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[2021-07-27T00:03:50Z] <noocsharp> micro_0 i meant generate the html every so often
[2021-07-27T00:04:04Z] <noocsharp> oops, micro_O
[2021-07-27T00:26:08Z] <micro_O> noocsharp i want the html to at least be reasonably browsable / viewable in all editors
[2021-07-27T01:19:28Z] <kyxor> Hi, where can I find documentation of linux kernel ACPI named objects? In particular I am interested in what functions "[\_SB.PCI0.GPP6._PRW]" named object provides. Any pointers? 
[2021-07-27T01:20:13Z] <kyxor> I assume this object is related to C states, power management or something like that
[2021-07-27T01:35:21Z] <kyxor> probably wrong channel to ask, just trying to figure out some kernel crashes, oh well
[2021-07-27T01:35:58Z] <acheam_> idk man
[2021-07-27T01:38:02Z] <kyxor> and what hurts is that this is impossible to debug, cause I run on real hardware and if there is fault in something like power management, you don't even get kernel panic, or anything. it's also random
[2021-07-27T01:39:12Z] <kyxor> the only thing I know is I get this error message at boot BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object [\_SB.PCI0.GPP6._PRW], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20210604/dswload2-326)
[2021-07-27T01:41:05Z] <kyxor> so bios is bugged somehow, I already tried many things to fix it, some chinese bioses don't get this error message, but stuff still powers off randomly 
[2021-07-27T01:47:23Z] <noocsharp> i get like 20 off those on bootup and my system works fine
[2021-07-27T01:47:29Z] <noocsharp> that's not the error you're looking for
[2021-07-27T01:48:24Z] <noocsharp> also my understanding is that a lot of uefi implementations are horrible and buggy, and the kernel has to compensate
[2021-07-27T01:53:20Z] <kyxor> the only reliable way I found to fix this problem is to set a specific cpu voltage, like 1.1V but that makes it imposible to overclock
[2021-07-27T01:57:21Z] <noocsharp> then it's probably not a software issue
[2021-07-27T02:05:57Z] <kyxor> agreed
[2021-07-27T03:54:46Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-07-27T04:01:34Z] <testuser[m]> Anonymous: so everything rebuilds fine, but everything breaks when glibc is built ? Seems weird cuz new glibc isn't even installed yet
[2021-07-27T04:04:10Z] <testuser[m]> Or glibc is the first thing rebuilt
[2021-07-27T04:08:17Z] <noocsharp> testuser[m], sorry for asking again, but you had something for building webkit for wayland, right?
[2021-07-27T04:08:36Z] <noocsharp> i think i'm finally ready to make the jump
[2021-07-27T04:11:12Z] <testuser[m]> Everything is in community noocsharp
[2021-07-27T04:11:15Z] <testuser[m]> now
[2021-07-27T04:11:45Z] <noocsharp> oh, awesome
[2021-07-27T04:11:51Z] <testuser[m]> You just don't have hw acceleration cuz WPE (whats used for hw accel) doesn't work without libglvnd
[2021-07-27T04:12:19Z] <noocsharp> an acceptable tradeoff
[2021-07-27T05:17:25Z] <testuser[m]> Ok Anonymous i have a repro
[2021-07-27T05:19:58Z] <testuser[m]> wtf touches libdl though, before glibc is even installed
[2021-07-27T05:22:53Z] <testuser[m]> it just goes empty :/
[2021-07-27T05:24:49Z] <testuser[m]> In the meantime you could just trust me and avoid rebuilding everything, while i look into it :p 
[2021-07-27T05:53:13Z] <testuser[m]> hmm kiss just destroys the file on "generating manifest" and "stripping bins and libs"
[2021-07-27T06:26:29Z] <testuser[m]> If i make libdl readonly then it purges libc.so instead!
[2021-07-27T06:28:26Z] <testuser[m]> Anonymous: as a workaround, rebuild glibc as a non-root user
[2021-07-27T06:58:00Z] <Anonymous> testuser[m]: Ok, thank you
[2021-07-27T07:16:24Z] <GalaxyNova> Hello
[2021-07-27T07:16:32Z] <GalaxyNova> does anyone know what this commit will mean https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/commit/d0228beccf4b5e1b45754151091968bd002c04d7
[2021-07-27T07:16:56Z] <GalaxyNova> does it mean we can cleanly switch from gcc to clang without rebuilding the system?
