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2020-10-30T00:46:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hey mcpcpc[m] just a heads up when privmsgs someone at least for me it only sends the first word.
2020-10-30T00:47:11 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: what is your syntax?
2020-10-30T00:48:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> ./privmsg <name> <message>
2020-10-30T00:50:46 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ah. that’s why. your irc syntax is wrong. try `/privmsg mcpcpc :hello world!` or simply the aliased command, `@mcpcpc hello world!`
2020-10-30T00:51:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah my bad thank you
2020-10-30T00:51:30 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> no worries
2020-10-30T01:42:19 #kisslinux <nerditup> Might be the wrong crowd for this one, but I've always been curious if there's a way to develop for Android without an IDE. Has anyone done any Android development on kiss (or some other minimal environment)?
2020-10-30T01:43:33 #kisslinux <nerditup> I have a strong distaste for most mobile apps and am looking to help there but I hate Android Studio with a passion
2020-10-30T01:49:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have in the past you can definitely do without an ide I used to use vim on arch
2020-10-30T01:49:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> But lack of good java support on kiss could be difficult unless you wanted to use an chroot with glibc
2020-10-30T01:57:35 #kisslinux <nerditup> Awesome, good to know
2020-10-30T01:57:52 #kisslinux <nerditup> I wasn't sure about the build process, time to read up on that
2020-10-30T02:00:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> emacs is another option if you want closer to an ide
2020-10-30T02:00:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> I used to be anti emacs but both are very good. Though I personally prefer vim now
2020-10-30T02:01:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think you can get java as a binary on kiss though
2020-10-30T02:20:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> I know that aosp basically just uses ninja for the build system so I don't see a technical reason for needing anything more than a text editor
2020-10-30T03:23:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> mcpcpc: afaik there's no security concern from localtime unless kirc is threaded which iirc it's not?
2020-10-30T03:43:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> Anyone know any good sites to get drm free ebooks?
2020-10-30T03:49:59 #kisslinux <dilynm> Something other than project gutenberg?
2020-10-30T03:58:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> This looks very cool and I will use this too. I don't mind paid books though just drm free.
2020-10-30T04:10:03 #kisslinux <dilynm> Leanpub is a great place for all sorts of stuff
2020-10-30T04:10:21 #kisslinux <dilynm> I got some good R and Data Science books. That I have yet to read. Smh.
2020-10-30T04:13:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Might look into that
2020-10-30T04:13:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I also just found lulu which looks nice too
2020-10-30T04:15:07 #kisslinux <dilynm> Seems similar! Nice
2020-10-30T04:15:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> I wish I cared about my kindle more xD I'd read ebooks all the time
2020-10-30T04:23:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Bleck
2020-10-30T04:23:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really dislike amazon lol
2020-10-30T04:24:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> In fact im deleting my account in a couple days now most likely after I get some of my movies on there on dvd instead.
2020-10-30T04:24:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> It is nice hardware though I used to have one
2020-10-30T04:27:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah I put aosp on it right after I got it
2020-10-30T04:28:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nice
2020-10-30T04:29:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Im very interested in this https://github.com/joeycastillo/The-Open-Book
2020-10-30T04:36:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> I love how book consumption is still a technical problem we have to resolve
2020-10-30T04:36:40 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's literally one of the oldest mediums on the planet and we're still bad at distributing and manufacturing them xD
2020-10-30T04:45:55 #kisslinux <dilynm> Btw muevoid: krita is halfway done building so we'll know when I wake up if it works (:
2020-10-30T04:46:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> But for now, gngn o/
2020-10-30T05:38:24 #kisslinux <himmalerin> quit
2020-10-30T05:38:27 #kisslinux <himmalerin> oops
2020-10-30T05:38:31 #kisslinux <himmalerin> wrong slash :p
2020-10-30T06:07:58 #kisslinux <uhrenmacher> :q!
2020-10-30T06:08:00 #kisslinux <uhrenmacher> q
2020-10-30T06:08:03 #kisslinux <uhrenmacher> q
2020-10-30T08:59:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-10-30T10:13:13 #kisslinux <konimex> dylan: since you're going ahead with C implementation, does this mean kiss in sh is abandoned?
2020-10-30T10:13:58 #kisslinux <konimex> s/is abandoned/would be abandoned/
2020-10-30T10:47:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: No
2020-10-30T10:48:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd like to keep compatibility between the two
2020-10-30T12:12:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> muevoid: https://imgur.com/nb8481Z
2020-10-30T16:21:17 #kisslinux <kqz> bubblewrap seems to work pretty well as a neat rootless alternative to chroots
2020-10-30T17:39:00 #kisslinux <soliwilos> mcpcpc[m]: Could you help again with another test? :P
2020-10-30T17:59:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I can, soliwilos
2020-10-30T18:02:06 #kisslinux <soliwilos> kiedtl: Awesome, you just did, thank you. Was testing kirc notification. :)
2020-10-30T20:51:22 #kisslinux <himmalerin> mcpcpc[m]: Updated kirc and can't reproduce the bug anymore, thanks for the fix!
