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2020-04-19T05:41:16 #kisslinux <dylan02> onodera: >/dev/null is fine, It's up to you really.
2020-04-19T06:42:51 #kisslinux <dylan02> https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/releases/tag/1.11.0
2020-04-19T06:42:54 #kisslinux <dylan02> New kiss release
2020-04-19T07:10:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> I've been thinking a lot why is there no log in managers without a hard dependency on systemd infact there are no alternatives to elogind that are still maintained afaik. I know in some situations such as one seat user systems they aren't necessary however in multiseat systems for security reasons they seem quite helpful am I incorrect assuming this?
2020-04-19T07:11:41 #kisslinux <dylan02> You're right regarding multiseat systems. You're also right in that the only remaining option is logind/elogind.
2020-04-19T07:11:51 #kisslinux <dylan02> (maintained option)
2020-04-19T07:12:03 #kisslinux <dylan02> ConsoleKit2 was the alternative though it's now dead.
2020-04-19T07:12:33 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> sup fam
2020-04-19T07:12:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that's what I thought it is quite dissapointing that there are no alternatives to elogind.
2020-04-19T07:13:39 #kisslinux <dylan02> It doesn't help that software will depend _on_ (e)logind. (Which means that any alternatives need support in software)
2020-04-19T07:15:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I want to try out wayland but running it as root doesn't seem worth it for me and makes me just say stick with x.org
2020-04-19T07:16:24 #kisslinux <dylan02> The same goes for Wayland compositors which require (e)logind to "safely" run as non-root.
2020-04-19T07:17:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> I saw one repo that managerd to get sway running rootless without elogind however I'm not sure how they managed this and if it would be as secure as elogind.
2020-04-19T07:20:00 #kisslinux <dylan02> Using capabilities which isn't ideal either.
2020-04-19T07:20:14 #kisslinux <dylan02> ie, sway won't drop any capabilities it is given once it is launched.
2020-04-19T07:20:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah that sucks. How does rootless xorg work on kiss linux is it similar to the guide for gentoos rootless xorg?
2020-04-19T07:20:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> setuid is the only other alternative (which sway does drop permissions for) though it isn't ideal either.
2020-04-19T07:21:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Basically everything is pretty secure other then multiseat systems due to input easily being tracked?
2020-04-19T07:21:35 #kisslinux <dylan02> Rootless Xorg on KISS only really supports single-seat systems.
2020-04-19T07:21:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> KISS doesn't have the input (group) issue anymore.
2020-04-19T07:22:13 #kisslinux <dylan02> Xorg on KISS is setgid input meaning that the Xorg binary has permissions to /dev/input (but nothing else does).
2020-04-19T07:22:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah I didn't know that I recently switched to kiss linux
2020-04-19T07:22:38 #kisslinux <dylan02> The only requirement is that you be in the video group.
2020-04-19T07:23:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is there any draw backs to that? I was aware you had to be but not sure of any draw backs
2020-04-19T07:23:29 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah. You're _probably_ limited to one Xorg server at a time though I haven't tested.
2020-04-19T07:23:46 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's perfect for a single user system basically.
2020-04-19T07:24:02 #kisslinux <dylan02> For multi-seat you're going to want to find the solution which fits your needs best.
2020-04-19T07:24:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> Luckily I run a single user system just have been doing research lately about how one might go about getting better security on multi-seat systems.
2020-04-19T07:24:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does anyone here know if it's possible to compile chromium without dbus?
2020-04-19T07:25:19 #kisslinux <dylan02> It is possible
2020-04-19T07:25:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> We have qt5-webengine without dbus (which is based on chromium)
2020-04-19T07:25:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> Chromium itself is hard to package though.
2020-04-19T07:26:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Main reason why im wondering is I need youtube for school however on surf youtube doesn't seem to work. I would prefer to stay away from rust though.
2020-04-19T07:27:18 #kisslinux <dylan02> Gotcha. qt5-webengine (falkon as frontend example) is another alternative.
2020-04-19T07:27:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is falkon still maintained in the community repo?
2020-04-19T07:27:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> If you install firefox-bin (and are okay with binaries from me) you can avoid rust, nodejs, etc.
2020-04-19T07:27:42 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T07:27:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's maintained and up-to-date.
2020-04-19T07:27:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> I was going to use that originally however it didn't seem to compile.
2020-04-19T07:28:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> I might give it a shot again
2020-04-19T07:28:22 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's a painful build process
2020-04-19T07:28:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Time wise or something else?
2020-04-19T07:29:00 #kisslinux <dylan02> Time-wise and it's known to just fail during two Python steps (nothing can be done about it)
2020-04-19T07:29:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oh hey illiliti! Thanks for the help with the initramfs yesterday it's all working now.
2020-04-19T07:29:11 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'd recommend using ccache alongside it.
2020-04-19T07:29:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> How would I go about doing that?
2020-04-19T07:29:54 #kisslinux <dylan02> 'kiss b ccache', 'kiss i ccache', 'export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache/bin:$PATH'
2020-04-19T07:30:20 #kisslinux <dylan02> Building qt5-webengine multiple times (in case of error) won't then mean a loss in build progress.
2020-04-19T07:30:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha ill try it out rn
2020-04-19T07:30:46 #kisslinux <dylan02> It'll fly to where the build last ended thanks to the caching of objects.
2020-04-19T07:30:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is the compile time worse then firefox?
2020-04-19T07:30:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Due to qt5
2020-04-19T07:30:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> ?
2020-04-19T07:32:04 #kisslinux <dylan02> It does take longer than Firefox. But note; Firefox + ccache don't really work as well.
2020-04-19T07:32:17 #kisslinux <dylan02> So you'll have a better time with qt5-webengine if you need to do any rebuilds.
