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[2022-02-17T02:59:56Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-02-17T03:00:01Z] <sad_plan> Hi
[2022-02-17T13:13:26Z] <testuser[m]> Every Gopher knows that Bjarne Stringsoup complicates the C++ spec every three years in order to sell more books to unsuspecting programmers.
[2022-02-17T15:15:48Z] <acheam> https://github.com/ezrosent/frawk
[2022-02-17T15:16:09Z] <acheam> > stringsoup
[2022-02-17T15:18:36Z] <testuser[m]> In C programming language from which C++ inherits its 0.1% of problems, C++ means increment the value of C. But the expression C++ itself evaluates to the value of C. Which means C++ offers zero benefit over C, according to Rob "lol no generics" Pike who also has experience in creating languages that offer no practical advantage over C. 
[2022-02-17T15:19:21Z] <acheam> lmao
[2022-02-17T15:19:32Z] <acheam> where are you getting these from?
[2022-02-17T15:19:57Z] <acheam> tbf, golang is more pactical than C imo but I dont want to spark a language war
[2022-02-17T15:25:17Z] <testuser[m]> https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/C%2B%2B
[2022-02-17T15:25:41Z] <testuser[m]> Golang is good but i don't like poogle having direct control over it
[2022-02-17T17:02:02Z] <rohan> hi
[2022-02-17T17:02:22Z] <rohan> anyone have tested swc?
[2022-02-17T17:04:25Z] <sad_plan> yeah, I have. noocsharp also has, for some amount of time
[2022-02-17T17:05:11Z] <rohan> it have support for amd?
[2022-02-17T17:05:39Z] <sad_plan> yep. Ive got amd, and works for me
[2022-02-17T17:06:25Z] <rohan> use velox right?
[2022-02-17T17:06:44Z] <sad_plan> I dont currently use it, but I used velox, yes
[2022-02-17T17:07:21Z] <rohan> have some trouble with programs for wayland?
[2022-02-17T17:07:39Z] <rohan> since it not use wlroots
[2022-02-17T17:08:19Z] <sad_plan> I havent really used much wayland specific packages, mostly just cli stuff. I know there some issues with getting firefox to run i.e. 
[2022-02-17T17:08:32Z] <sad_plan> it just launches a blank screen
[2022-02-17T17:08:50Z] <rohan> okay
[2022-02-17T17:08:52Z] <sad_plan> it doesnt use mesa, so Im sure there are some 'difficulties' with stuff that requires mesa
[2022-02-17T17:09:07Z] <rohan> thats a problem
[2022-02-17T17:09:20Z] <rohan> maybe i will try just for see how it works
[2022-02-17T17:09:29Z] <rohan> not seems to much usable
[2022-02-17T17:09:44Z] <sad_plan> running a mesa-less system can indeed be cumbersome.. most stuff require mesa..
[2022-02-17T17:10:21Z] <sad_plan> Ive wanted to do some more testing, but I just havent gotten around doing it :p
[2022-02-17T17:10:32Z] <testuser[m]> Vro how u gonna talk to gpu
[2022-02-17T17:10:33Z] <testuser[m]> Without nesa
[2022-02-17T17:10:51Z] <sad_plan> framebuffer
[2022-02-17T17:12:08Z] <testuser[m]> Bruh
[2022-02-17T17:12:52Z] <sad_plan> theres no issues with running i.e. mpv without having mesa installed
[2022-02-17T17:12:52Z] <rohan> i liked oasis linux
[2022-02-17T17:13:08Z] <sad_plan> oasis is really cool imo
[2022-02-17T17:13:08Z] <rohan> bit using netsurf not seems the better option
[2022-02-17T17:13:53Z] <sad_plan> netsurf isnt the best, but theres no lock in to netsurf. so youre free to choose something else :p
[2022-02-17T17:14:24Z] <rohan> but like u said 
[2022-02-17T17:14:33Z] <rohan> firefox isnt run
[2022-02-17T17:14:53Z] <rohan> and i dont see too much packaging for swc
[2022-02-17T17:15:11Z] <sad_plan> mcf does run firefox on his system, with velox. how he does it, I have no clue, but it goes to shhow that its possible
[2022-02-17T17:15:33Z] <sad_plan> you can still run xwayland on it, and still use x11 packages instead
[2022-02-17T17:15:52Z] <rohan> yeah sure
[2022-02-17T17:16:15Z] <rohan> but some of those packages need mesa
[2022-02-17T17:16:34Z] <sad_plan> yes, and so does firefox, and as I said, mcf runs firefox on his system
[2022-02-17T17:16:55Z] <sad_plan> velox doesnt require/use mesa, but that doesnt mean you cant use mesa
[2022-02-17T17:17:14Z] <rohan> how mcf does run firefox?
