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2021-02-18T00:33:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I agree, dilyn, but I think the general consensus is this: We do need a new BDFL, but there is no one person in the community with the skills required to take on KISS as a whole. Electing a poorly-chosen, under-qualified BDFL would only cause harm to KISS
2021-02-18T00:33:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> fax
2021-02-18T00:34:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> BUT
2021-02-18T00:34:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm not certain the BDFL necessary has to do any hardcore dev work on the distro, UNLESS they decide to implement those types of changes
2021-02-18T00:36:29 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm. So maybe this: We elect a new BDFL (I think we all know who this will likely be), and the BDFL makes decisions which they may not be able to execute themselves, but can delegate to community members. The only real role of the BDFL would be to mainting repo-main, and monitor repo-community
2021-02-18T00:37:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ^ agreed
2021-02-18T00:38:16 #kisslinux <acheam> With this system, the poll is a single question: "who do you nominate for BDFL? Enter a '-' to indicate you don't want a new BDFL"
2021-02-18T00:38:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> The BDFL plays a far larger role than just maintaining and monitoring tho! Even if they don't themselves do the coding, it is their sole discretion what direction the distro goes. So it's not a decision to be taken lightly :S
2021-02-18T00:38:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah that's what I was picturing acheam. We elect our Caesar
2021-02-18T00:39:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then when one of us inevitably becomes brutus, we destroy ourselves in our quest for power and domination
2021-02-18T00:39:28 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: right. I meant that in addition to maintinging the vision of the distro
2021-02-18T00:39:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> what did Dylan mean by "below governance structure" exactly'
2021-02-18T00:39:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I'd imagine a steering comitte or the like
2021-02-18T00:40:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah ok figured just wasn't sure
2021-02-18T00:41:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> i agree that a BDFL is the best way to go about it, and leave it up to BDFL disgression *who* and *how* changes are implemented
2021-02-18T00:41:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> Like a senate, come on follow the metaphor
2021-02-18T00:41:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-02-18T00:41:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> We sell our souls and take our lumps
2021-02-18T00:44:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> on consideration. i still think it might be important to differentiate this new bdfl with dylan’s role as the sole bdfl. kinda like and executive officer position. same authority as dylan in his absence. will minimize the # of people “offended” by the leadership change.
2021-02-18T00:45:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> benevolent dictator for now
2021-02-18T00:45:21 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lol. yup.
2021-02-18T00:45:32 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i love it
2021-02-18T00:46:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, but make sure its clear that on the caveat that a) if Dylan comes back, its his, b) if he doesn't, the BDFL intends to keep the distro going so that its not dead in the water
2021-02-18T00:47:20 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> yup. BDFL > BDFN
2021-02-18T00:47:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> for now*
2021-02-18T00:47:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> *pending dylan
2021-02-18T00:47:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> exactly lmao
2021-02-18T00:48:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> that caveat makes it basically mandatory that at least two people control the repositories and such, ideally different two people between them all
2021-02-18T00:48:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> because something something coup
2021-02-18T00:50:37 #kisslinux <acheam> draft poll: https://nextcloud.ggc-project.de/index.php/apps/forms/Z8nQgzCgM4NEDKpd
2021-02-18T00:51:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> shows up for me
2021-02-18T00:51:42 #kisslinux <acheam> Could someone quickly check this, and then I will distribute it
2021-02-18T00:51:49 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: text reads well?
2021-02-18T00:51:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-02-18T00:52:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> lemme re-read the preamble tho
2021-02-18T00:53:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> sounds good to me
2021-02-18T00:53:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> poll seems functional as well
2021-02-18T00:53:30 #kisslinux <acheam> great!
2021-02-18T00:53:51 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m], dilyn, what do you think?
2021-02-18T00:53:59 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m] ^
2021-02-18T00:54:57 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> looks good to me
2021-02-18T00:56:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> looks perfecto
2021-02-18T01:01:17 #kisslinux <acheam> KISS USERS FAR AND WIDE, YOU ARE CORDIALLY INVITED TO OFFICIALLY FILL OUT THE KISS BDFL POLL. url is https://kiss-poll.armaanb.net, ends 2021-02-24
2021-02-18T01:01:30 #kisslinux <acheam> PLEASE SHARE THIS LINK!
2021-02-18T01:01:37 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: can you post to the subreddit?
2021-02-18T01:05:53 #kisslinux <acheam> I've posted the link into the issues of both repo-main and repo-community in both kiss-community and kisslinux
2021-02-18T01:06:05 #kisslinux <acheam> And PRed for it to be added to the "updates" file in repo-community
2021-02-18T01:06:22 #kisslinux <acheam> I am also planning on pasting the link into here every once and a while
2021-02-18T01:07:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> can do
2021-02-18T01:08:09 #kisslinux <acheam> great!
2021-02-18T01:08:19 #kisslinux <acheam> we've already got one response! (from me)
2021-02-18T01:10:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> i've responded :>
2021-02-18T01:10:28 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> oh. just realized… a single user can make multiple poll submissions?
2021-02-18T01:10:36 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah, no good way of stopping that.
2021-02-18T01:10:38 #kisslinux <acheam> honor system.
2021-02-18T01:10:41 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ok
2021-02-18T01:13:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah don't let them know
2021-02-18T01:13:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> *votes for obama 100 times*
2021-02-18T01:14:56 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i hope no one demands a recount ^^
2021-02-18T01:15:00 #kisslinux <acheam> lolol
2021-02-18T01:15:37 #kisslinux <acheam> in the actual vote, I might use a more secure method
2021-02-18T01:15:52 #kisslinux <acheam> or should this be the actual vote
2021-02-18T01:16:06 #kisslinux <acheam> i was thinking that this would just be nominations, and then we have another vote with the nominated people
2021-02-18T01:17:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> is the community large enough for that to be a concern?