2020-04-19T07:32:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Im not too worried about it either way I prefer qt5 over gtk anyday personally
2020-04-19T07:32:30 #kisslinux <dylan02> (Updates may also make use of the ccache cache from the previous version)
2020-04-19T07:32:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm that's nice
2020-04-19T07:32:59 #kisslinux <dylan02> Browsers are horrible altogether :P
2020-04-19T07:33:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> I agree
2020-04-19T07:33:13 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's a matter of finding the least bad of the lot
2020-04-19T07:33:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> I was quite happy with webkit2gtk however most applications I use don't use gtk so I think falkon makes more sense to me personally.
2020-04-19T07:33:58 #kisslinux <dylan02> Regarding surf; You can make use of mpv + youtube-dl to watch videos online.
2020-04-19T07:34:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> That would be nice for personal videos however my courses require me to watch it in the browser.
2020-04-19T07:35:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I tried quite a few things to get youtube working in surf but changing my user agent didn't seem to help.
2020-04-19T07:36:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> It may be the build flags of webkit2gtk.
2020-04-19T07:36:26 #kisslinux <dylan02> merakor:
2020-04-19T07:36:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> I never thought of that
2020-04-19T07:38:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I think you may be right. VIDEO=OFF,WEB_AUDIO=OFF
2020-04-19T07:40:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> It requires quite a few dependencies however though mostly gstreamer things.
2020-04-19T07:41:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does falkon have webrtc support?
2020-04-19T07:42:31 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T07:42:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oh that's nice
2020-04-19T07:42:44 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's required in qt5-webengine for media playback oddly.
2020-04-19T07:42:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> So it's enabled.
2020-04-19T07:42:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's strange
2020-04-19T07:43:00 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's disabled in our default Firefox config though.
2020-04-19T07:43:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I figured that out after a while
2020-04-19T07:43:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> Why is that?
2020-04-19T07:43:20 #kisslinux <dylan02> Though I may enable it and let it be disabled at runtime
2020-04-19T07:43:26 #kisslinux <dylan02> webrtc has privacy issues
2020-04-19T07:43:35 #kisslinux <dylan02> Though there's a demand for it
2020-04-19T07:43:42 #kisslinux <dylan02> So I'll enable it
2020-04-19T07:43:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> I thought the main one was ip can be leaked?
2020-04-19T07:43:50 #kisslinux <dylan02> It can then be disabled from about:config
2020-04-19T07:43:55 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T07:44:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> Afaik vpns can fix that correct?
2020-04-19T07:44:14 #kisslinux <dylan02> There's this p2p feature as well iirc.
2020-04-19T07:44:24 #kisslinux <dylan02> No
2020-04-19T07:44:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> The issue was that it leaks even with a VPN no?
2020-04-19T07:44:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> Let me do some diging
2020-04-19T07:44:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> I thought some vpns don't have problems with it however I may be wrong.
2020-04-19T07:44:55 #kisslinux <dylan02> digging*
2020-04-19T07:48:11 #kisslinux <dylan02> > A WebRTC leak is when your real IP address is exposed via your browser’s WebRTC functionality. This leak can de-anonymize you via WebRTC APIs, even if your VPN is working correctly.
2020-04-19T07:48:14 #kisslinux <dylan02> https://restoreprivacy.com/webrtc-leaks/
2020-04-19T07:48:22 #kisslinux <dylan02> > The fundamental vulnerability with WebRTC is that your true IP address can be exposed via STUN requests with Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Brave, Safari, and Chromium-based browsers, even when you are using a good VPN.
2020-04-19T07:48:45 #kisslinux <dylan02> > Will a VPN protect me against WebRTC leaks? Answer: maybe.
2020-04-19T07:50:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> I wonder if this has been fixed since the time of the article
2020-04-19T07:50:09 #kisslinux <dylan02> I doubt it
2020-04-19T07:50:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ill have to do some testing with the test they link to with my vpn on.
2020-04-19T07:52:07 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'll be releasing a new firefox-bin (with webrtc available) soon-ish.
2020-04-19T07:52:18 #kisslinux <dylan02> So it's another option in your hunt for a browser
2020-04-19T07:53:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's awesome. I'm trying out falkon currently which seems quite promising due to youtube+webrtc(webrtc is quite important for me to talk to my gf via jitsi meet)
2020-04-19T07:53:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> I would be open to firefox though if this doesn't work out
2020-04-19T07:54:01 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T07:54:06 #kisslinux <dylan02> I understand
2020-04-19T07:54:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does blender require gtk?
2020-04-19T07:54:23 #kisslinux <dylan02> I believe so
2020-04-19T07:54:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's what I thought
2020-04-19T07:54:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's rather modular so you can disable a lot of the stuff you don't neeed.
2020-04-19T07:54:51 #kisslinux <dylan02> need*
2020-04-19T07:55:25 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> If people would only make software that doesn't require toolkits like gtk and qt :/
2020-04-19T07:55:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> One can hope. Personally I think qt is the lesser of the two evils
2020-04-19T07:55:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Just imo though
2020-04-19T07:55:59 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah. The two of them are rather big
2020-04-19T07:56:15 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> both are evil, qt has gone proprietary though
2020-04-19T07:56:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Has it I didn't even know that
2020-04-19T07:56:36 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> ye
2020-04-19T07:56:38 #kisslinux <illiliti> muevoid: thanks for good words
2020-04-19T07:56:40 #kisslinux <dylan02> I personally want a browser which doesn't use a GUI toolkit at all as the only GUI program I use is a browser.
2020-04-19T07:56:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> iirc, Chromium can be compiled in this way.
2020-04-19T07:57:00 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> and gtk is lying in the bed with gnu+linux disease such as freedesktop/gnome/poettering/redhat
2020-04-19T07:57:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's why I try to stay away from gtk personally
2020-04-19T07:57:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Unfortunately quite a few programs I use are gui and rely on toolkits like gtk and qt.
