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2021-04-19T00:06:54 #kisslinux <acheam> oh noocsharp I was about to email you
2021-04-19T00:07:05 #kisslinux <noocsharp> de que
2021-04-19T00:07:05 #kisslinux <acheam> the tlsrp link on your site is broken
2021-04-19T00:07:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> fuck
2021-04-19T00:07:16 #kisslinux <acheam> it takes you to no_imap.html
2021-04-19T00:07:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >adorable
2021-04-19T00:07:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >goat
2021-04-19T00:08:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You have strange tastes friend
2021-04-19T00:08:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ah, that would be because i copy and pasted the line about
2021-04-19T00:08:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck you goats are fantastic
2021-04-19T00:08:19 #kisslinux <noocsharp> s/about/above/
2021-04-19T00:08:19 #kisslinux <movzbl> <noocsharp> ah, that would be because i copy and pasted the line above
2021-04-19T00:08:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I figured :)
2021-04-19T00:08:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> goats are horrible!
2021-04-19T00:08:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> anyway
2021-04-19T00:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't be such a species-ist
2021-04-19T00:08:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I love goats!
2021-04-19T00:09:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I keep saying #kisslinux should be ontopic only and then I do this
2021-04-19T00:09:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> jeez
2021-04-19T00:09:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> #kisslinux-offtopic is a dead meme
2021-04-19T00:09:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> That's more for spicy political rants
2021-04-19T00:09:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> than just offtopic stuff
2021-04-19T00:09:50 #kisslinux <noocsharp> fixed, thanks acheam
2021-04-19T00:09:56 #kisslinux <acheam> awesome noocsharp
2021-04-19T00:10:11 #kisslinux <acheam> tlsrp looks super cool
2021-04-19T00:10:27 #kisslinux <acheam> I might look into using it as I try and debloat my server setup
2021-04-19T00:10:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i really need to work on it
2021-04-19T00:11:07 #kisslinux <acheam> my only problem is that I need multiple domains
2021-04-19T00:11:18 #kisslinux <acheam> and it doesn't seem it will work for that
2021-04-19T00:11:21 #kisslinux <noocsharp> thats one of the things i wanted to add
2021-04-19T00:11:29 #kisslinux <noocsharp> it really wouldn't be that hard
2021-04-19T00:11:57 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah
2021-04-19T00:12:54 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i need to start using it on my own server, so that i experience pain whenever it doesn't work :V
2021-04-19T00:12:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=c-2Tjm2M2cg
2021-04-19T00:12:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> by the way
2021-04-19T00:13:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know this isn't #megamind
2021-04-19T00:13:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> but this is a really good video
2021-04-19T00:13:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you should all watch it
2021-04-19T00:17:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> /
2021-04-19T00:17:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oops
2021-04-19T00:18:10 #kisslinux <acheam> err: command not found: /noops
2021-04-19T00:18:16 #kisslinux <acheam> hi mmatongo
2021-04-19T00:18:24 #kisslinux <acheam> the webchat, really?
2021-04-19T00:18:32 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi acheam
2021-04-19T00:18:36 #kisslinux <acheam> (I'm just kidding)
2021-04-19T00:18:40 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Hehe, I'm still on windows
2021-04-19T00:18:47 #kisslinux <acheam> your on WHAT NOW
2021-04-19T00:18:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> banned
2021-04-19T00:18:52 #kisslinux <acheam> begone
2021-04-19T00:18:57 #kisslinux <mmatongo> But I figured something out  not too long ago
2021-04-19T00:19:04 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Wait
2021-04-19T00:19:13 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Before you cast me out comrades
2021-04-19T00:19:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> too late
2021-04-19T00:19:26 #kisslinux <acheam> oh he's trying to win us over with "comrades"
2021-04-19T00:19:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> into the gulag-oven-trench-sweatshops with you
2021-04-19T00:19:37 #kisslinux <acheam> i shalt never be a comrade with a filthy windows user
2021-04-19T00:19:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> no perogi or cheeseburgers
2021-04-19T00:21:25 #kisslinux <mmatongo> behold
2021-04-19T00:21:28 #kisslinux <mmatongo> My salvation
2021-04-19T00:21:30 #kisslinux <mmatongo> https://i.imgur.com/s4wCJBy.png
2021-04-19T00:21:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> >imgur
2021-04-19T00:21:50 #kisslinux <acheam> okay that's impressive
2021-04-19T00:21:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2021-04-19T00:21:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> >wsl
2021-04-19T00:21:57 #kisslinux <acheam> but still, you have tainted a masterpiec
2021-04-19T00:22:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> you get the turbo gulags
2021-04-19T00:22:02 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't wsl2 just qemu though?
2021-04-19T00:22:13 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: you never get mad at me for posting imgur links
2021-04-19T00:22:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I ever see you post an imgur link I'll bleat at you angrily
2021-04-19T00:22:32 #kisslinux <noocsharp> jeez, kernel 4.4?
2021-04-19T00:22:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> until you learn your lesson
2021-04-19T00:22:59 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I have no idea, what wsl2 really is but I managed to cook up this in a fit of desperation
2021-04-19T00:23:10 #kisslinux <mmatongo> midfavila hehe
2021-04-19T00:23:27 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: https://freenode.logbot.info/?q=imgur&ch=kisslinux&n=acheam
2021-04-19T00:23:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> pretty cool
2021-04-19T00:23:39 #kisslinux <acheam> actually
2021-04-19T00:23:40 #kisslinux <acheam> https://freenode.logbot.info/?q=+&ch=kisslinux&w=a&n=acheam
2021-04-19T00:23:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> you disgust me acheam
2021-04-19T00:23:49 #kisslinux <acheam> wait
2021-04-19T00:23:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> you get the turbo-ultra gulag
2021-04-19T00:24:07 #kisslinux <acheam> i've been *meaning* to patch flameshot to work with 0x0
2021-04-19T00:24:09 #kisslinux <acheam> but until then
2021-04-19T00:24:11 #kisslinux <acheam> imgur it is
2021-04-19T00:24:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> >fucking flameshot
2021-04-19T00:24:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> use scrot
2021-04-19T00:24:51 #kisslinux <mmatongo> everything seems to work just fine though my system thinks that I have void installed cause I used that
2021-04-19T00:24:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am conflicted about this development, mmatongo
2021-04-19T00:24:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> >use scrot
2021-04-19T00:24:54 #kisslinux <noocsharp> use ffmpeg
2021-04-19T00:25:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> can ffmpeg screenshot based on window focus
2021-04-19T00:25:17 #kisslinux <mmatongo> dilyn I was a desperate man
2021-04-19T00:25:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> no forgiveness
2021-04-19T00:26:12 #kisslinux <noocsharp> you can probably write a script that does it mid
2021-04-19T00:26:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but i am a simple man with simple needs
2021-04-19T00:26:54 #kisslinux <mmatongo> On the other hand though, KISS on WSL could be a great way to get people to try it out.
