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[2021-05-22T00:29:23Z] <june> hey someone told me y'all were using some of my software so I was reading the website, I like the principles listed in the FAQ
[2021-05-22T00:30:10Z] <june> I'm not a linux user but those seem like good goals
[2021-05-22T00:32:40Z] <lapanom> hi! yes, catgirl has been a hit
[2021-05-22T00:33:01Z] <lapanom> and phoebos set up some logging using your software
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[2021-05-22T03:06:06Z] <testuser[m]> hi
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[2021-05-22T03:18:23Z] <fps0> https://youtu.be/T0NYZDGTA5g the l0de radio hour is live! IRC's FINEST HOUR, the late night call in show where you are the star! Call in live, tonight's episl0de: A Small White Dog
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[2021-05-22T03:41:30Z] <zola> I have a stupid question, how do we set the timezone on kiss?
[2021-05-22T03:44:32Z] <illiliti> https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/software/tzdata
[2021-05-22T03:50:24Z] <noocsharp> in the same way that kiss supports only english, it supports only one timezone: UTC
[2021-05-22T04:01:25Z] <zola> thanks a lot illiliti , i don't know how i managed to miss it @
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[2021-05-22T04:18:20Z] <rio6> I think chat filters on weechat isn't working for me :P
[2021-05-22T04:20:49Z] <sourtaste000> Hello, I am trying to install kiss linux, and I am stuck on step 5.2. When I type `kiss update`, it all executes correctly until when it is trying to build libressl. It exits with an error that said "Checksum mismatch with: libressl". Is there something wrong with my repo setup?
[2021-05-22T04:21:36Z] <sourtaste000> the main kiss-community/repo is up to date
[2021-05-22T04:24:15Z] <illiliti> sourtaste000: run: rm -rf ~/.cache/kiss/sources/libressl
[2021-05-22T04:24:20Z] <illiliti> and try again
[2021-05-22T04:24:45Z] <sourtaste000> that worked, thanks
[2021-05-22T04:24:50Z] <sourtaste000> i wonder how that solves the issue
[2021-05-22T04:25:15Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/kiss-community/kiss/issues/25
[2021-05-22T04:25:54Z] <sourtaste000> ah :b
[2021-05-22T04:25:56Z] <sourtaste000> thanks again
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[2021-05-22T07:36:36Z] <testuser[m]> is there something like xvfb for wayland
[2021-05-22T07:40:41Z] <testuser[m]> looks like you need to use vnc
[2021-05-22T07:41:03Z] <testuser[m]> https://libredd.it/r/swaywm/comments/fye83y/xvfb/
[2021-05-22T07:42:24Z] <testuser[m]> there's something from kde too but it'll need qt libs :/
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[2021-05-22T10:58:52Z] <gtms> Is there package for gnu/tar? Trying to compile kernel and failing with busybox/tar
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[2021-05-22T11:14:57Z] <kubast2> How can I setup acpi events for acpid?
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[2021-05-22T11:25:19Z] <kubast2> what's the default handler for acpi(D)?
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[2021-05-22T11:37:38Z] <kubast2> Anyone got an example acpid.conf file?
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[2021-05-22T11:49:09Z] <kubast2> https://dpaste.com/7S3KE7X8E
[2021-05-22T11:49:20Z] <kubast2> how do I prevent this? and especially the leading ":" ?
[2021-05-22T11:50:25Z] <kubast2> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 270 May 5 22:12 /etc/profile.d/10-kiss.sh
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[2021-05-22T11:52:54Z] <kubast2> so as I understand it /etc/profile doesn't get executed before the inittab
[2021-05-22T11:55:24Z] <kubast2> okay, I see now what it really is, ssh invokation of ash isn't recognized as a login shell
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[2021-05-22T12:26:24Z] <aws_> hi hello
[2021-05-22T12:29:51Z] <aws> do you guys register your alt accounts such as nick_ to use irc from multiple places or can that be achieved with a bouncer
[2021-05-22T12:31:08Z] <kubast2> I never do I just login to my regular account regardless of a nick
[2021-05-22T12:32:14Z] <aws> okay
[2021-05-22T12:32:18Z] <aws> do you use a bouncer ?
[2021-05-22T12:32:24Z] <kubast2> I used a bouncer
[2021-05-22T12:32:34Z] <kubast2> I bought a 15 euro a year vps
[2021-05-22T12:32:38Z] <kubast2> and put a bouncher on there
[2021-05-22T12:32:51Z] <kubast2> kvm 256MiB ram 1vCPU 10GiB hdd 100GiB traffic
[2021-05-22T12:33:17Z] <kubast2> negociated a price by scuffing the vm to kingdome fuck, but I got it runned under KVM instead of openvz
[2021-05-22T12:41:28Z] <aws_> mhm
[2021-05-22T12:42:01Z] <aws_> I have a VPS, would you say it is worth it to invest the (likely) 5 minutes needed to set up an irc bouncer ?
[2021-05-22T12:42:29Z] <kubast2> not everyone knows about existance of MemoServ
[2021-05-22T12:42:39Z] <kubast2> or it is equivlant on every irc network
[2021-05-22T12:42:40Z] <kubast2> kind of
[2021-05-22T12:42:50Z] <kubast2> it is definietly usefull
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[2021-05-22T14:15:23Z] <zenomat> why tf can't I find proper documentation for xft?
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[2021-05-22T14:58:45Z] <zenomat> found something, a bit useful
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[2021-05-22T15:19:09Z] <zenomat> i love code without comments
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[2021-05-22T15:42:28Z] <acheam> anybody know how to resolve this:
[2021-05-22T15:43:16Z] <acheam> _FontTransOpen: Unable to Parse address ${prefix}/use/share/fonts/X11/misc/
[2021-05-22T15:43:27Z] <acheam> when starting xorg with sx
[2021-05-22T15:45:58Z] <acheam> it happens with startx as well
[2021-05-22T15:48:52Z] <carlosdavidepto> i don't recall seeing /use in the FHS
[2021-05-22T15:49:00Z] <carlosdavidepto> looks suspicious
[2021-05-22T15:49:07Z] <acheam> oops lol
[2021-05-22T15:49:16Z] <acheam> usr
[2021-05-22T15:49:22Z] <acheam> am typing from my phone
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[2021-05-22T15:56:22Z] <noocsharp> does the directory exist? i just have fonts/misc
[2021-05-22T15:58:54Z] <carlosdavidepto> neither the sx script itself nor the kiss build script have a $prefix
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[2021-05-22T15:59:44Z] <carlosdavidepto> maybe it's a xorg-server thing. does regular startx work?