2020-04-19T07:57:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T07:57:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Mainly art programs the two largest ones being krita and blender
2020-04-19T07:58:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> I do game development in my freetime and I don't know any alternatives.
2020-04-19T07:58:26 #kisslinux <dylan02> An option for those is a glibc chroot.
2020-04-19T07:58:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> ie, Arch as a chroot
2020-04-19T07:58:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's true
2020-04-19T07:58:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> You can then install packages using pacman, they'll be contained in a single directory and you can run them from KISS.
2020-04-19T07:59:06 #kisslinux <dylan02> I've done this to run Chromium, Steam and Counter-strike Source.
2020-04-19T07:59:13 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's very easy to setup
2020-04-19T07:59:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I used to run a chroot for steam on gentoo-musl
2020-04-19T07:59:40 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> i wonder.. if i did a fresh system install and completely block the toolkits, how limiting it would be for my every day use
2020-04-19T07:59:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> Firefox is compiling. Once done I'll release a new firefox-bin.
2020-04-19T07:59:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> I only play open source games now though and almost all of them work on musl so I don't really see the point of going through the trouble.
2020-04-19T08:00:22 #kisslinux <dylan02> There's a kiss-games repository, not sure if you've seen it yet.
2020-04-19T08:00:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah it has almost every game I play in there. It's what im using currently.
2020-04-19T08:00:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> Neat
2020-04-19T08:00:58 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> what are main differences between glibc and muslc?
2020-04-19T08:01:08 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> other than it breaks the software that requires glibc xD
2020-04-19T08:02:19 #kisslinux <dylan02> glibc is huge by comparison though it may be faster overall.
2020-04-19T08:02:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> I believe they have it listed on their website. But afaik musl is smaller, MIT license, and they change some ways in which the libc acts.
2020-04-19T08:02:35 #kisslinux <dylan02> I guess that's the simplest way I can put it.
2020-04-19T08:02:53 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> they are  both made to do the same thing, right?
2020-04-19T08:02:58 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yes
2020-04-19T08:03:02 #kisslinux <dylan02> In the end, yeah
2020-04-19T08:03:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hey dylan02 have you ever checked out a browser like links2?
2020-04-19T08:03:18 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> is backward compat planned for muslc?
2020-04-19T08:03:27 #kisslinux <dylan02> What do you mean?
2020-04-19T08:03:38 #kisslinux <illiliti> musl mostly follow POSIX, glibc doesn't
2020-04-19T08:04:01 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> well, right now you got stuff that requires glibc and if you use muslc, it won't work.. do they plan to make such software work with muslc?
2020-04-19T08:04:23 #kisslinux <dylan02> Well, the issue actually lies in the software using glibc specific stuff.
2020-04-19T08:04:32 #kisslinux <dylan02> ie, going against standards.
2020-04-19T08:04:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kind of like bash compared to sh if Im correct making that analogy
2020-04-19T08:05:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> Sh will work on bash afaik and bash will work in sh if it doesn't use bash specific shell however if it does then it won't work.
2020-04-19T08:05:22 #kisslinux <dylan02> You can't do static linking with glibc either fyi.
2020-04-19T08:05:25 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> ah, so muslc is basically on Wayland level when it comes to that. glibc, like xorg have been for years using a certain standard, and now the new software is here that's different from the ground up
2020-04-19T08:05:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> Not really
2020-04-19T08:05:52 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> oh
2020-04-19T08:06:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> Wasn't there a distro that statically linked everything?
2020-04-19T08:06:06 #kisslinux <dylan02> Xorg has standards (and extensions to the standard).
2020-04-19T08:06:11 #kisslinux <dylan02> As does Wayland
2020-04-19T08:06:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> bonsai linux
2020-04-19T08:06:49 #kisslinux <letoram> a whole bunch of other libc implementations have limited glibc brain damage though (uclibc, bionic, BSDs, ...)
2020-04-19T08:06:56 #kisslinux <dylan02> Though it's not actually possible thanks to Python, Xorg (and all X packages), etc etc etc etc
2020-04-19T08:07:18 #kisslinux <dylan02> letoram: Yeah. I think musl may go the same route for some things. I believe I read this somewhere.
2020-04-19T08:07:28 #kisslinux <letoram> even then enough linuxisms have embedded themselves
2020-04-19T08:07:40 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yup
2020-04-19T08:07:51 #kisslinux <letoram> hence why musl needs to implement some behaviours or it couldn't get any foothold at all
2020-04-19T08:08:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you think chromium would get accepted into the community repo if it was compiled without dbus or pulseaudio?
2020-04-19T08:08:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> Most likely
2020-04-19T08:08:27 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> would have loved if someone made videos on gaming with muslc, like tested games etc
2020-04-19T08:08:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you mean opensource games?
2020-04-19T08:08:51 #kisslinux <dylan02> So long as you're able to keep up with the releases in a timely manner (less important due to the state of the world right now)
2020-04-19T08:08:53 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> not strictly, no
2020-04-19T08:09:15 #kisslinux <mcf> oasis also statically links everything, including display server and netsurf browser
2020-04-19T08:09:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> I am at home almost all the time so that wouldn't be an issue.
2020-04-19T08:10:00 #kisslinux <dylan02> mcf: Nice. Did you manage a fully static (and working/"usable") Python?
2020-04-19T08:10:22 #kisslinux <mcf> python is fully static, but that means you only have the core modules
2020-04-19T08:10:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I was trying to get ungoogled-chromium compiled the other day however one dependency I couldn't figure out how to disable atk-bride-2.0 which has a hard dependency on atk-core which requires dbus.