[2021-07-27T07:34:30Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2021-07-27T07:34:50Z] <testuser[m]> Abi of clang stdc++ and gcc stdc++ is different
[2021-07-27T07:34:56Z] <testuser[m]> This is just a change to the dep fixer
[2021-07-27T07:40:08Z] <konimex> the change prevents circular dependency
[2021-07-27T09:54:10Z] <zola> I am having a bit of problem with wayland
[2021-07-27T09:54:33Z] <testuser[m]> what is it
[2021-07-27T09:54:39Z] <zola> I can't get any windows to show in the compositor
[2021-07-27T09:54:49Z] <zola> just blank background with moving cursor
[2021-07-27T09:54:55Z] <zola> I tried sway and dwl
[2021-07-27T09:55:11Z] <testuser[m]> sway --debug > log 2>&1
[2021-07-27T09:55:28Z] <zola> Weston locks up when i try starting it, so i can't try that
[2021-07-27T09:59:58Z] <zola> Well sway does not appear to have any errors, but foot, when started can't find any fonts
[2021-07-27T10:00:22Z] <zola> Would you happen to know of any basic fonts packages already available
[2021-07-27T10:01:32Z] <testuser[m]> liberation-fonts
[2021-07-27T10:01:40Z] <testuser[m]> nvm it was changed
[2021-07-27T10:01:49Z] <testuser[m]> ttf-croscore
[2021-07-27T10:06:00Z] <zola> Thanks a lot, it looks like the lack of fonts stoped both terminal from starting and sway from showing the bar, everything is working now.
[2021-07-27T12:17:05Z] <testuser[m]> Anonymous: issue is fixed in the latest kiss (the package manager) release
[2021-07-27T12:23:39Z] <Anonymous> testuser[m]: Thanks a lot!
[2021-07-27T13:08:07Z] <Anonymous> Will there be a new rootfs with the fix, or will it be enough to update kiss and then start installing kisslinux?
[2021-07-27T13:08:35Z] <Anonymous> gkisslinux*
[2021-07-27T13:10:04Z] <testuser[m]> just update kiss
[2021-07-27T13:10:09Z] <Anonymous> Ok
[2021-07-27T16:24:29Z] <kyxor> Hello everyone, what's a good alt for busybox unzip? I've got a 10GB zipped file and busybox unzip fails with "unzip: short read"
[2021-07-27T16:26:25Z] <kyxor> I am pretty sure this is a busybox bug because this achieve I have unziped before, using gnu utils so it can't be corrupted
[2021-07-27T16:26:54Z] <testuser[m]> p7zip ? It's got tons of CVEs though
[2021-07-27T16:28:13Z] <testuser[m]> Check this http://www.info-zip.org/Zip.html
[2021-07-27T16:30:18Z] <kyxor> Thanks testuser, that's the link to p7zip? 
[2021-07-27T16:30:33Z] <testuser[m]> No that at another zip
[2021-07-27T16:30:36Z] <testuser[m]> That's*
[2021-07-27T16:30:41Z] <testuser[m]> I'd say you use it over p7zip
[2021-07-27T16:31:19Z] <kyxor> Thanks, I'll try that one
[2021-07-27T16:37:12Z] <acheam_> thats a pretty good website
[2021-07-27T16:37:29Z] <acheam_> the word art realy ties it togethor
[2021-07-27T16:40:26Z] <kyxor> errr testuser, it's an emberassing question but how do I get the source code? 
[2021-07-27T16:40:30Z] <kyxor> wget: bad response to RETR: 550 tex-archive/tools/zip/info-zip/: No such file or directory.
