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2020-01-27T06:43:34 #kisslinux <adamantium> Yay for sinit
2020-01-27T06:44:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: PDFs go straight to download
2020-01-27T06:45:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> adamantium: :D
2020-01-27T06:46:43 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: how do you feel about a /etc/kiss.conf file
2020-01-27T06:47:00 #kisslinux <adamantium> first use i can think of is to choose download method (wget with resume features vs curl) ...
2020-01-27T06:48:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's not that simple
2020-01-27T06:48:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What's simple is that you're able to write a tiny script to do sources in whatever way you like
2020-01-27T06:56:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/cbfwh
2020-01-27T06:56:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is a quick script to use aria2 with resume
2020-01-27T06:56:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have a full rewrite for the package manager planned
2020-01-27T06:57:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which will simplify things further
2020-01-27T07:24:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> adamantium: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/pull/91
2020-01-27T07:24:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thoughts so far?
2020-01-27T07:25:37 #kisslinux <adamantium> This is something that is needed. Haven't been able to check the code
2020-01-27T07:25:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-01-27T07:25:50 #kisslinux <adamantium> We are all using workarounds is why this is needed.
2020-01-27T07:25:55 #kisslinux <adamantium> Sudo is a workaround
2020-01-27T07:26:00 #kisslinux <adamantium> running everything as root is a workaround
2020-01-27T07:26:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This uses su to work
2020-01-27T07:26:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You'll only be prompted for a password once :D
2020-01-27T07:26:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The tricky part is that shell functions can't be run as a different user
2020-01-27T07:26:47 #kisslinux <adamantium> this could fix my issue I face, I prefer until now to just do everything as root with kiss-- the problem is it will mess up the file ownership of my community repo fork
2020-01-27T07:26:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-01-27T07:27:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This drops permissions to prevent that
2020-01-27T07:27:08 #kisslinux <adamantium> i literally put in my /etc/profile :
2020-01-27T07:27:13 #kisslinux <adamantium> #HACK
2020-01-27T07:27:21 #kisslinux <adamantium> chown -R adam:adam /home/adam
2020-01-27T07:27:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I just need to fix pkg_build() now
2020-01-27T07:27:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The way I'm dropping permissions is to... run the script again as a normal user
2020-01-27T07:28:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > drop_root "$OLDUSER" kiss sources "$@"
2020-01-27T07:28:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I had to create 'kiss sources'
2020-01-27T07:28:58 #kisslinux <adamantium> I wonder if you can just use a HEREDOC
2020-01-27T07:29:03 #kisslinux <adamantium> I think you can
2020-01-27T07:29:12 #kisslinux <adamantium> something like (just guessing)
2020-01-27T07:29:29 #kisslinux <adamantium> cat <<EOF | su adam
2020-01-27T07:29:31 #kisslinux <adamantium> blah
2020-01-27T07:29:33 #kisslinux <adamantium> EOF
2020-01-27T07:29:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-01-27T07:29:46 #kisslinux <adamantium> try that!
2020-01-27T07:29:49 #kisslinux <adamantium> lmk :D
2020-01-27T07:30:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Would that work with a function?
2020-01-27T07:30:14 #kisslinux <adamantium> idk
2020-01-27T07:30:19 #kisslinux <adamantium> i dont even know if it works
2020-01-27T07:30:23 #kisslinux <adamantium> but it should in theory
2020-01-27T07:30:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I had another idea
2020-01-27T07:30:31 #kisslinux <adamantium> I have done interesting things this way before
2020-01-27T07:30:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But decided against it
2020-01-27T07:30:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It would've made things very easy
2020-01-27T07:31:00 #kisslinux <adamantium> in the HEREDOC you can execute HEREDOC inside of HEREDOC too
2020-01-27T07:31:09 #kisslinux <adamantium> You can also run $() subshell code in HEREDOC
2020-01-27T07:31:48 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: let me show you an example I have done, the code is ugly bash from when I was learning to script, but it actually does some interesting stuff.
2020-01-27T07:32:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See: https://termbin.com/w8rf
2020-01-27T07:32:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This was my other idea
2020-01-27T07:33:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The prompt at the start doesn't actually give root perms.
2020-01-27T07:33:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But logs the password
2020-01-27T07:33:21 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: heredoc inside of heredoc is in this section and additionally uses subshells $(..) and variables from outside of the function https://github.com/a-schaefers/themelios/blob/master/themelios#L318
2020-01-27T07:33:30 #kisslinux <adamantium> just a funky example...
2020-01-27T07:33:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can then call 'su' using the logged pass
2020-01-27T07:33:33 #kisslinux <adamantium> of what you can do with heredocs!
2020-01-27T07:34:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I see
2020-01-27T07:34:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/w8rf
2020-01-27T07:34:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See this
2020-01-27T07:34:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I decided against it of course
2020-01-27T07:34:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though it would've made things really simple
2020-01-27T07:34:42 #kisslinux <adamantium> you can even cat<< EOF | chroot /mnt
2020-01-27T07:34:44 #kisslinux <adamantium> do stuff
2020-01-27T07:34:45 #kisslinux <adamantium> EOF
2020-01-27T07:35:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd have to somehow include whole functions from the script in those EOF blocks
2020-01-27T07:35:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also the setup for said functions (main())
2020-01-27T07:35:31 #kisslinux <adamantium> i leave the plumbing to you
2020-01-27T07:35:36 #kisslinux <adamantium> You are my teacher
2020-01-27T07:35:37 #kisslinux <adamantium> lol
2020-01-27T07:35:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You *could* do it with grep/awk
2020-01-27T07:35:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-01-27T07:35:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Now that's a hac
2020-01-27T07:35:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> k
2020-01-27T07:36:55 #kisslinux <adamantium> omg dylanaraps https://termbin.com/udla
2020-01-27T07:36:58 #kisslinux <adamantium> I'm genious
2020-01-27T07:38:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The source will be full of these now
2020-01-27T07:38:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > drop_root "$OLDUSER" kiss extract "$pkg"
2020-01-27T08:04:08 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: https://termbin.com/u4oj
2020-01-27T08:04:17 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: you don't know you want this until you need it
2020-01-27T08:04:23 #kisslinux <adamantium> That was my case ^_^
2020-01-27T08:07:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-01-27T08:10:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> adamantium: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/pull/93/files
2020-01-27T08:10:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is the simplest way of doing it.
2020-01-27T08:10:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We can then elevate permissions where needed without having to prompt for a password.
2020-01-27T08:11:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This makes the default behavior non-root with passwordless elevation to root when needed
2020-01-27T08:11:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The cases needing root are far far lower than the cases needing a normal user's perms.
2020-01-27T08:12:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So 'root_run()' will be added in a couple of places instead of hacking around the limitations of 'su' for functions
2020-01-27T08:12:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dunno how I feel about caching the password which is why I didn't go with this to begin with.