[2022-02-17T17:17:21Z] <rohan> he even mentioned it?
[2022-02-17T17:18:04Z] <sad_plan> youd have to ask mcf himself, as I have no clue. noocsharp have just mentioned it, but neither of us knows. but feel free to drop mcf a question on an email, or oasis' irc channel
[2022-02-17T17:18:36Z] <rohan> u still using kiss today?
[2022-02-17T17:18:42Z] <sad_plan> yeah
[2022-02-17T17:18:49Z] <rohan> plan to use oasis?
[2022-02-17T17:19:15Z] <sad_plan> more or less. I really like the project, but I just havent gotten around to installing it
[2022-02-17T17:19:44Z] <rohan> just for question
[2022-02-17T17:20:05Z] <rohan> you ever have a instalation of kiss in a VM?
[2022-02-17T17:21:03Z] <rohan> i trying to get waydroid for kiss and a guy is trying to make a kiss VM to test with me why it not launchs
[2022-02-17T17:21:19Z] <sad_plan> yeah, i installed kiss in a wm before I installed to disk
[2022-02-17T17:21:24Z] <rohan> but i never installed kiss in VM and the guy dont make it work
[2022-02-17T17:22:13Z] <rohan> if you have some tips
[2022-02-17T17:22:27Z] <rohan> pls tell me lol
[2022-02-17T17:22:59Z] <sad_plan> never used waydroid before, but I know you should easily be able to chroot into a in termux
[2022-02-17T17:23:16Z] <sad_plan> iirc testuser[m] did it, or atleast talked about it at a time
[2022-02-17T17:23:30Z] <rohan> just tips to make a kiss vm
[2022-02-17T17:23:39Z] <rohan> i already packaged it 
[2022-02-17T17:23:47Z] <rohan> just dont launch
[2022-02-17T17:24:03Z] <rohan> i solved "all" the problems 
[2022-02-17T17:25:52Z] <sad_plan> ah. just follow the installation guide really. the only difference is the kernel config, which is way easier to do in a wm. theres a video on how to do so. ill link it
[2022-02-17T17:26:23Z] <sad_plan> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QCjjFqC-Ve8
[2022-02-17T17:26:33Z] <rohan> thanks bruh
[2022-02-17T17:27:29Z] <sad_plan> no problem
[2022-02-17T18:02:21Z] <guest69> Hi
[2022-02-17T18:08:34Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2022-02-17T18:13:25Z] <illiliti> mcf uses netsurf iirc
[2022-02-17T18:14:02Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/oasislinux/oasis/tree/master/pkg/netsurf
[2022-02-17T18:27:34Z] <guest69> I wonder where Dylan is
[2022-02-17T18:29:04Z] <guest69> The `pigz` and `xkeyboard-config` packages need to be updated
[2022-02-17T18:38:43Z] <sad_plan> illiliti: I seem to recall noocsharp mentioning he used firefox though. but it doesnt matter
[2022-02-17T18:39:04Z] <sad_plan> guest69: alot of packages are getting outdated. not just pigz and xkeyboard-config
[2022-02-17T18:43:30Z] <noocsharp> mcf uses firefox installed using pkgsrc
[2022-02-17T18:44:43Z] <noocsharp> it seems to be the most frequently asked question in #oasis
[2022-02-17T18:46:31Z] <noocsharp> testuser[m]: https://github.com/michaelforney/wld is how you talk to the gpu without mesa
[2022-02-17T18:49:57Z] <noocsharp> although it has poor hardware support
[2022-02-17T19:08:32Z] <sad_plan> thanks noocsharp 
[2022-02-17T19:21:03Z] <sad_plan> ffs, can someone explain to my more indepth as to why shellcheck is complaining here, but not in our regular buildscripts? 
