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2020-12-14T00:04:04 #kisslinux <brainacid0> https://hastebin.com/vafebukica.properties
2020-12-14T00:04:22 #kisslinux <brainacid0> Its so amazing to see Linux install in less than 40 commands!
2020-12-14T09:58:34 #kisslinux <kciN> @dilyn thanks so much, acpi comforts are at my disposal once again! Might you also have any idea as to why my built-in mic or headphone mic are not working?
2020-12-14T13:23:22 #kisslinux <onodera> any news about dylan yet?
2020-12-14T13:26:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sweet work re: opencl @onodera!
2020-12-14T13:27:23 #kisslinux <onodera> thank ominous_anonymou! still debugging and fixing little things
2020-12-14T13:56:24 #kisslinux <acheam> onodera: didn't he disapear similarly back in the spring?
2020-12-14T13:59:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> his laptop broke in the spring which is why he was offline for a while
2020-12-14T14:05:02 #kisslinux <acheam> onodera: ah
2020-12-14T14:05:09 #kisslinux <acheam> whoops sorry meant to tag ominous_anonymou
2020-12-14T14:05:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> all good. I just checked git and reddit and he hasn't had any activity on either since last week of November. hopefully just an internet issue that'll be resolved
2020-12-14T14:06:26 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2020-12-14T14:08:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://k1ss.org/blog/20200426a
2020-12-14T14:33:46 #kisslinux <nerditup> I hope his cats are okay
2020-12-14T15:36:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> kciN: assuming those devices aren't being created at all by the kernel, it's fundamentally a driver issue; my best advice there will always be to boot up an arch live USB, run lsmod, plugin the device, rerun lsmod, and diff the results
2020-12-14T16:41:41 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Has anyone built kernel 5.10 yet? It fails for me, didn't have trouble with the 5.9 series.
2020-12-14T16:46:01 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Hm, maybe it's the scheduler (prjc) patch I use.
2020-12-14T16:49:08 #kisslinux <claudia02> soliwilos: linux 5.10 build fine here.
2020-12-14T16:50:38 #kisslinux <soliwilos> claudia02: Thanks, good to know it builds. It's probably the scheduler I add, which has a pretty fresh release for 5.10.
2020-12-14T16:52:50 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I see some kernel/sched errors in the log.
2020-12-14T17:13:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what's everyones thoughts on automatically moving to the newest kernel? do you always make the jump, or is there criteria for that jump (i.e. do you only update kernel if there's a new feature/option you want)?
2020-12-14T17:17:33 #kisslinux <micr0> i update patch releases randomly, but only if something isn't working correctly that i wanna check if it gets fixed. i update minor releases if there is a feature i want (like wireguard, as an example), or i am super bored and want to kill some time.
2020-12-14T17:17:43 #kisslinux <micr0> always have previous versions of the kernel at the ready in case things go south
2020-12-14T17:18:01 #kisslinux <nerditup> I'm building the new one now!
2020-12-14T17:24:45 #kisslinux <micr0> hey yall, since its been over two weeks since kisslinux/community has merged a PR, I'm probably gonna fork it to jedahan/community and merge all the outstanding PRs for now
2020-12-14T17:38:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yes wireguard was the one that got me to update
2020-12-14T17:38:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so feature-based for me
2020-12-14T17:49:10 #kisslinux <micr0> https://github.com/jedahan/community now has all the PRs merged into it
2020-12-14T17:49:47 #kisslinux <micr0> I would advise a minor amount of caution if you decide to add jedahan as a remote because y'all dont know who I am and I could pwn your box by pushing a bad update at any time
2020-12-14T17:49:56 #kisslinux <micr0> :)
2020-12-14T18:15:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Do you work for SolarWinds or something?
2020-12-14T18:15:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lol
2020-12-14T18:18:44 #kisslinux <micr0> heh
2020-12-14T18:30:32 #kisslinux <nerditup> it seems like busybox grep doesn't support quantifiers?
2020-12-14T18:32:15 #kisslinux <nerditup> am I missing something? `echo "testing" | grep -o '.{3}'` doesn't return anything
2020-12-14T18:33:01 #kisslinux <nerditup> `-E` -- my bad
2020-12-14T19:21:12 #kisslinux <nerditup> anybody know how I should run a command as root in a build script?