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[2021-05-22T16:01:28Z] <noocsharp> well if prefix isn't defined, it will just be an empty string
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[2021-05-22T16:09:04Z] <testuser[m]> acheam is that the actual error ? a lot of those show up but theyre harmless
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[2021-05-22T16:22:26Z] <testuser[m]> hi phoebos
[2021-05-22T16:22:32Z] <phoebos> hola
[2021-05-22T16:24:17Z] <testuser[m]> whats +z
[2021-05-22T16:24:44Z] <zr> testuser[m]: it allows ops to see messages from quieted users
[2021-05-22T16:25:24Z] <zr> I've quieted unregistered users here temporarily, as there seem to be some spambots going around (and I think one of them joined here a before getting an insta-kline)
[2021-05-22T16:25:37Z] <testuser[m]> oh
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[2021-05-22T17:37:02Z] <testuser[m]> how do you get a cloak ?
[2021-05-22T17:37:24Z] <dilyn> ask in libera-cloak iirc
[2021-05-22T17:39:47Z] <ang> they added a bot, just type !cloakme in #libera-cloak
[2021-05-22T17:41:36Z] <midfavila> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
[2021-05-22T17:44:55Z] <travankor> ruh roh
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[2021-05-22T17:47:39Z] <testuser[m]_> test
[2021-05-22T17:47:50Z] <testuser[m]_> why did i become $name + _
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[2021-05-22T17:51:51Z] <midfavila> i've spent the past five hours setting up these heavy-duty monitor mounts
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[2021-05-22T17:55:08Z] <testuser[m]_> huh
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[2021-05-22T17:55:13Z] <midfavila> ?
[2021-05-22T17:55:36Z] <midfavila> ...oh, wait, what the hell
[2021-05-22T17:55:40Z] <midfavila> my messages earlier didn't send
[2021-05-22T17:55:52Z] <cem> Welcome to a new network
[2021-05-22T17:55:52Z] <midfavila> I keep timing out :|
[2021-05-22T17:56:04Z] <midfavila> yeah, it's only to be expected
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[2021-05-22T17:56:25Z] <midfavila> anyway, I was going to say before I disconnected, I've spent the past five hours setting up mounts for my monitors
[2021-05-22T17:56:30Z] <midfavila> and it was a massive pain in the ass
[2021-05-22T17:56:46Z] <carlosdavidepto> how many monitors?
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[2021-05-22T17:57:34Z] <midfavila> three, but I have a fourth pair
[2021-05-22T17:57:38Z] <cem> Man, I wish my novideo GPU allowed me to have attach an extra monitor
[2021-05-22T17:57:48Z] <midfavila> based wx5100 chad reporting in
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[2021-05-22T17:57:50Z] <cem> s/have //
[2021-05-22T17:57:55Z] <midfavila> quad DP on a single-slot card
[2021-05-22T17:58:21Z] <midfavila> i actually need like, a fucking protractor, or something
[2021-05-22T17:58:25Z] <midfavila> so I can measure the angles on all of these
[2021-05-22T17:58:29Z] <midfavila> and line them up properly
[2021-05-22T17:59:11Z] <carlosdavidepto> When I set this station up I decided to just use one ultrawide and be done with it
[2021-05-22T17:59:26Z] <midfavila> i dislike ultrawides
[2021-05-22T17:59:51Z] <midfavila> because normally I have some monitors vertical, and some horizontal
[2021-05-22T18:00:36Z] <dilyn> the wx2100 is annoying because it has a SINGLE dp and two mini-dp
[2021-05-22T18:00:36Z] <dilyn> who tf has mini dp
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[2021-05-22T18:01:22Z] <carlosdavidepto> i have grown to like ultrawides, because they let me have something similar to a multi monitor setup without actually having multiple monitors
[2021-05-22T18:01:22Z] <midfavila> horizontal is for media, vertical is for work
[2021-05-22T18:01:22Z] <midfavila> corporations, apparently
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[2021-05-22T18:02:25Z] <carlosdavidepto> ultrawides are nice with tiling wms
[2021-05-22T18:02:28Z] <dilyn> i just want a 5700xt
[2021-05-22T18:02:29Z] <dilyn> pls amd
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[2021-05-22T18:06:44Z] <midfavila> based liberanet destroying high-ping virgins
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[2021-05-22T18:09:36Z] <dilyn> fun fact: snapd requires xfsprogs...
[2021-05-22T18:09:51Z] <midfavila> don't tell me
[2021-05-22T18:09:52Z] <midfavila> are you
[2021-05-22T18:09:57Z] <midfavila> are you using snaps on kiss
[2021-05-22T18:10:17Z] <zenomat> blashpemy
[2021-05-22T18:10:51Z] <carlosdavidepto> of the egregious kind. last I checked, snapd depended on systemd
[2021-05-22T18:11:12Z] <carlosdavidepto> i wonder why it needs xfsprogs though
[2021-05-22T18:11:20Z] <midfavila> next thing I know you'll be using the GNU coreutils
[2021-05-22T18:11:31Z] <midfavila> absolutely heretical
[2021-05-22T18:20:36Z] <dilyn> it is also pretty busted up by gcc 11 lmao
[2021-05-22T18:20:43Z] <dilyn> lots of #include <limits.h> going around
[2021-05-22T18:20:48Z] <dilyn> I don't think it hard-requires systemd
[2021-05-22T18:21:56Z] <dilyn> I'm a heretic :v
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[2021-05-22T18:35:33Z] <carlosdavidepto> on the note of alt packaging formats
[2021-05-22T18:35:57Z] <carlosdavidepto> what's the current state of affairs regarding appimages on kiss/musl?
[2021-05-22T18:36:30Z] <dilyn> fuse2 was added to community
[2021-05-22T18:36:43Z] <dilyn> so presumably somebody is using appmiages
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[2021-05-22T18:38:08Z] <carlosdavidepto> there was this idea floating around a while ago to base appimages on alpine
[2021-05-22T18:38:16Z] <carlosdavidepto> and just bundle everything down to the libc
[2021-05-22T18:38:18Z] <testuser[m]> wtf why would you intentionally use snap
[2021-05-22T18:38:37Z] <carlosdavidepto> don't think that went anywhere though
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[2021-05-22T18:39:44Z] <dilyn> I don't understand why people hate snaps
[2021-05-22T18:39:57Z] <dilyn> they're just a better version of flatpacks, which are a worse version of ubuntu's repository system
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[2021-05-22T18:48:01Z] <midfavila> anything from canonical needs to be quarantined.