2020-10-30T20:51:33 #kisslinux <micr0> minor announcement: i've split out all the container based stuff from my personal repository so people can choose what they want. podman, podman-compose, runc/crun and all their deps are now in http://github.com/jedahan/kiss-containers
2020-10-30T20:52:44 #kisslinux <micr0> and as a minor milestone - I was able to launch a relatively simple docker-compose file (with 3 containers) using podman-compose, completely rootless and daemonless
2020-10-30T20:52:50 #kisslinux <micr0> more testers are appreciated
2020-10-30T20:53:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> nice!
2020-10-30T20:58:53 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <himmalerin "mcpcpc: Updated kirc and can't r"> soliwilos: np!
2020-10-30T20:59:47 #kisslinux <soliwilos> mcpcpc[m]: I just got a notification, and it included your nick. :P
2020-10-30T21:00:07 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sweet. glad that is working too :)
2020-10-30T21:00:32 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Indeed.
2020-10-30T21:01:14 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> will update the support docs too with the latest version of the script you proposed.
2020-10-30T21:04:33 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I may tinker with it some more, see if it can be improved.
2020-10-30T21:04:51 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> soliwilos: ok
2020-10-30T21:05:13 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It's definitely working as is, though.
2020-10-30T21:20:01 #kisslinux <micr0> womp womp, looks like kiss-find db is down?
2020-10-30T21:20:06 #kisslinux <micr0> or the client is pointed to the wrong place?
2020-10-30T21:34:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> vlc has so many configure options :sigh:
2020-10-30T21:35:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> many of them are auto-detect but that just makes submitting it to community all the worse because like, what are the baseline assumptions to make with such a package
2020-10-30T21:35:29 #kisslinux <micr0> im sure this is how USE flags came about in gentoo
2020-10-30T21:35:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2020-10-30T21:36:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> that seems like too robust of a framework for this xD
2020-10-30T21:36:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean there's definitely a way, you'd just use kiss l foo to set a variable to yes instead of no
2020-10-30T21:36:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> but there's like, a hundred options! the alpine apkbuild is massive xD
2020-10-30T21:38:11 #kisslinux <micr0> has anyone packaged libsecret? i feel like i lost my crutch without kiss-find
2020-10-30T21:38:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> is libsecret != secret?
2020-10-30T21:39:15 #kisslinux <micr0> yeah i think secret is something else
2020-10-30T21:39:22 #kisslinux <micr0> kinda sucks not have descriptions for packages
2020-10-30T21:39:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> xD
2020-10-30T21:39:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> i usually just cat the sources file to see
2020-10-30T21:40:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> a description line in a file would be nice to be sure
2020-10-30T21:40:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew wouldn't libsecret depend on dbus?
2020-10-30T21:40:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> guess not!
2020-10-30T21:44:57 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn: i thought it does?
2020-10-30T21:45:13 #kisslinux <micr0> though im porting the arch pkgbuild, maybe i should just read the official docs
2020-10-30T21:46:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> alpine doesn't seem to say it?
2020-10-30T21:46:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> i expected it to because gnome + secret management
2020-10-30T21:47:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> the checkdeps on alpine are py-dbus and dbus-x11, but i have no idea what a checkdep entails
2020-10-30T21:47:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> *dbus* isn't listed otherwise
2020-10-30T21:47:40 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn can you share the alpine build script? or even better, fix jedahan/kiss-steal to grab it correctly
2020-10-30T21:47:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/libsecret/APKBUILD
2020-10-30T21:48:14 #kisslinux <micr0> oh nvm, my script grabs it correctly
2020-10-30T21:50:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> why do you need libsecret!
2020-10-30T21:50:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> building gnome? :P
2020-10-30T21:51:16 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn it seems docbook-xsl wont build for me, can you confirm?
2020-10-30T21:51:25 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn protonmail-bridge requires it
2020-10-30T21:51:38 #kisslinux <micr0> its a medium yak-shave
2020-10-30T21:51:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> ooooooo
2020-10-30T21:51:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you using my docboo-xsl build script?
2020-10-30T21:51:53 #kisslinux <micr0> i wanted to setup aerc so i can contact admicos/ecmelberk about kiss-find
2020-10-30T21:52:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's cute
2020-10-30T21:52:31 #kisslinux <micr0> i just added docbook-xsl to my depends and saw that it was from your kde repo
2020-10-30T21:52:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've never had issues building it
2020-10-30T21:52:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> using it, on the other hand... no idea if it works
2020-10-30T21:53:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> latest kde-kiss branch drops it (:
2020-10-30T21:53:33 #kisslinux <micr0> so i should fork it, got it
2020-10-30T21:53:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's going away this weekend
2020-10-30T21:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, wait-
2020-10-30T21:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> docbook-xsl was packaged?
