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[2023-03-15T02:58:05Z] <sewn> Hi
[2023-03-15T03:17:23Z] <testuser[m]123> Hi
[2023-03-15T03:26:49Z] <Rohan_02> Hi
[2023-03-15T03:44:42Z] <midfavila> do any of you guys have your mesa configured to provide a libGLU?
[2023-03-15T03:48:02Z] <midfavila> ...well, I assume it's from Mesa, because libGL*
[2023-03-15T03:51:38Z] <midfavila> ...nope, it's its own thing, fair enough. rip
[2023-03-15T03:51:52Z] <midfavila> (working on packaging ToME4 for kiss-games)
[2023-03-15T04:02:00Z] <shokara> libglu is from freeglut I tihnkg
[2023-03-15T04:02:01Z] <shokara> think
[2023-03-15T05:02:39Z] <midfavila> http://0x0.st/H-KH.png
[2023-03-15T05:02:39Z] <midfavila> ta-da
[2023-03-15T05:33:29Z] <sewn> can one play cs 1.6 without steam
[2023-03-15T06:39:11Z] <midfavila> >mfw Xine is able to play muh anime better than ffplay
[2023-03-15T06:39:18Z] <midfavila> maybe i should take my own advice more often geez
[2023-03-15T06:39:29Z] <midfavila> friendship over with ffplay, xine is best media player now
[2023-03-15T06:42:28Z] <midfavila> http://0x0.st/H-Ke.png
[2023-03-15T06:43:50Z] <midfavila> for whatever reason xine absolutely *chugs* on mpeg4 files though
[2023-03-15T06:44:09Z] <midfavila> at least when it comes to getting audio out
[2023-03-15T06:48:27Z] <drez> Oh Xine is sweet too
[2023-03-15T06:48:39Z] <drez> I tried it once
[2023-03-15T06:49:12Z] <drez> midfavila so you're still on KISS?
[2023-03-15T06:49:35Z] <midfavila> i tried slackware but compared to kiss it's just cumbersome
[2023-03-15T06:49:40Z] <midfavila> kiss has really spoiled me
[2023-03-15T06:49:45Z] <midfavila> that vacation lasted a long time = w=
[2023-03-15T06:50:15Z] <drez> KISS is honestly really hard to beat
[2023-03-15T06:50:25Z] <drez> Despite any difficulties
[2023-03-15T06:50:58Z] <drez> It's so good that it's a pleasure to deal with its issues
[2023-03-15T06:58:02Z] <midfavila> less that and more i'm already familiar with my system and everything running on it
[2023-03-15T06:58:07Z] <midfavila> or, well, most of what's running on it
[2023-03-15T06:58:50Z] <drez> Which is arguably easier to achieve on KISS than Slackware
[2023-03-15T07:01:50Z] <midfavila> no arguably about it, it's absolutely easier
[2023-03-15T07:01:58Z] <midfavila> if i don't want it, it's not on my KISS setup
[2023-03-15T07:02:07Z] <midfavila> slackware, you just install everything and hope for the best
[2023-03-15T07:02:32Z] <drez> Same on almost every distro really
[2023-03-15T07:02:48Z] <drez> Even Gentoo or Exherbo
[2023-03-15T07:03:16Z] <midfavila> christ
[2023-03-15T07:03:17Z] <drez> Lots of stuff that can fly under your nose
[2023-03-15T07:03:17Z] <midfavila> i just realized
[2023-03-15T07:03:20Z] <midfavila> it's 0400
[2023-03-15T07:03:27Z] <drez> :D
[2023-03-15T07:03:51Z] <midfavila> think i'm gonna finish watching this documentary and then sleeb
[2023-03-15T07:04:07Z] <midfavila> "out of the cradle" - really interesting little documentary about the evolution of modern man
[2023-03-15T07:07:48Z] <midfavila> lmao i like how my browser on its own uses more CPU and memory at idle than the rest of my running programs combined
[2023-03-15T14:19:36Z] <Rohan_02> hey guys
[2023-03-15T14:20:58Z] <Rohan_02> someone have this error while build sway?
[2023-03-15T14:21:11Z] <Rohan_02> https://termbin.com/zxu6
[2023-03-15T14:29:29Z] <shokara> is wlroots up to date?
[2023-03-15T14:29:48Z] <Rohan_02> yup
[2023-03-15T14:29:48Z] <shokara> maybe this "implicit" function call is only found in a recent version of wlroots
[2023-03-15T14:29:59Z] <shokara> idk though since I'm using X
[2023-03-15T14:31:12Z] <Rohan_02> strange that all the packages are updated
[2023-03-15T14:31:37Z] <Rohan_02> but i rebuilded and now i get this
[2023-03-15T14:31:45Z] <shokara> nvm for wlroots being up to date because that should've been reflected in the meson file
[2023-03-15T14:32:04Z] <shokara> i.e. failing at the configure stage
[2023-03-15T17:48:42Z] * sewn uploaded an image: (23KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/envs.net/a3fa6ad6748d2f8ef85baf7286438ce2e4cdf967/image.png >
[2023-03-15T17:48:44Z] <sewn> why is this possible
[2023-03-15T18:47:55Z] <shokara_> midfavila: hey, do you know if a patch is already available for using bearssl in links? if not, I'm thinking of trying that within a couple days
[2023-03-15T18:48:14Z] <midfavila> to my knowledge it's not a thing yet
[2023-03-15T18:48:23Z] <shokara_> ok
[2023-03-15T18:48:41Z] <midfavila> i looked at the codebase of links1 at the least and it "only" references OpenSSL functions ~60-70 times if memory serves
[2023-03-15T18:48:45Z] <shokara_> since curl already can use bearssl, I want to switch more of my programs to use it as well
[2023-03-15T18:48:56Z] <midfavila> suggestion: if you're going to try to patch links to use bearssl, try to patch it to use libtls instead
[2023-03-15T18:49:09Z] <shokara_> libtls from libressl?