[2021-05-22T18:49:48Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-05-22T18:49:58Z] <dilyn> they do that themselves. that's the whole entire point of snaps :v
[2021-05-22T18:50:10Z] <dilyn> on ubuntu core literally everything is a snap
[2021-05-22T18:52:58Z] <carlosdavidepto> the big problem with all these things is that they're just a band aid
[2021-05-22T18:53:37Z] <carlosdavidepto> appimage less so than the others, but still
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[2021-05-22T18:55:40Z] <dilyn> a bandaid for what though?
[2021-05-22T18:56:00Z] <midfavila> OH MY GOD
[2021-05-22T18:56:06Z] <carlosdavidepto> lack of knowledge of software engineering principles
[2021-05-22T18:56:06Z] <midfavila> it makes sense why their images are so huge now!!!
[2021-05-22T18:56:16Z] <midfavila> it's not because they include too much software
[2021-05-22T18:56:28Z] <midfavila> it's because they include hundreds of copies of libraries in their shitty snaps!
[2021-05-22T18:56:34Z] <midfavila> thank you for this knowledge, dilyn
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[2021-05-22T18:57:44Z] <dilyn> ... how else would the snap run, mid?
[2021-05-22T18:57:56Z] <midfavila> i didn't think they were stupid enough to put every single program inside of a snap
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[2021-05-22T18:58:08Z] <dilyn> is it *right* to demand that software USERS have intimate knowledge of software engineering principles tho?
[2021-05-22T18:58:14Z] <dilyn> ??? what do you mean
[2021-05-22T18:58:30Z] <dilyn> snaps are like, essentially just bad static programs
[2021-05-22T18:58:35Z] <carlosdavidepto> I mean from the side of developers
[2021-05-22T18:58:39Z] <midfavila> > on ubuntu core literally everything is a snap
[2021-05-22T18:58:46Z] <midfavila> is this a literal or figurative statement
[2021-05-22T18:59:04Z] <dilyn> oh? can you explain that carlos
[2021-05-22T18:59:08Z] <dilyn> > literally
[2021-05-22T18:59:09Z] <dilyn> literal
[2021-05-22T18:59:19Z] <midfavila> people literally don't use literally properly, any more
[2021-05-22T18:59:20Z] <midfavila> so I had to check
[2021-05-22T18:59:25Z] <dilyn> every THING is a snap. all the software, the core utilities, systemd, snap itself,
[2021-05-22T18:59:29Z] <dilyn> the bootloader and firmware
[2021-05-22T18:59:30Z] <dilyn> the kernel
[2021-05-22T18:59:34Z] <midfavila> yes, that's what I was checked
[2021-05-22T18:59:36Z] <midfavila> checking*
[2021-05-22T18:59:38Z] <dilyn> everything is a snap
[2021-05-22T18:59:42Z] <dilyn> yeah it took me by surprise
[2021-05-22T18:59:43Z] <midfavila> that's.... even worse than I thought
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[2021-05-22T18:59:48Z] <dilyn> lmao
[2021-05-22T18:59:54Z] <midfavila> I'm never using an ubuntu system for anything ever again
[2021-05-22T19:00:06Z] <dilyn> I mean if you want to jail every application in a convenient way, snaps allow that
[2021-05-22T19:00:15Z] <midfavila> how about I just
[2021-05-22T19:00:16Z] <midfavila> don't
[2021-05-22T19:00:17Z] <dilyn> ubuntu core is different from ubuntu
[2021-05-22T19:00:18Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-05-22T19:00:23Z] <dilyn> i guess
[2021-05-22T19:00:24Z] <carlosdavidepto> because developers don't usually learn proper software layering techniques, this leads to software that is too tightly coupled to behaviors which change across platforms
[2021-05-22T19:01:05Z] <carlosdavidepto> and by platform, i mean OSs, LIBCs, but also certain dependencies/libraries
[2021-05-22T19:01:10Z] <dilyn> I don't think that a system which is ostensibly a solution to that problem could be called a bandaid
[2021-05-22T19:01:30Z] <dilyn> I mean, if it's an attempt at solving this issue, is it not simply the solution?
[2021-05-22T19:01:53Z] <dilyn> the alternative is... what... massive reeducation and the formalization of some standard? do we gatekeep programming like that?
[2021-05-22T19:01:53Z] <carlosdavidepto> they're not solving it, they're hiding it
[2021-05-22T19:01:58Z] <dilyn> or just let people faff about
[2021-05-22T19:02:10Z] <dilyn> I don't know how it's hiding it tho
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[2021-05-22T19:02:22Z] <dilyn> (I'm not being argumentative, this is genuine curiosity)
[2021-05-22T19:02:40Z] <carlosdavidepto> (I know :) )
[2021-05-22T19:02:46Z] <midfavila> dilyn unironically yes.
[2021-05-22T19:02:55Z] <midfavila> POSIX and similar specs exist for a reason
[2021-05-22T19:02:59Z] <carlosdavidepto> i only talk once a year but I read the logs guys
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[2021-05-22T19:03:04Z] <carlosdavidepto> :D
[2021-05-22T19:03:06Z] <dilyn> lol
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[2021-05-22T19:03:40Z] <dilyn> POSIX solves a different type of problem tho
[2021-05-22T19:03:52Z] <dilyn> the issue we're having that snaps solves is essentially a versioning and features problem, no?
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[2021-05-22T19:04:13Z] <dilyn> like that appimages require fuse2. which is absurd, and perhaps that should be fixed
[2021-05-22T19:04:23Z] <midfavila> i was replying to your "we can't just gatekeep programming can we"
[2021-05-22T19:04:24Z] <dilyn> but if nobody wants to change that for whatever reason...
[2021-05-22T19:04:39Z] <midfavila> like, you literally can. and should. saying this as someone trying to learn to program.