[2021-07-27T16:41:02Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/bda1907fb3204d52605d005ec846d76a0fae98a5/trunk/PKGBUILD#L13
[2021-07-27T16:43:31Z] <kyxor> thanks, as for kiss linux nobody seems to have made package for it
[2021-07-27T16:49:13Z] <kyxor> ehh, how to build it? the most obvious way fails: https://0x0.st/-Wpk.png
[2021-07-27T16:50:31Z] <claudia> What is the states of our qt5 stack in comminity? Its at version 5.15.3 but 5.15.5 is out. Are there problems in updating, or do we use an lts branch? I have not found reliable information on the version, also different projects use different 5.15 versions. (arch, void, alpine)
[2021-07-27T16:56:40Z] <kyxor> oh ok, I am dumb dumb, I can just look into that archlinux PKGBUILD to see how to build it
[2021-07-27T16:57:44Z] <kyxor> it does not build from unix directory, thats why it failed
[2021-07-27T17:01:42Z] <kyxor> testuser[m]: thanks so much for help, it worked and I got my precious zip unzipped XD
[2021-07-27T17:02:40Z] <kyxor> Yo it be probably nice to add it to community repo, I might do it later
[2021-07-27T17:30:13Z] <testuser[m]> https://blog.ikuamike.io/posts/2021/netcat/
[2021-07-27T17:44:47Z] <acheam_> just out of curiousity, could do me a favor, and measure the page load time on https://armaanb.net, and your report your general location as well?
[2021-07-27T17:45:04Z] <acheam_> s/could/could some of yall please/g
[2021-07-27T18:23:58Z] <rio6> canada west: 3.1s first time, around 1~2s afterwards
[2021-07-27T18:24:10Z] <acheam_> rio6: thank you!
[2021-07-27T18:50:29Z] <ang> how's obsd things, acheam_?
[2021-07-27T18:53:00Z] <acheam_> this is the best website i've seen in my life: https://madsenworld.dk/index-uk.htm
[2021-07-27T18:54:08Z] <acheam_> ang: they're great!
[2021-07-27T18:54:08Z] <acheam_> been migrating my server
[2021-07-27T18:54:08Z] <acheam_> lots of things go much quicker
[2021-07-27T18:54:08Z] <acheam_> lots of things go much slower to set up
[2021-07-27T18:55:17Z] <ang> how comes? Just more new things to learn or generally more involved?
[2021-07-27T18:56:46Z] <ang> it's pretty cool to be able to entirely rely on man-pages, though
[2021-07-27T18:56:58Z] <ang> and man -k (apropos)
[2021-07-27T19:04:22Z] <acheam_> ang: things like a simple http website, ftp, finger, etc are all super quick
[2021-07-27T19:04:23Z] <acheam_> because its all built into the OS, and is very simple to setup
[2021-07-27T19:04:23Z] <acheam_> in the case of ftp and finger, I literally just needed to uncomment a line each in /etc/inetd.conf
[2021-07-27T19:04:24Z] <ang> yep
[2021-07-27T19:04:30Z] <ang> sane defaults ftw
[2021-07-27T19:04:45Z] <acheam_> but for more complex things, like SSL and CGI, obsd httpd is a bit more complex than caddy
[2021-07-27T19:04:46Z] <ang> sane and secure that is
[2021-07-27T19:04:50Z] <acheam_> indeed
[2021-07-27T19:04:57Z] <acheam_> complex to configure that is
[2021-07-27T19:05:01Z] <acheam_> not complex in implementation
[2021-07-27T19:05:19Z] <acheam_> the learning curve is like 1 day
[2021-07-27T19:05:28Z] <ang> yeah, not too bad really
[2021-07-27T19:05:34Z] <acheam_> just read hier(7), and afterboot(8)
[2021-07-27T19:05:36Z] <ang> I haven't really messed around with server stuff
[2021-07-27T19:05:41Z] <acheam_> you should, its fun
[2021-07-27T19:05:41Z] <ang> my needs are simple
[2021-07-27T19:06:11Z] <acheam_> my biggest complaint is that the packages aren't patched to remove dependencies
[2021-07-27T19:06:20Z] <acheam_> so you have to live with gettext, dbus, etc
[2021-07-27T19:06:25Z] <ang> we've been a bit spoiled
[2021-07-27T19:06:34Z] <acheam_> indeed
[2021-07-27T19:06:38Z] <ang> kinda anooyed me too
[2021-07-27T19:06:43Z] <ang> annoyed*
[2021-07-27T19:07:03Z] <ang> I like the whole *.local concept
[2021-07-27T19:07:11Z] <ang> totally half-assed on linux
[2021-07-27T19:07:33Z] <acheam_> oh the other annoying thing is the lack of XDG base dir support
[2021-07-27T19:08:05Z] <ang> what do you use that for? I'm not really familiar with XDG stuff
[2021-07-27T19:08:15Z] <acheam_> moves things out of ~ into .config, .local, etc
[2021-07-27T19:08:30Z] <acheam_> I had 3 dotfiles in ~ on kiss, .config, .local, and .cache
[2021-07-27T19:08:34Z] <acheam_> on obsd I have 32
[2021-07-27T19:08:38Z] <ang> oh like core open bsd things don't honor it
[2021-07-27T19:08:41Z] <acheam_> yeah
[2021-07-27T19:09:10Z] <ang> for quite a few utilities you can usually change config dir manually
[2021-07-27T19:09:42Z] <ang> with an env var or by defining an alias with something like --config ~/.config/....
