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[2022-05-11T01:57:07Z] <acheam> testuser[m]: deadbeef, elisa, amarok, gnome music/rythmbox, qmmp, lollypop, audacious, quod libet, tauon, clementine, strawberry, gmusicbrowser, pragha, guayadeque, juk, lxmusic, pogo, exaile
[2022-05-11T01:57:16Z] <acheam> pretty much everything in the fedora repos or flatpak
[2022-05-11T01:57:44Z] <acheam> I either didn't like the interface of them, or they would hang after importing some amount of my library (usually around 1tb)
[2022-05-11T02:36:11Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-05-11T03:20:56Z] <ioraff> howdy
[2022-05-11T03:21:44Z] <maximum_yellow> acheam are any of those mpd frontends?
[2022-05-11T03:22:36Z] <ioraff> anyone have thoughts on updating linux-headers?
[2022-05-11T03:23:42Z] <maximum_yellow> ioraff i've had to manually do this for some time because of a bad include in uapi/linux/swab.h
[2022-05-11T03:24:06Z] <maximum_yellow> so i would appreciate it upstream moved and i didn't have to maintain an override
[2022-05-11T03:24:53Z] <maximum_yellow> (the missing include is stddef iirc)
[2022-05-11T03:25:04Z] <maximum_yellow> this changed somewhat recently
[2022-05-11T03:25:17Z] <noocsharp> acheam: is that 1tb of flac?
[2022-05-11T03:26:00Z] <ioraff> I would too, as I also use an override. I'm just not sure of a good rule to follow for updates, if any.
[2022-05-11T03:31:12Z] <maximum_yellow> ioraff lts is 5.15(.38) right now, so we could at least do that instead of 5.10.x or whatever core has
[2022-05-11T03:31:33Z] <maximum_yellow> this is arch's policy, fwiw
[2022-05-11T03:42:36Z] <ioraff> I guess the mainline of the latest lts would make sense. not sure of the extent that headers change between releases.
[2022-05-11T03:43:53Z] <ioraff> don't think the bad include was fixed until 5.17 though
[2022-05-11T03:44:01Z] <maximum_yellow> indeed
[2022-05-11T03:44:57Z] <maximum_yellow> should we provide -lts and -new? I wonder about backwards compatibility
[2022-05-11T03:45:41Z] <ioraff> headers are forward compatible, but not necessarily backward compatible.
[2022-05-11T03:46:58Z] <maximum_yellow> there are ~40 users here? set topic for a poll for which we should track, or just voice concerns and let those who care influence the decision? 
[2022-05-11T03:47:27Z] <maximum_yellow> surely someone has a vote bot 
[2022-05-11T03:48:17Z] <maximum_yellow> frankly though, everything else repo tracks is bleeding edge (or intended to be so)
[2022-05-11T03:48:33Z] <noocsharp> there's not really a good reason to have -new, not sure when you would even need the latest linux headers
[2022-05-11T03:49:59Z] <maximum_yellow> noocsharp https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210729094558.5935-1-pavo.banicevic@sartura.hr/ i believe is the issue we're talking about
[2022-05-11T03:53:13Z] <noocsharp> i think most people here are using a fairly recent kernel, and the kernel is more likely updated before headers, so there isn't an issue with forward compatibility
[2022-05-11T03:53:15Z] <maximum_yellow> looks like it was fixed somewhere around 5.12 or 5.13 actually, so -lts is fine
[2022-05-11T03:53:53Z] <noocsharp> wouldn't be very kiss to have multiple kernel header packages
[2022-05-11T03:53:54Z] <maximum_yellow> or maybe i'm wrong, i can't tell
[2022-05-11T03:55:09Z] * maximum_yellow doesn't know how to go from lore to kernel version including commit
[2022-05-11T03:55:33Z] <noocsharp> it has a commit hash
[2022-05-11T03:56:12Z] <noocsharp> so find the version tag after the commit hash
[2022-05-11T03:57:16Z] <noocsharp> oh wait that's for qemu
[2022-05-11T04:00:58Z] <maximum_yellow> yeah not sure how to find the fix commit
[2022-05-11T04:01:09Z] <maximum_yellow> (did it ever happen this way?)