2020-04-19T08:10:40 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> ouch
2020-04-19T08:10:46 #kisslinux <dylan02> mcf: Yeah. I was hoping you somehow had working module support. :P
2020-04-19T08:11:23 #kisslinux <mcf> i mean, it's impossible without dlopen. but i don't run more than basic python scripts, so it hasn't been a problem
2020-04-19T08:11:30 #kisslinux <dylan02> meuvoid: It's possible to remove that dependency. I don't remember how though. It's been a while since I had a crack at Chromium.
2020-04-19T08:12:07 #kisslinux <mcf> i also have dynamic python via pkgsrc
2020-04-19T08:12:07 #kisslinux <illiliti> muevoid: gn flag: use_atk=false
2020-04-19T08:12:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm may have to try again later
2020-04-19T08:13:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I spent a few hours looking through all the use flags I could find I must've missed that
2020-04-19T08:15:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm I just looked at the ebuild for blender on gentoo and as far as I can tell blender doesn't require gtk.
2020-04-19T08:15:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> That means I can most likely have a gtk free system with just qt5
2020-04-19T08:16:01 #kisslinux <dylan02> Nice
2020-04-19T08:16:10 #kisslinux <dylan02> You can then avoid glib hopefully :P
2020-04-19T08:16:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> kiss s glib
2020-04-19T08:16:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> whoops lol
2020-04-19T08:16:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Meant to do that in another terminal to see if it was installed currentlly
2020-04-19T08:16:40 #kisslinux <dylan02> Use 'kiss l glib'
2020-04-19T08:16:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> 'kiss s' will tell you which repositories the package is available in
2020-04-19T08:16:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah thanks
2020-04-19T08:17:05 #kisslinux <dylan02> Though if you see /var/db/kiss/installed/<pkg_name> in 'kiss s', it also means that it's installed.
2020-04-19T08:17:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> I always used kiss s since it showed up in installed as well if it was installed
2020-04-19T08:17:18 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T08:17:32 #kisslinux <dylan02> The /var/db/kiss/installed/ db doubles as a fully usable repository
2020-04-19T08:17:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have three packages right now that require glib
2020-04-19T08:17:45 #kisslinux <dylan02> Which is why it is listed in 'kiss s'.
2020-04-19T08:17:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oh that's nice I didnt know that
2020-04-19T08:17:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T08:18:20 #kisslinux <dylan02> So, if a package is gone from the repositories but you have it installed, you'll forever have the ability to rebuild it from source (so long as you don't uninstall it).
2020-04-19T08:18:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's awesome I didn't know that
2020-04-19T08:19:12 #kisslinux <dylan02> You can also simply do: 'kiss fork pkg' to then copy it to your own repository.
2020-04-19T08:19:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> You might also like 'kiss export' if you haven't seen it yet.
2020-04-19T08:19:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Make depends on glib?
2020-04-19T08:20:09 #kisslinux <dylan02> It'll turn an installed package back into a tarball
2020-04-19T08:20:13 #kisslinux <dylan02> It shouldn't
2020-04-19T08:20:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I used that originall for making an initramfs but now I use tinyramfs
2020-04-19T08:20:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> Where are you seeing this? (The make dep)
2020-04-19T08:20:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also I would find that out via doing kiss-depends glib or is it something else?
2020-04-19T08:21:26 #kisslinux <dylan02> All 'kiss-depends pkg' does is: cat /var/db/kiss/installed/<pkg>/depends
2020-04-19T08:21:29 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T08:22:05 #kisslinux <dylan02> 'kiss-repodepends pkg' is also handy. It shows dependencies minus the dependency fixer's results.
2020-04-19T08:22:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nice lots of tools I didn't know how they worked exactly
2020-04-19T08:22:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> muevoid: Heh. Yeah. There's a lot.
2020-04-19T08:23:08 #kisslinux <dylan02> If you run 'kiss' from an updated system you'll see a description of each one.
2020-04-19T08:23:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> How long have you been using kiss for?
2020-04-19T08:23:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> Since August
2020-04-19T08:23:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Wow
2020-04-19T08:24:18 #kisslinux <dylan02> Though this was 2-3 months into development
2020-04-19T08:24:29 #kisslinux <dylan02> We may have passed KISS' 1st birthday actually
2020-04-19T08:24:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> > Date:   Thu May 9 09:46:50 2019 +0300
2020-04-19T08:24:56 #kisslinux <dylan02> Almost
2020-04-19T08:25:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Wow
2020-04-19T08:26:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you use sowm?
2020-04-19T08:26:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> I do
2020-04-19T08:26:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-04-19T08:27:09 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's my WM after all ;)
2020-04-19T08:27:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> I enjoyed sowm quite a bit when I had used it
2020-04-19T08:27:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oh crap I thought since it said dylan02 you were someone else
2020-04-19T08:27:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> lol
2020-04-19T08:27:54 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'm just not using my usual nick
2020-04-19T08:28:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> I love the distro me and my gf have been using it for roughly a week now
2020-04-19T08:28:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'm glad you're enjoying it
2020-04-19T08:28:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> She really enjoys sowm it's her current wm. Rn I switch between dwm and sowm though
2020-04-19T08:29:54 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah. I get it
2020-04-19T08:30:14 #kisslinux <dylan02> dwm provides so much more than sowm does :P
2020-04-19T08:30:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Main reason I don't use sowm all the time is tiling. Other then that I don't use most things dwm has.
2020-04-19T08:31:15 #kisslinux <dylan02> Ah. Gotcha. I'll get around to writing a tiling patch at some point.
2020-04-19T08:31:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> That would be awesome. Sowm is written in C right?
2020-04-19T08:31:35 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yup
2020-04-19T08:31:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah rn I'm taking a course on C
2020-04-19T08:32:13 #kisslinux <dylan02> i3-like tiling would be fairly easy to add
2020-04-19T08:32:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Will you be doing another blog anytime soon?