2020-10-30T21:54:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> it lives here
2020-10-30T21:54:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-kde/blob/master/extra/docbook-xsl/build
2020-10-30T21:54:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> Gonna steal that...
2020-10-30T21:54:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> Been using my own build script, but it's kinda crap
2020-10-30T21:55:04 #kisslinux <micr0> midfavila does that build for you? it doesn't for me
2020-10-30T21:55:16 #kisslinux <micr0> and if you have your own build script i would rather have you package it regularly
2020-10-30T21:55:38 #kisslinux <micr0> oh wow, docbook-xsl was renamed
2020-10-30T21:55:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> Honestly, I don't know if it would be best to rely on my scripts... I don't update them regularly
2020-10-30T21:55:47 #kisslinux <micr0> that could be the issue
2020-10-30T21:55:55 #kisslinux <micr0> i dont care how out of date it is tbh
2020-10-30T21:56:09 #kisslinux <micr0> i just want to get a working version of protonmail-bridge
2020-10-30T21:58:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> While we're on the topic of packaged software... has anyone put together libXpm, libXaw, and xdm?
2020-10-30T21:58:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm finding that I end up duplicating effort and that's always annoying.
2020-10-30T22:01:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think so...
2020-10-30T22:02:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm. Alright, I'll have to do that then
2020-10-30T22:02:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> docbook(-xml) has recently been rewritten with the 5.0 release so I wouldn't use that; and I wouldn't trust any later versions of xsl than KISS-kde is using
2020-10-30T22:02:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm probably one of the few people who still uses XDM, haha
2020-10-30T22:03:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've never understood the point of download managers
2020-10-30T22:03:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, I meant the display manager.
2020-10-30T22:03:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> oooohhhh
2020-10-30T22:04:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> Should have probably specified, my bad
2020-10-30T22:04:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, if you have a parallel downloader, they can be useful for large files
2020-10-30T22:04:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> like aria2c for example
2020-10-30T22:04:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I wish that there was a program like plumber for linux...
2020-10-30T22:05:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> being able to just click a link and have its URI be piped to a program based on MIME data or whatever would be so awesome
2020-10-30T22:21:01 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn i had to change the first install line in your build script to a simple mkdir -p
2020-10-30T22:29:31 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn whats the equivalent of qt5-base in kiss?
2020-10-30T22:29:39 #kisslinux <micr0> should it just be, like, qt5-wayland?
2020-10-30T22:30:39 #kisslinux <micr0> hmm maybe my `install` command is fucked?
2020-10-30T22:31:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt5 is qt5-base
2020-10-30T22:31:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> install -dm755 merely creates the directory so i assume it's the equivalent to mkdir -p
2020-10-30T22:32:06 #kisslinux <micr0> i think that depends if you are using busybox install or not?
2020-10-30T22:32:26 #kisslinux <micr0> there is also coreutils...
2020-10-30T22:32:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Woot, XDM and associated libs have been packaged.
2020-10-30T22:32:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> I really need to update my Git repo...
2020-10-30T22:32:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> coreutils install -d behaves the same
2020-10-30T22:33:13 #kisslinux <micr0> so im a bit worried then that my install command is messed up in some other way
2020-10-30T22:33:38 #kisslinux <micr0> because i cannot install dejavu-ttf now
2020-10-30T22:33:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean it very well not be doing the right thing i wouldn't be surprised
2020-10-30T22:34:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmmm
2020-10-30T22:34:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> then yes maybe lmao
2020-10-30T22:37:12 #kisslinux <micr0> as a sanity check, can you kiss b dejavu-ttf?
2020-10-30T22:37:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> niet
2020-10-30T22:37:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> "Is a directory" f
2020-10-30T22:37:49 #kisslinux <micr0> yea!
2020-10-30T22:37:50 #kisslinux <micr0> same issue
2020-10-30T22:38:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's a problem with dejavu
2020-10-30T22:38:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> can you build iosevka-nerd-fonts?