2021-02-18T01:20:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> The only reason to revote would be if you see someone who was nominated and go 'oh yea, fuck the guy i chose. I want this one'
2021-02-18T01:23:22 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm yeah
2021-02-18T01:23:35 #kisslinux <noocsharp> Since its a democratically elected position, it can't be a BDFL. it has to be BPFL or BPMFL
2021-02-18T01:23:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> dictators can be elected
2021-02-18T01:24:40 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ah, i guess thats true
2021-02-18T01:24:50 #kisslinux <acheam> okay, I updated the form to not indicate that there will be a second vote
2021-02-18T01:25:34 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: probably not
2021-02-18T01:26:51 #kisslinux <g70> autocracy > oligarchy any day of the week
2021-02-18T01:50:56 #kisslinux <acheam> 12 results already!
2021-02-18T02:11:13 #kisslinux <acheam> just a little analytics thing: We've had 41 Unique cloners to repo-community, and 58 unique visitors. 57 Unique cloners to repo-main and 54 unique visitors
2021-02-18T02:12:28 #kisslinux <acheam> Ie; kiss-community has about 50 users
2021-02-18T02:16:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> man
2021-02-18T02:16:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> the silent majority is a real thing everywhere huh
2021-02-18T02:18:05 #kisslinux <acheam> repo-community has had 133 contributors, wheras kisslinux/community had 102
2021-02-18T02:18:13 #kisslinux <acheam> so we got 31 new contributors!
2021-02-18T02:18:25 #kisslinux <acheam> although those numbers don't really line up...
2021-02-18T02:18:39 #kisslinux <acheam> some people must have used multiple emails with git or somthing
2021-02-18T02:19:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> i know that i have 2 emails there
2021-02-18T02:19:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz i bounced from my uni one to my personal
2021-02-18T02:19:38 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty sure I have two there as well
2021-02-18T02:19:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I switched from using code⊙an to me⊙an for everything
2021-02-18T02:20:25 #kisslinux <acheam> aliases were too much of a paint to manage
2021-02-18T02:34:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> how are we supposed to spy on users if they keep changing their identifiers
2021-02-18T02:34:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> stop it, users.
2021-02-18T02:35:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> systemD
2021-02-18T02:36:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i suspect Dylan is just using a different identifier now. :) watching us…
2021-02-18T02:39:36 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: nice poll!
2021-02-18T02:54:04 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks phoebos[m]1
2021-02-18T02:56:35 #kisslinux <acheam> some people who said yes to electing a new maintainer aren't nominating one...
2021-02-18T02:57:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> we talking about a lot or?
2021-02-18T02:57:22 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, 2
2021-02-18T02:57:25 #kisslinux <acheam> so no
2021-02-18T02:58:43 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: can you edit your reddit post with a link to the website mirror? Either url (k1ss.armaanb.net, or k1ss.net) is fine, they both point to my server
2021-02-18T02:59:27 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> how many responses so far?
2021-02-18T02:59:38 #kisslinux <acheam> 18
2021-02-18T03:00:30 #kisslinux <acheam> out of 50 or so expected. I'm sure the numbers will shoot up when it gets added to the "update" file in repo-community
2021-02-18T03:04:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> not bad so far tho
2021-02-18T03:05:14 #kisslinux <acheam> for sure
2021-02-18T03:05:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: done!
2021-02-18T03:06:09 #kisslinux <acheam> great, thanks, dilyn!
2021-02-18T03:06:33 #kisslinux <acheam> the markdown is broken
2021-02-18T03:06:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I think you need to add the https or http
2021-02-18T03:07:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip
2021-02-18T03:07:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> fixed lol
2021-02-18T03:07:51 #kisslinux <acheam> also, i'm sorry I forced you to choose between two .net domains :)
2021-02-18T03:09:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> not my website not my problem :v
2021-02-18T03:10:03 #kisslinux <acheam> also, it seems a significant number of people don't know whether the y or the i comes first in your name, lol
2021-02-18T03:10:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-18T03:10:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> well its clearly dylin right
2021-02-18T03:10:48 #kisslinux <acheam> ofc
2021-02-18T03:13:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> it doesn't even surprise me
2021-02-18T03:13:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think my name is hard, but it's like it causes spontaneous, hyper-focused dislexia
2021-02-18T03:13:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> probably doesn't help we're considering moving from a Dylan
2021-02-18T03:14:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> my name has a distortion field around it that eliminates literacy or something idk
2021-02-18T03:14:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> magick
2021-02-18T03:14:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> es obvio
2021-02-18T03:15:32 #kisslinux <acheam> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210211
2021-02-18T03:15:38 #kisslinux <acheam> //freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210125
2021-02-18T03:15:42 #kisslinux <acheam> //freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200915
2021-02-18T03:15:51 #kisslinux <acheam> 3 instances of people confusing dilyn and dylan
2021-02-18T03:16:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> hahaha
2021-02-18T03:16:24 #kisslinux <acheam> if dilyn is the next BDFL.... my that would cause confusion
2021-02-18T03:16:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> well he'd be the BDFN tho :P
2021-02-18T03:16:58 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn would be the BDFN until the BDFL dylan comes back
2021-02-18T03:17:02 #kisslinux <acheam> how simple to understand
2021-02-18T03:23:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> I try so hard not to be offended when people get my name wrong
2021-02-18T03:23:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, at least they don't think i'm Boris Johnson's dog
2021-02-18T03:23:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> but still
2021-02-18T03:23:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> dw i've recently had people try to replace an i with an e when I say my name outloud for stuff recently
2021-02-18T03:24:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> had that when i was tryna get my antidepressents from the pharmacy
2021-02-18T03:24:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> and i'm like "??? am i just saying this weird, coz my name is kinda standard"
2021-02-18T03:24:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-02-18T03:25:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> people are so bad with names
2021-02-18T03:25:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> tbf i think its coz i mutter
2021-02-18T03:25:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> best spelling guess i've ever had is 'dilyian'
2021-02-18T03:25:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> still confuses me, but they got all the right letters
2021-02-18T03:25:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> that's amazing
2021-02-18T03:25:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-18T03:26:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-02-18T03:28:16 #kisslinux <acheam> my name is "armaan", pronounced "armahn". I frequently get called anything from "armin" to "armaind" to "almond". Genuinley no clue how the letters in my name get to how they say it.
2021-02-18T03:28:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok but my name is Liam
2021-02-18T03:28:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> so
2021-02-18T03:29:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...l..li...