2020-01-27T08:13:15 #kisslinux <Guest83> hmmm
2020-01-27T08:13:29 #kisslinux <Guest83> bit of a worry
2020-01-27T08:13:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Exactly
2020-01-27T08:13:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I need to do some research
2020-01-27T08:14:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (This won't be merged willy-nilly if at all)
2020-01-27T08:15:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The other option is to run 'kiss' as root and drop permissions in a *lot* of places.
2020-01-27T08:15:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This involves me trying to workaround the fact that 'su' can't be used on shell functions.
2020-01-27T08:15:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or we leave kiss as-is and have password prompts throughout
2020-01-27T08:15:49 #kisslinux <adamantium> cannot stay as -is
2020-01-27T08:16:47 #kisslinux <adamantium> I liked the idea of running kiss as root, that's what literally ALL other distros do dylanaraps
2020-01-27T08:17:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can't lower permissions to shell functions though.
2020-01-27T08:18:03 #kisslinux <adamantium> Why not
2020-01-27T08:18:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> su doesn't work with shell functions
2020-01-27T08:18:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd have to wrap every needed external command in 'drop_root "$OLDUSER" cmd args'
2020-01-27T08:19:08 #kisslinux <adamantium> can't you pipe shell functions into su with the HEREDOC ?
2020-01-27T08:19:12 #kisslinux <monochromal> why not require kiss to run as root only when required (e.g. install, uninstall, etc.)
2020-01-27T08:19:12 #kisslinux <monochromal> and allow normal users for normal stuff (list, search, etc.)
2020-01-27T08:19:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> monochroma: This is how it works now
2020-01-27T08:19:32 #kisslinux <adamantium> monochromal: that is how it is currently and it's backwards
2020-01-27T08:20:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How would I pipe shell functions without writing large portions of the script inside heredocs?
2020-01-27T08:20:15 #kisslinux <adamantium> monochromal: the issue is that if you run kiss as root you'll screw up permissions on your local-user git overlays, and if you run as regular user, you'll be asked your su password 1000x times
2020-01-27T08:21:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You shouldn't be building as root anyway
2020-01-27T08:21:13 #kisslinux <adamantium> and that ^^
2020-01-27T08:21:23 #kisslinux <adamantium> adduser kissbuid
2020-01-27T08:21:33 #kisslinux <monochromal> never had problems though
2020-01-27T08:21:36 #kisslinux <adamantium> cat <<EOF | kissbuild
2020-01-27T08:21:38 #kisslinux <adamantium> do root stuff
2020-01-27T08:21:39 #kisslinux <adamantium> EOF
2020-01-27T08:21:55 #kisslinux <adamantium> functions() { up here ; }
2020-01-27T08:22:00 #kisslinux <adamantium> cat <<EOF | kissbuild
2020-01-27T08:22:06 #kisslinux <adamantium> functions
2020-01-27T08:22:07 #kisslinux <adamantium> EOF
2020-01-27T08:22:10 #kisslinux <adamantium> Does that work??
2020-01-27T08:22:33 #kisslinux <adamantium> cat << EOF | su -l kissbuild2020-01-27T08:22:38 #kisslinux <adamantium> my bad
2020-01-27T08:22:43 #kisslinux <adamantium> ...
2020-01-27T08:24:19 #kisslinux <adamantium> monochromal: you probably have sudo installed
2020-01-27T08:24:20 #kisslinux <adamantium> btw
2020-01-27T08:24:38 #kisslinux <adamantium> it's the only way that using kiss as a normal user is tolerable
2020-01-27T08:25:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/uka3
2020-01-27T08:25:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This doesn't work
2020-01-27T08:27:34 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: it should be $(test_func)
2020-01-27T08:27:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That would run the command as root
2020-01-27T08:28:06 #kisslinux <adamantium> ah
2020-01-27T08:28:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The command would execute before being sent to 'su'
2020-01-27T08:28:24 #kisslinux <adamantium> some kind of chicken egg problem
2020-01-27T08:28:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The way I've been trying to hack around this is to expose internal functions as arguments
2020-01-27T08:29:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Then spawning a bunch of kiss instances whenever I need to drop perms
2020-01-27T08:29:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It doesn't scale well at all
2020-01-27T08:29:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I need to also handle 'pkg_build' being run as a normal user and root
2020-01-27T08:30:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It is called during 'kiss u' and permissions are also sometimes needed to install dependencies.
2020-01-27T08:32:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We only need root for 3-4 commands so it makes no sense to me to reverse the model
2020-01-27T08:32:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We'll be dropping perms 10 times as much
2020-01-27T08:32:20 #kisslinux <adamantium> su -l adam -c test_func
2020-01-27T08:32:22 #kisslinux <adamantium> works
2020-01-27T08:32:39 #kisslinux <adamantium> test_func() { whoami; }
2020-01-27T08:32:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It does not
2020-01-27T08:32:48 #kisslinux <adamantium> better test_func lol
2020-01-27T08:32:50 #kisslinux <monochromal> adamantium: i don't have sudo installed
2020-01-27T08:33:06 #kisslinux <adamantium> OK
2020-01-27T08:33:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/6t3f
2020-01-27T08:33:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also, we can't use '-l' with 'su'.
2020-01-27T08:33:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Spawning the shell as a login shell isn't what we want at all
2020-01-27T08:34:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> My .profile is partly interactive for example
2020-01-27T08:34:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And not intended to be run on every invocation of sh
2020-01-27T08:34:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (That doesn't work fyi)
2020-01-27T08:34:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> ./eofrun
2020-01-27T08:34:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> sh: test_func: Permission denied
2020-01-27T08:35:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (Trying to execute a file which doesn't exist)
2020-01-27T08:36:05 #kisslinux <monochromal> what are you trying to do btw?
2020-01-27T08:36:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Remove the endless password prompts
2020-01-27T08:37:34 #kisslinux <dzove855> you can do that it will e all installed in a TMPDIR during build and then everything will be moved at the and with su
2020-01-27T08:37:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dzove855: That won't work
2020-01-27T08:38:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The package manager sometimes needs to install a package directly before building another
2020-01-27T08:38:25 #kisslinux <dzove855> yeahh i know, but you can avoid it with a pseudo chroot
2020-01-27T08:38:47 #kisslinux <monochromal> how about install everything in the end
2020-01-27T08:38:56 #kisslinux <monochromal> wait no nvm
2020-01-27T08:39:18 #kisslinux <dzove855> for example you create a chroot with all the existing pacakges, and then you will install the new packages in the chroot env (which ou're of course inside) and then at the end you leave chroot and then just move it
2020-01-27T08:39:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That'll be very slow
2020-01-27T08:39:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It won't scale well either
2020-01-27T08:39:43 #kisslinux <dzove855> yep, it' horrible haha
2020-01-27T08:40:19 #kisslinux <adamantium> ok i got it
2020-01-27T08:40:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You'll also need root for this and I'll still have to hack around dropping permissions where needed
2020-01-27T08:40:31 #kisslinux <adamantium> function(){ whoami; }
2020-01-27T08:40:34 #kisslinux <monochromal> this is the issue only if a package has dependencies, right?