2020-10-30T22:39:14 #kisslinux <micr0> as an aside, i really dont like the 'only maintainers can open PRs against their own repo' contribution model of kiss
2020-10-30T22:39:19 #kisslinux <micr0> s/repo/package
2020-10-30T22:39:39 #kisslinux <micr0> just means more steps between fixing stuff and those being shared with others
2020-10-30T22:39:55 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn yeah iosevka-nerd-fonts builds fine for me
2020-10-30T22:40:11 #kisslinux <micr0> i was able to fix dejavu fonts by switching to '-t' stye
2020-10-30T22:40:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> because of the way kiss-maintainers works i think that's why we have that req
2020-10-30T22:40:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> it works if i make dejavu-ttf copy iosevka's build script
2020-10-30T22:40:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> t would also work
2020-10-30T22:41:29 #kisslinux <micr0> i just forked it to my own repo
2020-10-30T22:42:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> this only affirms my belief that fonts are the most difficult aspect of any operating system
2020-10-30T22:42:41 #kisslinux <micr0> im beginning to think its manpage generation tbh
2020-10-30T22:43:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw html is the default configure option for so many package's manpages :|
2020-10-30T22:43:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> manpages are always annoying
2020-10-30T22:43:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially for libraries
2020-10-30T22:43:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, if you're developing for that library, obviously the manpages are great
2020-10-30T22:44:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but 99% of people just need it to run some program. and over time all that cruft builds up
2020-10-30T22:44:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> not building docs for kde saved 20mb on the tarball size. which is v scary to think about all that wasted space
2020-10-30T22:44:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod*
2020-10-30T22:44:29 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn is there a way to make gstreamer an optional dep of qt5-multimedia?
2020-10-30T22:44:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> techncially, yes
2020-10-30T22:44:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> pass no-streamer or w/e to qmake
2020-10-30T22:45:12 #kisslinux <micr0> mosty because gstreamer wont build for me because its looking for giscanner._giscanner which i guess is some gobject-introspection-python mess
2020-10-30T22:45:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> ??? woweee that seems wrong
2020-10-30T22:46:43 #kisslinux <micr0> if you kiss b gstreamer, does it show "build-time dependency gobject-introspection-1.0 found: YES" or "NO" ?
2020-10-30T22:46:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm not sure what qt5-multimedia does if you disable gstreamer tho
2020-10-30T22:47:07 #kisslinux <micr0> also feel free to not yak-shave my issues
2020-10-30T22:48:14 #kisslinux <micr0> ahhh it might be because i am using eudaldgr gstreamer, womp womp
2020-10-30T22:48:20 #kisslinux <micr0> KISS_PATH strikes again
2020-10-30T22:49:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it includes introspection xD
2020-10-30T22:49:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2020-10-30T22:51:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> So just out of curiosity, what kind of GUIs do you guys use? I know KDE was being discussed earlier, and I imagine stuff like i3 and DWM would be a popular choice given KISS' philosophy
2020-10-30T22:51:54 #kisslinux <Fulton> DWM all the way
2020-10-30T22:52:05 #kisslinux <micr0> sway because im too lazy to rice these days
2020-10-30T22:52:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> i use sowm and hikari
2020-10-30T22:52:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm an FVWM afficianado myself
2020-10-30T22:52:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh baby
2020-10-30T22:52:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> old school
2020-10-30T22:53:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah. I'm a big fan of tinkering on it
2020-10-30T22:53:06 #kisslinux <micr0> wow yeah
2020-10-30T22:53:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> Gives me an excuse to learn programming too
2020-10-30T22:53:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it also means I'll probably be stuck on X for the next billion years but meh
2020-10-30T22:53:37 #kisslinux <micr0> okay so i deprioritized eudaldgr/libs in path
2020-10-30T22:54:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could always attempt to implement a wayland analogue xD
2020-10-30T22:54:28 #kisslinux <micr0> qt5 is compiling, hopefully it doesnt take hours
2020-10-30T22:54:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus christ no
2020-10-30T22:54:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> or use mcf's compsoitor...
2020-10-30T22:54:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt5 should take <40m to build
2020-10-30T22:54:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> the most complex program I've ever written was a crappy portscanner
2020-10-30T22:55:11 #kisslinux <micr0> sweet, so then i will build qt5-multimedia, and hopefully protonmail bridge will 'just work'
2020-10-30T22:55:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> Just Werk:tm:
2020-10-30T22:55:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should make a sticker of that.
2020-10-30T22:55:29 #kisslinux <micr0> then to get aerc to use it
2020-10-30T22:55:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> i need that
2020-10-30T22:56:44 #kisslinux <micr0> https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/by-others/funroll-loops/Gentoo-is-Rice.html
2020-10-30T22:56:47 #kisslinux <micr0> classic
2020-10-30T22:57:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> unroll my loops
2020-10-30T22:57:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have a buddy who swears by Gentoo
2020-10-30T22:57:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> He's also a /g/ lurker, so it's only to be expected
2020-10-30T22:59:05 #kisslinux <micr0> my path was: AIX(a friend gave me a box and i did NOTHING on it) -> knoppix -> gentoo -> arch (short stint) -> gentoo -> exherbo -> OS X -> debian -> kiss
2020-10-30T22:59:32 #kisslinux <micr0> oh i tried ubuntu for a while in there, somwhere around exherbo and debian
2020-10-30T22:59:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I went from... Lubuntu, to Arch, to Slackware, to CRUX, to KISS
2020-10-30T23:00:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> I still feel the ocassional urge to switch back to CRUX tbh
2020-10-30T23:00:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> at least its got a kernel, huh?