2021-02-18T03:29:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> liar?
2021-02-18T03:29:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> /shrug
2021-02-18T03:29:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> heck
2021-02-18T03:39:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> there's a user in the reddit post asking if people who wanna take up the torch are able to advertise themselves a bit
2021-02-18T03:39:54 #kisslinux <acheam> You know what grind my gears? "env: invalid option -- 'h'. Try 'env --help' for more information." If you weren't going to use -h, then you may as well have made it into an alias to --help like every other program on my system!
2021-02-18T03:40:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wish -h was a mandatory flag if you don't have a man page
2021-02-18T03:40:53 #kisslinux <acheam> the best you can do is to make it work right in your own programs I guess
2021-02-18T03:41:50 #kisslinux <acheam> I do -h, --help, and manpages at the minimun, and if the readme is significant, I put that in /usr/share/doc, along with a web mirror of the manpages. Nothing more annoying than a badly documented program.
2021-02-18T03:42:49 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: I saw that, dilyn you might want to edit the post (again) and include a link to kiss-community, as it seems not everyone (such as the person who commented) knows about it
2021-02-18T03:42:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> i haven't written any programs that i've distributed, and i don't document my personal code well
2021-02-18T03:43:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> but if you distribute code i feel like it should be needed
2021-02-18T03:43:21 #kisslinux <acheam> tbf, there are literally 0 comments in the source code of most of my programs
2021-02-18T03:43:38 #kisslinux <acheam> Dylan was really good about inline documentation
2021-02-18T03:43:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> im mostly referring to my data analysis python codes
2021-02-18T03:44:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> i love programs where when i do foo -h and it says '-h is not a valid option' and then displays all the options. I feel like i've won
2021-02-18T03:45:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> stumbling into success
2021-02-18T03:46:26 #kisslinux <acheam> oh the other really annoying thing is when the output of -h or --help is litterally the entire manpage. "delta -h | wc -l" is 411 lines!
2021-02-18T03:46:58 #kisslinux <acheam> and you can't even pipe it into a pager nicely because of the escape codes
2021-02-18T03:47:36 #kisslinux <acheam> I lied, `less -r` fixes the escape code issue
2021-02-18T03:48:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> just a lot easier to write "see man page, foo(1)"
2021-02-18T03:49:59 #kisslinux <acheam> or just follow the convention that --help is an abbreviated look at just the usage options
2021-02-18T03:50:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> just read the source code :v
2021-02-18T03:51:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> no :<
2021-02-18T03:51:56 #kisslinux <acheam> oooh, sorry one more documentation thing that really bugs me: No manpage/guides that reccomend not writing manpages. Manpages are the shit. A centralized offline repository for help on the system? Hell yes! But more and more programs don't include them, which decrases their usefullness. You can learn to program system-level C proficiently from the manpages, but people don't see the value in them.
2021-02-18T03:52:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive seen some comments that man pages are obselete
2021-02-18T03:52:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I think people don't like troff, and they take it out on manpages
2021-02-18T03:53:57 #kisslinux <acheam> people who dislike manpages have obviously never had to learn how Linux networking works after they've fucked up their networking. No web documentation is going to help you there.
2021-02-18T03:53:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I delete basically everything in /usr/share and all traces of documentation
2021-02-18T03:54:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> who NEEDS IT
2021-02-18T03:54:07 #kisslinux <acheam> exactly
2021-02-18T03:54:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> If I need a manpage, I don't need the program
2021-02-18T03:54:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> just go to SO 5head
2021-02-18T03:54:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> precisely
2021-02-18T03:54:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> the ubuntu forum will guide me
2021-02-18T03:54:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> only half of what i've said so far is sarcasm
2021-02-18T04:03:53 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> as a side note, not that we ever made a decision in this, but i decide to convert the wiki articles to pandoc markdown (strict). about 30%. but it gives an idea of what it could look like. looks alot cleaner and easier to read , imho: https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki.html
2021-02-18T04:04:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> * as a side note, not that we ever made a decision in this, but i decide to convert the wiki articles to pandoc markdown (strict). about 30% done. but it gives an idea of what it could look like. looks alot cleaner and easier to read , imho: https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki.html
2021-02-18T04:05:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> looks nice imo
2021-02-18T04:05:16 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> well maybe 15% done. i have been avoiding the long articles. lol
2021-02-18T04:06:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> to each there own
2021-02-18T04:06:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> tihi
2021-02-18T04:06:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> how are you converting it?
2021-02-18T04:06:39 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> manually. only been working in it for like ~1hr.
2021-02-18T04:06:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> the articles themselves are pretty nice looking!
2021-02-18T04:06:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh jeez wow that would suck
2021-02-18T04:06:55 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> meh. it’s quick
2021-02-18T04:06:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> Is it possible to center them?
2021-02-18T04:07:29 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> as plain text files? idk. lol.
2021-02-18T04:07:35 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sure i guess
2021-02-18T04:07:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-18T04:07:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean if I really wanted to read them I would just shrink the size of my browser to 'center' them
2021-02-18T04:09:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lol. yeah. that’s one way. i imagine you could pipe the output of curl and modify it that way as well
2021-02-18T04:09:46 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: i'm confused, you're converting them to pandoc markdown, but the links you sent only has plaintext articles?
2021-02-18T04:10:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: yes. i will change the extensions in bulk at the end.
2021-02-18T04:10:34 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> it’s just for now ^^
2021-02-18T04:10:44 #kisslinux <acheam> ahhh got it
2021-02-18T04:10:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I was only clikcing on the unconverted ones
2021-02-18T04:11:04 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ah. gotcha. yeah.
2021-02-18T04:11:20 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks for the effore mcpcpc[m]
2021-02-18T04:11:45 #kisslinux <acheam> I think this is the way to move forward, and I can't imagine the next BDFL disagreeing, espeically given that it can be converted back into plaintext
2021-02-18T04:11:55 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: np. it’s kinda therapeutic. lol
2021-02-18T04:12:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I wonder if pandoc has a style validator... maybe if you converted the markdown into html and then back again, then compared the input and output
2021-02-18T04:12:47 #kisslinux <acheam> so we could have a CI step checking whether or not the contributions were properly styled
2021-02-18T04:14:02 #kisslinux <acheam> Also one more thing, if you want syntax highlighting for the code snippets, I use Pygments and it works well for me. You could have a convert script where it converts the markdown to HTML, and syntax highlights it int the proces
2021-02-18T04:14:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> will look into it in a bit. since i am doing this manually, i will need to verify my work in the end.