2020-01-27T08:40:36 #kisslinux <adamantium> export -f function
2020-01-27T08:40:38 #kisslinux <monochromal> and when updating as well
2020-01-27T08:40:47 #kisslinux <adamantium> su adam -c "sh -c function"
2020-01-27T08:40:52 #kisslinux <adamantium> boom
2020-01-27T08:40:57 #kisslinux <adamantium> head explode now
2020-01-27T08:41:17 #kisslinux <adamantium> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17926153/bash-run-function-with-different-user << CREDIT
2020-01-27T08:41:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Doesn't work
2020-01-27T08:41:43 #kisslinux <adamantium> i just tested it
2020-01-27T08:41:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> As did I
2020-01-27T08:41:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/hlqi
2020-01-27T08:42:13 #kisslinux <adamantium> export -f
2020-01-27T08:42:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh, I need to export it
2020-01-27T08:42:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's not posix shell
2020-01-27T08:42:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > /bin/sh: export: illegal option -f
2020-01-27T08:42:49 #kisslinux <adamantium> ah, i used bash version of sh with -e to test it
2020-01-27T08:43:01 #kisslinux <adamantium> poop
2020-01-27T08:43:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Trying to do it this way also means no access to globals
2020-01-27T08:44:29 #kisslinux <adamantium> Let's talk about theory more. Seems you don't like descalating from root back to the user anyways
2020-01-27T08:44:55 #kisslinux <adamantium> That's my vibe i'm picking up
2020-01-27T08:45:02 #kisslinux <adamantium> I don't want to force you to code stuff you don't like
2020-01-27T08:45:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't like it as root is needed far far less than user permissions are
2020-01-27T08:45:10 #kisslinux <adamantium> ;)
2020-01-27T08:45:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It seems backwards to me
2020-01-27T08:45:33 #kisslinux <adamantium> Wouldn't it be ideal, if we only needed root ONCE.
2020-01-27T08:45:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If we could run functions as another user it'd be a different story
2020-01-27T08:45:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-01-27T08:45:40 #kisslinux <adamantium> This to me is the problem
2020-01-27T08:45:46 #kisslinux <adamantium> The issue is not 100 times ask for root or 5 times
2020-01-27T08:45:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's what my second PR solves
2020-01-27T08:45:57 #kisslinux <adamantium> It should be once. Only once.
2020-01-27T08:46:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We need to investigate the implications of caching the password
2020-01-27T08:46:12 #kisslinux <adamantium> 5 times or 5000 times, are both totally equally, wrong
2020-01-27T08:46:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Exactly
2020-01-27T08:46:58 #kisslinux <adamantium> IMO
2020-01-27T08:47:04 #kisslinux <adamantium> I don't care who we start out as, root or regular user
2020-01-27T08:47:12 #kisslinux <adamantium> But only ask root ONCE
2020-01-27T08:47:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's what both PRs try to solve
2020-01-27T08:47:49 #kisslinux <adamantium> That said. ... Most distros require you to start as root with these types of tools, exception being some arch AUR helpers
2020-01-27T08:48:07 #kisslinux <adamantium> kiss reminds me of an arch aur helper in that way
2020-01-27T08:48:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> makepkg asks for root to run pacman too
2020-01-27T08:49:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Think of kiss as makepkg+pacman as one
2020-01-27T08:49:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's the build tool and package manager
2020-01-27T08:52:29 #kisslinux <adamantium> Right
2020-01-27T08:55:31 #kisslinux <adamantium> IMO the simplest way to solve is to require user to use kiss as root and build as a designated build user
2020-01-27T08:55:44 #kisslinux <adamantium> root hands off build operations from there.
2020-01-27T08:56:18 #kisslinux <adamantium> I could be wrong ! We can't even pipe functions through SU lol. How do we even do this
2020-01-27T08:56:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This works for calling the build script but doesn't for downloading sources etc etc etc
2020-01-27T08:56:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Exactly
2020-01-27T08:56:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hence why default to normal user is the only workable solution
2020-01-27T08:56:54 #kisslinux <adamantium> consider this, though
2020-01-27T08:57:10 #kisslinux <adamantium> Remember how my torched home directory permissions ended up rsyncing to my root filesystem?
2020-01-27T08:57:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-01-27T08:57:24 #kisslinux <adamantium> a designated build user would have avoided entire issue
2020-01-27T08:57:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That can't happen again regardless
2020-01-27T08:57:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not if the build user's permissions were borked too
2020-01-27T08:57:45 #kisslinux <adamantium> yeah but it's kinda like exception coding
2020-01-27T08:58:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This fully works now: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/pull/93/files
2020-01-27T08:58:39 #kisslinux <adamantium> the build users permissions shouldn't be borked because i (the borker) wouldn't be playing with them
2020-01-27T09:02:28 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: I admit I like this.
2020-01-27T09:02:38 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: Not sure of security implications
2020-01-27T09:02:54 #kisslinux <adamantium> s/of/if/go
2020-01-27T09:03:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Sorry, power went out
2020-01-27T09:03:10 #kisslinux <adamantium> oh snap
2020-01-27T09:03:17 #kisslinux <adamantium> I was just saying I like the code.
2020-01-27T09:03:23 #kisslinux <adamantium> Not sure if security implications
2020-01-27T09:03:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I saw in the logs
2020-01-27T09:04:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> One tiny bug to fix but it works
2020-01-27T09:04:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Just need to figure out the implications of doing it this way
2020-01-27T09:04:53 #kisslinux <adamantium> Another thing i'm wondering about is explicit depends, iirc it doesn't work very good kiss-orphans, but i haven't checked in a while
2020-01-27T09:05:30 #kisslinux <adamantium> I'm too busy writing emacs lisp to detect an internet connection and run hooks if it is connected
2020-01-27T09:05:52 #kisslinux <adamantium> https://termbin.com/h79u
2020-01-27T09:06:32 #kisslinux <adamantium> It will run in an asynchronous check loop, shortly
2020-01-27T09:09:07 #kisslinux <adamantium> here it is https://termbin.com/la9pd
2020-01-27T09:09:10 #kisslinux <adamantium> :D
2020-01-27T09:32:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> adamantium: This is done. https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/pull/93/files
2020-01-27T09:32:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Still not going to be merged of course.
2020-01-27T09:32:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I need to be 100% sure beforehand.
2020-01-27T09:33:24 #kisslinux <adamantium> sure
2020-01-27T09:33:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I changed it to ask for password only on first actual need of it
2020-01-27T09:34:36 #kisslinux <adamantium> cool can't wait to use it
2020-01-27T09:34:48 #kisslinux <adamantium> i'll test it tho
2020-01-27T09:34:51 #kisslinux <adamantium> right now.