[2022-02-17T19:21:05Z] <sad_plan> http://0x0.st/o84K.txt
[2022-02-17T19:21:40Z] <sad_plan> its basically the same thing as us using sed 's/foo/bar/' baz > _ && mv -f _ baz
[2022-02-17T19:21:51Z] <sad_plan> but shellcheck isnt complaining about it in our buildscripts
[2022-02-17T19:23:31Z] <cem> sad_plan: because you are changing the file while reading it
[2022-02-17T19:31:14Z] <sad_plan> but replacing "$t" with _ doesnt help, as Id thought it would
[2022-02-17T19:31:24Z] <sad_plan> or any other random filename for that matter really..
[2022-02-17T19:31:32Z] <sad_plan> it doesnt have to be _ i mean
[2022-02-17T19:33:32Z] <sad_plan> should I perhaps make a new tempfile instead? would that solve the issue? :p
[2022-02-17T19:34:17Z] <cem> no it wouldn't
[2022-02-17T19:34:23Z] <cem> the problem isn't the $t
[2022-02-17T19:34:28Z] <sad_plan> expected as such
[2022-02-17T19:34:35Z] <cem> you're reading FSDIR/all in a while loop
[2022-02-17T19:34:43Z] <cem> and replacing the file in the same while loop
[2022-02-17T19:34:55Z] <sad_plan> so its the loop itself?
[2022-02-17T19:35:00Z] <cem> Yes
[2022-02-17T19:35:24Z] * sad_plan sighs
[2022-02-17T19:35:47Z] <cem> You could instead copy the FSDIR/all file before the loop and use that one for the loop
[2022-02-17T19:39:51Z] <sad_plan> yeah, Ill look into how I can properly implement that. 
[2022-02-17T20:17:17Z] <nerditup> does anyone here use neovim? I don't see it in the community packages repositories... I might be blind
[2022-02-17T20:22:07Z] <soliwilos> nerditup: It's in community repo as far as I can see.
[2022-02-17T20:23:29Z] <soliwilos> I haven't tried it though, as I'm not using it.
[2022-02-17T20:27:38Z] <sad_plan> nerditup: it was removed, but was readded a day or two later or something
[2022-02-17T20:30:18Z] <nerditup> ahh found it! I wasn't looking in the kiss-community fork, my bad https://github.com/kiss-community/community/tree/main/community/neovim
[2022-02-17T20:44:17Z] <illiliti> neovim became too bloated
[2022-02-17T20:45:58Z] <illiliti> their build system is just awful
[2022-02-17T20:53:17Z] <nerditup> illiliti: in what way? I'm curious since I've been thinking about switching from Vim to Neovim
[2022-02-17T20:53:44Z] <sad_plan> unless you specifically require something neovim offers that vim does not, I dont see any reason for making the switch
[2022-02-17T20:54:01Z] <sad_plan> i.e. if youre a lua dev
[2022-02-17T20:54:12Z] <sad_plan> then neovim might be a better option
[2022-02-17T21:04:01Z] <illiliti> neovim implemented XDG spec and i like that
[2022-02-17T21:04:05Z] <illiliti> everything else is just unnecessary bells and whistles
[2022-02-17T21:06:38Z] <nerditup> that's surprising because my understanding is that it's "
[2022-02-17T21:06:44Z] <nerditup> "more minimal"
[2022-02-17T21:06:49Z] <nerditup> but I don't really know
[2022-02-17T21:06:55Z] <nerditup> good marketing for that I guess
[2022-02-17T21:08:09Z] <illiliti> btw, i switch to kak recently and it's pretty comfy
[2022-02-17T21:08:28Z] <illiliti> s/switch/switched
[2022-02-17T21:09:35Z] <illiliti> i don't like that plugins use sh under the hood though...
[2022-02-17T21:17:52Z] <cem> neovim handles pressing ESC and shift+O better :^)
[2022-02-17T21:18:41Z] <cem> when you do that on vim it types O on the screen for a second, and then it understands and creates a new line above
[2022-02-17T21:19:13Z] <cem> that's why I prefer neovim