2021-02-18T04:15:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-02-18T04:15:16 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i’ll look into Pygments as well
2021-02-18T04:15:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> heyhey
2021-02-18T04:15:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-02-18T04:15:39 #kisslinux <acheam> lots happened while you were away
2021-02-18T04:15:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-18T04:15:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah i read the logs
2021-02-18T04:16:00 #kisslinux <acheam> long story short: https://kiss-poll.armaanb.net
2021-02-18T04:16:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> o/
2021-02-18T04:16:07 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> calling it quits for now tho. goodnight all.
2021-02-18T04:16:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What happened to the other questions tho
2021-02-18T04:16:23 #kisslinux <acheam> they can be answered by the BDFL
2021-02-18T04:16:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> or we're gonna decide on them later?
2021-02-18T04:16:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh, yeah
2021-02-18T04:16:42 #kisslinux <acheam> IDK why I didn't think of that earlier lol
2021-02-18T04:16:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah we kinda decided that a BDFL (or BDFN) is kinda essential
2021-02-18T04:16:59 #kisslinux <acheam> we only need the rest of the questions if the community decides on community governance
2021-02-18T04:17:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> or at least
2021-02-18T04:17:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-02-18T04:17:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> the binary of that
2021-02-18T04:17:57 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: can you take a look at the PR on community?
2021-02-18T04:18:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah I'll just merge it
2021-02-18T04:18:33 #kisslinux <acheam> great, thanks!
2021-02-18T04:19:21 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: I found a Nextcloud instance that just so happened to have the forms app BTW, so its all FOSS code powering it
2021-02-18T04:19:49 #kisslinux <acheam> AGPLv3
2021-02-18T04:22:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice, but is that instance reliable tho ? I think i had a few issues with it few months back with invidious
2021-02-18T04:23:35 #kisslinux <kyao> its really hard to nominate just one BDFL, are more names allowed?
2021-02-18T04:24:01 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: I use their teddit instance and it's been fine
2021-02-18T04:24:26 #kisslinux <acheam> kyao: put multiple if you like (some people already did), but one or two is encouraged
2021-02-18T04:43:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> ungoogled chromium insists on gnu patch for essentially no good reason
2021-02-18T04:43:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> how absurd
2021-02-18T04:44:06 #kisslinux <acheam> what gnu patch is this?
2021-02-18T04:44:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> GNU's patch
2021-02-18T04:44:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the gnu patch program
2021-02-18T04:44:46 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol. I thought it was a patch written by GNU
2021-02-18T04:44:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean
2021-02-18T04:45:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> in a different sense of patch
2021-02-18T04:45:06 #kisslinux <acheam> yes haha
2021-02-18T04:45:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why would GNU write a patch for CHROMIUM :p
2021-02-18T04:45:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> wait you mean the G doesn't stand for google?
2021-02-18T04:45:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> Google gNoogle gUgle
2021-02-18T04:45:55 #kisslinux <acheam> KISS needs a gemini site
2021-02-18T04:46:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> someone made one
2021-02-18T04:46:05 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl
2021-02-18T04:46:11 #kisslinux <acheam> but its not official
2021-02-18T04:46:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-02-18T04:46:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes well
2021-02-18T04:46:22 #kisslinux <acheam> and was manually ported
2021-02-18T04:46:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> much like how English is the only supported human language
2021-02-18T04:46:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> HTTPS is the only supported internet protocol
2021-02-18T04:46:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> kekw
2021-02-18T04:46:47 #kisslinux <acheam> we can change that though
2021-02-18T04:46:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-18T04:47:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> one could!
2021-02-18T04:47:07 #kisslinux <acheam> A lot more people would want a gemini port of the website than a Spanish port
2021-02-18T04:47:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> :thinking:
2021-02-18T04:47:22 #kisslinux <acheam> it also wouldnt be that hard
2021-02-18T04:47:45 #kisslinux <acheam> with the markdown pages that mcpcpc[m] is working on
2021-02-18T04:47:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> I will grant that gemini is more KISS-like
2021-02-18T04:48:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> i dont think ive actively used any gemini sites
2021-02-18T04:49:32 #kisslinux <acheam> gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space is a start :)
2021-02-18T04:51:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> what client you recommend?
2021-02-18T04:51:28 #kisslinux <acheam> amfora is popular
2021-02-18T04:51:31 #kisslinux <acheam> and in the community repo
2021-02-18T04:51:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> neat
2021-02-18T04:51:52 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr I lied
2021-02-18T04:51:59 #kisslinux <acheam> its in micr0's repo I think
2021-02-18T04:52:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao yeah just noticed
2021-02-18T04:52:19 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/jedahan/kiss-repo
2021-02-18T04:52:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> nice that the git page has that mentioned
2021-02-18T04:52:35 #kisslinux <acheam> and its a version out of date now
2021-02-18T04:52:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> great
2021-02-18T04:52:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-18T04:52:57 #kisslinux <acheam> micr0's not been super involved in kiss for a while now, not sure why
2021-02-18T04:53:02 #kisslinux <acheam> he started kiss-community
2021-02-18T04:53:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> is it worth shoving into the community or noh?