2020-01-27T09:34:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Also, all instances of the package manager calling itself are gone
2020-01-27T09:35:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Hang on, I need to push a commit
2020-01-27T09:37:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> OK
2020-01-27T09:37:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Should be good in 1 sec
2020-01-27T09:37:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Yup
2020-01-27T09:37:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> This follows all of the same security practices that my shell password manager does fyi
2020-01-27T09:38:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> It's the same idea in the end regarding the password
2020-01-27T09:39:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Let me know your thoughts
2020-01-27T09:39:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I'll be back on in an hour or so
2020-01-27T09:46:07 #kisslinux <dzove855> actually, you could implement pash in kiss, so if a password exist in pass with the username, then it will use it, if not it will ask always
2020-01-27T09:46:19 #kisslinux <dzove855> nevermind, your fix seems fine. will test it tonight
2020-01-27T09:54:29 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylan ping me when you get back, found a prob
2020-01-27T10:03:34 #kisslinux <adamantium> apparently it's by design: The package manager sometimes needs to install a package directly before building another
2020-01-27T10:04:07 #kisslinux <adamantium> So we are trading robustness for speed in this case
2020-01-27T10:04:59 #kisslinux <adamantium> I wish we could have both
2020-01-27T10:30:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> adamantium: back
2020-01-27T10:30:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What do you mean?
2020-01-27T10:31:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's not a problem fyi
2020-01-27T10:32:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The behaviour hasn't changed, it just won't prompt 1000 times for a password
2020-01-27T10:50:18 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylanaraps: 5.5 finally here I can finally be free of GPU crash :)
2020-01-27T10:53:35 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: I'm aware it's a problem, i thought it was until I read your message, and figured out what was going on. It was the first time I just had noticed it, and it makes sense.
2020-01-27T10:53:41 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: I do wish that it didn'
2020-01-27T10:54:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: I can stop using the rc kernels now
2020-01-27T10:54:31 #kisslinux <adamantium> yeah nvm.
2020-01-27T10:54:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let me know what you think about it when you give it a test spin adamantium
2020-01-27T10:55:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Minus comments it actually makes the code smaller too
2020-01-27T10:55:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> By one line apparently. lol
2020-01-27T10:59:21 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: we should forbid run kiss as root now
2020-01-27T10:59:27 #kisslinux <adamantium> or no?
2020-01-27T10:59:48 #kisslinux <adamantium> atleast give a "this is not supported" warning
2020-01-27T11:07:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-01-27T11:07:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will do
2020-01-27T11:12:06 #kisslinux <adamantium> dylanaraps: one more "nice touch" would be: if the number of packages we are building > 1, then we know it's going to ask passwd, instead of making me wait, I would like to be asked the root passwd immediately, so that i can walk away and let it build
2020-01-27T11:13:24 #kisslinux <adamantium> (regarding kiss b)
2020-01-27T11:43:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gotcha
2020-01-27T11:45:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I will also add a 'KISS_NO_CACHE' (name pending) envar to turn off caching which will revert to the old behavior.
2020-01-27T11:50:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Actually, this will add more prompts
2020-01-27T11:52:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK
2020-01-27T11:52:57 #kisslinux <adamantium> *lol*
2020-01-27T11:54:17 #kisslinux <adamantium> e.g. Currently i've been compiling (via "kiss b" command) gcc for like 30 minutes, I've still YET to be asked my root password, and I know sooner or later it's going to ask me.................................. but i want to build everything. But what if i have to go to the grocerty store? I come home later and not everything is built.............. because kiss wants to know my damn password
2020-01-27T11:54:28 #kisslinux <adamantium> <3 software
2020-01-27T11:54:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This should be fixed now
2020-01-27T11:55:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> As of the latest commit this should be 100% one
2020-01-27T11:55:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> done*
2020-01-27T11:55:45 #kisslinux <adamantium> beautiful
2020-01-27T11:59:41 #kisslinux <adamantium> is there a way to get dunst up and running without dbus
2020-01-27T11:59:48 #kisslinux <icyphox> nope
2020-01-27T11:59:58 #kisslinux <adamantium> why not
2020-01-27T12:00:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can use lemonbar for notifications if you script it all yourself
2020-01-27T12:00:04 #kisslinux <adamantium> someone should make this
2020-01-27T12:00:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I used to do this
2020-01-27T12:00:16 #kisslinux <icyphox> oh yea, you can use a bar for notifs
2020-01-27T12:00:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> volume down hotkey -> spawn lemonbar with volume
2020-01-27T12:00:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> press it again -> kill old bar, spawn new one with new volume
2020-01-27T12:00:40 #kisslinux <icyphox> but that's pretty inefficient
2020-01-27T12:00:42 #kisslinux <icyphox> lol
2020-01-27T12:00:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It worked perfectly mind you :P
2020-01-27T12:01:13 #kisslinux <adamantium> i'll just make something to hijack notify-send and pipe it to emacsclient
2020-01-27T12:01:16 #kisslinux <adamantium> thanks anyways
2020-01-27T12:01:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> heh
2020-01-27T12:01:43 #kisslinux <adamantium> are you good at regex dylanaraps
2020-01-27T12:02:52 #kisslinux <adamantium> nvm
2020-01-27T12:03:04 #kisslinux <adamantium> i have more important things to do
2020-01-27T12:03:04 #kisslinux <adamantium> lol
2020-01-27T12:04:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> regex101.com
2020-01-27T12:31:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-01-27T12:55:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh god
2020-01-27T12:55:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> New qt5 release
2020-01-27T12:58:04 #kisslinux <dzove855> i did not have followed the whole conversation, but why does we need qt5 ?
2020-01-27T12:58:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's optional if you want to use qt5-webengine browsers
2020-01-27T12:59:01 #kisslinux <dzove855> aah okey, i thougt there was an other thing
2020-01-27T13:01:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> qt5-webengine also jumped to major Chromium releases
2020-01-27T13:01:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> In a minor release...
2020-01-27T13:09:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylanaraps: yeah the "temporary failure in name resolution" not going away with eiwd and latest ell doesn't happen at home but does on my unis enterprise network
2020-01-27T13:10:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Interesting
2020-01-27T13:10:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So it's an enterprise wpa bug
2020-01-27T13:15:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> also in falkon I just realized why PDF viewing stopped working for me, newly added option to enable it instead of having it always enabled and it defaults to off I guess
2020-01-27T13:16:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> but that's just for me cuz I'm on falkon git
2020-01-27T13:16:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> probably not yet added at all on the latest release I guess?