2020-10-30T23:00:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> windows 95 -> ME -> Ubuntu -> Vista -> 7 -> Arch -> 8 -> OS X -> Arch -> KISS
2020-10-30T23:00:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> the kernel isn't even the part that gets me, haha
2020-10-30T23:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> the part that I love about KISS is also the part that can lead me to tear my hair out
2020-10-30T23:00:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> that being that you pretty much have to package everything yourself
2020-10-30T23:01:13 #kisslinux <micr0> ohh, i left out all the windows' heh
2020-10-30T23:01:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh? the community repo looks quite well populated
2020-10-30T23:01:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> once you get you're stuff youre done tho!
2020-10-30T23:01:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, that's the thinng
2020-10-30T23:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> thing*
2020-10-30T23:01:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> the initial setup is as high as you want it to be
2020-10-30T23:01:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've been busy with college as of late so I haven't had the time to get all my stuff packaged
2020-10-30T23:01:41 #kisslinux <micr0> there are so many things not packaged for kiss, but packaging is more straightforward than most other distros
2020-10-30T23:01:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then after that you just sort of cruise
2020-10-30T23:02:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> The minimalist approach to packaging is 10/10
2020-10-30T23:02:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm hoping to get all my stuff packaged before I finish my new workstation build so that I can just cd /var/db/kiss/personal ; kiss b * && kiss i *
2020-10-30T23:02:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then set up a KVM stack
2020-10-30T23:03:11 #kisslinux <micr0> midfavila i like having my end-user packages in a metapackage with just a list of depends
2020-10-30T23:03:25 #kisslinux <micr0> that way kiss-orphans filters out all that xD
2020-10-30T23:03:38 #kisslinux <micr0> but yeah, thats a solid goal
2020-10-30T23:04:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> while I was on CRUX I was sort of trying to set up my own "DE"
2020-10-30T23:04:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> in many airquotes because I can't program for shit
2020-10-30T23:04:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> so really it was just gluing a bunch of stuff together using FVWM
2020-10-30T23:05:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> xD
2020-10-30T23:05:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it was pretty comfy. I wanna recreate that on KISS and maybe start distributing it, once it's actually... you know, presentable
2020-10-30T23:05:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ideally I want to write an all in one configuration utility for it
2020-10-30T23:05:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> that would be super cool
2020-10-30T23:06:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> handle GTK themes, fonts, icons, X screensavers, keyboard layouts, and the creme de la creme would have to be a section to change the colors of the FVWM widgets on the fly
2020-10-30T23:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now I've got a few bluecurve and qnx themes packaged for my setup
2020-10-30T23:09:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> god i forgot how much i love this site
2020-10-30T23:09:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> ;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~ty micr0
2020-10-30T23:12:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what site ? 8====D
2020-10-30T23:12:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/by-others/funroll-loops/Gentoo-is-Rice.html
2020-10-30T23:13:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah, heh
2020-10-30T23:17:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Aynone here good with shell script
2020-10-30T23:20:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also I will be making a pr soon for most the webkit2gtk packages in community soon
2020-10-30T23:21:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> On the topic of webkit...
2020-10-30T23:21:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> Is uh... is it just me, or is its performance utter garbage?
2020-10-30T23:21:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> Depends on the flags you have
2020-10-30T23:21:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> Are you using the community one and which browser?
2020-10-30T23:22:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nah, this was on CRUX. Just letting ./configure figure what it wanted out
2020-10-30T23:22:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> ls
2020-10-30T23:22:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> my bad
2020-10-30T23:22:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> And the browsers I tested were Luakit, Lariza, and Badwolf
2020-10-30T23:22:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> all three were agonizingly slow and used a ridiculous amount of memory
2020-10-30T23:22:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> like 500mb just to sit there.
2020-10-30T23:23:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> I haven't tried luakit or lariza but badwolf when I used to use it performace wasn't too bad. Memory wise webkit for me takes 200mb with a page open
2020-10-30T23:23:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hm.
2020-10-30T23:24:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> surf was never so bad for me
2020-10-30T23:24:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> Here's the build file if you remove the install part at the end and change the output file to something like output instead of build you should be able to just run it in the directory;. "also remove kiss l and set most of the swithces to off"
2020-10-30T23:24:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Really?
2020-10-30T23:24:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> I found surf quite slow
2020-10-30T23:24:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> My prefered browser now is wyeb most of the time or badwolf
2020-10-30T23:24:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'd use Badwolf or Lariza, but I'm super autistic about the toolkits my software use
2020-10-30T23:24:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does crux use musl?