2021-02-18T04:55:56 #kisslinux <acheam> if you want to maintain it :)
2021-02-18T04:56:17 #kisslinux <acheam> but yes, it is of general interest I think
2021-02-18T04:56:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> i mean sure, just remembering what soemone else said about not making the community repo like the AUR
2021-02-18T04:56:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> :P
2021-02-18T04:56:59 #kisslinux <acheam> I thought that was in reference to the way the AUR is structured, without any governeance at all
2021-02-18T04:57:05 #kisslinux <acheam> but I might be misremembering
2021-02-18T04:58:02 #kisslinux <acheam> dylin said: "redundancy in the universal sense; the main repos stay small and well maintained, which is the goal. community shouldn't be the AUR IMO"
2021-02-18T04:58:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-02-18T04:58:27 #kisslinux <acheam> so as long as its kept up to date, and building fine, then its fine
2021-02-18T04:58:43 #kisslinux <acheam> ie; if your gonna maintain it, then actually maintain it
2021-02-18T04:59:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> cool, i need to fork the new community repo soon anyway, my pacakges haven't gone out of date yet but better to get on top of that
2021-02-18T05:00:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: there's a "series" file so you can just for `for patch in $(cat series)...`
2021-02-18T05:00:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I'll see if busybox patch werks
2021-02-18T05:03:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed indeed!
2021-02-18T05:04:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> unpacking chromium takes so long it makes testing stuff more time consuming than it ought to be
2021-02-18T05:15:48 #kisslinux <acheam> I've always wondered how people working on huge projects like the Linux kernel, firefox, etc can efficiently test things.
2021-02-18T05:16:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I suppose with c/c++ programs ccache must help a lot
2021-02-18T05:16:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i imagine incremental builds are lifesaving
2021-02-18T05:16:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you might wanna wait before building tho, there's an update
2021-02-18T05:17:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> still an 88* release?
2021-02-18T05:22:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ye
2021-02-18T05:25:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> not even close to worth it :v
2021-02-18T05:25:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe I'll update chromium in... june.
2021-02-18T05:26:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ah man the bridge broke on my matrix homeserver, need to check log and reply
2021-02-18T05:26:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-18T05:27:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i like how chromium only needs gcc but takes more time to compile than (rust+clang+llvm+firefox) combined x 2
2021-02-18T05:33:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something my browser is an operating system
2021-02-18T05:36:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> hey, can't seem to create a pull request against the new community repo from my original fork
2021-02-18T05:36:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> not sure if im just big dumb or what
2021-02-18T05:36:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what does it say
2021-02-18T05:36:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> site says there's nothing to compare
2021-02-18T05:36:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> must be the main master stuff
2021-02-18T05:36:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> try editing the url manually
2021-02-18T05:38:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> fixed i think
2021-02-18T05:39:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-18T05:42:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> cheers for that
2021-02-18T05:50:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> fixed those style issues, and the make dependency btw testuser
2021-02-18T05:52:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-18T06:33:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice, the ungoogled patchset applies just fine without gnu patch
2021-02-18T07:33:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> so i know "lol social media bad" but uh, facebook banned *all* news content from the site in Australia due to government strongarming
2021-02-18T07:58:23 #kisslinux <mutt> help
2021-02-18T07:59:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what happened
2021-02-18T07:59:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> mutt
2021-02-18T08:04:15 #kisslinux <mutt> Does anyone know any,for beginners?
2021-02-18T08:05:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> huh
2021-02-18T08:05:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> odd
2021-02-18T08:30:46 #kisslinux <travankor> btw who's in charge of the irc channel now
2021-02-18T08:44:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> none
2021-02-18T08:48:57 #kisslinux <travankor> time for bdfl then :0
2021-02-18T08:53:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What needs to be changed about the irc channel tho ?
2021-02-18T08:56:45 #kisslinux <travankor> there should be someone with op
2021-02-18T09:02:20 #kisslinux <konimex> for what purpose?
2021-02-18T09:03:57 #kisslinux <travankor> for the same purpose that every other channel has a person with op
2021-02-18T09:04:25 #kisslinux <konimex> fair enough
2021-02-18T09:54:55 #kisslinux <Panda58dev> hello everyone!
2021-02-18T09:55:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> hey!
2021-02-18T09:58:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-02-18T10:00:31 #kisslinux <Panda58dev> As I understand it, this chat is about linux?
2021-02-18T10:01:07 #kisslinux <travankor> the kiss linux distro
2021-02-18T10:01:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-18T10:01:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> not linux in general, just this specific distro
2021-02-18T10:03:22 #kisslinux <Panda58dev> I like MX-Linux
2021-02-18T10:09:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-18T11:16:30 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> am i being dumb
2021-02-18T11:16:30 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i'm trying to package a go app
2021-02-18T11:16:30 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> how do i get into the build dir from the `build` script
2021-02-18T11:16:37 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> https://kiss.armaanb.net/wiki/kiss/style-guide#1100 isn't very helpful
2021-02-18T11:17:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The build script starts in a directory which is the build directory, what are you trying to do ?
2021-02-18T11:18:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> yep that's the one
2021-02-18T11:18:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> thanks
2021-02-18T11:18:24 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i forgot that
2021-02-18T11:18:30 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i was all cd $1/...
2021-02-18T11:18:35 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> thanks
2021-02-18T11:18:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> $1 is the dir where the package is gonna be installed
2021-02-18T11:18:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> np
2021-02-18T11:20:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> fuuuuuuuuck
2021-02-18T11:20:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kernel crashed while doing parallel chromium builds
2021-02-18T11:20:14 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> omg wow
2021-02-18T11:20:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> sheit
2021-02-18T11:20:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> thank god for ccache
2021-02-18T11:20:41 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> hahaha yep
2021-02-18T11:21:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think this is the same issue i had few months back where the kernel would randomly crash, and a random kernel upgrade fixed it
2021-02-18T11:21:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive not encountered kernel crashes like that
2021-02-18T11:23:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> weird
2021-02-18T11:23:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I have made 128gb swap on hdd for lulz so i don't think it crashed cuz of OOM
2021-02-18T11:28:59 #kisslinux <travankor> kernel should never crash because of oom
2021-02-18T11:29:38 #kisslinux <travankor> maybe the kernel was built with a bad config option?
2021-02-18T11:29:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm, havent changed it much
2021-02-18T11:30:12 #kisslinux <travankor> you've experienced the crash before though?
2021-02-18T11:30:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> meh, doesn't matter much
2021-02-18T11:30:37 #kisslinux <travankor> lol ok
2021-02-18T11:31:22 #kisslinux <travankor> do what you gotta do :D
2021-02-18T13:34:12 #kisslinux <acheam> wow, 44 form responses!
