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2021-01-06T00:10:39 #kisslinux <micr0> does anyone run dbus-daemon --session "manually" or like, in service files or somewhere else? 2021-01-06T01:32:26 #kisslinux <micr0> ended up just throwing it in sway config 2021-01-06T01:42:54 #kisslinux <acheam> that works 2021-01-06T01:43:26 #kisslinux <acheam> although not where I would put something like that myself. I like to keep my WM/DE autostarts relevant to the graphical environment/WM 2021-01-06T03:55:32 #kisslinux <micr0> well its only for mako 2021-01-06T03:55:48 #kisslinux <micr0> and therefore only relevant when i use sway 2021-01-06T03:55:54 #kisslinux <micr0> but yeah, it feels like not the best place 2021-01-06T08:40:35 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Claudia02 re github issue, i think it's better that i manually merge PRs instead of maintainers sending PRs to both community repos, if that's what you meant 2021-01-06T11:54:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> hello 2021-01-06T12:17:34 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Hi 2021-01-06T14:06:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> testuser[m]_ : y thats what I was pointing at. Alright. 2021-01-06T14:21:12 #kisslinux <ectlunya> How does the new community repo work? Haven't been here in a while 2021-01-06T14:21:46 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> its just forked from the KISS repo and all new PRs are merged there 2021-01-06T14:22:38 #kisslinux <ectlunya> Automatically or do I need to make a new pull request? 2021-01-06T14:22:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you need to make a PR, ofc 2021-01-06T14:23:01 #kisslinux <ectlunya> A PR to both repos? 2021-01-06T14:23:15 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> no need to send it to kiss-community, ill merge it manually 2021-01-06T14:23:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh I see, sorry 2021-01-06T14:23:49 #kisslinux <ectlunya> Sounds good 2021-01-06T14:28:45 #kisslinux <ectlunya> Should we continue pushing to the official repos anyway? 2021-01-06T14:29:25 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> yeah, so dylan can merge them all once he is back 2021-01-06T14:29:25 #kisslinux <ectlunya> Not the first time dylan has gone AWOL and unsurprisingly BDFL wasn't a good idea for sustainability 2021-01-06T14:42:11 #kisslinux <konimex> now that you mentioned it, dylan definitely was absent, iirc same timeframe, but back in 2018-2019 2021-01-06T14:42:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> 2019-2020 you mean? 2021-01-06T14:43:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that was for a shorter timeframe, however. he had reappeared by the first week of january iirc 2021-01-06T14:43:21 #kisslinux <konimex> no, definitely 2018-2019, kiss wasn't around back then and I was helping with neofetch iirc 2021-01-06T14:44:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh. I thought you were referring to the time he took christmas vacation at the end of 2019. 2021-01-06T14:55:25 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> perhaps this is one big “social experiment” for Dylan.. to test sustainability. anyway, we should treat it as such. 2021-01-06T15:00:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I imagine Dylan is logged into this channel under a different nick, silently watching us react 2021-01-06T15:00:32 #kisslinux <konimex> my theory is he went to australia (assuming he still has family there) and got stuck there 2021-01-06T15:05:56 #kisslinux <ectlunya> whatever happened to him, it might be time to start shifting towards multiple lead maintainers at kiss-community to avoid these problems in the future 2021-01-06T15:10:54 #kisslinux <acheam> ectlunya: we're already doing that :) Its primarily lead by micr0, testuser[m]_, and I 2021-01-06T15:11:27 #kisslinux <sn00p> acheam how's that? 2021-01-06T15:13:56 #kisslinux <acheam> sn00p: I'm doing: kiss-ci/repo-bin, merging simple PRs, awesome-kiss, testuser[m]_ is doing a lot of the bigger PRs and updates which I can't do, micr0 is doing a combination of the above 2021-01-06T15:15:09 #kisslinux <micr0> o/ 2021-01-06T15:15:16 #kisslinux <konimex> I should look into the CI for wyverkiss, manual check is painful sometimes 2021-01-06T15:15:23 #kisslinux <sn00p> Oh that's interesting :) I have moved away from KISS to Gentoo for now due to unmet software requirements but I still take an interest in the project 2021-01-06T15:16:25 #kisslinux <micr0> sn00p happy to have package requests as opened issues 2021-01-06T15:16:42 #kisslinux <micr0> im seeing if i can get electron and electron-based native apps 2021-01-06T15:17:10 #kisslinux <konimex> does electron even work in musl-based systems? 