[2022-05-11T04:03:20Z] <maximum_yellow> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/5905 also runs dry on the same issue. I'm not sure when this was fixed other than `recently'
[2022-05-11T12:22:36Z] <omanom> pomekon midfavila https://www.securityweek.com/stealthy-data-exfiltration-possible-magnetic-fields
[2022-05-11T12:23:19Z] <omanom> >The CPUs present in modern computers generate low frequency magnetic signals which, according to researchers, can be manipulated to transmit data over an air gap.
[2022-05-11T12:23:40Z] <omanom> >Researchers demonstrated that ODINI and MAGNETO also work if the targeted air-gapped device is inside a Faraday cage
[2022-05-11T12:26:27Z] <omanom> https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.03431 and here's one that uses sound from an HDD's actuator arm
[2022-05-11T12:52:24Z] <pomekon> how to check if i have a monolithic kernel or not?
[2022-05-11T12:53:00Z] <pomekon> omanom: wow dude! ty for the info
[2022-05-11T13:03:50Z] <omanom> Li-Fi is another interesting thing that's been played with for years: https://qz.com/561018/forget-wi-fi-you-may-soon-access-the-internet-via-ordinary-light-bulbs/
[2022-05-11T13:04:11Z] <omanom> >Developed by a team led by German physicist Harald Hass, Li-Fi works with by transmitting data via subtly flickering light beams from an LED bulb to a solar panel attached to a computer that acts as a receiver.
[2022-05-11T13:05:23Z] <pomekon> omanom: did u see that old thinkpad r500 that russians found in some nato base? It had reversed hdd put in the slot and they connected it trhough adapter to usb. USB does not have DRM, but there is some way to do DRM over sata as far as i know
[2022-05-11T13:06:45Z] <pomekon> some great info omanom. thanks!
[2022-05-11T13:08:52Z] <pomekon> there are some payload malwares inside hdds too
[2022-05-11T13:09:37Z] <pomekon> Ive heard hdds are capable or runing linux on itself.
[2022-05-11T14:56:36Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/solvespace/solvespace/blob/master/src/util.cpp#L66-L88
[2022-05-11T16:48:55Z] <noocsharp> ???
[2022-05-11T16:49:06Z] <noocsharp> how would you do it?
[2022-05-11T16:54:26Z] <testuser[m]> It's fine ig, 16 args just seemed funny
[2022-05-11T18:39:22Z] <pomekon> for some reason i can not boot... it stops at Attempting to load grub.cfg... Than errors about how nothings found... I thought its the kernel problem so i did recompile it with default .config but still nothing.... I have no idea
[2022-05-11T18:40:08Z] <testuser[m]> Did u Mount drive on /boot and copy kernel
[2022-05-11T18:40:34Z] <pomekon> i did copy it in boot yeah
[2022-05-11T18:40:48Z] <pomekon> drive is mounted on /mnt
[2022-05-11T18:40:56Z] <pomekon> boot is in /mnt/boot
[2022-05-11T18:41:06Z] <pomekon> i can post fstab
[2022-05-11T18:41:18Z] <pomekon> and other stuff
[2022-05-11T18:44:10Z] <pomekon> hmm
[2022-05-11T18:45:21Z] <pomekon> at the current system, (chrooted enviroment) /dev/sdc1 is /boot and /dev/sdc2 is /
[2022-05-11T18:45:40Z] <pomekon> when im installing grub i have to grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdc
[2022-05-11T18:45:46Z] <pomekon> right?
[2022-05-11T18:46:43Z] <pomekon> im on bios system
[2022-05-11T18:49:14Z] <pomekon> not usre how could i even diagnose the problem..
[2022-05-11T18:49:18Z] <pomekon> sure*
[2022-05-11T18:51:02Z] <phoebos> you did do grub-mkconfig
[2022-05-11T18:51:09Z] <phoebos> ?
[2022-05-11T18:51:34Z] <pomekon> yes but it spits some error if i remember correctly
[2022-05-11T18:51:36Z] <pomekon> sec
[2022-05-11T18:51:45Z] <pomekon> let me check
[2022-05-11T18:52:46Z] <pomekon> actually just a warning
[2022-05-11T18:52:59Z] <pomekon> Warning: os-prober will not be executed to detect other bootable partitions.