2020-12-14T19:21:46 #kisslinux <nerditup> it's unclear to me how the package manager chooses which commands are run as root vs. regular user (i.e. make vs. make install)
2020-12-14T19:22:39 #kisslinux <aarng> nothing is run as root, only the installation from the actual package requires root
2020-12-14T19:23:23 #kisslinux <aarng> why do you require root in a build script?
2020-12-14T19:27:45 #kisslinux <micr0> yeah its weird kiss will merge files as root even if not needed, and change file permissions :(
2020-12-14T19:27:52 #kisslinux <micr0> (at least with sls)
2020-12-14T19:31:53 #kisslinux <nerditup> I've made myself a kernel package and wanted to grab the UUID using blkid of my root disk on install
2020-12-14T19:32:05 #kisslinux <nerditup> since I need to update the cmdline parameters
2020-12-14T19:37:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> like the builtin kernel commandline? or in your bootloader
2020-12-14T19:38:39 #kisslinux <aarng> I guess it's about adding the kernel commandline to the bootloader
2020-12-14T19:38:46 #kisslinux <aarng> in which case he could also read it from /proc/cmdline
2020-12-14T19:40:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's a pre-build hook you might be able to utilize to get that info?
2020-12-14T19:40:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://k1ss.org/package-manager#6.1
2020-12-14T19:44:05 #kisslinux <nerditup> built-in kernel command line, my EFI doesn't support passing in cmdline arguments, so part of my kernel build process is to stuff the cmdline options in the kernel image
2020-12-14T19:44:08 #kisslinux <nerditup> EFI image*
2020-12-14T19:44:31 #kisslinux <nerditup> pre-build sounds like the correct place to put that
2020-12-14T19:44:57 #kisslinux <nerditup> it's a strange use case, I know
2020-12-14T19:45:07 #kisslinux <nerditup> but this is the hardware I've been dealt with :)
2020-12-14T20:25:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> > fatal error: 'X11/Xlib.h' file not found
2020-12-14T20:25:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> and here we have come to the critical breaking point of firefox without X
2020-12-14T20:25:53 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn I think I have x-less firefox working on my laptop
2020-12-14T20:26:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> w h a t
2020-12-14T20:26:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> wayland instead of x?
2020-12-14T20:26:13 #kisslinux <micr0> i mean ive been on sway exclusively for a while now
2020-12-14T20:26:16 #kisslinux <micr0> yeah
2020-12-14T20:26:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> gimme gimme
2020-12-14T20:26:36 #kisslinux <micr0> I use a modified version of the kiss-wayland/firefox build
2020-12-14T20:26:53 #kisslinux <micr0> but the only things i changed are adding dbus and pulse because I need to be able to videoconference on the web for work
2020-12-14T20:27:00 #kisslinux <micr0> so you should just be able to use the kiss-wayland one
2020-12-14T20:27:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> your laptop is just intel graphics or do you also have an nvidia card?
2020-12-14T20:27:41 #kisslinux <micr0> You can install the wayland repo with `kiss build repo-wayland && kiss install repo-wayland` and then reinstall firefox from that package
2020-12-14T20:27:52 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn only intel
2020-12-14T20:28:17 #kisslinux <micr0> dell xps 13 9380
2020-12-14T20:29:05 #kisslinux <micr0> I wouldnt be surprised if my firefox is linked against more X libraries than i'd like which got pulled in from other packages
2020-12-14T20:29:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> well yeah so my issue is currently that firefox really wants libglvnd which requires libX11+others
2020-12-14T20:29:50 #kisslinux <micr0> yeah if i do `kiss depends firefox` there are 15 packages that start with 'libx'
2020-12-14T20:29:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2020-12-14T20:30:21 #kisslinux <micr0> well some will never go away like whichever libx package has all the keycodes defined just because its a damn useful header
2020-12-14T20:31:21 #kisslinux <micr0> even sway links against libxcb lol
2020-12-14T20:32:08 #kisslinux <micr0> wlroots links against libX11
2020-12-14T20:32:13 #kisslinux <micr0> lol
2020-12-14T20:32:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have zero xlibs :P
2020-12-14T20:32:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> hikari ftw
2020-12-14T20:33:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's an ancient bug on firefox's bugtracker that patches firefox's GL search to not force xlib on wayland systems
2020-12-14T20:33:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it's marked as wontfix lmfaoooo eat a dick mozilla
2020-12-14T20:51:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> modern printers suck
2020-12-14T20:54:20 #kisslinux <nerditup> classic mozilla
2020-12-14T20:54:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> I like them more than printers twenty years ago
2020-12-14T20:54:31 #kisslinux <nerditup> everything sucks!