2020-01-27T13:18:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dunno
2020-01-27T13:22:48 #kisslinux <E5ten> but yeah if you could try backporting upstream changes that look important so I can see if that fixes it with latest ell I'd appreciate it
2020-01-27T13:23:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alrighty
2020-01-27T13:24:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've backported a whole bunch and left those which touch the ipc (which is unused for us anyway)
2020-01-27T13:24:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm a week or so behind though iirc
2020-01-27T13:27:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So far so good on the qt5 update
2020-01-27T13:28:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Haven't touched webengine yet though
2020-01-27T13:51:18 #kisslinux <E5ten> maybe instead of deleting the code that eiwd doesn't use it'd be easier to get an idea of where it's at compared to iwd in terms of what changes have been made upstream that haven't yet been backported if unused code was just gated with '#if 0' and '#endif', that's what they seem to do in elogind
2020-01-27T14:06:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: Yeah, I'll rebase my changes on master
2020-01-27T14:07:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > -> qt5-webengine Downloading sources
2020-01-27T14:07:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Every other qt5 package is done
2020-01-27T14:08:26 #kisslinux <E5ten> nice
2020-01-27T14:08:59 #kisslinux <E5ten> btw I'd recommend switching falkon to a git package, they update super infrequently so tons of changes just sit in master
2020-01-27T14:09:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, I might
2020-01-27T14:10:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's sad that development is so slow though it's kinda OK in its current state anyway
2020-01-27T14:10:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If I had umatrix level controls I'd be happy
2020-01-27T14:11:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mostly care about the pdf thing
2020-01-27T14:11:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> don't have a standalone pdf viewer so I need falkon to be able to view them
2020-01-27T14:11:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That'd be nice too
2020-01-27T14:12:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's in git
2020-01-27T14:12:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-01-27T14:12:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gotcha
2020-01-27T14:12:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will do when qt5-webengine is done
2020-01-27T14:12:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 13 231M 13 30.2M 0 0 91880 0 0:43:58 0:05:44 0:38:14 67376
2020-01-27T14:12:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 10/10 internet over here
2020-01-27T14:13:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 100KBps~ right now
2020-01-27T14:13:09 #kisslinux <E5ten> yike
2020-01-27T14:13:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> maybe worth switching to a git repo and using tags if so you don't have to download a whole webengine tarball on each update
2020-01-27T14:14:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Meh, it's fine. It's usually 2MBps
2020-01-27T14:14:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/255161/comments/28
2020-01-27T14:14:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > My wife has complained that open office will never print on Tuesdays
2020-01-27T14:15:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> I wish my Qt stuff didn't rely on the regex things I don't like having pcre even if it is bundled into qt5-base lol
2020-01-27T14:15:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-01-27T14:15:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> perl regex is a sin :(
2020-01-27T14:21:08 #kisslinux <adamantium> E5ten: were you an arch user, i think ive seen your handle in the AUR or something
2020-01-27T14:22:43 #kisslinux <E5ten> still am I'm not a kiss user I just like the ideas and want it to succeed
2020-01-27T14:24:54 #kisslinux <adamantium> Oh cool
2020-01-27T14:25:04 #kisslinux <adamantium> I confess I still use Arch a lot
2020-01-27T14:25:17 #kisslinux <adamantium> I do a lot of my work on kiss in a chroot from Arch
2020-01-27T14:27:17 #kisslinux <adamantium> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpXnEvW0XD0
2020-01-27T14:27:25 #kisslinux <adamantium> good vibes
2020-01-27T14:28:05 #kisslinux <E5ten> nice
2020-01-27T14:30:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylanaraps: lmk when the rebase is done so I can try it out
2020-01-27T14:34:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will do
2020-01-27T15:06:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> [7735/17423]
2020-01-27T15:06:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So far so good...
2020-01-27T15:06:51 #kisslinux <adamantium> How do you guys feel about "go"
2020-01-27T15:06:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> bad
2020-01-27T15:07:40 #kisslinux <adamantium> Well fuck go then
2020-01-27T15:07:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> heh
2020-01-27T15:08:38 #kisslinux <adamantium> i dont know a thing about it other than it has c-like syntax, use tabs not spaces, and emphasis on static binary, i thught it could be a glimmer of hope
2020-01-27T15:08:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> two major version bumps of chromium for a minor qt release >:(
2020-01-27T15:09:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't like languages with package managers
2020-01-27T15:09:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Causes dependency hell like npm, python, rust, etc
2020-01-27T15:09:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Because it's suddenly too easy to include other crap in your crap
2020-01-27T15:09:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> go pisses me off more than rust cuz it's GOPATH shit is so annoying
2020-01-27T15:09:53 #kisslinux <dzove855> +1
2020-01-27T15:09:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> its*
2020-01-27T15:10:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And the crap you include includes more crap
2020-01-27T15:10:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> and the rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper
2020-01-27T15:10:51 #kisslinux <adamantium> i can see that
2020-01-27T15:11:14 #kisslinux <adamantium> however
2020-01-27T15:11:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I think it was ripgrep that included 70~ crates
2020-01-27T15:11:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Whereas gnugrep needs basically nothing
2020-01-27T15:11:37 #kisslinux <adamantium> following your logic you no longer like shell script
2020-01-27T15:11:46 #kisslinux <adamantium> since it has a pkg manager called kiss
2020-01-27T15:11:53 #kisslinux <adamantium> well NAH lol
2020-01-27T15:11:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> what
2020-01-27T15:12:11 #kisslinux <adamantium> Ya time for me to get some sleep
2020-01-27T15:12:26 #kisslinux <adamantium> As soon as I typed that I was like, wait, no I'm wrong
2020-01-27T15:12:43 #kisslinux <dzove855> adamantium: well actualy.. https://github.com/bpkg/bpkg
2020-01-27T15:12:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> no it'd be like if you had scripts to build scripts that download scripts that are just functions and then concatenated them into one big script
2020-01-27T15:13:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> [9965/17423]
2020-01-27T15:13:09 #kisslinux <Shyiskhar> The language package managers never seem to play nice. The idea seems appealing 'cos it means your basically system agnostic, but they all seem to rely on certain things just being standard, and pretty often they're not.
2020-01-27T15:13:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> like someone packages a script of functions and your "shell makefile" or whatever is like ok grab that script I'm gonna use its functions
2020-01-27T15:16:03 #kisslinux <adamantium> yea i see
2020-01-27T15:17:40 #kisslinux <Shyiskhar> Also, I'm back, dylanaraps would you still like the strace for falkon? I did it the day you said it, and have been crazed ever since. Hah.
2020-01-27T15:17:50 #kisslinux <Shyiskhar> Dangit. two seconds too late.
2020-01-27T15:20:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Power went out
2020-01-27T15:20:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Apologies
2020-01-27T15:21:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Shyiskhar: Sure
2020-01-27T15:21:27 #kisslinux <Shyiskhar> You want me to email it to you? It's reasonably large.
2020-01-27T15:21:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Whatever is easiest for you
2020-01-27T15:22:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (dylan⊙go or dylan.araps⊙gc)
2020-01-27T15:23:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> almost at 10000/18370
2020-01-27T15:25:01 #kisslinux <Shyiskhar> Sent it to the getkiss address, since it seemed appropriate.
2020-01-27T15:26:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks
2020-01-27T15:26:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will take a look in a bit
2020-01-27T15:26:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> [11454/17423]
2020-01-27T15:31:24 #kisslinux <adamantium> <dylanaraps> Whereas gnugrep needs basically nothing <<
2020-01-27T15:31:54 #kisslinux <adamantium> I admit I REALLY enjoyed learning to build kiss packages / compiling all of the gnu packages
2020-01-27T15:32:12 #kisslinux <adamantium> It was educational for me, and a lot of fun, and not too painful.