2020-04-19T08:33:02 #kisslinux <dylan02> Just a matter of counting the windows in the workspace, sizing each window as they come in and adding a floating toggle.e
2020-04-19T08:33:13 #kisslinux <dylan02> What kind of blog?
2020-04-19T08:33:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmm I may have to mess around with it
2020-04-19T08:33:23 #kisslinux <dylan02> For KISS?
2020-04-19T08:33:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> And your this week in KISS blog
2020-04-19T08:33:36 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T08:33:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> I will
2020-04-19T08:33:42 #kisslinux <dylan02> Just getting back into the groove of things
2020-04-19T08:33:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-04-19T08:34:56 #kisslinux <dylan02> It'll be a long one as I want to write about this new laptop (and how I was able to buy it (Thanks jedavies and a few others)), the new package manager changes, etc.
2020-04-19T08:35:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> What laptop is it?
2020-04-19T08:35:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> "Honor Magicbook 14"
2020-04-19T08:36:01 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's basically from Huawei as Honor is owned by them.
2020-04-19T08:36:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Never heard of it. I'm currently on a system76 darp6 with a blob free wifi card. I'm working on trying to replace the openuefi payload in coreboot with the grub2 payload.
2020-04-19T08:36:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> And ah it's a huawei laptop. Ill have to search it up
2020-04-19T08:36:54 #kisslinux <dylan02> It was 550 euros and has a Ryzen 3500u, 8GB ram, 1080p IPS display, 256 nvme SSD, etc.
2020-04-19T08:37:19 #kisslinux <dylan02> Perfect for my use case and cheap for its specs (at least where I am)
2020-04-19T08:37:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's not too bad i'm not sure the exact conversion rate to usd but that seems like a great price.
2020-04-19T08:37:41 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's pretty much 1:1 (or was), not sure what it is like now.
2020-04-19T08:37:57 #kisslinux <dylan02> 1 euro is 1.09 usd
2020-04-19T08:38:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah yeah thats not bad at all then.
2020-04-19T08:38:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> It requires firmware sadly
2020-04-19T08:39:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know you are quite against initramfs but do you think that illiliti tinyramfs could be accepted into the community repo it is in posix shell.
2020-04-19T08:39:35 #kisslinux <dylan02> Given that I needed something that would arrive quickly and not go beyond 500~ euros, it's fine though.
2020-04-19T08:39:44 #kisslinux <dylan02> muevoid: Yeah. Of course.
2020-04-19T08:39:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> I quite like amds chips however they require firmware for graphics.
2020-04-19T08:40:21 #kisslinux <dylan02> It'd also be nice to have the install guide include something about it.
2020-04-19T08:40:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> They have also talked about supporting coreboot.
2020-04-19T08:40:45 #kisslinux <dylan02> Neat
2020-04-19T08:41:04 #kisslinux <dylan02> This laptop has a sane UEFI implementation so I'm able to use an EFISTUB this time around. :P
2020-04-19T08:41:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think it will happen any time soon though. And that's good
2020-04-19T08:41:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> What made you want to start KISS?
2020-04-19T08:43:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> I wanted something "tiny" that I (and you) have full control over.
2020-04-19T08:43:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> What did you use before KISS?
2020-04-19T08:43:58 #kisslinux <dylan02> I don't like where I can see Linux distributions going basically.
2020-04-19T08:44:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't either I was quite excited when I found your distro.
2020-04-19T08:44:26 #kisslinux <dylan02> I used Void right before KISS though I've hopped around pretty much everything.
2020-04-19T08:44:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> Void was one of the better distros imo
2020-04-19T08:44:43 #kisslinux <dylan02> Eh
2020-04-19T08:44:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> It had a lot of bsd influence
2020-04-19T08:45:00 #kisslinux <dylan02> I have problems with everything so keep that in mind. :P
2020-04-19T08:45:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough lol
2020-04-19T08:45:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Did you use musl void linux or glibc?
2020-04-19T08:45:41 #kisslinux <dylan02> No other distribution (that I know of(?)) lints all of their shell with shellcheck. The shell code is everything is horrible.
2020-04-19T08:45:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> s/is/in/
2020-04-19T08:46:02 #kisslinux <dylan02> I used musl void iirc.
2020-04-19T08:46:08 #kisslinux <dylan02> I've tried the glibc one toot hough.
2020-04-19T08:46:11 #kisslinux <dylan02> though*
2020-04-19T08:46:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not too familiar with shell code. I can write very basic scripts but not much more.
2020-04-19T08:47:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's very hard to write in a "safe" way
2020-04-19T08:47:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> What is shellcheck?
2020-04-19T08:48:08 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's easy to write something which "works" but in reality works only _in that moment_.
2020-04-19T08:48:20 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's a linter for shell code. It picks out mistakes, pitfalls, etc.
2020-04-19T08:48:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is it kind of like a sanitizer that you would use with C or C++
2020-04-19T08:49:35 #kisslinux <dylan02> https://www.shellcheck.net/
2020-04-19T08:50:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> I cant seem to compile qt5
2020-04-19T08:50:18 #kisslinux <dylan02> What's the error?
2020-04-19T08:50:35 #kisslinux <dylan02> Also (regarding musl vs glibc): https://termbin.com/gk9h
2020-04-19T08:51:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> File '*********************' is not valid also file '**' is not valid
2020-04-19T08:51:31 #kisslinux <dylan02> Send a snippet with a little context?
2020-04-19T08:51:40 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'd imagine that the full log is rather large.
2020-04-19T08:51:51 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'll see if I can reproduce.
2020-04-19T08:52:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> KK will do should I upload it to termbin?