2021-02-18T13:38:26 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> nice.
2021-02-18T13:39:07 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> btw, added some guidelines and rules for the new wiki format. it’s really minimal. but should help people get started. https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki.html
2021-02-18T13:39:26 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> let me know if you guys have any thoughts on how to improve it further
2021-02-18T13:41:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-18T13:45:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Would the BDFL be "in name only", and a small group of people would still have access to the repos in case _they_ in turn disappear?
2021-02-18T13:46:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the org already has 3 members so yeah
2021-02-18T13:47:15 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: love the black headings
2021-02-18T13:47:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> just wanted to confirm, thanks
2021-02-18T13:49:15 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: yeah. i think it’s “sexy” looking. lol. I may end up stealing the style for my blog if it goes no where ^^.
2021-02-18T13:52:30 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> anyway, i think the new wiki format meets the guidestones (other than the fact the landing page is parsed in jekyll). with the instructions provided, it is no harder than what we are used to. e.g. “kiss help”
2021-02-18T13:56:55 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: can you minify the pages?
2021-02-18T13:58:58 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: sure! gonna take a break for a bit though (i have my day-job to get back to :3).
2021-02-18T13:59:34 #kisslinux <acheam> also you might consider a gray background color to the code blocks, and a lighter color on the comments. You should be able to do this with a CSS selector
2021-02-18T13:59:38 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: of course :)
2021-02-18T14:00:55 #kisslinux <aarng> nice work, mcpcpc[m]
2021-02-18T14:01:57 #kisslinux <aarng> for the plain text wiki articles, I'd prefer underlined headers, I think it's easier to distinguish the different "sections" of a file at a glance
2021-02-18T14:02:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Is it possible to log kernel messages with busybox syslog ?
2021-02-18T14:02:21 #kisslinux <aarng> as in, underline using ==== for h1, ---- for h2's
2021-02-18T14:03:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I'd agree that the h3s need something a bit more distringuishing, but I think the h2s look great right not.
2021-02-18T14:05:37 #kisslinux <konimex> doesn't busybox have it's own dmesg for kernel messages?
2021-02-18T14:05:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah, but i want them logged to /var/log/messages
2021-02-18T14:05:59 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: for when you get back, could you mirror awesome-kiss onto there as well?
2021-02-18T14:06:20 #kisslinux <acheam> or when its ready, we could combine awesome-kiss into the wiki or smthng
2021-02-18T14:06:54 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i was back and forth on the heading styles (atx vs syntax styles). for the initial conversion, i decided on the syntax style. should be able to get away with h1/h2s only, imho
2021-02-18T14:06:59 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sure.
2021-02-18T14:08:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> for example, here is the install page with atx headers: https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss_plain/install.txt
2021-02-18T14:08:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> easier to read for sure
2021-02-18T14:08:34 #kisslinux <aarng> much better
2021-02-18T14:09:51 #kisslinux <aarng> technically you are not allowed to have more than h1 though
2021-02-18T14:10:31 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> yeah. that was a mistake. lol.
2021-02-18T14:11:11 #kisslinux <aarng> all good
2021-02-18T14:11:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> Ah, are we working on another gemini site?
2021-02-18T14:11:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam:
2021-02-18T14:11:45 #kisslinux <aarng> not a fan of the ``` code blocks
2021-02-18T14:11:58 #kisslinux <aarng> I think they break what markdown is about
2021-02-18T14:12:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> the link i just provided is also not compliant with the style guidelines proposed. just something i messed around with.
2021-02-18T14:12:05 #kisslinux <aarng> perfectly readable in plain text
2021-02-18T14:12:31 #kisslinux <aarng> fine on small blocks, but on longer ones... where does the code end? is it text now? let me hunt for that ```
2021-02-18T14:12:34 #kisslinux <aarng> -.-
2021-02-18T14:13:17 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0: not instantly, but i'd wish for there to be an official gemini site. With mcpcpc[m]'s porting efforts this would be super easy
2021-02-18T14:13:17 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> those are gone in the actual wiki pages
2021-02-18T14:13:50 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> the style guide will benefit from the atx headers for sure: https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki/kiss/style-guide.txt
2021-02-18T14:13:58 #kisslinux <aarng> nice <3
2021-02-18T14:15:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam: Are there any plans for gopher?
2021-02-18T14:16:13 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0: if there are tools to automatically convert HTML or Markdown to a gophermap then sure
2021-02-18T14:16:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> nice
2021-02-18T14:16:28 #kisslinux <acheam> But I much prefer Gemini
2021-02-18T14:16:36 #kisslinux <acheam> encrypted, understandable, easy
2021-02-18T14:17:12 #kisslinux <acheam> gophermaps suck to write by hand, is unencrypted, and is just generally less comfortable to browse
2021-02-18T14:18:29 #kisslinux <acheam> IF YOU HAVE NOT YET FILLED OUT THE BDFL FORM, PLEASE DO SO, KISS USERS. https://kiss-poll.armaanb.net
2021-02-18T14:20:27 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: one more thing, you might want to include a footer with copyright / linux trademark info, and an "EOF"
2021-02-18T14:27:09 #kisslinux <merakor> Ohh nice, election week?
2021-02-18T14:29:11 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed!
2021-02-18T14:31:35 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: also, none of the links are hyperlinks
2021-02-18T14:31:43 #kisslinux <acheam> should I create issues for these things?
2021-02-18T14:40:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam: When does the poll end? I'll only be able to fill it out later today
2021-02-18T14:40:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> 24
2021-02-18T14:40:43 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0: you have plenty of time, it ends on the 24th
2021-02-18T14:40:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> OK
2021-02-18T14:40:50 #kisslinux <acheam> it's only two questions BTW
2021-02-18T14:46:36 #kisslinux <acheam> also, the markdown website seems to translate pretty much perfectly to a srht wiki
2021-02-18T14:46:38 #kisslinux <acheam> https://man.sr.ht/~armaan/test/
2021-02-18T14:47:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-18T15:02:10 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "should I create issues for these"> please do! ^^
2021-02-18T15:02:29 #kisslinux <acheam> will do
2021-02-18T15:04:23 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> also, looks really nice as srht wiki
2021-02-18T15:05:42 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> How will a new BDFL be chosen? Another poll?