2021-01-06T15:17:18 #kisslinux <acheam> the annoying thing about electron is that lots of programs require a very certain version, and will often package their own electron 2021-01-06T15:17:19 #kisslinux <micr0> konimex yes 2021-01-06T15:17:26 #kisslinux <micr0> with a lot of patches 2021-01-06T15:17:31 #kisslinux <konimex> I'd imagine it would take systemd-levels of patching 2021-01-06T15:17:41 #kisslinux <micr0> but those patches are reduced every so often 2021-01-06T15:18:04 #kisslinux <micr0> i want to try uivonim which is a ui for neovim that looks nice 2021-01-06T15:18:19 #kisslinux <acheam> honestly, i'd rather run electron apps in a flatpak to avoid a lot of this 2021-01-06T15:18:23 #kisslinux <sn00p> micr0 Unfortunately it's the JVM I need, however unless there's been progress since I last checked, it wasn't working on KISS 2021-01-06T15:18:30 #kisslinux <micr0> i need to learn about flatpak 2021-01-06T15:18:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I really like flatpak for dependency-heavy things 2021-01-06T15:18:53 #kisslinux <micr0> i will test it 2021-01-06T15:19:04 #kisslinux <micr0> also gonna make a 'big packages' issue 2021-01-06T15:20:34 #kisslinux <micr0> acheam is there a chromium flatpak? 2021-01-06T15:20:43 #kisslinux <micr0> sn00p JVM is really important 2021-01-06T15:21:20 #kisslinux <konimex> does audio work in flatpak without needing pulse? iirc dylan tried to work on that 2021-01-06T15:22:12 #kisslinux <sn00p> micr0 Yeah see I wouldn't mind too much however for uni my programming module means I need Java >=8 :( 2021-01-06T15:22:40 #kisslinux <acheam> micr0: yes, both ungoogled and normal 2021-01-06T15:23:51 #kisslinux <micr0> acheam i tried dylan's flatpak and it wont build because of icu libraries not found 2021-01-06T15:24:16 #kisslinux <acheam> micr0: hmmmm 2021-01-06T15:25:44 #kisslinux <micr0> looks like it wants the .67 icu but i have the .68 2021-01-06T15:26:27 #kisslinux <micr0> oh its appstream-glib that is erroring with that... 2021-01-06T15:34:21 #kisslinux <micr0> okay so it looks like appstream-glib requires icu 67. so the question is, do i symlink which feels hacky, or downgrade which seems weird 2021-01-06T15:34:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I would symlink 2021-01-06T15:35:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm never a fan of downgrading packages 2021-01-06T15:37:54 #kisslinux <micr0> lol im downgrading because its known state 2021-01-06T15:38:14 #kisslinux <micr0> symlink might cause subtle bugs - if they changed the abi we will never know if symbols do what they should 2021-01-06T15:38:31 #kisslinux <micr0> (also i looked at a few other distros and they don't symlink) 2021-01-06T15:40:28 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense 2021-01-06T15:41:13 #kisslinux <micr0> i mean it looks like icu67 and 68 can be installed (at least the .so files) side-by-side 2021-01-06T15:41:21 #kisslinux <micr0> but the headers, as is, we install to the same location 2021-01-06T15:42:56 #kisslinux <acheam> does anything take advantage of the features added in 68? 2021-01-06T15:44:20 #kisslinux <acheam> ie; could 67, 68 be installed in parallel, but only the 67 headers be installed 2021-01-06T15:44:20 #kisslinux <micr0> if the headers dont match the symbols, what does that mean? 2021-01-06T15:44:20 #kisslinux <micr0> yeah downgrading icu to 67 worked, now to figure out how to install chromium, electron, other software via flatpak 2021-01-06T15:48:47 #kisslinux <acheam> great! 2021-01-06T15:59:32 #kisslinux <micr0> running postman doesn't do anything, trying chromium next 2021-01-06T15:59:38 #kisslinux <micr0> chromium requires an updated flatpak 2021-01-06T16:00:02 #kisslinux <micr0> updated flatpak, now chromium will install 2021-01-06T16:00:46 #kisslinux <micr0> "Your Flatpak version does not support the expose-pids flag, which means that Chromium is unable to run" 2021-01-06T16:00:57 #kisslinux <micr0> flatpak seems like a bust on the first two apps I tried to run 2021-01-06T16:01:53 #kisslinux <micr0> which is weird because i have CONFIG_USER_NS enabled 2021-01-06T16:02:30 #kisslinux <testuser_> there's some PID namespace option too in the kernel, but you probably have that enabled too 2021-01-06T16:02:51 #kisslinux <micr0> CONFIG_PID_NS=y 2021-01-06T16:11:22 #kisslinux <micr0> yep, can't run org.chromium.Chromium or org.getpostman.Postman 2021-01-06T16:26:41 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i just use an artix chroot for this kinda stuff 2021-01-06T16:31:59 #kisslinux <micr0> I wonder if created dummy gimp/postman/chromium packages that use flatpak under the hood is a better user experience than having no package at all 2021-01-06T16:32:44 #kisslinux <micr0> ok so gimp is the only flatpak app that runs, once i used the beta flatpak because im on w a y l a n d 2021-01-06T16:34:53 #kisslinux <micr0> interesting github claims the kisslinux/repo was updated 5 days ago 2021-01-06T16:34:55 #kisslinux <micr0> https://github.com/search?o=desc&q=topic%3Akiss-repo&s=updated&type=Repositories 2021-01-06T16:37:58 #kisslinux <micr0> excited to merge git-bruh's updates once its marked 'not draft' 2021-01-06T16:38:37 #kisslinux <micr0> brb 2021-01-06T16:40:14 #kisslinux <testuser_> it gets "updated" (on the org) every time i push something to my fork, not sure why search shows it as 5 days ago 2021-01-06T17:14:18 #kisslinux <testuser_> micr0: GIMP is packaged in the kiss-garbage repo 2021-01-06T17:18:14 #kisslinux <danteissaias> is there an actual way to get st to properly respect hidpi outside of just making the font bigger 2021-01-06T17:18:25 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i want to try and have a single config for both laptop and pc 2021-01-06T17:24:13 #kisslinux <micr0> testuser[m]_ i'll add that to the GH issue 2021-01-06T17:24:54 #kisslinux <micr0> maybe also fork and make a gimp3 one in a new repo like repo-betas or something 2021-01-06T17:46:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> micr0 you played graal? i spent way too much time in that game 2021-01-06T17:47:15 #kisslinux <micr0> ominous_anonymou so i have terrible memory, but i definitely DO remember hacking around in graal 2021-01-06T17:47:26 #kisslinux <micr0> I just can't remember what age I was, server, etc 2021-01-06T17:47:36 #kisslinux <micr0> I do remember the graphics though and like, making a custom home 2021-01-06T17:47:40 #kisslinux <micr0> and showing that off to people 2021-01-06T17:48:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah the level editor was built in and had a scripting language you could use to make weapons/items do really neat things 2021-01-06T17:48:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and you could modify whatever graphics/tilesets you wanted. some of the servers let you submit your own swords and shields and such 2021-01-06T17:48:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i played on Elven Lands if that jogs a memory 2021-01-06T17:49:52 #kisslinux <micr0> maybe i can search around for likely handles 2021-01-06T17:49:56 #kisslinux <micr0> i dont even remember what name i used 2021-01-06T19:09:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan[m]> micr0: I got a package request should I just make an issue on github, or is sufficient to tell you here? 2021-01-06T19:09:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan[m]> Id like to have torbrowser, or rather torbrowser-launcher seems to be the default at alot of distros.I started looking through some of the communities repos, but Im yet to find some repo that already contain it. Someone might already have packaged it though, but not to my knowledge anyway. 2021-01-06T19:23:31 #kisslinux <micr0> sad_plan[m] definite make an issue since i am really forgetful and also dont use an irc bouncer so sometimes i wont see messages (though i do read scrollback) 2021-01-06T19:29:58 #kisslinux <micr0> if you dont like the web interface i can recommend the cli https://cli.github.com/ 2021-01-06T19:31:02 #kisslinux <micr0> gh issue create --title "torbrowser" --body "or torbrowser-launcher which seems to be the default at alot of distros" --label package 2021-01-06T20:51:22 #kisslinux <danteissaias> acheam: i fixed the checksums in repo-bin in a pr 2021-01-06T20:51:36 #kisslinux <acheam> danteissaias: Thank you! 2021-01-06T20:53:04 #kisslinux <acheam> danteissaias: merge 2021-01-06T20:53:10 #kisslinux <acheam> s/merge/merged 2021-01-06T20:53:31 #kisslinux <danteissaias> awesome 2021-01-06T21:21:20 #kisslinux <claudia02> I was looking the other day for an alternative solution to 'kiss-outdated'. I found out that at least for github related stuff one can use rss/atom feeds. https://www.unitedbsd.com/d/354-git 2021-01-06T21:28:04 #kisslinux <micr0> claudia02 i have setup neix (terminal rss reader) to follow all package releases i package on github 2021-01-06T21:29:02 #kisslinux <micr0> but i might migrate to sitch which makes better sense for this use case: https://github.com/smores56/sitch#sitch 2021-01-06T21:34:49 #kisslinux <claudia02> I stumbled across neix also on unitedbsd. Looks interesting. For a little longer I ran sfeed/ sfeed_curses. For sfeed_curses you can also setup to mark what you have already viewed. 2021-01-06T21:35:20 #kisslinux <claudia02> I use this for news, reddit and yt stuff. 2021-01-06T21:35:42 #kisslinux <claudia02> Sitch looks good dedicated for pkg update stuff. 2021-01-06T21:37:36 #kisslinux <claudia02> I packaged rdrview, a small firefox reader app to convert 'modern' html pages to render for terminal browser. 2021-01-06T21:54:56 #kisslinux <micr0> oh nice, will try that 2021-01-06T21:58:35 #kisslinux <claudia02> Oh, sitch is written in rust. It has just disqualified :D 2021-01-06T22:07:10 #kisslinux <micr0> RIIC 2021-01-06T22:07:15 #kisslinux <micr0> RIIB