2020-04-19T08:52:20 #kisslinux <dylan02> Also, you can use 'kiss-maintainer pkg' to see who maintains the package.
2020-04-19T08:52:36 #kisslinux <dylan02> Sure. You can simply do: 'nc termbin.com:9999 < file'
2020-04-19T08:52:46 #kisslinux <dylan02> (Also extends to 'cmd | nc termbin.com:9999'. Very handy)
2020-04-19T08:53:12 #kisslinux <dylan02> dilyn: Can you reproduce?
2020-04-19T08:53:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I used that yesterday when the developer of tinyramfs was helping me debug it was quite useful
2020-04-19T08:54:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> https://termbin.com/oozc theres the full log error is towards the bottom
2020-04-19T08:55:08 #kisslinux <dylan02> Thanks
2020-04-19T08:55:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> Thanks for trying to check it out
2020-04-19T08:59:43 #kisslinux <dylan02> You'll have to upload the log file with tail
2020-04-19T08:59:46 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's cut-off
2020-04-19T08:59:57 #kisslinux <dylan02> tail -1000 /path/to/file | nc termbin.com:9999
2020-04-19T09:00:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> Should I just upload the last part of the log?
2020-04-19T09:00:24 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T09:00:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's been a while since I had to cut a huge chunk of text in vim how do I go about doing so if you happen to know?
2020-04-19T09:02:01 #kisslinux <dylan02> shift+v will do line based visual selection
2020-04-19T09:02:16 #kisslinux <dylan02> Can then use 'd' to get rid of the selection.
2020-04-19T09:02:36 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'd just simply use 'tail' though
2020-04-19T09:02:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> kk
2020-04-19T09:03:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> https://termbin.com/n0ln
2020-04-19T09:04:29 #kisslinux <dylan02> That's an odd error huh
2020-04-19T09:04:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> > File '**' is not valid
2020-04-19T09:04:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> > File '**********************' is not valid
2020-04-19T09:06:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I'm not sure lol
2020-04-19T09:12:06 #kisslinux <dylan02> OK
2020-04-19T09:12:10 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'm doing a qt5 build now
2020-04-19T09:12:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk
2020-04-19T09:12:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> What laptop did you use before this one?
2020-04-19T09:13:07 #kisslinux <dylan02> A Lenovo Yoga 900
2020-04-19T09:13:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> Was that an amd or intel system?
2020-04-19T09:13:28 #kisslinux <dylan02> Intel
2020-04-19T09:13:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> With a 2 core i7
2020-04-19T09:13:43 #kisslinux <dylan02> I have 4 cores now which is nice
2020-04-19T09:13:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oof
2020-04-19T09:13:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I do too
2020-04-19T09:14:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's nice for compiling I used to be on a 2 core i3
2020-04-19T09:14:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Now i'm on a 4core 8thread i7-10501u
2020-04-19T09:15:04 #kisslinux <dylan02> Nice
2020-04-19T09:15:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> The ryzen chip has 8threads as well correct?
2020-04-19T09:15:24 #kisslinux <dylan02> This is the first time I've owned something with this many cores I believe
2020-04-19T09:15:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-04-19T09:15:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you play any games at all other then the chroot you have?
2020-04-19T09:16:08 #kisslinux <dylan02> My desktop (which lives in a different country now) had an AMD fx 6300 (6 cores at 5GHz) :(
2020-04-19T09:16:13 #kisslinux <dylan02> I do not
2020-04-19T09:16:19 #kisslinux <dylan02> I used my desktop for games
2020-04-19T09:16:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah what happened to it if you don't mind me asking?
2020-04-19T09:16:43 #kisslinux <dylan02> I moved overseas
2020-04-19T09:16:45 #kisslinux <dylan02> and left it
2020-04-19T09:16:51 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's in storage right now
2020-04-19T09:16:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha ya
2020-04-19T09:17:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> Are you from the US?
2020-04-19T09:17:07 #kisslinux <dylan02> Australia
2020-04-19T09:17:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oh gatcha
2020-04-19T09:17:17 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'm in Greece now
2020-04-19T09:17:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I knew that from your blogs
2020-04-19T09:18:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> What is your opinion on rust?
2020-04-19T09:19:09 #kisslinux <dylan02> Takes too long to build (and the process is hard to work with)
2020-04-19T09:19:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you have a favorite language?
2020-04-19T09:19:32 #kisslinux <dylan02> I don't like cargo (or anything like it (npm, pip, etc))
2020-04-19T09:19:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I don't either. It was one of the main things that made me never want to use rust.
2020-04-19T09:20:01 #kisslinux <dylan02> I like shell and C
2020-04-19T09:20:15 #kisslinux <dylan02> Though I need to write more C and less shell
2020-04-19T09:20:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> I feel like C will most likely be my go to language after I learn it more
2020-04-19T09:20:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> I want to do a rewrite of your fff project in C after I learn some more.
2020-04-19T09:21:53 #kisslinux <dylan02> That'd be fun
2020-04-19T09:22:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> I feel like it might be a good project to learn some. Even if I can't implement all the features you have in it.
2020-04-19T09:23:06 #kisslinux <dylan02> The tricky part will be wrapping your head around doing a TUI from scratch
2020-04-19T09:23:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> My qt5 also failed.
2020-04-19T09:23:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm was it the same error?
2020-04-19T09:23:58 #kisslinux <dylan02> Same error, yeah
2020-04-19T09:24:10 #kisslinux <dylan02> Will leave this to dilyn as it's his package.
2020-04-19T09:24:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is he on irc right now?
