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[2021-06-18T00:56:45Z] <GalaxyNova> what do you guys think about fish shell
[2021-06-18T01:06:30Z] <acheam> no neeed
[2021-06-18T01:06:36Z] <acheam> I just use busybox adh
[2021-06-18T01:07:11Z] <midfavila-laptop> adh
[2021-06-18T01:07:14Z] <midfavila-laptop> the strongest shell
[2021-06-18T01:08:06Z] <acheam> I'm on my phone, okay? have mercy
[2021-06-18T01:08:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> no mercy
[2021-06-18T01:08:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> phoneposters will be given twice as many beatings
[2021-06-18T01:08:58Z] <acheam> I resist
[2021-06-18T01:10:25Z] <midfavila-laptop> roll for defense
[2021-06-18T05:06:37Z] <testuser[m]1> Hi
[2021-06-18T05:09:58Z] <rio6> after 2 hours of debugging, apparently gawk breaks when the first environment variable is a number
[2021-06-18T05:10:01Z] <rio6> env -i 0=test $(env) awk 'BEGIN { print(ENVIRON["HOME"]) }'
[2021-06-18T05:10:58Z] <rio6> how could I have guess that :P
[2021-06-18T14:37:47Z] <midfavila> til that you can use subshells inside of sed
[2021-06-18T14:38:26Z] <testuser[m]1> why not, as long as its inside double quotes
[2021-06-18T14:39:06Z] <midfavila> yeah, that was sort of my thinking, I've just never done it before
[2021-06-18T14:39:17Z] <midfavila> but I've spent a little bit of time this morning improving my plumber
[2021-06-18T14:39:26Z] <midfavila> dropped eleven lines of script
[2021-06-18T14:39:52Z] <testuser[m]1> nice
[2021-06-18T14:40:02Z] <testuser[m]1> How's k&r going
[2021-06-18T14:40:18Z] <midfavila> K&R is going well. Read a couple chapters this morning
[2021-06-18T14:40:26Z] <midfavila> then took a break to work on my plumber, haha
[2021-06-18T14:40:37Z] <midfavila> probably gonna tinker on stumpwm and have my noon tea soon
[2021-06-18T14:41:16Z] <midfavila> I want to finish K&R within the next couple days. Ideally tomorrow, but the day after will also be acceptable
[2021-06-18T14:41:18Z] <schillingklaus> is stumpwm already available as package?
[2021-06-18T14:41:24Z] <testuser[m]1> no
[2021-06-18T14:41:27Z] <midfavila> Oh, no, I haven't packaged stumpwm
[2021-06-18T14:41:32Z] <midfavila> I can get around to it later today
[2021-06-18T14:41:44Z] <midfavila> but it's not hard to build from source once you have sbcl, which I *have* packaged, klaus
[2021-06-18T14:42:25Z] <testuser[m]1> btw mid implementing privacy-redirect inside of links can be a good exercise, check line 457 of url.c
[2021-06-18T14:42:38Z] <midfavila> Hmm.
[2021-06-18T14:42:47Z] <midfavila> I'll take a look.
[2021-06-18T14:43:05Z] <midfavila> If I do anything like that, I'd want to handle it similarly to how Links handles MIMEs
[2021-06-18T14:43:15Z] <midfavila> you know, match it against a user-defined database and then handle it appropriately?
[2021-06-18T14:43:56Z] <testuser[m]1> yea
[2021-06-18T14:44:04Z] <midfavila> although, ngl,
[2021-06-18T14:44:20Z] <midfavila> i've been thinking more and more about how Links would be perfect if I could make just a *few tiny tweaks*
[2021-06-18T14:44:32Z] <midfavila> would be nice to fork it in the future, or something
[2021-06-18T14:44:56Z] <midfavila> I basically just want a graphical Lynx, haha.
[2021-06-18T14:45:04Z] <midfavila> Links is kinda inferior to Lynx in a lot of ways...
[2021-06-18T14:45:13Z] <midfavila> ...but then it also has a graphical mode
[2021-06-18T14:46:12Z] <schillingklaus> is delegating graphics to external viewers not an option?