2021-04-19T00:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh, no
2021-04-19T00:27:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think it will be
2021-04-19T00:27:24 #kisslinux <acheam> people needing to use WSL to try out KISS is *not* the target audience
2021-04-19T00:27:29 #kisslinux <acheam> just imagine the questions they'll have
2021-04-19T00:27:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-04-19T00:27:35 #kisslinux <mmatongo> All you need is to turn on the feature and boom you're set
2021-04-19T00:27:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "How do I install apt"
2021-04-19T00:27:41 #kisslinux <acheam> why does "apt" say command not found
2021-04-19T00:27:45 #kisslinux <mmatongo> The point is not that hehe
2021-04-19T00:27:47 #kisslinux <acheam> damn it same joke
2021-04-19T00:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> "why can't I run Steam"
2021-04-19T00:28:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> "where's Chrome"
2021-04-19T00:28:10 #kisslinux <mmatongo> It's a take a look around sort of thing, like a chroot
2021-04-19T00:29:06 #kisslinux <acheam> flameshot can do a whole lot more than just plain screenshots
2021-04-19T00:29:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is why it's lame
2021-04-19T00:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> change my mind
2021-04-19T00:30:18 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/cAdW6OI.png
2021-04-19T00:30:21 #kisslinux <acheam> its beutiful
2021-04-19T00:30:22 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Off to bed now fellas, it's 2:30am in beautiful Africa
2021-04-19T00:30:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I actually use it all the time
2021-04-19T00:30:27 #kisslinux <acheam> gnight mmatongo
2021-04-19T00:31:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've used flameshot before
2021-04-19T00:31:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like
2021-04-19T00:31:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> basic screenshotting and screenrecording mixed with a really crappy image editor
2021-04-19T00:32:02 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i wonder if real human beings actually annotate screenshots like that
2021-04-19T00:32:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> they do
2021-04-19T00:32:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I do all the time
2021-04-19T00:32:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> my college instructor is proof
2021-04-19T00:32:15 #kisslinux <acheam> its good for school
2021-04-19T00:32:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it makes me s e e e e e e e e t h e
2021-04-19T00:32:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't understand how someone involved in tech for over a decade can be so frustratingly normie
2021-04-19T00:32:37 #kisslinux <acheam> I also annotate code and send it to people like that
2021-04-19T00:34:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> degenerate
2021-04-19T00:37:23 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i guess it makes sense for small things, but i wouldn't submit patches as annotated screenshots
2021-04-19T00:38:19 #kisslinux <acheam> lol ofc
2021-04-19T00:38:58 #kisslinux <acheam> https://vid.puffyan.us/d-H3s2H0ju0
2021-04-19T00:42:50 #kisslinux <noocsharp> is this the new cool invidious instance?
2021-04-19T00:43:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> as determined by me, yes
2021-04-19T00:45:15 #kisslinux <acheam> it werks
2021-04-19T02:10:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> rip tilde.town
2021-04-19T02:19:26 #kisslinux <acheam> what happened?
2021-04-19T02:19:39 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: their http site seems to up fine
2021-04-19T02:19:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-04-19T02:20:09 #kisslinux <acheam> so is their gemini capsule, although there isn't really anything there
2021-04-19T02:20:18 #kisslinux <acheam> tbf, a tilde community running ubuntu deserves to die
2021-04-19T02:20:26 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: what OS does SDF run? Debian?
2021-04-19T02:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> NetBSD
2021-04-19T02:20:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're one of the development hubs for it too, iirc
2021-04-19T02:20:43 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-19T02:26:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://twitter.com/learnvim/status/1382121925510578177 :o
2021-04-19T02:26:22 #kisslinux <acheam> s/twitter.com/nitter.fdn.fr/g
2021-04-19T02:26:22 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> nice
2021-04-19T02:31:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://twitter.com/wesley974/status/1309169045833424896/photo/1
2021-04-19T02:31:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> :O  :O  :O
2021-04-19T02:31:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-19T02:34:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-04-19T02:38:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh god
2021-04-19T02:38:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> a libressl update
2021-04-19T02:38:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-04-19T02:41:06 #kisslinux <jslick> that seems like a really obscure feature.  Also, seems useful
2021-04-19T02:42:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> people install whole plugins for this I feel like
2021-04-19T02:43:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> pls post relevant snippet of plaintext
2021-04-19T02:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh non-free jeverscript
2021-04-19T02:44:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> zf folds in vim
2021-04-19T02:44:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-04-19T02:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i thought this was about libressl
2021-04-19T02:44:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing important then
2021-04-19T02:44:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ;p
2021-04-19T02:44:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> meanwhile, openbsd devs are caving to beta distros "added '--enable-libtls-only' build option, which builds and installs a statically-linked libtls, skipping libcrypto and libssl. This is useful for systems that ship with OpenSSL but wish to also package libtls."
2021-04-19T02:45:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i thought theo was based as fuck though
2021-04-19T02:45:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm gonna have to downgrade him from thad to chad
2021-04-19T02:45:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What's the point of keeping both libressl and openssl
2021-04-19T02:46:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> In the same system
2021-04-19T02:46:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> openssl is Enterprise-grade
2021-04-19T02:46:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and Scalable
2021-04-19T02:46:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> and $BUZZWORD
2021-04-19T02:46:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> there isn't, but now they don't have use june's libretls XD
2021-04-19T02:46:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> they fixed the user-after-free bug in tls 1.3 tho
2021-04-19T02:54:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> ... or did they...
2021-04-19T03:14:18 #kisslinux <jslick> ohhh 3950X is back in stock at microcenter.  Must... resist.. urge... to buy hardware I don't need..
2021-04-19T03:15:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> do it coward
2021-04-19T03:15:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> join me
2021-04-19T03:15:25 #kisslinux <jslick> lol you're not helping
2021-04-19T03:15:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> ;)
2021-04-19T03:20:29 #kisslinux <jslick> well 5950X is still out-of-stock... I have zen1 ryzen 7 already; I can hold off :(
2021-04-19T03:31:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> that reminds me, i should update my bios
2021-04-19T04:28:01 #kisslinux <m3g> hopefully done with rejoining spam by me
2021-04-19T09:19:49 #kisslinux <IRC12345> ??
2021-04-19T09:19:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wat
2021-04-19T11:11:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: their server was overloaded because someone left their botany process open
2021-04-19T11:11:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> botany has this bug that makes it use a lot of resources if it's kept open for a long time, and this botany process was running for weeks
2021-04-19T11:41:13 #kisslinux <aarng> testuser_[m], I was wondering if you could remove lua and lpeg from vis' dependencies
2021-04-19T11:41:20 #kisslinux <aarng> as those are optional
2021-04-19T11:55:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> aarng: i feel they should be kept cuz lpeg is used for syntax highlighting and lua for the configuration file which are quite important imo
2021-04-19T11:55:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> They're just build time deps anyways
2021-04-19T11:58:11 #kisslinux <aarng> I thought lpeg was a runtime dep
2021-04-19T11:58:31 #kisslinux <aarng> I don't want syntax highlighting :I
2021-04-19T11:58:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its built static
2021-04-19T11:59:10 #kisslinux <aarng> oh, ok
2021-04-19T12:01:04 #kisslinux <aarng> I guess I will make my own build then
2021-04-19T12:01:08 #kisslinux <aarng> to remove lpeg
2021-04-19T12:01:30 #kisslinux <aarng> thought I'd give vis another try
2021-04-19T12:02:03 #kisslinux <aarng> after fully learning sam last couple days, structural regex is growing on me
2021-04-19T12:09:16 #kisslinux <spryc> ive tried using mg the last few days
2021-04-19T12:09:27 #kisslinux <spryc> but it doesn't have full UTF-8 support
2021-04-19T12:09:33 #kisslinux <spryc> characters like öäå dont work
2021-04-19T12:17:01 #kisslinux <spryc> i might just go back to acme
2021-04-19T12:22:11 #kisslinux <merakor> spryc: I used to use mg as my main editor, and I never noticed that until now
2021-04-19T12:22:31 #kisslinux <merakor> Though I rarely use my native language these days
2021-04-19T12:28:06 #kisslinux <aarng> I was always intrigued by acme but sam has taught me that I hate the whole mouse interface and manual window managing
2021-04-19T12:28:43 #kisslinux <aarng> so fuck acme, although I guess window management is a little more dynamic
2021-04-19T12:29:33 #kisslinux <merakor> I kind of dislike vis myself, and my reason is really stupid
2021-04-19T12:29:48 #kisslinux <aarng> what is it?