2020-10-30T23:24:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah
2020-10-30T23:24:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> CRUX uses glibc
2020-10-30T23:24:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you have gettext?
2020-10-30T23:25:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> on CRUX? yeah.
2020-10-30T23:25:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm just getting the build file set up for you
2020-10-30T23:25:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> Wayland or xorg?
2020-10-30T23:25:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, I don't have the install any more
2020-10-30T23:25:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it was on X.
2020-10-30T23:25:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah gotcha my bad
2020-10-30T23:25:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nah, no worries
2020-10-30T23:25:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I'm content using Nuegia or Iceweasel-UXP
2020-10-30T23:25:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> surf was basically just as responsive as every other browser i've tried if not faster
2020-10-30T23:26:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> the biggest slowdown was my own incompetence...
2020-10-30T23:26:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Huh. While not an option for me cause surf needs libX11 cause of weirdness
2020-10-30T23:26:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> I find sites now are so bloated with just everything that outside of using Chrom{e, ium} it doesn't really matter what browser you use
2020-10-30T23:26:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least imo
2020-10-30T23:26:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> web browsers are cancer and we should delete the internet and start over
2020-10-30T23:26:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just like webkit2gtk compile times, no x requirement, and no rust
2020-10-30T23:26:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> I agree
2020-10-30T23:27:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> gopher or gemini all the way
2020-10-30T23:27:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you guys would like gemini I bet
2020-10-30T23:27:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-10-30T23:27:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> gemini is pretty based.
2020-10-30T23:27:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> i subscribed to their mailing list yesterday and it's quite talkative
2020-10-30T23:27:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I think that gemini combined with a plumbing utility and like... I dunno, FTP could be really awesome
2020-10-30T23:27:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> also super opinionated xD
2020-10-30T23:27:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, any niche tech is gonna be super opinionated
2020-10-30T23:27:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> hell, look at KISS, haha
2020-10-30T23:27:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh def
2020-10-30T23:27:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know the internet is doomed though :(
2020-10-30T23:28:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> doomed implies it hasn't been fucked for almost a decade now
2020-10-30T23:28:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah true lol
2020-10-30T23:28:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> as far as I'm concerned, the net and society as a whole has been going downhill faster and faster since 2011
2020-10-30T23:28:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> I meant no fixing it because a majority of people just don't know or care
2020-10-30T23:28:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is going to sound very gatekeeper-y but the biggest problem we have as a tech-focused subset of the population is random-everybodys being in the internet and devs catering to the lowest common denominator
2020-10-30T23:28:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> it got really bad around 2013
2020-10-30T23:28:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, hey, gatekeeping isn't always bad
2020-10-30T23:29:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> not always bad but still
2020-10-30T23:29:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm almost at the point where I'm in favor of needing a computing license to access the net, kek
2020-10-30T23:29:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really want to become mostly self hosting so I can avoid web browsers 99.9% of the time
2020-10-30T23:29:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> same
2020-10-30T23:29:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm a proponent about gatekeeping around things *I know about*
2020-10-30T23:29:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think that's everyone :P
2020-10-30T23:29:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> Or at least stuff they think they know about
2020-10-30T23:29:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> Dunning-Krueger and all that
2020-10-30T23:29:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean fair most people who gatekeep feel that way probably
2020-10-30T23:29:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> also true; it's too real
2020-10-30T23:30:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, for me, I'm in this weird spot
2020-10-30T23:30:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> where like
2020-10-30T23:30:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean i definitely think most people should stfu about philosophy xD
2020-10-30T23:30:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know enough to make myself look stupid when asking questions, but not enough to... not.
2020-10-30T23:30:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> If that makes sense.
2020-10-30T23:31:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> Has anyone tried hydroxide for protonmail?
2020-10-30T23:32:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've never even heard of it.
2020-10-30T23:32:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's an alternative bridge for protonmail so you don't need a gui to use email clients
2020-10-30T23:32:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Cause the official bridge needs qt5
2020-10-30T23:32:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Aah.
2020-10-30T23:33:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmm
2020-10-30T23:33:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> why use proton tho?
2020-10-30T23:33:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> I want to host my own eventually
2020-10-30T23:33:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbf my biggest reason for doing KISS-kde was for the tutanota email client lmfaooooo
2020-10-30T23:33:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Tutanota I liked at one point
2020-10-30T23:34:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm moving towards that. The only problem is that I don't know if my ISP will allow outgoing SMTP
2020-10-30T23:34:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> But then I lost my account :(
2020-10-30T23:34:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now my email is hosted on SDF
2020-10-30T23:34:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> ouch the problem with encryption huh xD
2020-10-30T23:34:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah lol
2020-10-30T23:34:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> B:q
2020-10-30T23:34:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> i feel like hosting email is 100% not worth the trouble
2020-10-30T23:34:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> depends on how paranoid you are
2020-10-30T23:35:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> I feel like it is sometimes but yeah probably not host of the time
2020-10-30T23:35:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> betwen building all the stuff, enabling the correct access through a firewall, ensuring your isp allows certain connections...