[2022-05-11T18:52:59Z] <pomekon> Systems on them will not be added to the GRUB boot configuration.
[2022-05-11T18:52:59Z] <pomekon> Check GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER documentation entry.
[2022-05-11T18:53:19Z] <phoebos> that's fine that's just if you were dual-booting etc
[2022-05-11T18:53:38Z] <phoebos> does /boot/grub/grub.cfg have stuff in it
[2022-05-11T18:54:04Z] <pomekon> aham
[2022-05-11T18:54:06Z] <pomekon> yes
[2022-05-11T18:54:53Z] <pomekon> I have no idea what to even check...
[2022-05-11T18:55:01Z] <phoebos> was the grub error literally that it couldn't find grub.cfg
[2022-05-11T18:55:43Z] <soliwilos> Unless you need some grub feature, you may be better off with syslinux.
[2022-05-11T18:56:09Z] <phoebos> soliwilos: would still be nice for grub to work
[2022-05-11T18:56:34Z] <pomekon> it did just say attempting to load grub.cfg and some errors bcs it can not find it or something
[2022-05-11T18:57:14Z] <pomekon> it can not find drives
[2022-05-11T18:57:58Z] <pomekon> do I need to specify UUID="dsalhfsag" or just UUID=dsfagas is ok? I did not do ""s
[2022-05-11T18:58:03Z] <soliwilos> phoebos: Sure, I get that and not saying it's any kind of "fix" for grub. I've just come to prefer syslinux regardless, it's simpler.
[2022-05-11T18:58:11Z] <phoebos> maybe there's a typo in your fstab?
[2022-05-11T18:58:22Z] <phoebos> soliwilos: yeah fair
[2022-05-11T18:58:41Z] <phoebos> pomekon: you don't need quotes
[2022-05-11T18:58:51Z] <pomekon> i did not use them.. hmm
[2022-05-11T18:59:21Z] <pomekon> hmm sec. 
[2022-05-11T19:01:31Z] <pomekon> http://ix.io/3Xx3
[2022-05-11T19:01:35Z] <pomekon> fstab
[2022-05-11T19:02:15Z] <pomekon> its actually /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdc2 but that does not matter since its #ed 
[2022-05-11T19:03:09Z] <pomekon> i think it turns to sda since it will be mounted first once the hdd is inside another computer, even if now in chrooted enviroment its /dev/sdc
[2022-05-11T19:03:12Z] <phoebos> you're using ext3?
[2022-05-11T19:03:16Z] <pomekon> yes
[2022-05-11T19:03:19Z] <phoebos> fun
[2022-05-11T19:03:21Z] <phoebos> why
[2022-05-11T19:04:05Z] <pomekon> it zeroes out stuff automatically... I think ill use ZFS soon
[2022-05-11T19:04:40Z] <pomekon> but ive heard yesterday its just a layer over ext4
[2022-05-11T19:04:55Z] <pomekon> i mean ext3 is just a ayer over ext4 nowdays
[2022-05-11T19:05:10Z] <pomekon> so its not as cool and simpler as i thought
[2022-05-11T19:05:12Z] <pomekon> hahaa
[2022-05-11T19:05:23Z] <pomekon> also bsd can mount ext3
[2022-05-11T19:05:25Z] <pomekon> openbsd
[2022-05-11T19:05:30Z] <pomekon> and it cant ext4
[2022-05-11T19:05:47Z] <pomekon> so im using it for that reason too...
[2022-05-11T19:06:06Z] <pomekon> so fstab is ok right?
[2022-05-11T19:06:34Z] <pomekon> I really have no idea what could go wtong :/
[2022-05-11T19:07:14Z] <phoebos> idk if you need to put the root partition before /boot
[2022-05-11T19:07:44Z] <pomekon> i think boot has to be first. thats what i heard
[2022-05-11T19:07:47Z] <pomekon> hmm idk
[2022-05-11T19:07:59Z] <pomekon> on every system i had /boot was first
[2022-05-11T19:08:06Z] <phoebos> and i think you need more things in fs_mntops for /, at least 'rw'. I'd put defaults,noatime
[2022-05-11T19:08:44Z] <pomekon> hmm. lets try
[2022-05-11T19:08:55Z] <phoebos> fstab(5) says it neads at least the type of mount
[2022-05-11T19:09:02Z] <phoebos> s/neads/needs/
[2022-05-11T19:09:45Z] <soliwilos> In fstab? I doubt ordering matter. As far as I know it's just a table making mounting easier.