[2021-05-22T19:04:55Z] <carlosdavidepto> i'm more concerned about what's inside the appimage/flatpack/snap
[2021-05-22T19:05:01Z] <dilyn> I don't think there are many good places where gatekeeping is the solution
[2021-05-22T19:05:02Z] <carlosdavidepto> not so much the format of delivery
[2021-05-22T19:05:08Z] <midfavila> gatekeeping isn't inherently bad and I'm really sick of seeing people act as if it is
[2021-05-22T19:05:26Z] <carlosdavidepto> here's an example: glibc nonstandard behavior
[2021-05-22T19:05:56Z] <zenomat> i dont say we should gatekep, but a certain level of expertise should a a requirement, otherwise it will get worse and worse. like not everybody can be a surgeon without training
[2021-05-22T19:06:22Z] <dilyn> totally
[2021-05-22T19:06:26Z] <carlosdavidepto> one easy way to avoid this nonsense, is to ensure your application compiles, passes tests and runs cleanly on at least two different implementations
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[2021-05-22T19:07:00Z] <carlosdavidepto> this is super easy to do today with containers for most apps
[2021-05-22T19:07:13Z] <midfavila> that's... the entire point of gatekeeping, zenomat...
[2021-05-22T19:07:18Z] <dilyn> how are containers not a bandaid?
[2021-05-22T19:07:24Z] <dilyn> that is not what gatekeeping is mid :X
[2021-05-22T19:07:48Z] <carlosdavidepto> containers solve a different problem
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[2021-05-22T19:07:55Z] <dilyn> which is?
[2021-05-22T19:08:03Z] <dilyn> I've never used containers so I don't entirely know what they're up to haha
[2021-05-22T19:08:05Z] <zenomat> nah, not gatekeeping, gatekeeping would be saying, oh you are only so and so old, you have no right to be here, something like this
[2021-05-22T19:08:15Z] <carlosdavidepto> i need the container as a developer, but once the -musl and -glibc bins are built, i can just redistribute them
[2021-05-22T19:08:30Z] <carlosdavidepto> container not needed for end user
[2021-05-22T19:08:35Z] <midfavila> if that's what your understanding of gatekeeping is, then yes, I agree that that's stupid
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[2021-05-22T19:09:15Z] <midfavila> judging someone's merit off of their age or other characteristics when not directly relevant is... not great.
[2021-05-22T19:09:52Z] <zenomat> yeah, but also not giving them a chance to learn, just because their new. give them a chance
[2021-05-22T19:10:09Z] <zenomat> not giving them a chance because their new for example is gatekeeping
[2021-05-22T19:10:27Z] <midfavila> i disagree
[2021-05-22T19:10:38Z] <midfavila> you learn what you need to know before you get to exercise that in the real world.
[2021-05-22T19:11:03Z] <dilyn> ew
[2021-05-22T19:11:17Z] <midfavila> like, to use surgeons as an example, just because you brought them up
[2021-05-22T19:11:17Z] <midfavila> i don't feel particularly comfortable with the thought of "giving the rookie a chance" on a patient
[2021-05-22T19:11:32Z] <zenomat> yes im with you there, but just having the possibility to practive is important
[2021-05-22T19:11:36Z] <dilyn> every surgeon has a first surgery
[2021-05-22T19:11:42Z] <carlosdavidepto> the tl;dr of containers is: think of a chroot, but you also have user, process, and network namespace isolation
[2021-05-22T19:11:49Z] <zenomat> i mean denying them the chance to even practice
[2021-05-22T19:11:51Z] <carlosdavidepto> among other things
[2021-05-22T19:12:13Z] <dilyn> yeah I get that, but say I don't want to have that entire infrastructure around my software stack or something
[2021-05-22T19:12:23Z] <dilyn> like, I have cgroups and namespaces *already*
[2021-05-22T19:12:54Z] <dilyn> can I not simply containerize the app itself and rely on the technology that already exists on my system without... building an entire alpine image for it?
[2021-05-22T19:13:11Z] <carlosdavidepto> depends on how complex your app is
[2021-05-22T19:13:23Z] <carlosdavidepto> dwm is very crossplatform :D
[2021-05-22T19:13:31Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-05-22T19:13:37Z] <carlosdavidepto> but signal-desktop, not so much
[2021-05-22T19:13:57Z] <carlosdavidepto> or at least, it wont play well with musl because electron
[2021-05-22T19:14:14Z] <dilyn> yeah; electron feels more like a bandaid
[2021-05-22T19:14:15Z] <carlosdavidepto> side note: electron, it too, is a band-aid
[2021-05-22T19:14:19Z] <dilyn> :)
[2021-05-22T19:15:11Z] <carlosdavidepto> "we cannot be arsed to implement the two protocols we need so we'll bring in an entire browser engine with the app. is that cool with you?"
[2021-05-22T19:15:34Z] <dilyn> indeed
[2021-05-22T19:16:06Z] <dilyn> 'you know that thing everyone complains about because it's a memory hog and incredibly complicated? What if we ran every app in a unique instance of that'
[2021-05-22T19:16:23Z] <carlosdavidepto> ahahahah yes
[2021-05-22T19:19:02Z] <carlosdavidepto> I still have machines with 4G from the core2 era. They run fine, because none of this stuff is there to muffle them.
[2021-05-22T19:19:13Z] <midfavila> can confirm
[2021-05-22T19:19:25Z] <midfavila> ancient machines run fine until you install anything web-based
[2021-05-22T19:20:00Z] <carlosdavidepto> or you try to compile your own browser
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[2021-05-22T19:20:24Z] <midfavila> it takes half an hour to build a *light* browser on my main rig...
[2021-05-22T19:20:33Z] <midfavila> I don't want to think about how long it'd take on my old C2D
[2021-05-22T19:21:08Z] <midfavila> that poor, poor L7500...
[2021-05-22T19:22:30Z] <carlosdavidepto> A couple of years ago I tried to compile electron for alpine. A very unproductive saturday.
[2021-05-22T19:32:05Z] <aws> hehe
[2021-05-22T19:32:14Z] <aws> that reminds me of my attempts to compile chromium on kiss
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[2021-05-22T19:35:10Z] <dilyn> gah. I was supposed to get so many things done today. but I can't think >.<
[2021-05-22T19:39:52Z] <aws> that happens to me sometimes when I don't sleep enough
[2021-05-22T19:44:40Z] <dilyn> I just drank too many beers last night :X
[2021-05-22T19:44:43Z] <dilyn> mas covfefe
[2021-05-22T19:46:01Z] <carlosdavidepto> alcohol disrupts sleep, and lack of sleep correlates with loss of focus
[2021-05-22T19:46:45Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-05-22T19:47:14Z] <dilyn> shit june's here
[2021-05-22T19:47:19Z] <dilyn> they're gonna see me fuck this up aren't they
[2021-05-22T19:47:57Z] <june> who's that
[2021-05-22T19:48:40Z] <june> what are you going to fuck up
[2021-05-22T19:48:56Z] <dilyn> Nothing, probably...