2020-10-30T23:35:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's so much labor
2020-10-30T23:35:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> but consider the following
2020-10-30T23:35:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> no google in your life
2020-10-30T23:35:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's not too difficult
2020-10-30T23:35:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> Tutanota no google
2020-10-30T23:35:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean i know it's not difficult it's just far too involved
2020-10-30T23:35:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> >tfw that's literally KISS
2020-10-30T23:36:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's hard to avoid google if you use the internet, period
2020-10-30T23:36:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao too true
2020-10-30T23:36:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> OKAY
2020-10-30T23:36:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> we need to talk about that
2020-10-30T23:36:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> Adblock + no google account
2020-10-30T23:36:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's been something I've been thinking about a lot revently
2020-10-30T23:36:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah muevoid
2020-10-30T23:36:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> you don't get it
2020-10-30T23:36:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> so much content bounces through google's servers
2020-10-30T23:36:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know
2020-10-30T23:36:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> and amazon
2020-10-30T23:36:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> try blocking all of google's stuff at the DNS level
2020-10-30T23:36:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> like 50% of the web is hosted thorugh aws aint' it?
2020-10-30T23:36:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally fucking everything that requires a captcha breaks
2020-10-30T23:36:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> the public web at least
2020-10-30T23:36:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> and don't even get me started about amazon
2020-10-30T23:37:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> between those two they have way too much control over not just the web but the net in general
2020-10-30T23:37:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> I only really use three or four websites rn actively
2020-10-30T23:37:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> captchas were designed to train google's machine learning and AI algorithms how to properly parse images to better work at face recognitiion xD
2020-10-30T23:37:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> Im switching from github to my own server soon
2020-10-30T23:37:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I know
2020-10-30T23:37:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's heinous
2020-10-30T23:37:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> but my college forced me to sign up for a gmail account and all this other shit
2020-10-30T23:37:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> take me back to 2005, pls
2020-10-30T23:37:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Bleh
2020-10-30T23:37:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they refuse to let us use standard programs and stuff
2020-10-30T23:37:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'll take the poor driver support if it means google will stfu
2020-10-30T23:38:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> textbooks are distributed in this stupid webapp for example
2020-10-30T23:38:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> ewe
2020-10-30T23:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of, you know, just a PDF
2020-10-30T23:38:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> did you see that post on /r/linux about some guy trying to access a class page via mcgraw hill and it told him to upgrade to windows xD
2020-10-30T23:38:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> bUt DrM ThiNk abOut tHe MoNey
2020-10-30T23:38:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> muh monies
2020-10-30T23:38:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> what will happen if the schools don't get their shekels
2020-10-30T23:38:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh no
2020-10-30T23:39:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> man. spent three years trying to cut this shit out and now it's all back where it was
2020-10-30T23:39:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> worse, even.
2020-10-30T23:40:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> The only thing I will miss from github is does anyone know a bugtracker for websites.
2020-10-30T23:40:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Like one to selfhost
2020-10-30T23:40:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure.
2020-10-30T23:41:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> gitea might have that
2020-10-30T23:41:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know gitlab but no thank you
2020-10-30T23:41:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gitea looks nice
2020-10-30T23:41:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> It does have issues
2020-10-30T23:41:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> thanks
2020-10-30T23:41:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> Np
2020-10-30T23:41:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> and go :)
2020-10-30T23:41:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait, is it written in go?
2020-10-30T23:41:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> golang and c are probably my two fav languages
2020-10-30T23:41:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> a bugtracker is basically a notepad on your desk with repercussions
2020-10-30T23:42:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> eugh
2020-10-30T23:42:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't see golang as a google product personally
2020-10-30T23:42:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you think aosp or chromium are google products?
2020-10-30T23:43:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> they might not be directly controlled by Google in the same way Gmail is, but they have such an overwhelming degree of influence in the sphere that I can't be bothered to put them in seperate categories
2020-10-30T23:43:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Well yeah I understand it is. But I mean when it comes to golang I see it as a way different thing personally.
2020-10-30T23:43:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> Go is really nice imo though
2020-10-30T23:44:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I still prefer c highly
2020-10-30T23:44:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> but go is still really nice for "modern" languages
2020-10-30T23:44:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't know enough about programming to have much of an opinion
2020-10-30T23:44:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> FORTH seems neat.