2020-01-27T15:32:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> in fairness a dependency of developing GNU grep is a smooth brain so it's pretty non-portable
2020-01-27T15:32:41 #kisslinux <adamantium> Gnu gets ripped on in ways i'm not sure it alwayas deserves
2020-01-27T15:32:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> no it definitely does
2020-01-27T15:32:57 #kisslinux <adamantium> lol
2020-01-27T15:33:10 #kisslinux <adamantium> well fuck gnu then
2020-01-27T15:33:27 #kisslinux <E5ten> GNU grep has a build time option to add perl regex support using pcre, but pcre already ships with "pcregrep", literally grep with perl regex
2020-01-27T15:33:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> so to build their perl regex in grep support you need to install a thing that will already give you grep with perl regex support
2020-01-27T15:34:06 #kisslinux <E5ten> and pcregrep (I think it had a different name but it was the same thing) already existed when they added perl regex support to GNU grep
2020-01-27T15:34:09 #kisslinux <E5ten> so fucking brain dead
2020-01-27T15:41:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 10/10
2020-01-27T15:41:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> At least it's optional though
2020-01-27T15:46:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > From February onward, everyone, including open-source Qt users, will require valid Qt accounts to download Qt binary packages. We changed this because we think that a Qt account lets you make the best use of our services and contribute to Qt as an open-source user.
2020-01-27T15:46:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Awful
2020-01-27T15:48:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Starting with Qt 5.15, long term support (LTS) will only be available to commercial customers.
2020-01-27T15:51:43 #kisslinux <adamantium> lol
2020-01-27T15:52:10 #kisslinux <adamantium> at this rate i will be using ncurses forever
2020-01-27T15:52:12 #kisslinux <adamantium> :()
2020-01-27T15:52:19 #kisslinux <adamantium> and i dont even like ncurses
2020-01-27T15:53:09 #kisslinux <adamantium> I just can't stand either toolkit for different reasons
2020-01-27T15:53:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-01-27T15:55:04 #kisslinux <adamantium> I just setup fscrypt with ext4 on my Arch install and it's really cool
2020-01-27T15:55:20 #kisslinux <adamantium> it only requires ext4 and fscrypt (which google wrote in... GO)
2020-01-27T15:55:46 #kisslinux <adamantium> We should recommend this on kiss I think TBH it's way less hassle than full disk encrypt
2020-01-27T15:55:51 #kisslinux <adamantium> oh snap it requires pam nvm
2020-01-27T15:56:47 #kisslinux <adamantium> I wonder if you can build fscrypt sans pam support, though, because it has an option to just encrypt a directory without using pam
2020-01-27T15:56:54 #kisslinux <adamantium> "custom passphrase" option
2020-01-27T15:56:56 #kisslinux <dzove855> only if you want the protection via your passphrase
2020-01-27T15:57:56 #kisslinux <adamantium> it wouldn't be difficult to write a quick init script to ask your passphrase to unlock your home dir
2020-01-27T15:57:58 #kisslinux <adamantium> you dont need pam
2020-01-27T15:58:04 #kisslinux <adamantium> ext4 encryption is really cool
2020-01-27T15:58:43 #kisslinux <adamantium> it would literally be a one liner fscrypt unlock /home/foo in /etc/rc.d
2020-01-27T15:59:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mean sure that thing above about qt is awful but also who the fuck cares about being able to download upstream binaries lol
2020-01-27T15:59:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :^)
2020-01-27T15:59:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> qtwebengine is still building
2020-01-27T15:59:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> qt6 uses cmake!
2020-01-27T16:00:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No more qmake I believe
2020-01-27T16:00:32 #kisslinux <E5ten> thank god
2020-01-27T17:53:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> webengine is still building
2020-01-27T18:00:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> [13801/17423]
2020-01-27T18:00:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh god
2020-01-27T18:01:48 #kisslinux <E5ten> yikes mine finished a little while ago
2020-01-27T18:29:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm still on the _jumbos
2020-01-27T18:51:15 #kisslinux <VadPerevad> hi, guys! can you tell me, please, what is amazing wm with rounded corners on the screenshots all over the main site? https://getkiss.org/images/nestman01.jpg
2020-01-27T18:52:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's probably: https://github.com/dylanaraps/sowm
2020-01-27T18:53:01 #kisslinux <VadPerevad> i noticed sowm in the software list, and patch, that makes corners rounded, but it doesn't applying :(
2020-01-27T18:54:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It should apply as of the latest release.
2020-01-27T18:54:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See: https://github.com/dylanaraps/sowm-patches/blob/master/patches/sowm-rounded-corners-20200124-0e8cc9f.patch
2020-01-27T18:55:11 #kisslinux <VadPerevad> oh... I will try again, thank you, dylanaraps!
2020-01-27T18:55:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No problem
2020-01-27T18:57:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: [14387/17423]
2020-01-27T18:57:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Slow and steady
2020-01-27T18:57:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> >:(
2020-01-27T18:57:36 #kisslinux <E5ten> Getting there
2020-01-27T18:58:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thank god I don't need to add/rebase any patches
2020-01-27T19:00:41 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol yeah that'd suck
2020-01-27T19:01:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-61676
2020-01-27T19:02:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Descoped from Qt 5.14 due to Feature Freeze.
2020-01-27T19:02:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's hope maybe probably kinda
2020-01-27T19:05:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> that'd be so nice
2020-01-27T19:25:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dzove855: Added some comments to your PR
2020-01-27T19:25:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: I'm out of the Chromium portion!
2020-01-27T19:27:24 #kisslinux <dzove855> dylanaraps: ok i'm gonna correct it
2020-01-27T19:27:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-01-27T19:30:13 #kisslinux <KayW> howdy
2020-01-27T19:32:26 #kisslinux <dzove855> just commited
2020-01-27T19:33:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks
2020-01-27T19:33:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Merged
2020-01-27T19:34:45 #kisslinux <dzove855> thanks
2020-01-27T19:35:12 #kisslinux <KayW> wow i didnt realize the community repo had that many packages
2020-01-27T19:35:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylanaraps: nice
2020-01-27T19:36:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> [17422/17423]
2020-01-27T19:36:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Please link
2020-01-27T19:39:04 #kisslinux <dzove855> how do you guys got audio working on firefox? i try'd with alsa and apulse but still not any chance to get it working
2020-01-27T19:39:04 #kisslinux <dzove855> i'm using the binary provided
2020-01-27T19:39:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just ALSA
2020-01-27T19:39:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And it just works
2020-01-27T19:39:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Any errors in the terminal?
2020-01-27T19:40:17 #kisslinux <micro_O> o/
2020-01-27T19:40:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-01-27T19:40:31 #kisslinux <micro_O> so, looking for a way tworking for a way to make it easy rss-to-email
2020-01-27T19:40:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> qtwebengine is done... Just falkon remains
2020-01-27T19:40:39 #kisslinux <micro_O> so i can get alerts when my stuff is out of date
2020-01-27T19:41:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's a good idea
2020-01-27T19:41:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hm
2020-01-27T19:41:22 #kisslinux <micro_O> might use IFTTT because its easy
2020-01-27T19:41:26 #kisslinux <dzove855> dylanaraps: well i will reset my conf that i try'd and reproduce it with the about
2020-01-27T19:41:30 #kisslinux <micro_O> but i bet theres a decent cron one-liner
2020-01-27T19:41:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dzove855: Sound works in other programs?
