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[2023-10-05T10:24:28Z] <sewn> hji [2023-10-05T10:24:32Z] <sewn> hi [2023-10-05T12:39:27Z] <sad_plan> hi [2023-10-05T13:02:24Z] <vova> hi [2023-10-05T14:46:43Z] <vova> You are all using wayland, or someone went (or just didn't move from) X ? [2023-10-05T14:46:57Z] <sad_plan> I use tinyx [2023-10-05T14:47:10Z] <vova> Why don't use wayland ? [2023-10-05T14:47:14Z] <vova> Not a critic [2023-10-05T14:47:45Z] <vova> I like wayland, but like you need pipewire to do screenshot etc, it's fucking sad [2023-10-05T14:47:48Z] <vova> X was simpler [2023-10-05T14:48:11Z] <sad_plan> meh, ive not yet found a wm that I like [2023-10-05T14:48:30Z] <sad_plan> im in no hurry in switching anyway so [2023-10-05T14:48:55Z] <sad_plan> I know of spkp, but its broken beyond my ability to fix [2023-10-05T14:49:26Z] <sad_plan> I also happen to like that tinyx doesnt require mesa. so initially, I just dont require that much stuff [2023-10-05T14:50:10Z] <vova> Yeah understandable and I guess X won't die anyways, there's some active fork like the OpenBSD one [2023-10-05T14:50:18Z] <vova> IIRC NetBSD also has its own X fork [2023-10-05T14:50:43Z] <sad_plan> yeah, xenocara is cool. but ive never got it to work. it did build, but it never launched for me. [2023-10-05T14:50:45Z] <sad_plan> do they? [2023-10-05T14:51:00Z] <vova> Yeah NetBSD has it's own "modular" X fork [2023-10-05T14:52:09Z] <vova> sad_plan: what repo do you use for X stuff [2023-10-05T14:52:12Z] <sad_plan> but its already somewhat modular, so I dont get the deal [2023-10-05T14:52:17Z] <sad_plan> my own, or kiss-xorg [2023-10-05T14:52:22Z] <sad_plan> s/or/and [2023-10-05T14:53:23Z] <vova> The X.org X11 Server from the modularized source tree of [2023-10-05T14:53:25Z] <vova> X.org X11. [2023-10-05T14:53:27Z] <vova> https://pkgsrc.se/x11/modular-xorg-server [2023-10-05T14:53:37Z] <vova> my bad it's not a fork it seems [2023-10-05T14:54:37Z] <sad_plan> very well then [2023-10-05T15:30:20Z] <sewn> vova: you need pipewire for screensharing not screenshotting [2023-10-05T15:31:38Z] <vova> yeah my bad [2023-10-05T15:31:44Z] <vova> But you see what I mean [2023-10-05T15:31:58Z] <vova> pipewire for screensharing, for accessing webcam and so on, it's sad [2023-10-05T15:32:01Z] <vova> X you need nothing [2023-10-05T15:34:20Z] <sewn> in my eyes the difference between X and wayland is that wayland is core and all features are external (like screensharing, compositing, input, etc) while X is a big monolithic do-all [2023-10-05T15:34:45Z] <vova> Yeah but that's the issue [2023-10-05T15:34:55Z] <sewn> most applications want easier route for screensharing for wayland so they go with dbus, then the portal wlroots which itself needs pipewire [2023-10-05T15:34:57Z] <vova> why the fuck do you need pipewire if you just want to screenshare [2023-10-05T15:35:28Z] <sewn> because wayland doesn't provide it [2023-10-05T15:35:32Z] <vova> like what if I want to use alsa for the sound, I'm still forced to use pipewire [2023-10-05T15:36:05Z] <sewn> then dont screenshare [2023-10-05T15:37:34Z] <vova> :( [2023-10-05T15:37:41Z] <vova> pipewire is the new systemd [2023-10-05T15:37:51Z] <vova> bloatware [2023-10-05T15:38:13Z] <sewn> atleast pipewire gives you some form of freedom and control over all of its modules and such, can disable dbus if needed [2023-10-05T15:38:31Z] <vova> Yeah but still too big [2023-10-05T15:38:32Z] <sewn> i use pipewire to have the ability to easily switch audio devices [2023-10-05T15:39:12Z] <sewn> and also most applications dont support bare ALSA [2023-10-05T15:39:21Z] <sewn> atleast that i use [2023-10-05T15:43:36Z] <sad_plan> tinyalsa and alsa-lib is all that I need. ive been trying to rid myself of alsa-lib though, and just use sndio/tinyalsa, but ive yet to get it to work [2023-10-05T15:44:29Z] <sewn> sad_plan: doesnt sndio on linux simply run as compatibility layer for ALSA? or does linux support sndio natively [2023-10-05T15:44:41Z] <sewn> ive used sndio on openbsd and i can say its better than alsa AND pipewire by miles [2023-10-05T15:48:17Z] <sad_plan> im not sure actually tbh. I seem to recall I got it working once, but then I rebuilt my system, and Ive never gotten it to work after that [2023-10-05T15:48:42Z] <sad_plan> sndio is supported on linux. no patches is afaik required [2023-10-05T15:51:01Z] <sewn> that sounds cool [2023-10-05T15:53:23Z] <sad_plan> sure [2023-10-05T15:54:50Z] <sad_plan> on their website, it states its actually a server. and so is alsa-lib's aserver. so.. I would assume it would be possible. I dunno.