2020-04-19T09:24:57 #kisslinux <dylan02> He'll be on a little later
2020-04-19T09:25:08 #kisslinux <dylan02> I've mentioned his nick so he'll see these messages
2020-04-19T09:25:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> I might have to take the bullet and use firefox for the time being
2020-04-19T09:26:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I could also work on compiling ungoogled chromium
2020-04-19T09:27:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> You'll need a set of musl patches on top of it
2020-04-19T09:28:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah someone has a repo with the patches included in the build process they took them from alpine linuxs package.
2020-04-19T09:29:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> Right
2020-04-19T09:31:24 #kisslinux <illiliti> muevoid: void-linux has more up to date patches than alpine
2020-04-19T09:32:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'll take a look at that
2020-04-19T09:33:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you think you'll still make firefox-bin with webrtc at some point dylan?
2020-04-19T09:35:45 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'm doing it now
2020-04-19T09:36:01 #kisslinux <dylan02> Firefox is building
2020-04-19T09:36:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk thanks a ton
2020-04-19T09:36:08 #kisslinux <dylan02> brb 2 secs
2020-04-19T09:36:10 #kisslinux <dylan02> np
2020-04-19T09:43:36 #kisslinux <dylan03> On second thought, I'll be on again in a few hours.
2020-04-19T11:03:11 #kisslinux <merakor> dylan01: https://termbin.com/ee30
2020-04-19T12:04:31 #kisslinux <dylan01> merakor: Merged, thanks.
2020-04-19T12:14:54 #kisslinux <merakor> Sure!
2020-04-19T12:16:02 #kisslinux <dylan01> Keep them coming :P
2020-04-19T13:12:02 #kisslinux <merakor> dylan01: I don't know if you would like this https://termbin.com/zskf
2020-04-19T13:45:27 #kisslinux <dylan01> merakor: I see.
2020-04-19T13:45:46 #kisslinux <dylan01> We can probably do better than adding another action.
2020-04-19T13:47:35 #kisslinux <merakor> I have another idea
2020-04-19T13:48:24 #kisslinux <merakor> What about removing the function of searching for multiple packages and check if there are multiple arguments in kiss s
2020-04-19T13:48:56 #kisslinux <merakor> I don't think people are searching for multiple packages in one 'kiss s'
2020-04-19T13:49:16 #kisslinux <dylan01> I think I'll just revert to the old behavior.
2020-04-19T13:49:25 #kisslinux <dylan01> All results, always
2020-04-19T13:49:57 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah I think that's probably for the better
2020-04-19T13:51:07 #kisslinux <merakor> People can just use set and use $1 or sed 1q
2020-04-19T13:51:41 #kisslinux <dylan01> Yup
2020-04-19T13:53:07 #kisslinux <dylan01> Pushed to repos.
2020-04-19T14:09:09 #kisslinux <merakor> I really regret the day I have decided to buy the computer I have :D
2020-04-19T14:11:51 #kisslinux <merakor> It's an optimus laptop, which is already terrible on Linux. But it's also an optimus laptop with Nvidia. That's like double terrible.
2020-04-19T14:15:07 #kisslinux <merakor> I don't compile nouveau just to get the computer to boot.
2020-04-19T14:15:45 #kisslinux <illiliti> me too.. lol. i have HP Pavilion 15-cb0xx . HP is horrible in linux, they hate linux users... just look at HP forum
2020-04-19T14:16:09 #kisslinux <merakor> Ugh
2020-04-19T14:16:13 #kisslinux <merakor> Mine is HP
2020-04-19T14:17:15 #kisslinux <merakor> HP forum is basically "We don't give a double f about Linux, just use Windows you nerd."
2020-04-19T14:22:35 #kisslinux <illiliti> Yep, some times ago i asked on forum about raw bios payloads to flash it natively using linux. They started to think that I'm supposedly trying to remove bios password lock from _stolen_ laptop LOL
2020-04-19T15:35:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> muevoid: dylan02: I got that error twice while building qt a couple days ago; kept trying and it finally worked out
2020-04-19T15:35:51 #kisslinux <dylan01> Ah
2020-04-19T15:35:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll see if I can find anything out about it, but it just seems like another thing qt just *does* :|
2020-04-19T15:35:57 #kisslinux <dylan01> Great :P
2020-04-19T15:36:00 #kisslinux <dylan01> Thanks qt5
2020-04-19T15:36:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah best part is it happens relatively late in the build process (at least for me) and i didn't use ccache the first !or! second time
2020-04-19T15:36:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I spent all day building falkon lmfao
2020-04-19T15:40:51 #kisslinux <dylan01> lol
2020-04-19T15:44:33 #kisslinux <konimex> at this point just bail out and go firefox
2020-04-19T15:44:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> never!
2020-04-19T15:45:26 #kisslinux <dylan01> qt5 has failed twice in a row for me now
2020-04-19T15:45:28 #kisslinux <dylan01> Hm
2020-04-19T15:47:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's like it's actively trying to dissuade us from using it
2020-04-19T15:52:54 #kisslinux <dylan01> Heh
2020-04-19T16:06:59 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: What about webkitgtk?
2020-04-19T16:15:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i used to use surf. it worked super well actually
2020-04-19T16:16:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> i only started using falkon because i hadn't used it in a *very* long time and I only kept it because it was going to get dropped otherwise, and i don't our chocies to really just be surf and firefox
2020-04-19T16:32:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> I like falkon
2020-04-19T16:33:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> And yeah, while I don't use kiss I think it'd be bad to only have gtk browser choices
2020-04-19T17:07:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> I cannot for the life of me determine this uutils issue O.O
2020-04-19T17:07:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't want to open an issue on github but it's trying to do something so basic...
2020-04-19T17:07:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> busybox can do it why can't rust XD
2020-04-19T17:58:20 #kisslinux <merakor> dylan01: https://termbin.com/chpm
2020-04-19T20:10:42 #kisslinux <merakor> dylan01: https://termbin.com/ok5i
2020-04-19T20:17:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hey dylan01 do you know when you will be uploading the new firefox-bin to the repos?