2021-04-19T12:29:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what is it
2021-04-19T12:29:55 #kisslinux <merakor> It's because of the weird cursor placement between mode-switching
2021-04-19T12:30:17 #kisslinux <aarng> hahah yeah
2021-04-19T12:30:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Going back to normal mode does not put the cursor backwards
2021-04-19T12:30:21 #kisslinux <aarng> I definitely noticed that too
2021-04-19T12:30:29 #kisslinux <merakor> And I hate it, my brain is instantly crushed
2021-04-19T12:30:48 #kisslinux <merakor> It's otherwise a great editor
2021-04-19T12:31:11 #kisslinux <merakor> And I simply cannot get joy out of it because of the cursor
2021-04-19T12:32:05 #kisslinux <aarng> let's see if I can this time around
2021-04-19T12:32:32 #kisslinux <aarng> but I also disliked that it was hard to figure out how to do stuff, like customizing status bar (I don't want a bar) etc.
2021-04-19T12:33:23 #kisslinux <merakor> I usually want the status bar myself to check line length
2021-04-19T12:33:52 #kisslinux <aarng> ye, I like having "ruler" on in nvi
2021-04-19T12:33:57 #kisslinux <aarng> that's like all the information I need
2021-04-19T12:35:58 #kisslinux <aarng> if Ctrl-G shows cursor position, that works for me too
2021-04-19T12:36:52 #kisslinux <merakor> TIL
2021-04-19T12:37:38 #kisslinux <merakor> Did you try neatvi?
2021-04-19T12:37:53 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: ah lol
2021-04-19T12:38:09 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I maintain it in community
2021-04-19T12:38:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh, okay lol
2021-04-19T12:38:27 #kisslinux <aarng> it's... neat
2021-04-19T12:38:32 #kisslinux <aarng> but a couple things annoy me
2021-04-19T12:39:28 #kisslinux <merakor> I'm guessing "cw", and having to redraw after window size change?
2021-04-19T12:39:30 #kisslinux <aarng> lack of filename completion and you can't filter lines through external commands
2021-04-19T12:39:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Ah okay
2021-04-19T12:39:51 #kisslinux <aarng> the ones you mention don't bother me that much actually
2021-04-19T12:40:07 #kisslinux <merakor> Me neither, but I was surprised the first time I used it
2021-04-19T12:40:13 #kisslinux <aarng> I can't remember, I think you can filter through external commands
2021-04-19T12:40:18 #kisslinux <aarng> but you can't use pipes
2021-04-19T12:40:27 #kisslinux <aarng> because pipe is the character for separate ex commands
2021-04-19T12:40:37 #kisslinux <aarng> s/for/to/
2021-04-19T12:40:37 #kisslinux <movzbl> <aarng> because pipe is the character to separate ex commands
2021-04-19T12:41:15 #kisslinux <aarng> cw going to the next line is original vi behaviour afaik
2021-04-19T12:41:44 #kisslinux <aarng> no big deal, just have to get rid of muscle memory and use ce instead
2021-04-19T12:41:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Well, I use emacs as my main and neatvi for basic editing at the moment so I didn't even notice those ones :P
2021-04-19T12:41:54 #kisslinux <merakor> aarng: Yeah, cw does actually make sense
2021-04-19T12:42:55 #kisslinux <aarng> I never *really* tried emacs
2021-04-19T12:43:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Since all other w motions work that way I'm okay with cw doing the same
2021-04-19T12:43:09 #kisslinux <aarng> yep
2021-04-19T12:43:25 #kisslinux <merakor> I'm typing this from Emacs
2021-04-19T12:43:28 #kisslinux <merakor> 114Mb editor moment
2021-04-19T12:43:43 #kisslinux <aarng> lol
2021-04-19T12:44:11 #kisslinux <aarng> I like the idea of an irc client in your text editor tbh
2021-04-19T12:44:24 #kisslinux <aarng> I wouldn't want all the other stuff though :p
2021-04-19T12:45:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Well, I do like the cohesive environment, that's what made me use Emacs in the first place.
2021-04-19T12:46:11 #kisslinux <merakor> Using the same interface for pretty much everything is nice
2021-04-19T12:46:31 #kisslinux <aarng> it sounds intriguing, ngl
2021-04-19T12:46:58 #kisslinux <merakor> I used to try so hard making every tool work like vim, but it's easier making everything work like vim inside emacs
2021-04-19T12:46:59 #kisslinux <aarng> but it also sounds like it promotes bike shedding to the max
2021-04-19T12:47:32 #kisslinux <merakor> It kind of does
2021-04-19T12:48:17 #kisslinux <aarng> so you can basically use evil mode everywhere?
2021-04-19T12:50:06 #kisslinux <merakor> evil-mode supports all popular packages
2021-04-19T12:50:30 #kisslinux <merakor> But it's also really easy to set up keybindings for non-supported ones
2021-04-19T12:50:47 #kisslinux <aarng> that's nice
2021-04-19T12:52:49 #kisslinux <acheam> i've never had to setup custom evil-like keybindings
2021-04-19T12:52:58 #kisslinux <acheam> evil-collection always has me covered
2021-04-19T12:53:31 #kisslinux <acheam> actually I lied, I set these three, and then I have never set anby others
2021-04-19T12:53:48 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/UElk55A.png
2021-04-19T12:54:37 #kisslinux <merakor2> Yep, I used to set that too
2021-04-19T12:55:12 #kisslinux <acheam> what made you stop?
2021-04-19T12:56:14 #kisslinux <merakor2> I was wasting too much time on my configuration rather than doing actual work and I switched to doom
2021-04-19T12:56:21 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-19T12:56:26 #kisslinux <merakor2> Doom has it default iirc
2021-04-19T12:58:36 #kisslinux <merakor> I was doing all that "org-mode tangle configuration" stuff with a bajillion macros
2021-04-19T12:59:33 #kisslinux <merakor> Spending too much time on minimizing Emacs start time
2021-04-19T12:59:45 #kisslinux * acheam feels attacked
2021-04-19T12:59:55 #kisslinux <acheam> all his dotfiles are tangled from orgmode
2021-04-19T12:59:58 #kisslinux <acheam> *all* of them
2021-04-19T12:59:58 #kisslinux <merakor> It was like already .1 seconds
2021-04-19T13:00:11 #kisslinux <acheam> But I don't worry about start time
2021-04-19T13:00:13 #kisslinux <acheam> I just use the daemon
2021-04-19T13:00:25 #kisslinux <merakor> I USED THE DAEMON AS WELL
2021-04-19T13:00:40 #kisslinux <acheam> wait so you used the daemon
2021-04-19T13:00:46 #kisslinux <acheam> but still wanted to decrease start time?
