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[2023-01-11T00:23:28Z] <phoebos> https://tmp.bvnf.space/kisslinux.pdf
[2023-01-11T00:23:37Z] <phoebos> ^ because i have nothing better to do /s
[2023-01-11T00:24:16Z] <niceguy5000[m]> is kiss dying?
[2023-01-11T00:24:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> that's a decrease of 90% per day.
[2023-01-11T00:40:01Z] <Ellowee[m]> <phoebos> "https://tmp.bvnf.space/kisslinux..." <- Needs more popularity
[2023-01-11T00:41:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> What we can do is change to systemd, I heard is very popular.
[2023-01-11T00:41:40Z] <Ellowee[m]> No micro&soft trojan
[2023-01-11T00:41:52Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it's a virus?
[2023-01-11T00:50:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> does steam flatpak works in kiss linux?
[2023-01-11T00:50:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Can you play games?
[2023-01-11T01:04:26Z] <phoebos> kiss doesn't "need more popularity"
[2023-01-11T01:15:43Z] <ioraff> looks better than I expected for the last few months
[2023-01-11T01:20:09Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Is kiss the best source distro?
[2023-01-11T01:20:36Z] <ioraff> in my completely unbiased opinion, yes
[2023-01-11T01:24:32Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2023-01-11T01:37:45Z] <shokara_> I haven't personally used KISS, but it seems much better than my previous favourite distro CRUX. (and it has the same name as that band too :D)
[2023-01-11T01:39:25Z] <shokara_> "does steam flatpak works in kiss linux?" if you get glibc working maybe. foss games and proprietary vidya that are bytecode(?) (e.g. on java or haxe like minecraft and dead cells) should run fine on kiss.
[2023-01-11T02:18:46Z] <testuser[m]> shokara_: flatpak works on musl
[2023-01-11T02:18:54Z] <testuser[m]> Cuz it's just another distro
[2023-01-11T02:18:56Z] <testuser[m]> Under your distro
[2023-01-11T02:22:20Z] <Ellowee[m]> Steam ran like crap with flatpak
[2023-01-11T03:05:54Z] <wael_> Hi
[2023-01-11T03:05:58Z] <wael_> <Ellowee[m]> "Steam ran like crap with flatpak" <- I disagree
[2023-01-11T03:06:16Z] <wael_> For me it ran nearly as good as steam with native multilib 
[2023-01-11T03:10:01Z] <Ellowee[m]> >native multilib
[2023-01-11T03:10:01Z] <Ellowee[m]> I didn't have (native) multilib, maybe thaT's why
[2023-01-11T03:18:59Z] <niceguy5000[m]> can you install wine in flatpak?
[2023-01-11T03:19:19Z] <wael_> Yes
[2023-01-11T03:19:31Z] <wael_> I tried using it and it worked quite well
[2023-01-11T03:19:37Z] <wael_> Although the wine version is old
[2023-01-11T03:19:55Z] <niceguy5000[m]> whoa that's cool. 
[2023-01-11T03:20:03Z] <wael_> Its hidden by default
[2023-01-11T03:20:10Z] <wael_> Its called org.WineHQ.Wine
[2023-01-11T03:20:55Z] <wael_> Ellowee: what I mean is the lib32 multilib stuff for kiss
[2023-01-11T03:21:05Z] <wael_> Flatpak should already provide this though
[2023-01-11T03:21:40Z] <wael_> System -> Flatpak (GL32) -> Steam Runtime
[2023-01-11T03:21:40Z] <wael_> I love 
[2023-01-11T03:21:53Z] <wael_> Distro within distro within distro
[2023-01-11T03:22:55Z] <illiliti> what if kernel does not support lib32
[2023-01-11T03:22:59Z] <illiliti> would it still work
[2023-01-11T03:23:03Z] <wael_> No
[2023-01-11T03:23:23Z] <wael_> Probably not
[2023-01-11T03:24:40Z] <wael_> I need to try to get minecraft running ngl
[2023-01-11T03:25:22Z] <wael_> I have steam working (although steam launchers are broken and do not set correct library paths; but games do work!!), and wine working
[2023-01-11T03:38:31Z] <Ellowee[m]> <wael_> "Ellowee: what I mean is the lib3..." <- I didn't install it, maybe that's why it ran like crap
[2023-01-11T03:38:54Z] <wael_> Even if you did the flatpak environment would not change
[2023-01-11T03:39:14Z] <wael_> Its probably your system's drivers missing stuff like opengl or vulkan
[2023-01-11T03:51:16Z] <Ellowee[m]> Was an integrated intel trying to display 4k
[2023-01-11T03:52:42Z] <wael_> ...no wonder it ran like crap
[2023-01-11T06:25:42Z] <niceguy5000[m]> can I build a qubes like system with kiss linux?
[2023-01-11T06:25:55Z] <niceguy5000[m]> and call it quss linux?
[2023-01-11T06:27:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Description can be "Most secure system without the bloated"
[2023-01-11T06:29:17Z] <Ellowee[m]> That's been my dream for a while but been too lazy to achieve something similar
[2023-01-11T06:29:33Z] <Ellowee[m]> Xen patched kernel, cli vm manager
[2023-01-11T06:30:06Z] <Ellowee[m]> And a lot of preinstallation arrangements
[2023-01-11T06:30:48Z] <niceguy5000[m]> that will be awesome
[2023-01-11T06:36:58Z] <niceguy5000[m]> It's easy to create, no internet on the dom0 like qubes, compile on a vm and such. pci passthrough net to vm and make a router out of it. Make a harden kiss linux template with bubblewrap and apparmor on tor browser and other apps.