2020-10-30T23:44:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Plus Ken Thompson worked on it :)
2020-10-30T23:44:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> the *spiritual successor* then, as it were
2020-10-30T23:44:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm thinking of learning a dialect of LISP soon. Maybe Racket
2020-10-30T23:45:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know lisp is great but Its not my favorite
2020-10-30T23:45:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> "Speaking about common lisp"
2020-10-30T23:45:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> for me I just want a reasonably easy to learn language that isn't horribly ineffecient
2020-10-30T23:45:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> *cough* Python *cough*
2020-10-30T23:45:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lisp is really cool
2020-10-30T23:45:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> But what is your goal with programming?
2020-10-30T23:45:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> C isn't too bad
2020-10-30T23:46:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> Depending on what you want to do
2020-10-30T23:46:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Personally? Hmm. Well, I just find it interesting, for one
2020-10-30T23:46:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'd like to make little widgets that make my life a bit easier using my PC.
2020-10-30T23:46:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think you should consider c it is really easy to learn.
2020-10-30T23:46:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> C is spooky though . -.
2020-10-30T23:47:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have been programming since I around 13 I just started to really learn c earlier this year and while not pretty I have written a few ok programs in it
2020-10-30T23:47:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only programming experience I have is some Python and FreeBASIC.
2020-10-30T23:48:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> In fairness i did c++ before but I never was great at it
2020-10-30T23:48:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> Well do you have anything in mind you'd like to create?
2020-10-30T23:48:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not gonna lie and say c is perfect but I do think more people should learn it. It really isn't that bad
2020-10-30T23:48:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> muevoid: how big of a project was wayherb on a technical level?
2020-10-30T23:49:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nothing really specific. Some tools for my DE would be nice... some utilities for personal use could be nice too
2020-10-30T23:49:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Not large at all tbh
2020-10-30T23:49:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> It was my first real project in c
2020-10-30T23:49:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> was that mostly just because of the base you had to work from?
2020-10-30T23:49:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> like a program to automatically pull listings for groceries from stores in my area and automatically compare them to find the best prices. that would be neat.
2020-10-30T23:49:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> wayland side was a lot harder to do then the functionality
2020-10-30T23:49:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> that sounds like a python-esque project midfavila:
2020-10-30T23:49:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> That does
2020-10-30T23:49:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> or R if those websites post their data nicely (:
2020-10-30T23:50:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> I love c and it can be used for everything but data and science stuff python and R
2020-10-30T23:50:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> "imo"
2020-10-30T23:50:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> R is great if you have gross data and/or don't know matlab, it seems
2020-10-30T23:50:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> all I know is that computers are cool and programming is wizardry
2020-10-30T23:51:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah wayherb is only around 506 loc
2020-10-30T23:51:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> So not too bad
2020-10-30T23:51:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> But that's just cause I didn't want to use any toolkits like gtk
2020-10-30T23:51:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> cause bleh
2020-10-30T23:52:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wish we had more options than QT5 or GTK3/4
2020-10-30T23:52:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> There is more my friend
2020-10-30T23:52:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-10-30T23:52:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> because both have such massive drawbacks imo that it's just not worth it
2020-10-30T23:52:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, yeah
2020-10-30T23:52:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know that more exists
2020-10-30T23:52:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> fftw i think is the name for gtk2 but that is cool
2020-10-30T23:52:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> raylib + raygui is pretty cool for simple things
2020-10-30T23:52:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> or gl + nuklear
2020-10-30T23:53:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> wxwidgets, Xlib/Xt/Xaw, MOTIF, FOX, that one toolkit that's super lightweight...
2020-10-30T23:53:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> xorg not gtk2
2020-10-30T23:53:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't know why I said that
2020-10-30T23:53:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2020-10-30T23:53:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I still use GTK2 exclusively for my actual workflow stuff.
2020-10-30T23:53:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't stand GTK3 programs
2020-10-30T23:53:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah there are a lot of toolkits but like, none of them are really used
2020-10-30T23:53:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I need gtk+3 for wayland
2020-10-30T23:53:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> gtk and qt are the biggest
2020-10-30T23:54:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, and there's GNUStep and WINGs
2020-10-30T23:54:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> almost forget about them
2020-10-30T23:54:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> audacity uses wxwidgets, but they use a very special self-maintained fork of it. and that's about it
2020-10-30T23:54:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I really like GNUStep
2020-10-30T23:54:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a shame that it's kinda niche
2020-10-30T23:54:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> I only have two things that use gtk
2020-10-30T23:54:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> we're all niche xD
2020-10-30T23:54:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> GNUStep is like
2020-10-30T23:54:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> extra-extra niche
2020-10-30T23:54:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-10-30T23:54:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hey dilyn what are your pc specs?
2020-10-30T23:54:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gpu wise
2020-10-30T23:55:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's some __really__ interesting development work going on
2020-10-30T23:55:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> check out NeXTSpace if you're into that kinda stuff
2020-10-30T23:59:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm on a haswell mobile chip my guy