2021-04-19T13:00:46 #kisslinux <merakor> And cared about start time
2021-04-19T13:00:49 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah
2021-04-19T13:00:53 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah i'm starting to feel some pity for you
2021-04-19T13:00:58 #kisslinux <merakor> Here is the thing
2021-04-19T13:01:03 #kisslinux <merakor> My hdd is really slow
2021-04-19T13:01:25 #kisslinux <merakor> And when I start my computer Emacs takes 20+ seconds to start
2021-04-19T13:01:36 #kisslinux <merakor> And that is the same for almost all my programs
2021-04-19T13:01:43 #kisslinux <acheam> so that's basically adding 20s to your OS start time
2021-04-19T13:01:53 #kisslinux <acheam> because you can't start using your userland until emacs is loaded
2021-04-19T13:02:09 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah
2021-04-19T13:02:22 #kisslinux <merakor> Like X server takes 10 seconds to start
2021-04-19T13:02:30 #kisslinux <merakor> I'm not even including dwm and stuff
2021-04-19T13:02:40 #kisslinux <merakor> My hdd is real fucking slow
2021-04-19T13:02:42 #kisslinux * acheam offers merakor a few gigs on his NVME drive
2021-04-19T13:02:55 #kisslinux <merakor> I wish
2021-04-19T13:03:19 #kisslinux <acheam> hey we have our struggles too!
2021-04-19T13:03:24 #kisslinux <acheam> I have to write out /dev/nvme0n1
2021-04-19T13:03:35 #kisslinux <acheam> do you know how much longer that takes than /dev/sda!
2021-04-19T13:03:36 #kisslinux <merakor> My *old* laptop SSHD was much faster than this crap
2021-04-19T13:03:45 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: that's true
2021-04-19T13:04:31 #kisslinux <merakor> Just mv /dev/nvme0n1 /dev/sda duh
2021-04-19T13:05:31 #kisslinux <acheam> damn why didn't I think of that!
2021-04-19T13:05:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi acheam
2021-04-19T13:05:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Imagine using a computer that doesn't even boot with `make defconfig`
2021-04-19T13:05:59 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-04-19T13:06:10 #kisslinux <merakor> Hi merakor
2021-04-19T13:06:27 #kisslinux <m3g> you could accidentally build it for 64 when it's 32-bit like dat
2021-04-19T13:06:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Huh
2021-04-19T13:06:41 #kisslinux <m3g> Speaking of 32bit, is the port still active
2021-04-19T13:07:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No the pure 32 bit port is ded
2021-04-19T13:07:31 #kisslinux <m3g> ree
2021-04-19T13:07:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You can revive it if you want
2021-04-19T13:07:40 #kisslinux <m3g> might try actually
2021-04-19T13:07:51 #kisslinux <m3g> Even though I know jack about doing so
2021-04-19T13:08:20 #kisslinux <m3g> accidentally typed kiss instead of k1ss for the url and I got met with a silly registrar
2021-04-19T13:08:53 #kisslinux <m3g> "porkbun"
2021-04-19T13:09:14 #kisslinux <merakor> Doesn't `make defconfig` create the default one for your host arch?
2021-04-19T13:09:42 #kisslinux <acheam> ah wait you can buy k1ss.org again!
2021-04-19T13:10:21 #kisslinux <m3g> is it available?
2021-04-19T13:10:23 #kisslinux <merakor> Kind of expensive though
2021-04-19T13:10:25 #kisslinux <acheam> its only $688!
2021-04-19T13:10:26 #kisslinux <merakor> 670$
2021-04-19T13:10:31 #kisslinux <merakor> I found it cheaper
2021-04-19T13:10:32 #kisslinux <m3g> what the f
2021-04-19T13:10:44 #kisslinux <acheam> but hey, look at the renewal price
2021-04-19T13:10:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Non https k1ss.org points to spam
2021-04-19T13:10:52 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah 12 dollars
2021-04-19T13:10:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ah ha
2021-04-19T13:10:59 #kisslinux <acheam> mine is cheaper
2021-04-19T13:11:02 #kisslinux <acheam> $10.99
2021-04-19T13:11:07 #kisslinux <acheam> look at those savings!
2021-04-19T13:11:14 #kisslinux <merakor> What a deal!
2021-04-19T13:11:17 #kisslinux <acheam> that baby oughtta pay itself off in just a few months
2021-04-19T13:11:35 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn should get on this
2021-04-19T13:13:33 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah dilyn why don't you sell off that crappy new computer of yours and buy us this domain
2021-04-19T13:24:14 #kisslinux <merakor2> As a wise man once said "Avoid the next new shiny thing until or unless certain that it brings real improvements over what it is intended to replace"
2021-04-19T13:24:54 #kisslinux <merakor2> That's why you should sell that computer dilyn
2021-04-19T13:29:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> mfw I can't even access k1ss.org because of UA filtering
2021-04-19T13:33:59 #kisslinux <acheam> they don't want palememers?
2021-04-19T13:34:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> they don't want nuegiabrowsers
2021-04-19T13:34:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> which, you know, I'm fine with that
2021-04-19T13:34:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I don't want them either
2021-04-19T13:38:59 #kisslinux <acheam> why wouldn't you spoof your ua man
2021-04-19T13:39:13 #kisslinux <acheam> you're instantly fingerprinted with that UA
2021-04-19T13:39:20 #kisslinux <acheam> you are the single most unique browser user ever
2021-04-19T13:39:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> see,
2021-04-19T13:39:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> the weird thing is that I am spoofing it. I don't actually know if it's the UA
2021-04-19T13:39:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I can't think of anything else
2021-04-19T13:39:57 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-19T13:40:04 #kisslinux <acheam> might be worth a visit to coveryourtracks.eff.org
2021-04-19T13:40:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes yes, I already know
2021-04-19T13:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> under normal circumstances I disable JS, fuck with <canvas>, block everything that isn't an auth cookie, prevent the loading of third-party resources, randomize my UA on every page load, etc etc etc
2021-04-19T13:47:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> midfavila:  how often is  palememe updated
2021-04-19T13:48:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're using the stable releases, usually like once or twice a month
2021-04-19T13:48:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know, how insecure, it doesn't have an update every hour on the hour
2021-04-19T13:49:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah somebody dedicated themselves to getting k1ss.org :v
2021-04-19T13:49:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think they just want to fuck with us tbh...
2021-04-19T13:49:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao they block you if you have an adblocker too
2021-04-19T13:50:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> UA has been fixerinoed
2021-04-19T13:50:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're really messing with us
2021-04-19T13:50:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a #conspiracy
2021-04-19T13:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> why do these shitty scam domains always start with ww7 or ww3
2021-04-19T13:51:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, well, have a subdomain of that. whatever.
2021-04-19T13:52:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> it 'makes sense' for like, if ww1.domain.tld also exists
2021-04-19T13:52:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it never does, it's always ww7...
2021-04-19T13:52:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> man
2021-04-19T13:52:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> the more I encounter this kind of shit
2021-04-19T13:53:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> the more convinced I am that I should just switch to using I2P exclusively
2021-04-19T13:53:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> the clearnet is gross
2021-04-19T13:54:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly tho
2021-04-19T13:54:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> rm -rf https://
2021-04-19T13:54:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, yes
2021-04-19T13:55:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i agree
2021-04-19T13:55:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> today we have reached an historic accord
2021-04-19T13:55:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> the world wide web was a mistake
2021-04-19T13:55:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder how burners-lee sleeps at night knowing he allowed WideVine to become a thing
2021-04-19T13:55:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> "Open, decentralized standard" my fucking ass.