2020-01-27T19:42:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Is your user a part of the audio group?
2020-01-27T19:49:14 #kisslinux <micro_O> hmm, found this https://github.com/Riduidel/rrss2imap
2020-01-27T19:50:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I found this one: https://github.com/skx/rss2email
2020-01-27T19:55:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: About that KArchive dependency... ;)
2020-01-27T19:55:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hang on
2020-01-27T19:55:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> nvm
2020-01-27T19:56:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I checked the logs
2020-01-27T20:01:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> nice
2020-01-27T20:02:17 #kisslinux <dzove855> dylanaraps: got it working, i just had setup the false soundcard, again my mistake of not thinking
2020-01-27T20:03:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-01-27T20:03:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All good
2020-01-27T20:04:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Falkon is done
2020-01-27T20:04:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Time for the big push
2020-01-27T20:04:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> sick
2020-01-27T20:05:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> My system is nice and fast again
2020-01-27T20:05:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -j5 slowed it to a crawl
2020-01-27T20:29:45 #kisslinux <E5ten> mforney: I know you said you were hesitant to add ninja's one-line printing thing to samurai because of the need for non-POSIX ioctl, but I made a patch that only enables it if on an OS known to have that ioctl (or if the user deliberately defines it in CFLAGS) and was wondering if limiting the feature to when the ioctl is available is enough that you'd add it despite it not being POSIX? http://ix.io/28wp
2020-01-27T20:49:40 #kisslinux <mforney> i'm very hesitant to add more #ifdefs, but i will think about it
2020-01-27T20:50:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> thanks
2020-01-27T20:54:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > The standard output of type contains information about each operand in an unspecified format.
2020-01-27T20:54:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Great
2020-01-27T20:54:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Is there no portable way of checking if for example, 'echo' is a builtin and not an external command?
2020-01-27T20:55:48 #kisslinux <E5ten> check if command -v has "/"s in it?
2020-01-27T20:55:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> like command -v <command> output I mean obviously
2020-01-27T20:56:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That could work
2020-01-27T20:56:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> why do you wanna check?
2020-01-27T20:56:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Long story
2020-01-27T20:57:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> I'm curious enough to read a long story :p
2020-01-27T20:57:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The great debate: 'echo |' vs '<<EOF' for password input over stdin.
2020-01-27T20:57:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The echo pipe method is 100% OK, *only* if echo is a built in. If it is not, it leaks the password ove /proc, ps, etc
2020-01-27T20:58:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> ah
2020-01-27T20:58:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The <<EOF method is *only* OK if the shell *doesn't* implement heredocs using temporary files.
2020-01-27T20:59:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> no way to check that one I'd assume right?
2020-01-27T20:59:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So, 'echo|' is #1 if echo is builtin (all sane shells). #2 is heredocs if echo is external
2020-01-27T21:00:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> even above that should be checking if printf is builtin cuz what if someone uses -n as a password :>)
2020-01-27T21:00:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> heredocs in sane shells use mkstemp() which is good
2020-01-27T21:00:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkstemp
2020-01-27T21:01:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You'd be looking at a super tiny window to try and capture it over heredocs.
2020-01-27T21:01:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And yes, printf would be nicer =)
2020-01-27T21:02:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> but yeah as far as I know case $(command -v printf/echo) in /) should consistently work for determining if it's builtin or not
2020-01-27T21:02:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-01-27T21:02:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm using it now
2020-01-27T21:03:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mrsh is the latest example of a posix shell not including echo/printf
2020-01-27T21:03:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> nice
2020-01-27T21:03:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I know posix doesn't state it as a mandatory built in
2020-01-27T21:03:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But most shells do it for performance
2020-01-27T21:03:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which makes a lot of sense
2020-01-27T21:03:50 #kisslinux <E5ten> would also be nice if there was a way you could determine how heredocs were implemented and if they do it using temp files error with something like "get a better shell fuckass"
2020-01-27T21:04:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ash does it with tmp files
2020-01-27T21:04:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> as does bash
2020-01-27T21:04:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :^)
2020-01-27T21:04:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They all seem to(?)
2020-01-27T21:04:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> what
2020-01-27T21:05:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/24755
2020-01-27T21:05:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Shell scripts refactoring and bash privacy leak. Heredoc should not be used in start-tor-browser script.
2020-01-27T21:05:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Great right?
2020-01-27T21:05:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> .......
2020-01-27T21:06:03 #kisslinux <E5ten> fun
2020-01-27T21:06:05 #kisslinux <E5ten> what about dash?
2020-01-27T21:08:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dash does not use temporary files from what I can see
2020-01-27T21:08:59 #kisslinux <E5ten> nice
2020-01-27T21:09:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let me check busybox
2020-01-27T21:09:33 #kisslinux <E5ten> I thought you said ash does?
2020-01-27T21:09:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I believe so
2020-01-27T21:09:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > 13688 lines
2020-01-27T21:09:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All in one file
2020-01-27T21:10:11 #kisslinux <E5ten> jesus
2020-01-27T21:10:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> landley (toybox guy) is trying to reimplement bash for toybox in I think it was 3k lines?
2020-01-27T21:10:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> would truly be an incredible feat if he pulls it off
2020-01-27T21:10:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ash is good too
2020-01-27T21:11:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> bash is evil
2020-01-27T21:11:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't mean bash like bug-for-bug like "bash uses temp files for heredocs so it will too" I mean the bash featureset
2020-01-27T21:11:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I know
2020-01-27T21:11:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I meant bash is evil as it uses temp files
2020-01-27T21:11:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> ah
2020-01-27T21:12:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It'll be crazy if he pulls it off
2020-01-27T21:12:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> I'd love it so much if he did that cuz bash is one of the few GNU things outside of glibc that I straight up cannot get rid of
2020-01-27T21:12:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though I don't know how much toybox "common" code it will use or already uses
2020-01-27T21:12:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So the 3k could be 3k + 10k toybox code :^)
2020-01-27T21:12:50 #kisslinux <E5ten> even if it's 3k lines + toybox common code that'd be crazy
2020-01-27T21:13:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-01-27T21:13:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> bash has a fuck ton of builtins though
2020-01-27T21:13:28 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mean I assume there will not be many or any builtins using that 3k lines cuz he'll just be calling the toybox commands
2020-01-27T21:13:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Some have to be internal
2020-01-27T21:13:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> like builtin shell things like mapfile yeah, but just normal builtins are already toybox
2020-01-27T21:13:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-01-27T21:13:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> well they are internal cuz they're part of toybox?