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[2021-05-22T19:51:21Z] <carlosdavidepto> maybe this will help
[2021-05-22T19:51:33Z] <carlosdavidepto> make a list of the things you want to do today
[2021-05-22T19:51:45Z] <carlosdavidepto> order them from most important to least important
[2021-05-22T19:51:53Z] <carlosdavidepto> then fuck all of them up, in that order
[2021-05-22T19:52:13Z] <carlosdavidepto> 0 points for effectiveness, but 100 for organizational skills
[2021-05-22T19:53:01Z] <dilyn> absolutely genius
[2021-05-22T19:53:42Z] <dilyn> it's either irc logs, write a manpage, or test zfs. all of these require too much brain power
[2021-05-22T19:54:14Z] <zr> oh, hey june
[2021-05-22T19:54:31Z] <zr> m3g: You're unidentified, you'll have to identify with NickServ before you can speak here
[2021-05-22T19:54:38Z] <zr> Right now only I can see your messages
[2021-05-22T19:55:13Z] zr set the topic: KISS Linux | https://k1sslinux.org | Due to spam, this channel is +r | logs: https://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~phoebos/logs/ | song of the day: https://inv.skyn3t.in/lhVoP9CrlEU | word of the day: "ChanServ"
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[2021-05-22T20:10:20Z] <m3g> I guess I'll just rejoin lol
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[2021-05-22T20:10:29Z] <kqz> m3g: you're good now
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[2021-05-22T20:10:40Z] <zr> test failed
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[2021-05-22T20:13:20Z] <june> test failed successfully
[2021-05-22T20:13:34Z] <zr> I think I confused them :v
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[2021-05-22T20:15:35Z] <m3g> I see now, lol
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[2021-05-22T20:42:24Z] <m3g> hopefully it's not all spaghetti now for connection
[2021-05-22T20:46:26Z] <midfavila> so
[2021-05-22T20:46:36Z] <midfavila> today in "dear god Mid what have you wrought upon this mortal coil",
[2021-05-22T20:46:55Z] <midfavila> i have improved my modem management script with the following... thing.
[2021-05-22T20:47:04Z] <midfavila> $(((0xFFFFFFFF >> $(sed -ne "s/IP \[0\]\: '\([0-9]*\.[0-9]*\.[0-9]*\.[0-9]*\/[0-9][0-9]\)'/\1/p" /tmp/qic.tmp | sed 's/ //g' | cut -d '/' -f 2)) ^ 0xFF))
[2021-05-22T20:47:09Z] <midfavila> does anyone want to guess what this does
[2021-05-22T20:47:27Z] aws_ changed nick to aws
[2021-05-22T20:49:27Z] <dilyn> :|
[2021-05-22T20:49:47Z] <june> something with cidr masks
[2021-05-22T20:50:00Z] <midfavila> yes, actually
[2021-05-22T20:50:30Z] <midfavila> it converts the last octet from CIDR to standard decimal
[2021-05-22T20:50:48Z] <midfavila> ... well, the cidr mask to a standard decimal octet. w/e
[2021-05-22T20:51:23Z] <aws> octet
[2021-05-22T20:51:36Z] <aws> is that a word english people use ?
[2021-05-22T20:51:45Z] <m3g> octal
[2021-05-22T20:51:48Z] <m3g> ?
[2021-05-22T20:51:51Z] <midfavila> well, sure, but it's not very common
[2021-05-22T20:51:57Z] <midfavila> an "octet" is eight of something
[2021-05-22T20:52:00Z] <midfavila> in this case, eight bits
[2021-05-22T20:52:43Z] <june> comes from before 8-bit bytes were the standard
[2021-05-22T20:53:00Z] * midfavila nods
[2021-05-22T20:53:09Z] <aws> in french we use octet for byte
[2021-05-22T20:53:19Z] <midfavila> huh
[2021-05-22T20:53:21Z] <midfavila> that's neat
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[2021-05-22T20:53:50Z] <midfavila> I only know a little bit of french, since it's the second official language where I live
[2021-05-22T20:54:56Z] <aws> where are you ?
[2021-05-22T20:55:05Z] <midfavila> New Brunswick, Canada.
[2021-05-22T20:55:22Z] <carlosdavidepto> coincidentally, I'm reading this: http://m.assnat.qc.ca/fr/travaux-parlementaires/projets-loi/projet-loi-96-42-1.html
[2021-05-22T20:55:36Z] <midfavila> ah yes
[2021-05-22T20:55:42Z] <midfavila> this is... definitely french.
[2021-05-22T20:56:23Z] <june> hello neighbours :)
[2021-05-22T20:56:28Z] <carlosdavidepto> not just french, the qc french to rule above all frenches
[2021-05-22T20:56:38Z] <midfavila> muh quebecois
[2021-05-22T20:56:59Z] <carlosdavidepto> because apparently, we don't have enough of it here
[2021-05-22T20:57:12Z] <midfavila> i've only been to quebec a few times, while moving. it's... okay. not my favorite province
[2021-05-22T20:57:24Z] <midfavila> travelling through montreal was terrifying
[2021-05-22T20:57:42Z] <carlosdavidepto> how so?
[2021-05-22T20:57:46Z] <midfavila> traffic
[2021-05-22T20:58:05Z] <carlosdavidepto> ah yes
[2021-05-22T20:59:05Z] <june> > Il donne au salarié le droit à un milieu de travail qui soit exempt de discrimination ou de harcèlement lié à l’usage du français
[2021-05-22T20:59:11Z] <june> this some persecution complex shit
[2021-05-22T21:01:18Z] <midfavila> i see... about five words that I understand
[2021-05-22T21:01:19Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2021-05-22T21:01:54Z] <june> smh I thought new brunswick was super bilingual
[2021-05-22T21:01:59Z] <carlosdavidepto> it roughly means "workers have the right to work in a place that does not discriminate against french speakers"
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[2021-05-22T21:02:16Z] <midfavila> in theory it is, but in reality, most people in NB are either anglophone or francophone
[2021-05-22T21:02:27Z] <midfavila> i think it's about a 60/40 split?
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[2021-05-22T21:02:49Z] <midfavila> bilingualism is still somewhat uncommon.