2021-04-19T13:56:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I should probably put my stuff on i2p
2021-04-19T13:59:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> eyetoopee
2021-04-19T13:59:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> www is dead
2021-04-19T13:59:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> long live the gopherspace
2021-04-19T13:59:53 #kisslinux <acheam> gopher is dead too
2021-04-19T14:00:00 #kisslinux <acheam> long live outer space
2021-04-19T14:00:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> long live *checks notes*... uhh... gemini?
2021-04-19T14:01:00 #kisslinux <acheam> thats what I was going for
2021-04-19T14:01:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> gemini is more of a gopher and less of a www
2021-04-19T14:01:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like it more if it was less of a gopher and more of a www
2021-04-19T14:01:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I can respect it for what it is
2021-04-19T14:01:35 #kisslinux <acheam> you send like everyone on the ML
2021-04-19T14:01:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like for there to be a "heavy" and a "light" spec
2021-04-19T14:01:46 #kisslinux <acheam> nah
2021-04-19T14:02:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not saying add scripting support or anything like that.
2021-04-19T14:02:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but, you know
2021-04-19T14:02:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> inline media would be nice
2021-04-19T14:02:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> why fracture it like that tho
2021-04-19T14:02:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> just have the one spec
2021-04-19T14:02:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> you implement the small "core" spec
2021-04-19T14:02:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> that everyone ensures their site is accessible via
2021-04-19T14:02:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then you have the "heavy" spec, which is optional and purely for fluff
2021-04-19T14:02:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk man
2021-04-19T14:02:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> you want gemini to be the wayland of the internet
2021-04-19T14:03:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just like inline images
2021-04-19T14:03:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> leave me alone
2021-04-19T14:03:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> even netscape did that
2021-04-19T14:04:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> wouldn't gopher clients be able to do that rendering?
2021-04-19T14:04:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> if they can then halleluja
2021-04-19T14:08:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> gemini: "As with HTTP hypertext, URIs are encoded as hyperlinks in gem-text documents" -- i guess the issue would be how does the client know a resource should be pre-click loaded or not... unless it conveniently ends in a ".jpg" or something
2021-04-19T14:10:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> use felbfard or whatever that suckless image format is
2021-04-19T14:11:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the gopher spec provides for content type of links, so i would guess that wouldn't be too hard to get into a client in some shape or form
2021-04-19T14:13:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oops never mind re: gemini, it is explicitly stated clients cannot do this: "clients MUST NOT automatically make any network connections as part of displaying links whose scheme corresponds to a network protocol (e.g. links beginning with gemini://, gopher://, https://, ftp:// , etc.)"
2021-04-19T14:14:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> so you could do it, but ddevault would instantly blacklist your client :v
2021-04-19T14:15:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> whoa HEY
2021-04-19T14:15:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> we don't USE that WORD HERE
2021-04-19T14:15:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:CCCCCCCCC
2021-04-19T14:15:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...ddevault?
2021-04-19T14:15:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I think he meant blaclist
2021-04-19T14:15:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's literally $YEAR
2021-04-19T14:15:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> funny
2021-04-19T14:15:59 #kisslinux <acheam> as an ironic take on "SJWs"
2021-04-19T14:16:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, my incredibly deep and multilayered humor
2021-04-19T14:16:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr though who cares if devault blacklists your cilent
2021-04-19T14:16:38 #kisslinux <acheam> because he hosts a lot of stuff on gemini
2021-04-19T14:16:41 #kisslinux <acheam> via srht.site
2021-04-19T14:16:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> &
2021-04-19T14:16:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> sounds like that needs to change
2021-04-19T14:16:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> muh decentralized platform
2021-04-19T14:17:19 #kisslinux <acheam> you know what, dilyn, you use GH pages, you don't get a say
2021-04-19T14:17:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-19T14:17:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I could stop at ANY time!
2021-04-19T14:17:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> says the addict, downing another gallon of alcohol
2021-04-19T14:18:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> host it on SDF
2021-04-19T14:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> gew it
2021-04-19T14:18:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> dew*
2021-04-19T14:18:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> i need to come up with a good domain that isn't dilyn.co, because dilyn.corner⊙dc is just too much dilyn
2021-04-19T14:18:24 #kisslinux <acheam> me⊙dc?
2021-04-19T14:18:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn.dilyn⊙dd
2021-04-19T14:18:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's a lot of opportunities to fsck up my name
2021-04-19T14:18:30 #kisslinux <acheam> that's what I do with mine
2021-04-19T14:18:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wish corner were a tld
2021-04-19T14:18:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> dilyn.corner⊙dc
2021-04-19T14:18:47 #kisslinux <acheam> although a friend did suggest to me to do bhojwania⊙an
2021-04-19T14:18:49 #kisslinux <acheam> to be super meta
2021-04-19T14:18:53 #kisslinux <m3g> d.y⊙l
2021-04-19T14:18:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-04-19T14:20:42 #kisslinux <m3g> d.l@n
2021-04-19T14:21:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> d
2021-04-19T14:21:15 #kisslinux <acheam> dude
2021-04-19T14:21:19 #kisslinux <acheam> you can get dyl.inc
2021-04-19T14:21:27 #kisslinux <acheam> be meta
2021-04-19T14:21:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing
2021-04-19T14:21:31 #kisslinux <acheam> spell it wrong
2021-04-19T14:21:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> legally change your name so it's spelled right
2021-04-19T14:21:59 #kisslinux <acheam> or be boring and do dily.nc
2021-04-19T14:22:05 #kisslinux <m3g>  
2021-04-19T14:22:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> or just host it on sdf
2021-04-19T14:22:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> and get that name recognition
2021-04-19T14:22:21 #kisslinux <acheam> or just host it yourself
2021-04-19T14:22:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something dox
2021-04-19T14:22:32 #kisslinux <acheam> I really want to get a fun domain
2021-04-19T14:22:38 #kisslinux <acheam> like acheam.space or something
2021-04-19T14:22:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wanted gote.net
2021-04-19T14:22:54 #kisslinux <m3g> goat.se
2021-04-19T14:22:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's owned by godaddy
2021-04-19T14:23:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again SDF does DNS registrations for like 12$ US or something
2021-04-19T14:23:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> so like
2021-04-19T14:23:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-19T14:23:23 #kisslinux <acheam> ache.am is unfortunately taken
2021-04-19T14:23:34 #kisslinux <acheam> by some armenian dude
2021-04-19T14:23:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder if .la is a TLD
2021-04-19T14:23:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably for latvia if it is
2021-04-19T14:23:56 #kisslinux <acheam> but the website says (c) 2013, so this guy has probably just had it on autorenew for a decade
2021-04-19T14:24:06 #kisslinux <acheam> yes it is, midfavila
2021-04-19T14:24:09 #kisslinux <acheam> for laos
2021-04-19T14:24:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> >laos
2021-04-19T14:24:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> that sounds like something out of an RPG
2021-04-19T14:24:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> change my mind
2021-04-19T14:24:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you could get an emoji domain
2021-04-19T14:24:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-04-19T14:24:43 #kisslinux <acheam> its $39/yr lol
2021-04-19T14:24:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> GOD
2021-04-19T14:24:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> PLEASE
2021-04-19T14:24:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-04-19T14:24:48 #kisslinux <m3g> you can't?
2021-04-19T14:24:57 #kisslinux <m3g> can you even do non-ascii registration?
