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Hi All There is (or was) a page on vestigial Gemini on wikipedia that various people have contributed to - perhaps you are on this mailing list and can comment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) Recently I noticed it has been removed or relegated to a draft page only, stating it does not cite any reliable sources and thus Wikipedia does not consider that Gemini (protocol) does not meet the notability criteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gemini_(protocol) It seems a useful page to have up, particularly for newcomers. Is there a fix for this? Regards - Luke
On 2020-10-23 (Friday) at 09:07, Luke Emmet <luke at marmaladefoo.com> wrote: > Hi All > > There is (or was) a page on vestigial Gemini on wikipedia that various > people have contributed to - perhaps you are on this mailing list and > can comment. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) > > Recently I noticed it has been removed or relegated to a draft page > only, stating it does not cite any reliable sources and thus Wikipedia > does not consider that Gemini (protocol) does not meet the notability > criteria > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gemini_(protocol) > > It seems a useful page to have up, particularly for newcomers. Is there > a fix for this? > > Regards > > - Luke > It looks like the page needs more citations, from "reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic" --- so if we could find (or rustle up) articles on other sites *about* gemini, that might help. I'm not very versed in Wikipedia's guidelines, but maybe these? https://samsai.eu/post/introduction-to-gemini/ https://www.susa.net/wordpress/2020/06/gemini-protocol-markup/ Etc.... If anyone has in-roads at like, Wired or another magazine (maybe Low-Tech Magazine would be interested?), that'd be dope. -- ~ acdw acdw.net | breadpunk.club/~breadw
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 5:07 AM Luke Emmet <luke at marmaladefoo.com> wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gemini_(protocol) > > It seems a useful page to have up, particularly for newcomers. Is there > a fix for this? > Fixing the *article* can never change the notability of the *topic*. A topic is not notable unless it is described or discussed in multiple independent reliable sources -- independent not only of each other but of the inventor(s) and their fans. The only way to make that happen is to do things like write an article that gets published in a scholarly journal (not one that publishes indiscriminately) or arrange for detailed coverage in a well-known newspaper or magazine or their Web equivalents. Generally speaking, blog posts by randoms do not count as such sources. < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Overview> < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources#Why_independent _sources_are_required > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20201023/5ca5 f74d/attachment.htm>
Hey everybody, I just posted on the talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Gemini_(protocol) but I'll quote what I put there: > This article has one source (the gemini homepage), but there are lots > of available sources. Using Wikipedia's suggested search of "Gemini" > protocol -Wikipedia, I turned up: [1], [2], [3], and [4]. Also, > looking at Gopher's article[5] as an example, you can cite links to > the project pages/repos when necessary in the "Notes" section in [6]. > I could add the things I linked here to the article if everyone wants. [1]: https://www.susa.net/wordpress/2020/06/gemini-protocol-markup/ [2]: https://www.gkbrk.com/wiki/Gemini/ [3]: https://samsai.eu/post/introduction-to-gemini/ [4]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23042424 [5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_(protocol)#Web_browsers [6]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gemini_(protocol)#Browsers I'm probably just going to make those changes, but if anyone has any additional links it'd only make the article better to add them. I think with these though it should at least make it a *candidate* for publishing. If anyone has any exemplary links in geminispace itself, those would be good to add to "External Links" but I don't think wikipedia likes cross-scheme stuff in references. Thanks, Alex -- Alex // nytpu alex at nytpu.com GPG Key: https://www.nytpu.com/files/pubkey.asc Key fingerprint: 43A5 890C EE85 EA1F 8C88 9492 ECCD C07B 337B 8F5B https://useplaintext.email/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20201023/2160 0139/attachment.sig>
On 10/23/20 4:04 PM, Alex // nytpu wrote: > but if anyone has any > additional links it'd only make the article better I'm not sure it qualifies for what Wikipedia needs, but I do have a "What is Gemini?" video on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoEI6VzybDk
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