[2021-05-22T21:04:06Z] <june> god do quebec legislators have nothing better to do
[2021-05-22T21:04:13Z] <carlosdavidepto> to me this is all silly of course, because french can only ever be my third language
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[2021-05-22T21:04:59Z] <midfavila> my question is
[2021-05-22T21:05:10Z] <midfavila> who in quebec is going to discriminate against employees for speaking french
[2021-05-22T21:05:23Z] <carlosdavidepto> it companies
[2021-05-22T21:05:29Z] <midfavila> ...seriously?
[2021-05-22T21:05:39Z] <carlosdavidepto> if you only speak french, you're dead in the water
[2021-05-22T21:05:49Z] <june> > Quant à cette dernière, le projet de loi y ajoute la reconnaissance du droit de vivre en français.
[2021-05-22T21:05:53Z] <june> what does this even *mean*
[2021-05-22T21:06:08Z] <midfavila> i mean, I guess if most of the company is anglophonic, but...
[2021-05-22T21:06:18Z] <june> "right to live in french" what????
[2021-05-22T21:07:04Z] <midfavila> i just kind of pretend that quebec doesn't exist
[2021-05-22T21:07:23Z] <carlosdavidepto> the reality of the job market here in montreal, particular with it and as i know it, is as follows
[2021-05-22T21:07:45Z] <carlosdavidepto> bilingual is the default. you have to be bilingual to even apply for certain positions
[2021-05-22T21:07:52Z] <june> midfavila: I pretend the rest of canada doesn't exist :P
[2021-05-22T21:07:59Z] <carlosdavidepto> management for example
[2021-05-22T21:08:00Z] <midfavila> that's fair ngl
[2021-05-22T21:08:04Z] <midfavila> canada is easy to ignore
[2021-05-22T21:08:30Z] <carlosdavidepto> however, if you only speak english, and not french, you can easily comunicate with the rest of canada and the us
[2021-05-22T21:08:34Z] <june> quebec is a thing. the rest of canada is just watered down america
[2021-05-22T21:08:45Z] <carlosdavidepto> if you only speak french, good luck with that
[2021-05-22T21:08:47Z] <midfavila> that's... not really discrimination...
[2021-05-22T21:08:59Z] <midfavila> that's just how the cards fall.
[2021-05-22T21:09:19Z] <carlosdavidepto> right
[2021-05-22T21:09:50Z] <carlosdavidepto> but the way some people see it, is that the space is being overtaken be anglos
[2021-05-22T21:10:29Z] <carlosdavidepto> hence the "right to live in french"
[2021-05-22T21:10:54Z] <midfavila> sure, and that's kind of a fair point, but legislating isn't gonna do a whole lot to fix that.
[2021-05-22T21:11:14Z] <carlosdavidepto> that it doesn't
[2021-05-22T21:11:19Z] <midfavila> if companies are mostly anglophonic they're gonna want managers who can speak english.
[2021-05-22T21:11:30Z] <midfavila> forcing them to change or withdraw is just gonna force them out of quebec.
[2021-05-22T21:11:43Z] <midfavila> or they'll resort to tokenism
[2021-05-22T21:11:47Z] <june> "right to live in french" sounds like some war on christmas shit
[2021-05-22T21:12:34Z] <carlosdavidepto> the whole thing is rather silly
[2021-05-22T21:13:17Z] <carlosdavidepto> peak quebec is being fined because your moving box said Toronto instead of "Ville de Toronto" and was outside, so that counts as signage
[2021-05-22T21:13:32Z] * midfavila snickers
[2021-05-22T21:13:47Z] <june> afaict the big thing here is lowering the french language requirements on companies of a certain size from 50 employees to 25
[2021-05-22T21:14:10Z] <june> because most tech startups in particular never reach 50 employees
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[2021-05-22T21:16:51Z] <carlosdavidepto> looks like they're going after american extensions
[2021-05-22T21:18:19Z] <carlosdavidepto> it's somewhat popular now with american companies to open offices in montreal
[2021-05-22T21:18:48Z] <carlosdavidepto> globalism and geoarbitrage ftw
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[2021-05-22T21:36:29Z] <carlosdavidepto> > Il ne peut être exigé de la personne devant être nommée à la fonction de juge qu’elle ait la connaissance ou un niveau de connaissance spécifique d’une langue autre que la langue officielle sauf si le ministre de la Justice et le ministre de la Langue française estiment que, d’une part, l’exercice de cette fonction nécessite une telle connaissance et que, d’autre part, tous les moyens raisonnables ont été pris pour évi
[2021-05-22T21:36:30Z] <carlosdavidepto> ter d’imposer une telle exigence.
[2021-05-22T21:37:04Z] <carlosdavidepto> this one is also funny
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[2021-05-22T22:11:45Z] <noocsharp> i switched to running catgirl on my vps so i could just stay logged in forever, but looks like libera.chat doesn't like that idea
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[2021-05-22T22:18:08Z] <dilyn> libera doesn't seem to want anybody logged in period rn xD
[2021-05-22T22:19:35Z] <noocsharp> so it would seem
[2021-05-22T22:20:26Z] <acheam> yeah it kicks my bouncer as well
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[2021-05-22T22:20:41Z] <acheam> thanks for the xorg help earlier, I got it sorted
[2021-05-22T22:21:20Z] <noocsharp> what was the issue out of curiosity?
[2021-05-22T22:21:33Z] <midfavila> get blasted acheam
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[2021-05-22T22:28:14Z] <zr> these spambots
[2021-05-22T22:28:25Z] <zr> when will the script kiddies get tired of this
[2021-05-22T22:29:04Z] zr banned *!*@194.53.179.143
[2021-05-22T22:29:51Z] <acheam> noocsharp: so the font path issue was a nonissue as testuser suspected
[2021-05-22T22:29:56Z] <acheam> that path is hard coded into xorg
[2021-05-22T22:30:05Z] <acheam> but it doesn't care if it doesn't exist
[2021-05-22T22:30:15Z] <acheam> reinstalling xorg-server fixes it
[2021-05-22T22:30:30Z] <acheam> I think something got messed up with the perms
[2021-05-22T22:31:43Z] <acheam> an interesting new issue is that firefox doesn't want to launch and I don't have the slightest clue where to start debugging. It non-fatally warnes me that libpci is missing, but I can't find the KISS package that would provide that
[2021-05-22T22:31:57Z] <acheam> I *can* however run firefox -p, or firefox --safe-mode, and it pops up a gtk dialog
[2021-05-22T22:32:14Z] <acheam> it just doesn't open up the actual browser window
[2021-05-22T22:32:20Z] <acheam> i've tried both -esr and standard
[2021-05-22T22:33:21Z] <dilyn> it's from pciutils
[2021-05-22T22:33:28Z] <acheam> firefox --headless gives tons of warnings about "failed mapping default framebuffer"
[2021-05-22T22:33:46Z] <acheam> dilyn: thanks
[2021-05-22T22:33:47Z] <dilyn> it doesn't report anything else when launching normally?
