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2020-11-20T03:57:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> micr0 I'm not entirely sure. I don't really use emacs so...
2020-11-20T03:57:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> Honestly, I like the idea of emacs, but not really the execution
2020-11-20T03:58:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's too much extra crud
2020-11-20T05:18:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-11-20T05:20:08 #kisslinux <micr0> o/
2020-11-20T05:44:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://u.teknik.io/CDtab.png
2020-11-20T05:44:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is pretty cool
2020-11-20T05:49:15 #kisslinux <konimex> dependency trees?
2020-11-20T05:54:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> DAG of the repositories
2020-11-20T05:54:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (I didn't make it, was sent to me)
2020-11-20T05:55:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not sure when it was created either
2020-11-20T05:59:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> uuuh, wow
2020-11-20T05:59:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's quite the image
2020-11-20T05:59:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> 22745x1787
2020-11-20T07:11:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Man, the more I use KISS, the more I realize how much unneeded crap is included in other distros
2020-11-20T07:11:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's kind of crazy.
2020-11-20T07:16:31 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> True
2020-11-20T07:22:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> Like, when I was on CRUX, it was almost 400 packages to get my usual setup going
2020-11-20T07:22:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> on KISS, it's 168
2020-11-20T07:27:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is something I've struggled to convey on the website about KISS
2020-11-20T07:27:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Benefits being less moving parts and less software
2020-11-20T07:28:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which I believe leads to less bugs and less chance for things to go awry
2020-11-20T07:28:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah. That's one of the main things that got me interested in KISS
2020-11-20T07:29:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> That and how easy it is to tinker and experiment with new software, versus other distros
2020-11-20T07:29:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> (well, beyond doing caveman installs with random git pulls... but that tends to get really messy really fast)
2020-11-20T07:29:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-11-20T07:30:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was a pretty huge issue for me back when I used Slackware, haha
2020-11-20T07:31:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, ignoring that slackware comes with everything under the sun by default anyways
2020-11-20T07:31:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> (seriously, they package stuff like gkrellm in the base install... does anyone even use it any more?)
2020-11-20T12:08:16 #kisslinux <onodera_> another rust update, another day of compiling
2020-11-20T12:10:18 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> we need firefox-bin back
2020-11-20T12:14:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> god, rust is the worst
2020-11-20T12:14:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> I only need it for a single library (librsvg) and having to wait like an entire day for it to compile is just stupid
2020-11-20T12:16:04 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i’ve been contemplating the purchase of a dedicated build machine / VM for binaries.  still researching the providers though for the most economic solution.
2020-11-20T12:16:11 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Would be nice if firefox didn't depend on rust. *sigh*
2020-11-20T12:16:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, really, it's firefox, chrom*, or some webkit junk
2020-11-20T12:16:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> all of them have major issues, which sucks :/
2020-11-20T12:17:35 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Am pretty much stuck with firefox and it's rust beast.
2020-11-20T12:17:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> would be nice if there was something like dillo with a simple JS interpreter (Netsurf's is just... no. It doesn't work.)
2020-11-20T12:37:16 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Came across a firefox language "cake" (chart): https://4e6.github.io/firefox-lang-stats/
2020-11-20T12:38:07 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Apparently 9.7% rust, or about 3 million loc.
2020-11-20T14:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> Minor bit of trivia some of you might be interested in... turns out that the Nuegia Browser (fork of Pale Meme stripped of proprietary squiggles) started in a Neocities community
2020-11-20T14:51:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://digdeeper.neocities.org/
2020-11-20T16:43:16 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> dilyn i made an iso file bootable with kiss kde
2020-11-20T16:43:47 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> but i need to tweak some things, in order to make it works properly
2020-11-20T16:43:53 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> https://0x0.st/i5nx.jpg
2020-11-20T16:47:43 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> if you want to test it there is in the kde branch
2020-11-20T16:47:44 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> https://github.com/eudaldgr/kiss-live/tree/kde
2020-11-20T16:48:24 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> It's about 256M
2020-11-20T16:59:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> wicked cool!
2020-11-20T16:59:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> How would I go about testing it? On some system I'm currently using, just ./kiss-live --kde ?
2020-11-20T16:59:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then it generates some ISO file I can dd to a flash drive?
2020-11-20T17:03:00 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> yes
2020-11-20T17:03:42 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> i run several times and run like this 'sls kiss-live -d -k -s sources'
2020-11-20T17:04:05 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> this way the sources dir save the downloaded sources
2020-11-20T17:04:18 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> or type the sources of your current user
2020-11-20T17:05:10 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> if you see something i missed, i'm not familiarized with KDE
2020-11-20T17:09:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> these grub and syslinux dependencies xD it's so gross!