2021-02-18T15:06:19 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Scratch that... Just saw the second question
2021-02-18T15:06:50 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I'd love to see a Gemini version of the site
2021-02-18T16:15:18 #kisslinux <aarng> mcpcpc[m]: I made something to ease the wiki format conversion a bit
2021-02-18T16:15:21 #kisslinux <aarng> https://termbin.com/1gt7
2021-02-18T16:17:59 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: do you code in anything but awk?
2021-02-18T16:18:22 #kisslinux <aarng> yes, shell :)
2021-02-18T16:19:19 #kisslinux <aarng> but yeah, besides awk being my fav languange, it was the right tool for the job in this case
2021-02-18T16:19:36 #kisslinux <acheam> Yeah for sure.
2021-02-18T16:29:43 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <aarng "mcpcpc: I made something to ease"> oh. will take a look in a bit. i opted out automating initially it since i noticed there were inconsistencies from article to article.
2021-02-18T16:31:48 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> it all needs to be double-check manually anyway. automated or not.
2021-02-18T16:32:50 #kisslinux <aarng> definitely
2021-02-18T16:33:08 #kisslinux <aarng> I found some bugs in the script already, one sec
2021-02-18T16:36:30 #kisslinux <aarng> https://termbin.com/5glh
2021-02-18T16:37:08 #kisslinux <aarng> it's still not perfect but should save you quite some time
2021-02-18T16:37:43 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sure. thanks!
2021-02-18T16:40:01 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: you may wish to try out https://github.com/markdownlint/markdownlint
2021-02-18T16:40:09 #kisslinux <acheam> just for checking
2021-02-18T17:17:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> it's pretty easy to convert markdown to gemtext
2021-02-18T17:17:32 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> there's md2gemini written by the same people as amfora
2021-02-18T17:17:45 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> and a gemini wiki would be good i think
2021-02-18T17:23:24 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> has anyone had trouble with firefox recently? mine keeps saying my tab crashed and asking me to restore pages
2021-02-18T17:23:45 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i've installed other version of it and its still there so
2021-02-18T17:24:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It says that randomly or whenever you open it ?
2021-02-18T17:24:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> on every tab
2021-02-18T17:24:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> weird, try making a new profile
2021-02-18T17:24:41 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> have done :/
2021-02-18T17:26:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> try `HOME=/tmp firefox` to start with a new profile and without any cache aswell
2021-02-18T17:26:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> if it doesn't work then idk
2021-02-18T17:26:54 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> hmm
2021-02-18T17:27:04 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> there's so many dependencies at runtime
2021-02-18T17:27:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what's your profile picture btw ?
2021-02-18T17:27:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> oh lmao
2021-02-18T17:27:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> hang on im on gomuks atm
2021-02-18T17:30:05 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> its a frog with a mushroom hat
2021-02-18T17:30:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> it said something else i can't remember
2021-02-18T17:31:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-18T17:32:10 #kisslinux <aarng> phoebos[m]1: I had that when I updated firefox deps without updating firefox itself
2021-02-18T17:33:24 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> aarng: sounds like what i've got
2021-02-18T17:34:54 #kisslinux <aarng> compiling firefox should fix it then
2021-02-18T17:35:18 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> aw
2021-02-18T17:35:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i don't want to :'(
2021-02-18T17:35:33 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ah well
2021-02-18T17:35:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Huh
2021-02-18T17:36:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> most libs are shared so shouldn't a rebuild not be needed ?
2021-02-18T17:36:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> it feels like something went wrong with a library so that's my best hope
2021-02-18T17:37:06 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> aarng: did that fix it for you
2021-02-18T17:37:16 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1: I use md2gemini for my gemini capsule, works really well
2021-02-18T17:37:20 #kisslinux <aarng> I'd assume one of the newer deps is not backwars compatible or something
2021-02-18T17:37:50 #kisslinux <aarng> as I said, I just finished the update which fixed it for me
2021-02-18T17:38:10 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: can i see?
2021-02-18T17:42:30 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1: gemini://armaanb.net is my main one
2021-02-18T17:42:45 #kisslinux <acheam> But i'm working on making gemini capsules for some of my software as well
2021-02-18T17:43:29 #kisslinux <acheam> what's the policy reviewing PRs on kiss-community?
2021-02-18T17:43:58 #kisslinux <acheam> Shouldn't anything bigger than a simple version bump be reviewed by at least one other person than the submitter?
2021-02-18T17:44:23 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: nice! some really nice posts there too
2021-02-18T17:44:45 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks, phoebos[m]1! My writing is... less than stellar though
2021-02-18T17:45:35 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: much better than mine lol
2021-02-18T17:45:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i sail too
2021-02-18T17:45:48 #kisslinux <acheam> ah nice, what do you sail?
2021-02-18T17:45:55 #kisslinux <acheam> do you have a link to your capsule/site?
2021-02-18T17:45:59 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> fireflys, team racing mostly
2021-02-18T17:46:04 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> at least before the pandemic
2021-02-18T17:46:05 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> u?
2021-02-18T17:47:25 #kisslinux <acheam> nice, team racing is so much fun! I race a hodgepoge of boats: Hobie 16, PHRF, and 420 mostly, sometimes Lasers also.
2021-02-18T17:47:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ooh i like 420s
2021-02-18T17:47:58 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> team racing is great
2021-02-18T17:48:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I'd rather sail the Hobie than the 420 :)
2021-02-18T17:48:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> match racing too i've only done it a few times though
2021-02-18T17:48:58 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> in dinghies its a little ridiculous
2021-02-18T17:49:33 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> of course
2021-02-18T17:49:40 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> it scares me a bit though
2021-02-18T17:49:59 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> also is there any default post-install hook to remove cache and build files
2021-02-18T17:50:22 #kisslinux <tracer> hi
2021-02-18T17:50:41 #kisslinux <tracer> did I miss something important the last two days?