2021-04-19T14:25:01 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-19T14:25:12 #kisslinux <m3g> kill it with fire
2021-04-19T14:25:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji_domain
2021-04-19T14:25:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2021-04-19T14:25:30 #kisslinux <acheam> after 2003 I think you can do any unicode character
2021-04-19T14:25:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there was a write-up of a guy who tested out making a mail server with emoji domains, let me see if i can find it
2021-04-19T14:25:56 #kisslinux <acheam> you can use emoji in email adresses
2021-04-19T14:25:57 #kisslinux <m3g> yeah, I figured they translate it to another code
2021-04-19T14:26:27 #kisslinux <m3g> "The ASCII representation starts with the prefix "xn--" and is followed by the emoji-containing domain name encoded as Punycode, for example "xn--i-7iq" is "i❤" when converted back to Unicode."
2021-04-19T14:27:11 #kisslinux <m3g> I hope the web stays emoji-free
2021-04-19T14:27:14 #kisslinux <m3g> 💣
2021-04-19T14:27:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji_domain
2021-04-19T14:28:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> whoops didn't copy the link
2021-04-19T14:28:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://mailoji.com/
2021-04-19T14:28:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> mailoji is great because the dude advertised it on tiktok acting like he just discovered this cool new thing and wasn't the dude who did it xD
2021-04-19T14:28:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> and he got absolutely flooded with registrations
2021-04-19T14:28:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the guy who made it has some other neat little projects
2021-04-19T14:29:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> last I heard you can't *send email* tho
2021-04-19T14:29:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah he's pretty interesting
2021-04-19T14:29:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> no attachments either it looks like
2021-04-19T14:30:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's all very silly
2021-04-19T14:30:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> i wish i could spend $1,000 on emoji domains in two days 'for the luls'
2021-04-19T14:31:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sounds perfect for passive patch submissions -- anyone that attaches something instead of putting inline patch diffs automatically get rejected lol
2021-04-19T14:31:23 #kisslinux <Rio6> reminded me of an april 1st rfc about utf-128 with lots of emoji
2021-04-19T14:31:29 #kisslinux * dilyn takes notes
2021-04-19T14:31:38 #kisslinux * m3g burns notes
2021-04-19T14:31:47 #kisslinux <acheam> why *more* emoji
2021-04-19T14:31:50 #kisslinux <acheam> don't we have enough already?
2021-04-19T14:31:53 #kisslinux <acheam> stop diluting unicode
2021-04-19T14:32:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> more codepoints dammit
2021-04-19T14:32:11 #kisslinux <m3g> I can't demonstrate constipation with an emoji, there's not enough emoji
2021-04-19T14:32:40 #kisslinux <acheam> yes you can
2021-04-19T14:32:44 #kisslinux <Rio6> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8369
2021-04-19T14:32:55 #kisslinux <acheam> do the red cross then the poop emoji then the strained face emoji
2021-04-19T14:33:05 #kisslinux <m3g> that's 3 emojis
2021-04-19T14:33:06 #kisslinux <acheam> s/red cross/circle with cross through it/g
2021-04-19T14:33:07 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> do the circle with cross through it then the poop emoji then the strained face emoji
2021-04-19T14:33:25 #kisslinux <acheam> damn someone actually put effort into the RFC joke lol
2021-04-19T14:33:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the RFC jokes are high-effort shitposts at all times
2021-04-19T14:35:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "This would require Network Address Translation (NAT) from the private code point or short-name tag to a public Unicode code point.  This can be done locally, thus finally bringing NATs into the last part of the Internet in which they are not currently deployed: the user's application."
2021-04-19T14:35:04 #kisslinux <m3g> ❌둥😰
2021-04-19T14:35:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> see, you shouldn't even say things like this because you're putting it out there into the world meaning someone will take it seriously and try to force it on everyone else
2021-04-19T14:35:53 #kisslinux <m3g> global ipv6 when
2021-04-19T14:35:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> infohazards
2021-04-19T14:36:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> must
2021-04-19T14:36:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> be
2021-04-19T14:36:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> contained
2021-04-19T14:37:22 #kisslinux <m3g> ipv4 nat only for infrastructure that can't ipv6
2021-04-19T14:37:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think we all know that ISPs are still going to use something to "simulate" NAT for IPv6 users at home
2021-04-19T14:38:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> because if they didn't then they wouldn't be able to charge you hundreds of dollars a month for a static address
2021-04-19T14:38:24 #kisslinux <m3g> I have a 'vpn' kind of sub-ipv4
2021-04-19T14:38:27 #kisslinux <m3g> ree
2021-04-19T14:39:25 #kisslinux <m3g> mesh networks now!
2021-04-19T14:39:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what
2021-04-19T14:39:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> local B.A.T.M.A.N networks would be based
2021-04-19T14:40:00 #kisslinux <Rio6> I hope in the future people can rent satellites and run foss isp up there
2021-04-19T14:42:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> i can't wait for space to have faster internet than me
2021-04-19T14:42:58 #kisslinux <Guest8116> they plan to put 4g on the moon. with that space already has better internet than most of germany
2021-04-19T14:44:46 #kisslinux <acheam> oh hi zeno
2021-04-19T14:45:20 #kisslinux <zenomat> hello there, didnt notice my login not working
2021-04-19T14:58:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi zenomat
2021-04-19T15:01:14 #kisslinux <zenomat> hey
2021-04-19T15:02:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hi mmatongo
2021-04-19T15:03:06 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Hi acheam
2021-04-19T15:12:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: http://ix.io/2WD6 heads up for ff
2021-04-19T15:13:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-04-19T15:13:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's probably a way testuser_; thanks for the heads up :v
2021-04-19T15:14:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> god I love maintaining firefox
2021-04-19T15:16:34 #kisslinux <mmatongo> dilyn are you less conflicted today ?
2021-04-19T15:27:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS by any means necessary haha
2021-04-19T15:27:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> how did you do it? was it tricky?
2021-04-19T15:30:22 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Not really that hard, I found out someone had been doing it with Void musl for a while so I templated them
2021-04-19T15:30:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> void has too often paves our way to greatness...
2021-04-19T15:31:07 #kisslinux <mmatongo> truly
2021-04-19T15:31:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What did you do
2021-04-19T15:31:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Electron ?
2021-04-19T15:31:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Java ?
2021-04-19T15:31:45 #kisslinux <mmatongo> It works really great right now
2021-04-19T15:32:06 #kisslinux <mmatongo> No, its WSL2
2021-04-19T15:32:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Huh
2021-04-19T15:32:29 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Just pure kiss running in WSL2
2021-04-19T15:32:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Oh
2021-04-19T15:34:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-19T15:35:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.sainnhe.dev/post/void-wsl2/ this one?
2021-04-19T15:35:12 #kisslinux <mmatongo> However I suspect that I will encounter some problems soon unless the binary being used across it all is cross compiled on void
2021-04-19T15:36:56 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Not that one ominous_anonymou
2021-04-19T15:37:15 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I came across that one but it seemed a bit much
2021-04-19T15:37:26 #kisslinux <mmatongo> https://github.com/am11/VoidMuslWSL
2021-04-19T15:37:34 #kisslinux <mmatongo> That's the one I found
2021-04-19T15:39:04 #kisslinux <mmatongo> The end result being https://github.com/mmatongo/KISSWSL
2021-04-19T15:40:34 #kisslinux <mmatongo> To get it to work just run make for it to build a rootfs then post that you just need WSL to recognise it and you can run it with ease
2021-04-19T16:35:40 #kisslinux <acheam> purple?