2020-11-20T17:09:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll test it and let you know how it goes :)
2020-11-20T17:09:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> thank you so much for this! I've been meaning to get around to it
2020-11-20T17:25:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> in the kiss-live script the for loop on line 181, you should just be able to 'kiss b plasma-desktop' - otherwise it seems like it would end up building the same package multiple times (for instance xorg-server pulls in mesa and llvm already, but if they're in $kde_pkgs you'll build them a second time)
2020-11-20T17:52:48 #kisslinux <nerditup> dilyn: nice work on the storage wiki updates
2020-11-20T18:08:31 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> yeah nice wiki stuff dilyn
2020-11-20T18:09:06 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> dilyn that's why the loop does kiss i || kiss b && kiss i
2020-11-20T18:09:17 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> if it's builded, only installs
2020-11-20T18:09:48 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> i know it's not the best script written ever, but at least works for me '=D
2020-11-20T18:11:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> if it works!
2020-11-20T18:11:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> thanks guys <3 good docs are important
2020-11-20T18:12:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe one day we'll get to the point where we can just link the wiki when people ask questions lmao
2020-11-20T18:12:19 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> And i thinked it with a minimal pkg set, around 20 pkg maximum, and not this kind of cross dependencies, i need to improve it for a thing like kiss-kde
2020-11-20T20:46:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> us
2020-11-20T20:46:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> oops
2020-11-20T20:51:03 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Was going to try sbase and ubase, but ubase (community repo) fails to install with a manifest error for a file. Can someone try it?
2020-11-20T21:07:07 #kisslinux <micr0> can anyone build emacs on kiss? I get this segfault during build and want to see if its my machine or something else
2020-11-20T21:09:24 #kisslinux <miskatonic> during which part of the compilation does the segfault happen? is a dumped core available with debug info?
2020-11-20T21:20:37 #kisslinux <micr0> miskatonic pasting now
2020-11-20T21:22:16 #kisslinux <micr0> miskatonic http://ix.io/2ERX
2020-11-20T21:26:09 #kisslinux <miskatonic> there are sometimes experienced emacs developers on #emacs . I may only guess blindly what is going on there.
2020-11-20T21:29:25 #kisslinux <miskatonic> i have not yet compiled emacs with musl, either. A few years ago, a special patch was necessary to compile emacs with musl
2020-11-20T21:31:45 #kisslinux <miskatonic> the redefinition of little/bigendianness is weird. It may have to do with a misrecognized architecture
2020-11-20T22:23:01 #kisslinux <micr0> okay, so uninstalling libexecinfo, then it built
2020-11-20T22:23:03 #kisslinux <micr0> *_*_*_8
2020-11-20T22:27:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> libexecinfo has only ever caused problems, it seems
2020-11-20T22:28:20 #kisslinux <miskatonic> ahhh, it is clearly a design mistake in the emacs
2020-11-20T22:28:41 #kisslinux <micr0> well, i have libexecinfo because of pulseaudio lol
2020-11-20T22:29:19 #kisslinux <miskatonic> pulseaudio comes from the same corner as systemd, so totally not K.I.S.S
2020-11-20T22:32:19 #kisslinux <micr0> i mean, emacs is mostly not kiss as well
2020-11-20T22:44:31 #kisslinux <micr0> thanks for the help
2020-11-20T22:44:48 #kisslinux <miskatonic> emacs is one of the few editors which allow for asynchroneous interaction
2020-11-20T22:45:43 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> anyone here mind taking a glance at this Makefile?  i am trying to wrap my head around how to make a portable one “correctly” =S. https://clbin.com/DvlhF
2020-11-20T22:48:13 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> specifically, i don’t know if am defining the LDFLAGS well.
2020-11-20T22:49:58 #kisslinux <mcf> mcpcpc[m]: i'd use variables BINDIR=$(PREFIX)/bin MANDIR=$(PREFIX)/share/man. BSDs typically want to override MANDIR
2020-11-20T22:51:54 #kisslinux <mcf> -lxcb -lxcb-keysyms should probably go in LDLIBS
2020-11-20T22:52:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> or in LDFLAGS_REQUIRED
2020-11-20T22:52:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and then $(CC) foo $(LDFLAGS_REQUIRED) $(LDFLAGS)
2020-11-20T22:53:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> where LDFLAGS_REQUIRED is a custom variable so you dont mess with user's LDFLAGS
2020-11-20T22:54:28 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> mcf: makes sense. thnx.
2020-11-20T22:55:41 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sh4rm4^bnc: doh. yup. just got rid of a custom variable for that.  thnx
2020-11-20T23:39:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> welp. looks better now. https://clbin.com/tkv6X
2020-11-20T23:41:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i will say... trying Arch for the first time in a VM. i really prefer the the KISS packaging scheme.
2020-11-20T23:42:47 #kisslinux <miskatonic> arch uses systemd... ouch. of course, pacman does not depend on systemd