2020-01-27T21:14:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I hate how sleep is external in posix shells
2020-01-27T21:14:07 #kisslinux <E5ten> I assume he can reuse toybox commands without reexecing
2020-01-27T21:14:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-01-27T21:14:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Busybox does this even for 'su'
2020-01-27T21:17:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> wow dash's C seems to use a lot of GNU extensions (or I think more accurately frequently uses a few), doesn't negatively affect me at all but I'd like my small POSIX shell being written in POSIX code
2020-01-27T21:18:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Welcome to linux
2020-01-27T21:22:53 #kisslinux <dzove855> dylanaraps: did you found already a way to implement in birch for the input and output function t communicate together?
2020-01-27T21:23:23 #kisslinux <dzove855> i was thinking about i have done with the ignore command juste a little bit nicer with a tmp file and variables inside
2020-01-27T21:27:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have not
2020-01-27T21:27:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's tricky
2020-01-27T21:30:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/pull/93/files
2020-01-27T21:35:28 #kisslinux <E5ten> nice
2020-01-27T21:36:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/pull/93/commits/4f4d2200569283f468ea88d2dc4072d443b41d1b
2020-01-27T21:36:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> More "fixes"
2020-01-27T21:36:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> '[' can be external
2020-01-27T21:36:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Love the shell
2020-01-27T21:37:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> '$pass' is only ever used once now (to actually send it to 'su') which is guarded by builtin printf/heredocs.
2020-01-27T22:02:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/pull/93/files
2020-01-27T22:02:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I think this book is done
2020-01-27T22:14:17 #kisslinux <aarng> looks solid
2020-01-27T22:15:18 #kisslinux <aarng> also just fyi, kornshell seems to use mkstemp and has no built in printf
2020-01-27T22:15:30 #kisslinux <aarng> well, openbsds kornshell, haven't looked at the others
2020-01-27T22:17:40 #kisslinux <konimex> mksh also doesn't have any built-in printf iirc
2020-01-27T22:18:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The next fallback would be to disable caching for those shells.
2020-01-27T22:18:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The only issue is detecting whether or not heredocs are implemented using temporary files
2020-01-27T22:19:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This only affects kiss if those shells are /bin/sh fyi..
2020-01-27T22:19:30 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I dont think it's worth all the trouble
2020-01-27T22:19:35 #kisslinux <aarng> printf detenction is good enough
2020-01-27T22:19:43 #kisslinux <aarng> detection*
2020-01-27T22:21:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't think mksh uses a temporary file for heredocs
2020-01-27T22:21:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just checked the source
2020-01-27T22:21:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > /* temp/heredoc files. The file is removed when the struct is freed. */
2020-01-27T22:21:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or it does
2020-01-27T22:22:16 #kisslinux <aarng> https://github.com/dimkr/loksh/blob/a6f91882e4d585d12845c58d48c38c85a6f72172/io.c#L453
2020-01-27T22:22:20 #kisslinux <aarng> heres loksh
2020-01-27T22:23:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Experimentally, on Debian jessie, dash, bash, mksh and zsh load a 130kB here document into memory
2020-01-27T22:23:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > whereas ksh93 copies 64kB chunks without allocating more memory.
2020-01-27T22:23:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We may be safe regardless as it is a single line string
2020-01-27T22:24:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> At least they all use mkstemp()
2020-01-27T22:24:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Even if the shell fails at printf/heredocs, the window is so tiny that I have doubts it's even exploitable
2020-01-27T22:32:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> Hey Dylan! What's stopping us from having modules loaded at boot?
2020-01-27T22:33:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nothing
2020-01-27T22:34:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Unless you mean automatically in which case it's a little trickier
2020-01-27T22:34:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And by automatically, I mean automatic detection
2020-01-27T22:34:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> Hum
2020-01-27T22:34:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS does modules backwards to other distributions by default
2020-01-27T22:35:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You specify which modules you would like loaded
2020-01-27T22:35:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Instead of blacklisting those which shouldn't automatically load
2020-01-27T22:35:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A whitelist instead of a blacklist basically
2020-01-27T22:36:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> Right! Which I like
2020-01-27T22:37:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylanaraps: wait why do you just check printf and not printf and then echo and then fall back to heredocs?
2020-01-27T22:37:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This method also leaves you knowing exactly which modules have loaded
2020-01-27T22:37:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I guess my real issue is that I have wl being loaded in my inittab, and then a file wifi.boot in /etc/rc.d, but it can't see my wireless card until after I login. So I guess I am asking, why
2020-01-27T22:37:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: If there is no printf, chances are there is no echo
2020-01-27T22:37:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> I guess cuz even if heredocs leak that's preferable to there being theoretical input that could just 100% break the script?
2020-01-27T22:37:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> Not strictly this distro I've only used systemd for the last three years and I've never learned other inits
2020-01-27T22:38:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilyn: It might take your card a little time to start up.
2020-01-27T22:39:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilyn: You can load the module earlier by putting 'modprobe bla' in /etc/rc.conf instead.
2020-01-27T22:39:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This file is loaded sooner at boot.
2020-01-27T22:39:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: The script can't break. It's a leakage issue
2020-01-27T22:39:58 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mean as a reason not to use echo
2020-01-27T22:40:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> That was my guess as well - glad to know I'm thinking of this right
2020-01-27T22:40:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: Ah, gotcha
2020-01-27T22:40:26 #kisslinux <E5ten> cuz if someone (stupid) made a password that's like "-n" or "-e" or "-E" that breaks the script in an unavoidable way if that echo accepts those
2020-01-27T22:40:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilyn: Typically an initramfs would load everything even sooner
2020-01-27T22:41:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: Yeah
2020-01-27T22:41:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilyn: Your other option is to get rid of the module and compile it into the kernel itself.
2020-01-27T22:41:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The kernel will then load it automatically and as early as possible.
2020-01-27T22:42:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> for the password shouldn't you IFS='' because of the possibility of the password ending or starting in whitespace?
2020-01-27T22:42:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> I was thinking I could do that, but I'm not sure how I would get it in there
2020-01-27T22:42:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> are whitespace containing passwords even allowed?
2020-01-27T22:42:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilyn: Set it as '[*]' in menuconfig instead of '[m]'.
2020-01-27T22:42:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though, if it has firmware blobs alongside it, these must be compiled into the kernel as well.
2020-01-27T22:42:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: Good catch
2020-01-27T22:43:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> It's the broadcom-wl driver which isn't an option in the kernel
2020-01-27T22:43:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> Unless I can add it in, I'm just building it and putting it where it should be
2020-01-27T22:43:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah, gotcha.
2020-01-27T22:44:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: Spaces are allowed
2020-01-27T22:44:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> God
2020-01-27T22:44:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also............... Enter, Esc, etc
2020-01-27T22:46:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> busybox passwd checks for n, r, EOL, etc though
2020-01-27T22:46:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Like shell's read
2020-01-27T22:50:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What's nice about this kiss change is that less of the package manager runs as root now.
2020-01-27T22:50:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The entirety of 'pkg_install()'/'pkg_remove()' ran as root.
2020-01-27T22:50:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Now it's only the operations which actually need it.
2020-01-27T22:52:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: Here we go again https://cacheoutattack.com/
2020-01-27T23:08:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> nighty night