2021-04-19T16:35:55 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Context
2021-04-19T16:36:29 #kisslinux <acheam> it's midfavila's real name on IRC
2021-04-19T16:36:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> thou dareth to ping me
2021-04-19T16:36:57 #kisslinux <acheam> YES
2021-04-19T16:37:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you no honor, swine?
2021-04-19T16:37:21 #kisslinux <acheam> YES
2021-04-19T16:37:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> disrupting a scholar in the midst of his studies. an affront to #kisslinux is your behavior!
2021-04-19T16:37:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> harumph, I say to thee.
2021-04-19T16:37:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> but no, purple is the default "real name" set by libpurple clients.
2021-04-19T16:37:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm too lazy to change that.
2021-04-19T16:38:19 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-19T16:52:37 #kisslinux * omanom (null)
2021-04-19T16:52:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wat
2021-04-19T16:53:05 #kisslinux * midfavila (null)
2021-04-19T16:53:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> check your pointers before passing them to vsnprintf, omanom
2021-04-19T16:53:28 #kisslinux <omanom> thanks @mmatongo, kirc on WSL up in here
2021-04-19T16:53:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ah
2021-04-19T16:58:54 #kisslinux <acheam> how much code can I steal from an AGPLv3 project before needing to license my project as AGPLv3
2021-04-19T16:59:49 #kisslinux <acheam> (my project is MIT)
2021-04-19T17:02:07 #kisslinux * jslick (null)
2021-04-19T17:02:20 #kisslinux * acheam object Object
2021-04-19T17:12:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dilyn I think you have a typo in your blog post https://dilyn-corner.github.io/blog/KISS-static#3.3
2021-04-19T17:13:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> INCLUDEDIR=`dirname $(${KISS_TARGET}-gcc -print-libgcc-file-name)`/include --> INCLUDEDIR should either be GCC_INCLUDEDIR or the following GCC_INCLUDEDIR should be changed to INCLUDEDIR
2021-04-19T17:16:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: if it's just a couple lines it shouldn't matter; but ofc IANAL
2021-04-19T17:20:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> you would be correct :o
2021-04-19T17:21:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> the answer is, of course, to use AGPL. Why do you hate freedom so much, acheam?
2021-04-19T17:21:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-04-19T17:21:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> Aren't you worried about big evil corporations stealing your code and not giving back?
2021-04-19T17:22:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> oogie boogie I've taken my desires and beliefs and foisted them upon you. If you disagree with me, you clearly just hate open source
2021-04-19T17:22:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> >AGPL
2021-04-19T17:22:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> >open source
2021-04-19T17:22:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> glowie detected
2021-04-19T17:26:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/107883/agpl-what-you-can-do-and-what-you-cant first answer is pretty close to accurate
2021-04-19T17:42:18 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Anyone know how to setup GitHub actions?
2021-04-19T17:43:02 #kisslinux <riteo> hi!
2021-04-19T17:43:12 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Where do I make the secret and how do I call it in the env
2021-04-19T17:44:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> you make the secret in the oauth section for your repository
2021-04-19T17:44:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> i believe you just name the var GITHUB_TOKEN
2021-04-19T17:49:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mmatongo: that sounds like something you'd look up in GitHub's docs.. not ask here
2021-04-19T18:00:33 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Would that be under secrets dilyn
2021-04-19T18:01:35 #kisslinux <mmatongo> What goes in the value section
2021-04-19T18:02:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.theserverside.com/blog/Coffee-Talk-Java-News-Stories-and-Opinions/GitHub-Actions-Secrets-Example-Token-Tutorial
2021-04-19T18:02:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk i've never used them
2021-04-19T18:03:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/Azure/actions-workflow-samples/blob/master/assets/create-secrets-for-GitHub-workflows.md
2021-04-19T18:05:41 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Thanks
2021-04-19T19:34:03 #kisslinux <riteo> well, I'll go for now, bye!
2021-04-19T20:41:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-A37.mp4
2021-04-19T20:45:14 #kisslinux <m3g> finally, I can see my cursor
2021-04-19T22:41:33 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: thanks... I think I probably will need to AGPL it, idk, we'll see how far my codebase diverges
2021-04-19T22:42:27 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: its about 125 lines right now, so nontrivial. Before I release it will probably be closer to 50 lines or so... I'll probably just AGPL it
2021-04-19T22:42:41 #kisslinux <acheam> damn, i'm really starting to dislike copyleft licenses
2021-04-19T22:43:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> it is a sad day :(
2021-04-19T22:43:44 #kisslinux <acheam> why is that?
2021-04-19T22:43:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> because you are being forced to AGPL your stuff lmao
2021-04-19T22:44:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> Im trying out jj rn and i cant get tmux to build with netbsd curses :S - so my messaging will be wonky
2021-04-19T22:45:53 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol
2021-04-19T22:46:15 #kisslinux <acheam> what's jj?
2021-04-19T22:48:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> its aarngs irc client
2021-04-19T22:48:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> like ii but sucksmore :v
2021-04-19T22:53:01 #kisslinux <aarng> fu :D
2021-04-19T22:53:25 #kisslinux <aarng> what sucks more?
2021-04-19T22:56:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> not literally sucks more
2021-04-19T22:57:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> its actually pretty tight, if my system werent so fucking esoteric it would probably be much easier
2021-04-19T22:58:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance panica uses -L1 in xargs but toybox doesnt support that lmao
2021-04-19T22:58:54 #kisslinux <aarng> ah
2021-04-19T22:58:58 #kisslinux <aarng> I never actually tried panica
2021-04-19T22:59:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I figured why not try it, we are about to find out if it shits the bed here in a second...
2021-04-19T23:00:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> aborted kek who knows
2021-04-19T23:01:05 #kisslinux <aarng> rip
2021-04-19T23:01:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ah thanks dilyn
2021-04-19T23:01:27 #kisslinux <acheam> I've always liked my irc client... to actually be an irc client
2021-04-19T23:01:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> who doesnt like a good fifo
2021-04-19T23:02:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> i just dont know of a good way to use this :X
2021-04-19T23:02:17 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam: you can make your own though
2021-04-19T23:02:52 #kisslinux <aarng> my setup is fairly simple
2021-04-19T23:03:26 #kisslinux <aarng> since I'm not in any big channels, I just tail -f all my channels, pipe that to jjp (inside tmux)
2021-04-19T23:04:12 #kisslinux <aarng> vertical split that so you have something for input at the bottom, run jji (with rlwrap) in that pane
2021-04-19T23:04:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> tmux is just so much work to learn for irc lol
2021-04-19T23:04:20 #kisslinux <acheam> lol yes
2021-04-19T23:04:24 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm very happy with catgirl
2021-04-19T23:04:27 #kisslinux <acheam> stop tempting me!