2020-04-19T20:27:25 #kisslinux <rircA13FA> hey mahmudov , I read you are also interested in opensource games.
2020-04-19T20:27:29 #kisslinux <rircA13FA> nick /claudia02
2020-04-19T20:28:18 #kisslinux <claudia02> oh sry
2020-04-19T20:28:24 #kisslinux <claudia02> muevoid:
2020-04-19T20:28:52 #kisslinux <claudia02> Do you know something which should be on there?
2020-04-19T20:29:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> Are you asking if I'm interested in opensource games if so yes they are all I play. To be honest it has most games I play the only two games I play that aren't on there are mindustry and nullpomino both of which require openjdk.
2020-04-19T20:30:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also there is an issue with irrlicht right now. It seems to not want to compile for some reason. I'll open up an issue on the repo soon.
2020-04-19T20:32:14 #kisslinux <claudia02> Y, openjdk is a problem. I have not tried bothering with this.
2020-04-19T20:32:43 #kisslinux <claudia02> Irrlicht is maintained by somebody else. You can check whith kiss-maintainer and ping them in the issue
2020-04-19T20:32:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk
2020-04-19T20:33:34 #kisslinux <claudia02> Y, I was just curious if you have suggestions, without java stuff (: .
2020-04-19T20:34:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Open spades is quite fun but not sure on the dependencies
2020-04-19T20:35:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Teeworlds
2020-04-19T20:36:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> and theres also just supertux im not sure if that's in the repos though
2020-04-19T20:37:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> I also believe osu is open source but I'm not sure
2020-04-19T20:38:09 #kisslinux <claudia02> whats osu?
2020-04-19T20:38:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's a rythem game you click circles and drag your mouse around to different osu maps people create.
2020-04-19T20:38:46 #kisslinux <claudia02> Teewolrds I have ready, but needs some testing
2020-04-19T20:38:50 #kisslinux <claudia02> Oh that sounds nice
2020-04-19T20:39:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I used to enjoy it quite a bit playing with friends
2020-04-19T20:44:52 #kisslinux <claudia02> ook, osu! depends on dotnet stuff (:
2020-04-19T20:45:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oof I didn't know that lmao
2020-04-19T21:04:16 #kisslinux <claudia02> muevoid: I fixed the irrlich issue.
2020-04-19T21:04:44 #kisslinux <claudia02> This was because of unzip was added to kiss and is no longer needed in the buidlfile
2020-04-19T21:06:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oh awesome thanks!
2020-04-19T21:06:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also I just noticed that sowm freezes with numlock on is this normal?
2020-04-19T22:56:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Has anyone here heard of raylib?
2020-04-19T22:58:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm what is ldconfig?
2020-04-19T23:00:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah it isn't in musl
2020-04-19T23:33:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hey dilyn do you know about the error with qt5?
2020-04-19T23:33:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> MueVoid: re sowm I haven't noticed freezing but I have noticed that the only keybind that gets listened to is mod4+enter
2020-04-19T23:33:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have no idea what is causing the error
2020-04-19T23:34:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm
2020-04-19T23:34:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> It seems more interesting than the 'unexpected eof' I'm used to seeing but there is absolutely no info on it
2020-04-19T23:34:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> I had to build it several times for it to work. Qt is just a mess tbh
2020-04-19T23:34:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> It's MASSIVE. That's why we break it up into several packages. That's only like, a third of what Qt contains
2020-04-19T23:34:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> It's a monolith of bloat
2020-04-19T23:34:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I wish I could get youtube working in webkit2gtk
2020-04-19T23:35:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hey since you maintain packages do you think you could give me a few tips on a package im trying to package?
2020-04-19T23:36:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> Sure!
2020-04-19T23:36:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think it might be an issue with my build file I'll upload that first
2020-04-19T23:37:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> https://termbin.com/mq58
2020-04-19T23:38:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> patch -pi < $foo
2020-04-19T23:38:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> p1*
2020-04-19T23:39:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah gotcha thanks so much!
2020-04-19T23:39:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> It's my #1 typo
2020-04-19T23:40:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Now there is something wrong with my patch. I quickly did the patch myself so i'm not sure if I did it right
2020-04-19T23:41:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> To make the patch I ran diff -urNb ~/raylib-3.0.0/src/Makefile ~/raylib/src/Makefile >patchfile
2020-04-19T23:41:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm assuming that's wrong?
2020-04-19T23:44:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have no idea what all those flags do but I use BusyBox diff and just use diff $foo $bar > 0001.patch
2020-04-19T23:45:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> And then change the filenames if need be within the patch (a/config.h b/config.h for instance)
2020-04-19T23:45:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> Have a peak at any of the patches in any packages for reference on how they should look to compare
2020-04-19T23:45:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk
2020-04-19T23:45:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> Gcc and musl have patches you can peak at I believe
2020-04-19T23:46:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> K that got me closer
2020-04-19T23:49:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Now it says can't open 0001.patch no such file
2020-04-19T23:57:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> Did you put it in sources? Separate line, as patches/0001.patch
2020-04-19T23:57:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah thanks
2020-04-19T23:57:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> (and put your patch in a folder named patches)
2020-04-19T23:58:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> K my patch still isn't working I'm not quite sure where to go from here
2020-04-19T23:58:26 #kisslinux <rirc1365A> dilyn: maybe open an issue about that qt5 is not broken and have to be build until its done?
2020-04-19T23:58:46 #kisslinux <claudia02> *has
2020-04-19T23:59:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Now I get an error Makefile:660 *** only one 'else' per conditional. Stop.
2020-04-19T23:59:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> MueVoid: since you CD into src it should be ../0001.patch in the build script. Kiss copies patches and files into the unzipped src