[2023-01-11T06:38:54Z] <niceguy5000[m]> make shells scripts to manage it all. instead of a gui like qubes.
[2023-01-11T06:39:22Z] <niceguy5000[m]> only xl tool is needed.
[2023-01-11T06:42:59Z] <wael_> not sure about the packaging aspect of that
[2023-01-11T06:43:20Z] <wael_> just look at void-packages and kiss-find for references
[2023-01-11T06:49:31Z] <niceguy5000[m]> copying and pasting could be a problem, I think qubes has a some kind of custom python one.
[2023-01-11T06:49:55Z] <wael_> Bloat
[2023-01-11T06:50:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> yeah you can just open up a tty console.
[2023-01-11T07:09:06Z] <niceguy5000[m]> all the details of how to use xl tool is here.
[2023-01-11T07:09:06Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://xenbits.xen.org/docs/unstable/man/xl.1.html
[2023-01-11T07:09:26Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://xenbits.xen.org/docs/unstable/man/xl.cfg.5.html this is to configure the vms.
[2023-01-11T08:18:20Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I think qemu/kvm instead xen could be easier to setup with vfio passthrough for the network card and gpu and less of a hassle.
[2023-01-11T08:18:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> It's has more documentation.
[2023-01-11T08:18:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://readthedocs.org/projects/qemu/downloads/pdf/latest/
[2023-01-11T08:19:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> and easier to program with qmp.
[2023-01-11T08:21:57Z] <wael_> J
[2023-01-11T11:24:13Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/ziglang/zig/pull/14265
[2023-01-11T11:24:18Z] <illiliti> beginning of the end
[2023-01-11T12:23:15Z] <Ogromny> oh fuck
[2023-01-11T12:23:30Z] <Ogromny> it doesn't look good at all
[2023-01-11T12:30:24Z] <testuser[m]> What's wrong
[2023-01-11T12:40:31Z] <wael_> zig language is no longer based
[2023-01-11T12:42:19Z] <cem> it never was
[2023-01-11T12:42:29Z] <cem> nothing based on llvm will ever be
[2023-01-11T12:44:26Z] <wael_> awh
[2023-01-11T12:46:23Z] <testuser[m]> cem: bruh why does everything have to reinvent the wheel 
[2023-01-11T12:46:31Z] <testuser[m]> They'll phase lolvm out later anyway
[2023-01-11T12:46:45Z] <cem> it doesn't
[2023-01-11T12:46:53Z] <cem> there is qbe
[2023-01-11T12:47:32Z] <cem> also like llvm releases a major version and breaks everything every couple of months
[2023-01-11T12:47:50Z] <cem> why would you write a language that depends on this garbage
[2023-01-11T12:48:16Z] <cem> zig took 10 months to release a new version that works with the latest version of llvm
[2023-01-11T12:48:35Z] <testuser[m]> True
[2023-01-11T13:52:04Z] <travankor> what is zig even supposed to solve?
[2023-01-11T13:52:49Z] <travankor> >doesn't have enough advantages to replace C
[2023-01-11T13:54:22Z] <travankor> >C++ too entrenched for enterprises and large companies
[2023-01-11T13:58:19Z] <travankor> zig ecosystem is the same as rust
[2023-01-11T13:58:58Z] <travankor> but without any security benefits of rust
[2023-01-11T20:25:44Z] <midfavila-tab> first pay from the new job today, woo
[2023-01-11T20:26:53Z] <wael_> Rich
[2023-01-11T20:27:52Z] <midfavila-tab> u no it. that part-time minimum wage lifestyle
[2023-01-11T21:19:48Z] * wael_ uploaded an image: (9KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/wael.cc/ff755e50267de55de1b8bda4a6fe8444a0cf975a1580235e1a177f3b133256fa/1673468114219086.png >
[2023-01-11T21:37:08Z] <phoebos> is it a techy job?
[2023-01-11T21:44:20Z] <midfavila-tab> phoebos lmao no
[2023-01-11T21:44:39Z] <midfavila-tab> i'm picking up a few shifts a week at a smoothie stand
[2023-01-11T21:45:07Z] <midfavila-tab> i need something easy for a while
[2023-01-11T21:46:29Z] <midfavila-tab> once things are better (read: i can afford rent *and* food* i'll probably work towards an entry-level programming job
[2023-01-11T21:46:44Z] <midfavila-tab> s/i'll/) i'll/
[2023-01-11T21:47:05Z] <midfavila-tab> then towards security
[2023-01-11T21:48:42Z] <midfavila-tab> first big purchase, new bed
[2023-01-11T21:52:26Z] <midfavila-tab> need to visit a cobbler and a tailor too
[2023-01-11T22:20:24Z] <midfavila-tab> can't wait till pmos runs on the pinenote
[2023-01-11T22:20:53Z] <niceguy5000[m]> what's wrong with zig?
[2023-01-11T22:20:54Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I thought it was a game changer!?=
[2023-01-11T22:22:27Z] <midfavila-tab> meme language
[2023-01-11T22:22:39Z] <midfavila-tab> nothing more needs saying