2021-04-19T23:04:35 #kisslinux <aarng> ok, if you don't know any tmux, that sucks
2021-04-19T23:04:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah in all my fifteen years i never bothered :(
2021-04-19T23:04:59 #kisslinux <acheam> I just switched from tmux to abduco
2021-04-19T23:05:13 #kisslinux <acheam> because it focuses on just preserving sesisons, and doing it well
2021-04-19T23:05:16 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't need multiplexing
2021-04-19T23:05:25 #kisslinux <aarng> fair
2021-04-19T23:05:38 #kisslinux <aarng> I use the multiplexing heavily
2021-04-19T23:05:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I probably should've picked up tmux when I was on my laptop tbh
2021-04-19T23:06:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> but now that I have this ginormous screen, I can't seem to open *enough* terminals to fill it
2021-04-19T23:06:15 #kisslinux <aarng> and I love that I can just restart my xserver and keep my terminal state
2021-04-19T23:06:28 #kisslinux <acheam> damn why is noocsharp never here when I want to talk to him
2021-04-19T23:07:11 #kisslinux <acheam> more people need bouncers, smh
2021-04-19T23:07:36 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: on my mirror of the kiss repos, do you want KISS Linux as the repo owner, or Dilyn Corner
2021-04-19T23:07:46 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn, since you run your irc off your local machine, no need to use tmux for jj really
2021-04-19T23:07:59 #kisslinux <aarng> just do what I described with 2 separate terminals
2021-04-19T23:08:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: I have no preference. whatever fits better for you
2021-04-19T23:08:25 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-04-19T23:08:32 #kisslinux <acheam> I'll just stick to what I have then
2021-04-19T23:08:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> aarng: hmhmhm
2021-04-19T23:08:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it feels so less 1337, y'know
2021-04-19T23:09:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> tried jji, just exits. cute
2021-04-19T23:09:53 #kisslinux <aarng> uhm
2021-04-19T23:10:14 #kisslinux <aarng> did you give it a channel name?
2021-04-19T23:10:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> `jji #kisslinux`
2021-04-19T23:10:38 #kisslinux <aarng> it also needs some environment variables to be set
2021-04-19T23:10:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> aha
2021-04-19T23:10:49 #kisslinux <aarng> so it knows how to find the fifo
2021-04-19T23:10:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> like.. the $IRC-bla
2021-04-19T23:10:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhm
2021-04-19T23:11:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah yes I see it does not set defaults like the rest! huzah
2021-04-19T23:11:39 #kisslinux <aarng> good catch actually, gonna fix
2021-04-19T23:11:46 #kisslinux <acheam> also, i'm willing to host git mirrors for anyone and everyone, lmk if you want me to do so.
2021-04-19T23:14:57 #kisslinux <aarng> hello pls, dilyn[jj]
2021-04-19T23:15:28 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> hello!
2021-04-19T23:15:34 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> hey look at that it worked like a dream
2021-04-19T23:15:44 #kisslinux <acheam> hi!
2021-04-19T23:15:52 #kisslinux <acheam> like a dream!
2021-04-19T23:16:12 #kisslinux <aarng> yay
2021-04-19T23:16:39 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> it's not too shabby aarng
2021-04-19T23:16:55 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> now i can stop using web IRC like a pleb :v
2021-04-19T23:16:57 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> tyty
2021-04-19T23:17:13 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh you didn't have to use jj to not use web IRC
2021-04-19T23:17:19 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> but muh MIT
2021-04-19T23:17:28 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> I really want to use catgirl lmfao
2021-04-19T23:18:02 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-19T23:18:07 #kisslinux <aarng> glad you like it, dilyn[jj]
2021-04-19T23:19:12 #kisslinux <aarng> https://z0.is/~josuah/jj/
2021-04-19T23:19:33 #kisslinux <aarng> how they use jj is pretty interesting
2021-04-19T23:19:35 #kisslinux <acheam> why tf does that website replace my cursor
2021-04-19T23:19:59 #kisslinux <aarng> ikr
2021-04-19T23:20:10 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> okay that is cancer
2021-04-19T23:20:17 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> almost don't want to read it
2021-04-19T23:20:21 #kisslinux <acheam> like
2021-04-19T23:20:27 #kisslinux <acheam> why does that CSS rule even exist
2021-04-19T23:20:44 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> reminds me of those gaudy popups from the early 00s that would give you these absurdly stylized cursors with obnoxious effects
2021-04-19T23:20:48 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> tails, swords, dragons, fire
2021-04-19T23:21:44 #kisslinux <aarng> hahaha
2021-04-19T23:21:53 #kisslinux <aarng> I bet mid likes those
2021-04-19T23:22:15 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> he'd probably love this cursor at least. very his-aesthetic
2021-04-19T23:22:35 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> now i need to make sure that I *safely* pass my password to jj so I don't expose myself to you hooligans...
2021-04-19T23:22:49 #kisslinux <acheam> nooo you can expose yourself to us!
2021-04-19T23:22:59 #kisslinux <aarng> auth password?
2021-04-19T23:23:03 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> phrasing
2021-04-19T23:23:21 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> mmhmm
2021-04-19T23:23:27 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> i just use IRC_PASSWORD
2021-04-19T23:23:28 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> but still
2021-04-19T23:24:47 #kisslinux <aarng> I just auth via a hook
2021-04-19T23:24:52 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> ohmygod
2021-04-19T23:24:59 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> i can run jjd on the linode
2021-04-19T23:25:01 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> genius
2021-04-19T23:25:57 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> maybe i should learn tmux.
2021-04-19T23:26:30 #kisslinux <aarng> https://termbin.com/aq19
2021-04-19T23:30:46 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> yeah i'll have to look into some hooks :)
2021-04-19T23:30:59 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> knowing me though... i'll probably never use them
2021-04-19T23:35:09 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn[jj]: can we perhaps work out this kiss-serv overlap
2021-04-19T23:36:28 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn[jj]: just good for auto joining channels in your case, I guess
2021-04-19T23:36:59 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn[jj]: also, I think your system time is still off
2021-04-19T23:38:39 #kisslinux <aarng> +1
2021-04-19T23:38:51 #kisslinux <aarng> I have seen some future commits recently
2021-04-19T23:42:14 #kisslinux <claudia007> how can you not like this cursor. :(
2021-04-19T23:42:42 #kisslinux <acheam> i dislike its existence more than it itself
2021-04-19T23:42:46 #kisslinux <claudia007> My first thought was. "Uh this is nice. I want to have this"
2021-04-19T23:42:52 #kisslinux <acheam> its a nice cursor
2021-04-19T23:42:58 #kisslinux <acheam> but shitty that it disobeyes my defaults
2021-04-19T23:42:59 #kisslinux <claudia007> I think this is plan9, rio
2021-04-19T23:43:01 #kisslinux <acheam> css should be illegal
2021-04-19T23:43:36 #kisslinux <claudia007> http://9front.org/
2021-04-19T23:43:40 #kisslinux <claudia007> They have it too
2021-04-19T23:43:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> f
2021-04-19T23:43:51 #kisslinux * acheam throws up
2021-04-19T23:43:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> rip
2021-04-19T23:45:35 #kisslinux <claudia007> Y it get that.but this is *the internet* after all
2021-04-19T23:46:08 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn[jj]: one last thing. Error messages etc go into the server log. I would do `tail -f server.log channels/#kisslinux.log`
2021-04-19T23:46:50 #kisslinux <aarng> I wonder if toybox's tail -f uses inotify
2021-04-19T23:49:53 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> I told you, I am a time traveller...
2021-04-19T23:50:01 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> I can rename my repo acheam lmao lemme think of a catchy title
2021-04-19T23:51:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> hi guys
2021-04-19T23:53:21 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> o/
2021-04-19T23:53:32 #kisslinux <dilyn[jj]> aaah. i see. openntpd is not setting my clock, even though it says it is. cute
2021-04-19T23:56:04 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn[jj]: coolio
2021-04-19T23:56:05 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks
2021-04-19T23:56:10 #kisslinux <acheam> hi hellboy2d
2021-04-19T23:57:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> How is the work with outdated packages?