021-05-03T22:14:56 #kisslinux <acheam> /sbin/ld: /sbin/../lib64/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../lib64/Scrt1.o: in function `_start':
2021-05-03T22:14:58 #kisslinux <acheam> oops
2021-05-03T22:15:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'll probably need to specify -L/lib at some point
2021-05-03T22:15:01 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/opendoas/tree/master/item/GNUmakefile
2021-05-03T22:15:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you embaring on the same project as me?
2021-05-03T22:15:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm trying to get rid of gmake
2021-05-03T22:15:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I just like things to be POSIX :)
2021-05-03T22:16:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> try getting rid of override
2021-05-03T22:16:15 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I already did that
2021-05-03T22:16:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> maybe its the colon equals?
2021-05-03T22:17:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I thought that was posix?
2021-05-03T22:17:55 #kisslinux <acheam> if I don't have the := then it becomes recursive though
2021-05-03T22:21:01 #kisslinux <noocsharp> idk man
2021-05-03T22:21:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> screw around with it till it works
2021-05-03T22:21:14 #kisslinux <acheam> that's how I solve everything
2021-05-03T22:22:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> it do be like that
2021-05-03T22:30:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ah fixed it
2021-05-03T22:31:00 #kisslinux <acheam> the problem was $^
2021-05-03T22:31:19 #kisslinux <acheam> but using *.o works just as well AFAICT
2021-05-03T22:42:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> probably better to use ${OBJS} for consistency
2021-05-03T22:43:39 #kisslinux <acheam> that doesn't work because there are source files in another directory, but the .o files get but in the current directory
2021-05-03T22:44:30 #kisslinux <acheam> although I'm sure with some tinkering that could be resolved
2021-05-03T22:44:32 #kisslinux <acheam> but this works
2021-05-03T22:45:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ah i see
2021-05-03T23:03:27 #kisslinux <acheam> lol these xaw examples i'm following are from 1989
2021-05-03T23:23:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> bruh why
2021-05-03T23:38:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> because xaw is Old Tech(tm)
2021-05-03T23:38:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's a reason mid's desktop looks straight outta the stone age
2021-05-03T23:41:17 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-03T23:41:36 #kisslinux <acheam> might just go with gtk3
2021-05-03T23:46:29 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what are you making?
2021-05-03T23:49:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably a mistake
2021-05-03T23:52:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> sounds like it
2021-05-03T23:55:05 #kisslinux <acheam> haha
2021-05-03T23:55:27 #kisslinux <acheam> was trying to make something like gksudo but for doas
2021-05-03T23:55:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I didn't want to directly ask for advice on gui toolkit as to avoid to create a flame war
2021-05-03T23:56:26 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so you _do_ know what the answer is
2021-05-03T23:56:53 #kisslinux <acheam> uh do i
2021-05-03T23:57:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> of course, wayland or bust
2021-05-03T23:57:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no gui toolkit
2021-05-03T23:57:26 #kisslinux <acheam> framebuffer
2021-05-03T23:57:32 #kisslinux <acheam> directly
2021-05-03T23:57:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dry erase markers