[2023-03-15T18:49:24Z] <shokara_> I could do that too, but may I ask why?
[2023-03-15T18:49:37Z] <midfavila> yes. because libtls can sit atop any number of TLS libraries
[2023-03-15T18:49:48Z] <shokara_> oh, didn't know that
[2023-03-15T18:49:51Z] <midfavila> mhm
[2023-03-15T18:49:55Z] <shokara_> that's actually quite nice
[2023-03-15T18:49:56Z] <midfavila> bearssl has a libtls from mcf
[2023-03-15T18:50:02Z] <shokara_> I'll do that instead then, thanks
[2023-03-15T18:50:10Z] <midfavila> apportate uses libtls and can build and link against libre, open, and bear as a result
[2023-03-15T18:51:09Z] <midfavila> also wow holy shit it's wild how like
[2023-03-15T18:51:15Z] <midfavila> actually eating makes you not feel like death
[2023-03-15T18:51:44Z] <midfavila> *apparently* i'm supposed to be consuming a minimum of 3200kcal a day, and i've been getting like half of that for months
[2023-03-15T18:53:54Z] <shokara_> I thought 2000 is the average intake you're supposed to get
[2023-03-15T18:54:24Z] <shokara_> but true, I like eating
[2023-03-15T18:55:35Z] <midfavila> 2k is the average of the BMRs between a healthy male and a healthy female 
[2023-03-15T18:55:41Z] <midfavila> afaik anyway
[2023-03-15T18:56:09Z] <midfavila> but different individuals have different needs according to activity level, body composition, size, and a host of other factors
[2023-03-15T18:56:21Z] <shokara_> ah
[2023-03-15T18:56:28Z] <shokara_> that makes sense
[2023-03-15T18:57:21Z] <midfavila> reminds me that i need to get a pedometer
[2023-03-15T18:57:45Z] <shokara_> so you can see how far you're away from tim cook? :D
[2023-03-15T18:57:55Z] <midfavila> funnee
[2023-03-15T18:57:57Z] <midfavila> https://www.crowdsupply.com/oddly-specific-objects/sensor-watch
[2023-03-15T18:58:01Z] <midfavila> been looking at this for a while
[2023-03-15T18:58:30Z] <shokara_> looks like a nicer pinewatch
[2023-03-15T18:58:37Z] <shokara_> (pinetime?)
[2023-03-15T18:58:42Z] <midfavila> pinetime
[2023-03-15T18:58:59Z] <midfavila> i don't like smartwatches because they're just... they're just fucking stupid
[2023-03-15T18:59:24Z] <shokara_> agreed
[2023-03-15T18:59:37Z] <shokara_> and I don't like the idea of having to charge a watch everyday
[2023-03-15T18:59:38Z] <midfavila> like you have something with equivalent computational capability to a computer from ~20-30 years ago on your wrist and yet you can't do shit with it because it outsources everything to your smartphone
[2023-03-15T18:59:45Z] <shokara_> at least that's what I'm seeing apple watch users doing
[2023-03-15T18:59:59Z] <midfavila> all i want is a watch that tells the time, maybe the ambient temperature, counts steps, etc without bluetooth or wifi 
[2023-03-15T19:00:10Z] <shokara_> my dad for example still has an iphone he doesn't use because he likes his apple watch...
[2023-03-15T19:00:15Z] <shokara_> I dungeddit
[2023-03-15T19:00:55Z] <shokara_> anyways, can this basically be used to mod an existing casio f91w?
[2023-03-15T19:01:00Z] <midfavila> yeap
[2023-03-15T19:01:03Z] <shokara_> great
[2023-03-15T19:01:20Z] <shokara_> I really like the f91w
[2023-03-15T19:01:26Z] <midfavila> turn your terrorist watch into a terroristor watch
[2023-03-15T20:25:45Z] <Ellowee[m]> <shokara_> "I dungeddit" <- Don't ask, Consoom product, get excited for next product
[2023-03-15T20:26:58Z] <shokara_> but the differences in apple products are so minimal these days
[2023-03-15T20:26:58Z] <shokara_> uh years
[2023-03-15T20:38:14Z] <midfavila> turns out that athena *does* in fact support submenus
[2023-03-15T20:38:22Z] <midfavila> got that mostly figured out this morning
[2023-03-15T20:38:25Z] <shokara_> nice
[2023-03-15T20:38:30Z] <shokara_> I think emacs uses that
[2023-03-15T20:38:44Z] <midfavila> purrhaps
[2023-03-15T20:38:50Z] <midfavila> apparently xedit does
[2023-03-15T20:39:06Z] <midfavila> looking at this *single fucking changelog entry from 1999* that's as far as I can tell the *only* actual documentation about this
[2023-03-15T20:39:29Z] <midfavila> for whatever reason though parent menus don't pass focus to child menus, at least by default
[2023-03-15T20:40:33Z] <midfavila> need to write motif-style docs for athena at some point
[2023-03-15T20:40:49Z] <shokara_> ok that's annoying
[2023-03-15T20:41:06Z] <midfavila> yeah there's no documentation for athena
[2023-03-15T20:41:28Z] <midfavila> aside from the comments at the start of some of the header files and a C API description that hasn't been touched since the early 90s at best
[2023-03-15T20:49:40Z] <midfavila> man
[2023-03-15T20:49:53Z] <midfavila> xine's stuttering when it comes to mpeg4 audio decoding is just insane for me
[2023-03-15T20:50:24Z] <midfavila> i want to *say* it's a buffering issue but adjusting the size of the buffers doesn't seem to do anything, and i've fiddled with every other option I can find. blah