2021-02-18T17:50:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I've match raced a few times in Sonars, which is already cutting it a little bit small. Dinghy's would be... interesting for sure
2021-02-18T17:50:59 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i mean its fine if theyre in `/tmp` but for stuff like llvm, firefox which are in `.cache/kiss` they build up
2021-02-18T17:51:05 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer: kiss-poll.armaanb.net
2021-02-18T17:52:20 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1: https://kiss.armaanb.net/package-manager#6.2
2021-02-18T17:52:30 #kisslinux <acheam> explains where to put the actions
2021-02-18T17:52:56 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> yeah but is that not a default thing
2021-02-18T17:52:57 #kisslinux <tracer> thx acheam
2021-02-18T17:53:10 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> just feels like it should be
2021-02-18T17:53:11 #kisslinux <tracer> I finnaly got a working browser :)
2021-02-18T17:53:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> tracer: nice! im compiling firefox atm
2021-02-18T17:53:39 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1: that'd be up to the discretion of the BDFN I suppose
2021-02-18T17:53:59 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> yeah
2021-02-18T17:54:08 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> just wanted to check i hadn't accidentally removed something
2021-02-18T17:54:34 #kisslinux <tracer> it just the code demo from QT, simplebrowser, but it can handle tabs and downloads. I will add search funtionality, than it will fit my needs. And, as it is Qt, I can use it on both Linux and macOS.
2021-02-18T17:56:46 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: how does bmake stack up to gnu make?
2021-02-18T18:08:03 #kisslinux <tracer> acheam: What is bmake? Again something new?
2021-02-18T18:08:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bsd make
2021-02-18T18:09:55 #kisslinux <tracer> ah, thx
2021-02-18T18:10:24 #kisslinux <tracer> Had to do enough with cmake and qmake the last two days :)
2021-02-18T18:12:21 #kisslinux <tracer> Just switched the irc client until I get multihead running for my VM.
2021-02-18T18:13:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you set up your desktop completely tracer ?
2021-02-18T18:13:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> with kde stuff
2021-02-18T18:14:32 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm still in the progress of doing so. It's just a VM, my everday stuff is still in macOS. And will probably stay.
2021-02-18T18:35:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> pretty useless but i registered the k1ss.duckdns.org subdomain and made it redirect to kiss.armaanb.net
2021-02-18T18:42:32 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> niice
2021-02-18T18:42:46 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> is it just me or does the irc link not work
2021-02-18T18:43:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> it appends to the current url rather than being a whole url
2021-02-18T18:43:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i don't know the technical words
2021-02-18T18:49:15 #kisslinux <acheam> it works for me
2021-02-18T18:49:30 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe your browser is just not setup to handle IRC URIs
2021-02-18T18:49:40 #kisslinux <acheam> nice testuser_[m]
2021-02-18T18:53:52 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: likely
2021-02-18T18:54:50 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> firefox has finally compiled
2021-02-18T18:56:52 #kisslinux <aarng> has it fixed your problem?
2021-02-18T18:58:57 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> turns out it hasn't
2021-02-18T18:58:58 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> :(
2021-02-18T18:59:16 #kisslinux <aarng> rip
2021-02-18T18:59:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> that's weird
2021-02-18T19:00:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> sad :(
2021-02-18T19:04:37 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> anyone any ideas?
2021-02-18T19:05:19 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> probably just wait until the next upstream update
2021-02-18T19:06:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I had that issue with chromium
2021-02-18T19:06:53 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> until?
2021-02-18T19:07:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> my solution was to uninstall libgcrypt, delete all my profile data and cache, and rebuild chromium
2021-02-18T19:07:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-02-18T19:07:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> 0 problems
2021-02-18T19:07:16 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> :{
2021-02-18T19:07:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> except now i can't watch twitch.tv or login to my email lmfaoooo
2021-02-18T19:07:51 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> might have to do that and rebuild all the dependencies
2021-02-18T19:08:05 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> not sure why it would work tho
2021-02-18T19:10:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> what happens if you like, run ldd on /usr/lib/firefox/firefox or w/e
2021-02-18T19:11:19 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> .so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x7f7bdc4bc000)
2021-02-18T19:11:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ```
2021-02-18T19:11:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> libc.so => /lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 (0x7f7bdc7b6000)
2021-02-18T19:11:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ```
2021-02-18T19:11:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> [201~ libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x7f7bdc4bc000)
2021-02-18T19:11:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ```
2021-02-18T19:11:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> libc.so => /lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 (0x7f7bdc7b6000)
2021-02-18T19:11:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ```
2021-02-18T19:11:27 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> oops sorry
2021-02-18T19:11:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh jeez i don't need to see XD
2021-02-18T19:11:33 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> looks fine though
2021-02-18T19:11:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip
2021-02-18T19:12:09 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i never understood why middle-click selection paste was good
2021-02-18T19:13:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's so useful
2021-02-18T19:15:34 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i always accidentally click
2021-02-18T19:15:44 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> or when im scrolling with a trackpoint it pastes
2021-02-18T19:27:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> trackpoints are poison
2021-02-18T19:30:46 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> oof
2021-02-18T19:36:52 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> is it safe to delete `~/.cache/mozilla/` ?
2021-02-18T19:41:24 #kisslinux <aarng> safest way is to `mv` it and find out
2021-02-18T19:45:33 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> quit
2021-02-18T19:59:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> bundling pciutils with chromium to drop the dep and I'm left fiddling with CFLAGS
2021-02-18T19:59:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> because I change the CFLAGS the whole build has to restart because ccache is dumb :'(
2021-02-18T23:33:28 #kisslinux <acheam> thoughts on this: git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/shit?
2021-02-18T23:47:15 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> interesting. seems neat.
2021-02-18T23:53:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I feel like this has been mentioned before
2021-02-18T23:53:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> how far has it come sense then i wonder...
2021-02-18T23:54:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> big fan of the license
2021-02-18T23:54:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> no recent commits. sad
2021-02-18T23:58:20 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yooo, i just realized: the entire state of the package system is stored in /var/db/kiss/installed. so if you put it in a git repo and add a hook to run every time you change something, you get nix-style versioned packaging for free
2021-02-18T23:59:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> :)