[2021-05-22T22:33:50Z] <acheam> nope
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[2021-05-22T22:34:01Z] <acheam> and now that i've installed pciutils it doenst report anything at all
[2021-05-22T22:34:36Z] <dilyn> is it all just a standard build of firefox? you didn't do anything fun to it/dependencies?
[2021-05-22T22:34:41Z] <acheam> nope
[2021-05-22T22:34:43Z] <acheam> fresh kiss install
[2021-05-22T22:34:46Z] <acheam> 'kiss b firefox'
[2021-05-22T22:34:47Z] <acheam> thats it
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[2021-05-22T22:35:00Z] <acheam> hicolor icons are installed as well
[2021-05-22T22:35:02Z] <dilyn> are you using mesa or xf86-video-*?
[2021-05-22T22:35:11Z] <dilyn> assuming other gtk apps launch fine?
[2021-05-22T22:35:44Z] <acheam> well its able to launch the gtk dialog for the profile slector
[2021-05-22T22:35:50Z] <dilyn> could try repo-bin/firefox to see if it's your firefox build or a dep
[2021-05-22T22:35:55Z] <acheam> and i'm xf86-video-nouveau
[2021-05-22T22:36:01Z] <acheam> will try bin
[2021-05-22T22:36:10Z] <dilyn> could also strace firefox perchance to see if you can spot something
[2021-05-22T22:37:15Z] <acheam> same issue with bin package
[2021-05-22T22:37:25Z] <acheam> although it does say "exiting due to channel error" when I ^C it
[2021-05-22T22:37:37Z] <acheam> trying strace now
[2021-05-22T22:38:11Z] <acheam> uhhh i have 0 clue how to read this
[2021-05-22T22:38:29Z] <acheam> I just tried "strace firefox" and its filling the screen with poll and recvmsg
[2021-05-22T22:38:51Z] <dilyn> yeah it's fun to read :v
[2021-05-22T22:38:58Z] <acheam> anything I should be looking for?
[2021-05-22T22:39:05Z] <dilyn> /shrug :X
[2021-05-22T22:39:13Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-05-22T22:39:15Z] <dilyn> sometimes it's obvious, sometimes it's not
[2021-05-22T22:39:31Z] <acheam> hmm it says "resource temporarily unavailable" in strace
[2021-05-22T22:39:40Z] <acheam> in the lines starting with recvmsg
[2021-05-22T22:39:44Z] <acheam> that sounds promising
[2021-05-22T22:42:29Z] <acheam> argh someone else with the same issue on the arch forums, no reply
[2021-05-22T22:54:56Z] <acheam> guess i'll use chromium /shrug
[2021-05-22T23:06:47Z] <claudia> acheam, have you run ff before? tried removing .mozzila?
[2021-05-22T23:07:34Z] <midfavila> .mozilla irks me so much
[2021-05-22T23:07:50Z] <midfavila> i don't even use firefox, but UXP browsers still force it to repopulate
[2021-05-22T23:07:54Z] <acheam> claudia: never successfully, this is a fresh install
[2021-05-22T23:08:07Z] <acheam> i've tried deleting .mozilla, and it does regenerate it just fine
[2021-05-22T23:08:24Z] <acheam> I've played around in the profile wizard as well, as that does load fine
[2021-05-22T23:08:36Z] <midfavila> "profile wizard"?
[2021-05-22T23:08:42Z] <acheam> firefox -p
[2021-05-22T23:08:49Z] <midfavila> aah.
[2021-05-22T23:09:57Z] <acheam> but when I hit "start firefox" from it... nothing
[2021-05-22T23:10:30Z] <midfavila> unrelated but man, functions in C are kind of weird compared to Scheme...
[2021-05-22T23:11:38Z] <june> lol not sure I've seen that comparison before
[2021-05-22T23:11:52Z] <midfavila> well, with Scheme, you just kinda...
[2021-05-22T23:11:56Z] <midfavila> define the function
[2021-05-22T23:12:07Z] <midfavila> (define (square x) (* x x)) for example
[2021-05-22T23:12:40Z] <june> int square(int x) { return x * x; }
[2021-05-22T23:12:54Z] <midfavila> but the same function in C requires you declare the function and its parameters and their types, and then you have to actually *define* the function later
[2021-05-22T23:12:58Z] <midfavila> and it's just... bleh
[2021-05-22T23:13:04Z] <midfavila> at least, going off the example in K&R
[2021-05-22T23:13:33Z] <june> if it's pre-ANSI K&R then it's completely out of date
[2021-05-22T23:13:41Z] <midfavila> no, it's second edition
[2021-05-22T23:13:44Z] <midfavila> so ANSI
[2021-05-22T23:14:11Z] <midfavila> i've been slowly working through it for the past while
[2021-05-22T23:14:24Z] <june> but like, you don't need to have separate declaration and definition, that's just because of the ordering requirement
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[2021-05-22T23:14:56Z] <june> you can't use a function before declaring it
[2021-05-22T23:15:09Z] <midfavila> ...aaaaaaah, that makes sense why it's shown that way, then
[2021-05-22T23:15:19Z] <june> so you only need a separate declaration if you want to use it earlier than you define it
[2021-05-22T23:15:31Z] <midfavila> they declare the function for raising an integer to another before main(), but the power function is defined *after* main()
[2021-05-22T23:15:38Z] <midfavila> which threw me for a bit of a loop.
[2021-05-22T23:15:48Z] <june> yeah that's a style I'm not a fan of
[2021-05-22T23:16:33Z] <midfavila> i need to learn a lot more before I can really develop opinions about stuff, but I figure I'll stick with K&R formatting and slowly tweak it over time into something I'm more comfortable with
[2021-05-22T23:16:46Z] <june> main should be the last function in the file, and everything it needs should be before it, imo
[2021-05-22T23:16:48Z] <midfavila> ...except for whether a function's opening brace belongs on a newline
[2021-05-22T23:16:52Z] <midfavila> that's non-negotiable.
[2021-05-22T23:19:25Z] <june> 1TB
[2021-05-22T23:19:38Z] <acheam> midfavila: do you have a common lisp compiler packaged?