[2022-05-11T19:10:56Z] <phoebos> fsck cares about the order but it should be able to handle it using the fs_passno field
[2022-05-11T19:13:34Z] <pomekon> its weird kiss installation page has no fstab mentioned
[2022-05-11T19:14:05Z] <pomekon> but its probably since just / is enought
[2022-05-11T19:14:15Z] <pomekon> i mean just 1 partition
[2022-05-11T19:14:18Z] <soliwilos> Is the boot partition given the "boot partition" attribute?
[2022-05-11T19:14:22Z] <phoebos> it's not absolutely necessary, but we used to have http://kiss.bvnf.space/wiki/storage/disks.html#4.0
[2022-05-11T19:14:37Z] <pomekon> DUE
[2022-05-11T19:14:39Z] <pomekon> DUDE
[2022-05-11T19:14:40Z] <pomekon> thats it
[2022-05-11T19:14:56Z] <pomekon> when i partitioned the disk i did not mark it as boot
[2022-05-11T19:15:08Z] <pomekon> thank you! I completely forgot this
[2022-05-11T19:15:55Z] <soliwilos> It's easy to forget. :)
[2022-05-11T19:33:40Z] <pomekon> i actually saw this only in cfdisk i think. there you can "mark" the boot as bootable. What does it actually do? I just partitioned everything using regular fdisk
[2022-05-11T19:35:11Z] <pomekon> I think i did not need to do that back in the days when i did artix install, I know on gentoo they say in the handbook to mark it.
[2022-05-11T19:39:10Z] <soliwilos> Is the partition table mbr or gpt?
[2022-05-11T19:41:47Z] <soliwilos> I know fdisk in util-linux has the capability, but don't recall if busybox fdisk has it.
[2022-05-11T19:42:14Z] <pomekon> mbr
[2022-05-11T19:43:20Z] <pomekon> i mean... I do not know how to even check this. I just fdisked it and mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdXx
[2022-05-11T19:43:36Z] <pomekon> I have older computer and i use bios
[2022-05-11T19:43:40Z] <pomekon> not UEFI
[2022-05-11T19:44:09Z] <soliwilos> Then it won't have the attribute, it needs to be manually set, at least with fdisk.
[2022-05-11T19:44:36Z] <pomekon> i see :D so that really is the problem
[2022-05-11T19:44:52Z] <pomekon> how to even set this with fdisk? 
[2022-05-11T19:45:17Z] <pomekon> i know u can use cfdisk and star it so to speak...
[2022-05-11T19:45:30Z] <pomekon> let me check this out :D
[2022-05-11T19:45:49Z] <pomekon> thanks for mentioning this atribudes dude. i totaly forgot this stuff exsists
[2022-05-11T19:46:48Z] <soliwilos> sgdisk can set and show it, at least for gpt. Been a while since I used mbr.
[2022-05-11T19:47:45Z] <pomekon> thank you :D
[2022-05-11T19:47:56Z] <pomekon> I hope it will work now ahaha
[2022-05-11T20:31:52Z] <dilyn> testuser[m]: https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules
[2022-05-11T21:30:45Z] <noocsharp> V-N day
[2022-05-11T21:33:15Z] <noocsharp> in 5 years i'll finally be able to use wayland on my desktop
[2022-05-11T23:31:33Z] <acheam> maximum_yellow: no I haven't found a client I like for mpd. Needs to be graphical with a nice album playing / cover view experience
[2022-05-11T23:31:39Z] <acheam> noocsharp: yes, I have 2tb in total
[2022-05-11T23:42:13Z] <acheam> maximum_yellow: actually i'm trying out cover grid now
[2022-05-11T23:42:14Z] <acheam> seems nice