[2021-06-18T14:46:40Z] <midfavila> Oh, it is, but I don't want to download every single image in a page.
[2021-06-18T14:46:42Z] <testuser[m]1> you can make it open gui programs for images and stuff
[2021-06-18T14:46:45Z] <midfavila> Not to disk, anyway.
[2021-06-18T14:47:08Z] <midfavila> If I could somehow create an unholy fusion of Links and Dillo, but with GTK...
[2021-06-18T14:49:23Z] <testuser[m]1> what stuff does lynx have? just looks like a more colorful links to me
[2021-06-18T14:49:34Z] <midfavila> CSS
[2021-06-18T14:49:38Z] <midfavila> at least to a limited degree
[2021-06-18T14:49:45Z] <midfavila> Links lacks CSS entirely
[2021-06-18T14:49:49Z] <testuser[m]1> yea
[2021-06-18T14:49:54Z] <midfavila> or, at least, positioning elements
[2021-06-18T14:50:49Z] <midfavila> ...also, the color for Lynx is admittedly quite nice
[2021-06-18T14:52:45Z] <testuser[m]1> why dont you use it
[2021-06-18T14:52:58Z] <midfavila> Because I'm actually not a huge fan of terminal programs.
[2021-06-18T14:53:28Z] <midfavila> Terminals are great for text processing, but anything remotely graphical should be done in a GUI, imo
[2021-06-18T14:53:53Z] <midfavila> not that there aren't merits to using stuff like imagemagick and ffmpeg, though, there totally are
[2021-06-18T20:02:24Z] <Sweets> .
[2021-06-18T20:02:40Z] <Sweets> sugma
[2021-06-18T20:03:54Z] <acheam> can someone tell mmatongo that libnl depends on bison?
[2021-06-18T20:03:58Z] <acheam> his email isnt working
[2021-06-18T20:04:28Z] <acheam> so if any of you githubbers could let him know, it would be much appreciated
[2021-06-18T21:19:29Z] <dilyn> if anyone has a problem building rust 1.53.0 let me know :)
[2021-06-18T21:30:48Z] <acheam> dilyns getting to comfortable
[2021-06-18T21:31:03Z] <acheam> thinking we'd let him off Scott free after a bad update
[2021-06-18T21:31:15Z] <acheam> you know thats a punishable offense
[2021-06-18T21:39:05Z] <Sweets> .
[2021-06-18T21:39:31Z] <Sweets> bueno
[2021-06-18T21:40:59Z] <claudia> hello hello hello
[2021-06-18T22:55:27Z] <riteo> hiiii!
[2021-06-18T22:55:41Z] <riteo> testuser[m] I got bad news for you
[2021-06-18T22:56:21Z] <riteo> I don't know what black magic adélie linux did, but musl complains about weird configurations in how nvidia's driver are compiled AFAICT
[2021-06-18T22:57:54Z] <riteo> it'll take longer than expected to run them
[2021-06-18T22:59:14Z] <riteo> the issue looks related to Thread Local Storage and the combination of both initial-exec TLS and dynamic linking or something related to that, I've still got to find out more details
[2021-06-18T22:59:33Z] <riteo> all I know is that Xorg complains with this line: Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglxserver_nvidia.so: Error relocating /lib/libnvidia-tls.so.465.27: _nv005tls: initial-exec TLS reso
[2021-06-18T22:59:37Z] <riteo> lves to dynamic definition in /lib/libnvidia-tls.so.465.27
[2021-06-18T22:59:49Z] <riteo> (pardon the splitting)
[2021-06-18T23:08:55Z] <riteo> does anyone smarter than me have a clearer idea of what's happening here? As I said I didn't find these issue on my experiments on adélie linux and I even got as far as to run i3 on it. Maybe if I got it right (dlopen and initial-exec TLS not working well togheter on musl, although I have no idea yet if nvidia drivers do that) they could've patched musl a little? Looking at the package sources there
[2021-06-18T23:09:01Z] <riteo> seem to be some patch files, but considering that I can't find out their license I'd like to avoid opening them.