[2021-07-27T19:10:08Z] <acheam_> ik
[2021-07-27T19:10:13Z] <acheam_> but its not by default
[2021-07-27T19:10:24Z] <ang> aye
[2021-07-27T19:14:16Z] <ang> how bad is it after claening up? I just remember having ksh and csh files
[2021-07-27T19:16:03Z] <acheam_> haven't tried...
[2021-07-27T19:16:31Z] <acheam_> there are a lot of Xorg ones that i'm not sure can be moved
[2021-07-27T19:38:51Z] <micro_O> acheam i love the awards section of that site https://madsenworld.dk/awards/index-uk.htm
[2021-07-27T19:39:07Z] <micro_O> maybe i update kiss-find to that kinda styling
[2021-07-27T19:41:19Z] <acheam_> wow very jelous of his rewards
[2021-07-27T20:02:14Z] <kyxor> that's a cool website
[2021-07-27T20:05:57Z] <kyxor> man I gotta work on my website, I've been too lazy to update it move all the things, and self host everything
[2021-07-27T20:06:27Z] <noocsharp> openbsd on servers is the way
[2021-07-27T20:15:33Z] <acheam_> kyxor: your website is really something
[2021-07-27T20:16:10Z] <kyxor> I am very creative I know
[2021-07-27T20:16:41Z] <acheam_> i'm trying to go for a non-tacky early 2000s feel for mine
[2021-07-27T20:16:55Z] <acheam_> tried out like 50 under construction gifs so far, still haven't found one that I like
[2021-07-27T20:17:13Z] <acheam_> but i finally caved, and added CSS and images
[2021-07-27T20:17:34Z] <acheam_> but only 1 rule, and images only on the homepage!
[2021-07-27T20:17:46Z] <acheam_> s/rule/css rule/g
[2021-07-27T20:20:53Z] <Anonymous> Hi. Can you recommend a minimalistic Linux web server with CGI support?
[2021-07-27T20:21:40Z] <Anonymous> like OpenBSD's httpd
[2021-07-27T20:31:48Z] <msk[m]> Anonymous is nginx minimalistic?
[2021-07-27T20:35:45Z] <acheam_> msk[m]: no
[2021-07-27T20:36:56Z] <acheam_> Anonymous: thttpd, merecat
[2021-07-27T20:37:09Z] <acheam_> merecat is forked from thttpd
[2021-07-27T20:42:35Z] <Anonymous> Thanks, I'll take a look
[2021-07-27T20:47:08Z] <rio6> while true; do cat header index.html | ncat -l 80; done
[2021-07-27T20:50:54Z] <acheam_> cgi tho
[2021-07-27T20:55:11Z] <acheam_> noocsharp: how do you get your files onto your web server?
[2021-07-27T20:55:34Z] <acheam_> i used to use rsync to a "web" user, but because obsd httpd files are root owned, not sure what to do
[2021-07-27T20:58:23Z] <kyxor> ftp?
[2021-07-27T20:58:37Z] <acheam_> still root owned
[2021-07-27T21:11:13Z] <acheam_> i just chowned it for now, but it doesn't *feel* right
[2021-07-27T22:00:32Z] <noocsharp> wdym they're root owned? like the files you're serving?
[2021-07-27T22:01:18Z] <noocsharp> i serve files owned by a non-root user