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[2022-05-21T06:04:08Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-05-21T18:16:42Z] <testuser[m]> Meanwhile KDE Spectacle offering to save screenshots as .cur or .ico files, but not .webp (Ubuntu 22.04)! Both sides work hard to keep the Linux desktop share at 1%.
[2022-05-21T18:55:07Z] <phoebos> https://raphaelkabo.com/blog/undocumented-bin-collection-api/
[2022-05-21T18:55:46Z] <phoebos> > running the program there would also require setting up Python. It was instead time to set up Docker
[2022-05-21T18:57:36Z] <midfavila> yes, the correct way to know when to take the trash out is to use docker, python, and a bunch of webshit
[2022-05-21T18:57:45Z] <midfavila> clearly self-evident
[2022-05-21T18:58:27Z] <testuser[m]> > docker - which is a utility which lets me run individual scripts as standalone containers, separate from the rest of my operating system.
[2022-05-21T18:58:29Z] <testuser[m]> WTF
[2022-05-21T18:58:38Z] <phoebos> i just don't get how it makes more sense to people to set up a docker image of alpine with python inside it rather than just running python
[2022-05-21T18:58:41Z] <phoebos> "to avoid clutter"
[2022-05-21T18:58:57Z] <testuser[m]> Why do people think docker is the only way to separate stuff
[2022-05-21T18:59:08Z] <phoebos> never heard of mkdir
[2022-05-21T18:59:10Z] <midfavila> because chroots and namespaces don't exist
[2022-05-21T18:59:15Z] <testuser[m]> And the scripts are probably stateless
[2022-05-21T18:59:20Z] <midfavila> and filesystems are too advanced for modern computer users
[2022-05-21T18:59:46Z] <midfavila> if I can't just dump everything in my downloads directory and search for things as I need them, how am I supposed to find anything
[2022-05-21T18:59:57Z] <testuser[m]> I'd only use docker if i was using some nodejs junk with 2000 deps
[2022-05-21T19:00:13Z] <midfavila> i would just
[2022-05-21T19:00:14Z] <midfavila> not use nodejs lmao
[2022-05-21T19:00:41Z] <testuser[m]> Sometimes u might need it
[2022-05-21T19:00:53Z] <midfavila> doubt
[2022-05-21T19:00:57Z] <testuser[m]> Like hosting software meant for humans 
[2022-05-21T19:01:15Z] <midfavila> i mean,
[2022-05-21T19:01:15Z] <midfavila> i just like
[2022-05-21T19:01:15Z] <midfavila> wouldn't do that
[2022-05-21T19:01:32Z] <midfavila> don't need node if you don't put yourself in situations where you might need node
[2022-05-21T19:01:35Z] * midfavila nods sagely
[2022-05-21T19:01:46Z] <midfavila> besides, how does node relate to "hosting software meant for humans"
[2022-05-21T19:01:57Z] <testuser[m]> Web apps
[2022-05-21T19:02:03Z] <testuser[m]> Jitsi
[2022-05-21T19:02:05Z] <testuser[m]> Element web
[2022-05-21T19:02:19Z] <testuser[m]> Nextcloud ? Ig that's php or something
[2022-05-21T19:02:30Z] <midfavila> you don't need node for web apps, inherently
[2022-05-21T19:02:30Z] <midfavila> i mean, unless web programming is fundamentally different from a few years back
[2022-05-21T19:03:19Z] <midfavila> "the year is 2022. unix is dead. the only programming language allowed -- by law -- is JavaScript."
[2022-05-21T19:03:32Z] <testuser[m]> MERN stack 2022 full tutorial
[2022-05-21T19:03:43Z] <testuser[m]> full stack engineering
[2022-05-21T19:04:17Z] <midfavila> god I hate it when people call programming "engineering"
[2022-05-21T19:04:32Z] <testuser[m]> Same
[2022-05-21T19:04:57Z] <testuser[m]> UI/UX engineer
[2022-05-21T19:04:59Z] <midfavila> like, no, you're not a software engineer, you're a programmer. stfu nerd
[2022-05-21T19:05:12Z] <midfavila> you're not a "UX Engineer", you're a graphic designer
[2022-05-21T19:07:08Z] <testuser[m]> Also every piece of software is an "app" now
[2022-05-21T19:07:17Z] <testuser[m]> gcc app
[2022-05-21T19:07:45Z] <phoebos> ^
[2022-05-21T19:08:01Z] <phoebos> i've had to explain "software, it's like an app" a few times
[2022-05-21T19:08:30Z] <midfavila> i think that that bothers me less than the hyperspecificity some programs have these days
[2022-05-21T19:08:38Z] <midfavila> like "note-taking apps" or "pomodoro apps"
[2022-05-21T19:08:55Z] <midfavila> use a goddamn text editor and a standard clock. it's *really* not that hard
[2022-05-21T19:10:49Z] <testuser[m]> But a regular alarm doesn't track you
[2022-05-21T19:11:19Z] <testuser[m]> 🚀
[2022-05-21T19:20:42Z] <noocsharp> he did say that it isn't necessary to use docker
[2022-05-21T20:40:51Z] <phinxy> I've had `udhcpd` before, but now its not in `busybox --list`.  It's =y in .config and seems to get built, although there's a warning "trying to reassign symbol CONFIG_UDHCPD"..  
[2022-05-21T20:50:12Z] <phinxy> Perhaps "#CONFIG_UDHCPD IS NOT SET" counts as a set option, even though it looks like a comment!
[2022-05-21T20:51:40Z] <phinxy> yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.