[2021-05-22T23:19:50Z] <midfavila> Three spaces! no tabs allowed
[2021-05-22T23:19:53Z] <midfavila> and I might, acheam
[2021-05-22T23:20:01Z] <midfavila> i think I have embedded common lisp packaged...
[2021-05-22T23:20:08Z] <acheam> im looking at building nyxt, and it requires SBCL, which appears to need another common lisp compiler to compile it?
[2021-05-22T23:20:14Z] <midfavila> aaaah, yes
[2021-05-22T23:20:18Z] <midfavila> steel bank common lisp
[2021-05-22T23:20:30Z] <midfavila> it's one of the most common lisp environments
[2021-05-22T23:20:46Z] <midfavila> you can *try* using another CLISP system
[2021-05-22T23:20:48Z] <midfavila> but it might not work
[2021-05-22T23:21:00Z] <midfavila> ...actually, who maintains kiss-lang?
[2021-05-22T23:21:04Z] <acheam> mmatongo
[2021-05-22T23:21:26Z] <acheam> they don't have it though
[2021-05-22T23:21:26Z] <midfavila> mmatongo think SBCL could be packaged? that would be super based
[2021-05-22T23:21:35Z] <acheam> they dont
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[2021-05-22T23:22:06Z] <midfavila> which is why I asked. = w=
[2021-05-22T23:22:06Z] <midfavila> I don't use CLISP enough to package more interpreters/compilers
[2021-05-22T23:22:17Z] <midfavila> but I figure it'd fit in a dedicated language repo
[2021-05-22T23:23:42Z] <acheam> omg
[2021-05-22T23:23:49Z] <acheam> sourceforge has the worlds slowest git hosting
[2021-05-22T23:23:53Z] <acheam> 37kbps on this clone
[2021-05-22T23:23:57Z] <midfavila> sf is ass
[2021-05-22T23:24:33Z] <acheam> tell that to SBCL
[2021-05-22T23:24:51Z] <midfavila> give me the maintainer's email address
[2021-05-22T23:24:57Z] * midfavila cracks knuckles
[2021-05-22T23:25:09Z] <acheam> well if only I could git log
[2021-05-22T23:25:13Z] <acheam> i could tell you
[2021-05-22T23:25:19Z] <acheam> but i'm only 10% doen cloning
[2021-05-22T23:25:28Z] * acheam ^C's and switches to a shallow clone
[2021-05-22T23:25:50Z] <midfavila> i kind of wish there was a LISP-based UNIX
[2021-05-22T23:25:55Z] <midfavila> that would be cool.
[2021-05-22T23:25:59Z] <june> that's called emacs
[2021-05-22T23:25:59Z] <acheam> lunix
[2021-05-22T23:26:04Z] <midfavila> emacs isn't a unix
[2021-05-22T23:26:06Z] <midfavila> emacs is a hot mess
[2021-05-22T23:26:10Z] <midfavila> emphasis on "mess"
[2021-05-22T23:26:16Z] <acheam> emphasis on the hot
[2021-05-22T23:26:23Z] <midfavila> >.>
[2021-05-22T23:26:29Z] <acheam> its a sexy hot unix machine
[2021-05-22T23:26:31Z] <midfavila> how scandalous
[2021-05-22T23:26:54Z] <acheam> how was the ham?
[2021-05-22T23:27:00Z] <midfavila> the ham was pretty good
[2021-05-22T23:27:01Z] <june> I'm not sure how lisp design meshes with unix design though
[2021-05-22T23:27:11Z] <midfavila> friends thought it was pretty good.
[2021-05-22T23:27:18Z] <acheam> june: it doesn't lol
[2021-05-22T23:27:27Z] <midfavila> explain.
[2021-05-22T23:27:42Z] <acheam> but do you have the kind of friends who would say "this ham sucks, mid" to your face?
[2021-05-22T23:27:49Z] <midfavila> yes.
[2021-05-22T23:27:57Z] <midfavila> my friends regularly say things worse than that to me :v
[2021-05-22T23:29:52Z] <acheam> get better friends ?
[2021-05-22T23:30:03Z] <midfavila> you seem to misunderstand
[2021-05-22T23:30:13Z] <midfavila> "friends" doesn't mean "doesn't have a spine"
[2021-05-22T23:30:33Z] <acheam> it doesnt?
[2021-05-22T23:30:51Z] <midfavila> i know, wild
[2021-05-22T23:31:01Z] <midfavila> but it's true
[2021-05-22T23:38:45Z] <acheam> okay i genuinely can't figure out a way to get SBCL on a musl system
[2021-05-22T23:38:55Z] <acheam> because it needs a working common lisp build host
[2021-05-22T23:38:55Z] <midfavila> is it self-hosting?
[2021-05-22T23:38:59Z] <midfavila> ooooh
[2021-05-22T23:39:01Z] <midfavila> use ECL
[2021-05-22T23:39:09Z] <acheam> hmm its not listed as supported
[2021-05-22T23:39:11Z] <acheam> but i'll give it a shot
[2021-05-22T23:39:33Z] <acheam> i don't have any more time for this today though
[2021-05-22T23:41:31Z] <acheam> nyxt browser does look really cool
[2021-05-22T23:41:33Z] <june> ECL is listed on http://www.sbcl.org/getting.html
[2021-05-22T23:41:44Z] <acheam> oh nice
[2021-05-22T23:41:51Z] <acheam> it isnt listed in the repo's INSTALL file
[2021-05-22T23:42:01Z] <midfavila> isn't nyxt literally just "we're chrome but LISP guys!"
[2021-05-22T23:42:10Z] <acheam> it uses webengine or webkit
[2021-05-22T23:42:16Z] <midfavila> disgusting
[2021-05-22T23:42:33Z] <acheam> it actually looks really good, beyond mid's meming
[2021-05-22T23:42:43Z] <midfavila> i've looked at it before in passing
[2021-05-22T23:42:53Z] <midfavila> webkit and GTK3 are dealbreakers
[2021-05-22T23:43:15Z] <midfavila> if they're just using lisp as an extension language they should have gone with Scheme
[2021-05-22T23:43:53Z] <acheam> its pretty much entirely written in lsip
[2021-05-22T23:43:58Z] <acheam> afaict
[2021-05-22T23:44:07Z] <midfavila> ,,,okay, fair enough, then
[2021-05-22T23:44:25Z] <midfavila> i kind of wish there were more programs available for linux written in lisp
[2021-05-22T23:44:59Z] <june> but there's every emacs program...