2020-12-14T20:54:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something suckless
2020-12-14T20:55:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i feel like there was a sweet spot in the mid 2000s where printers were better. may be nostalgia, but the cheapo inkjet i had then worked fantastic and never had any issues. my roommate had a laser printer, same thing
2020-12-14T20:58:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> getting my girlfriend's HP printer hooked up in Arch wasn't... terrible... but I just opted to use my phone instead. That's a genius development on the modern printer
2020-12-14T20:58:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> unfortunately their apps are basically spyware
2020-12-14T21:08:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> those apps are essentially print servers hosted by the printer manufacturer over the internet right?
2020-12-14T21:15:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> something like that...
2020-12-14T21:16:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> I honestly don't know how modern printers work; I'd imagine they are some sort of server on the network, and they additionally communicate with HPs servers to get an email address you could send the doc to instead of directly over the LAN
2020-12-14T21:16:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> or WAN**
2020-12-14T21:22:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep, essentially. it requires all data to flow through their servers
2020-12-14T21:22:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and you need to create an account to use it
2020-12-14T21:27:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'd prefer a setup more like https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/il86un/wifi_print_and_scan_server/
2020-12-14T21:29:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> the absolute mad lad
2020-12-14T21:30:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> if i tried to do that my gf would roll her eyes and criticize my continued attempts to simplify my tech stack by 'overcomplicating it'
2020-12-14T21:39:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i've isolated my printer so it only has LAN access and only a specific subnet, but i can VPN in to my home network and print to it
2020-12-14T21:42:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> newer Android phones have CUPS capabilities so i don't need an OEM app at all (for this printer at least)
2020-12-14T21:53:30 #kisslinux <kjjjnob> Hello :)
2020-12-14T21:59:00 #kisslinux <kjjjnob> I am interested in installing and testing K1SS because of the simplicity and minimalism around the project. My only fear is to feel somewhat lost when perhaps having to solve some problem where I have to apply extensive programming knowledge. See the case of including a personal package for example. I come from Gentoo and although I have been in Linux for a few (6) years I am very interested in projects and ideas like kiss
2020-12-14T22:00:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can check the kiss-repo tag on github to see how users handle personal repositories
2020-12-14T22:00:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> in general very little programming knowledge is needed, just a moderate understanding of build systems (and even then usually just autotools)
2020-12-14T22:05:54 #kisslinux <kjjjnob> dilyn: Thanks for the advice. I've been checking something these days. Although some logic of the programming I have as a hobby it still costs me and my question was if this would prevent me from starting with kiss
2020-12-14T22:09:31 #kisslinux <nerditup> kjjjnob: I think most packages you might want in a minimal install should be available, so no need to develop your own packages to start
2020-12-14T22:10:40 #kisslinux <nerditup> As you gain comfort in how the kiss package manager works and how others have setup their system, you get the experience needed to customise or build your own
2020-12-14T22:14:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> the most programming I've ever had to do is so minimal I'd hesitate to call it programming. The simplest cases have been adding missing #includes or #ifdefs, the most complicated is dilyn-corner/KISS-kde/extra/polkit
2020-12-14T22:19:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> most other 'programming' requirements are covered pretty handily in the wiki, so I think you'll be fine with just a basic understanding of most linux things; coming from gentoo you've probably got the right skillset at least to start
2020-12-14T22:24:54 #kisslinux <kjjjnob> Thanks guys. I will take a look. Maybe I'm creating and fabulating problems where there are none before I know what it's all about
2020-12-14T22:24:55 #kisslinux <nerditup> Agree with dilyn
2020-12-14T22:25:08 #kisslinux <nerditup> Give it a try, you got this kjjjnob