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2021-04-12T00:36:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !ping 2021-04-12T00:36:51 #kisslinux <movzbl> [meta] kiedtl: yes? 2021-04-12T00:45:58 #kisslinux <acheam> yay 2021-04-12T00:46:07 #kisslinux <acheam> that was one looong reboot 2021-04-12T00:46:10 #kisslinux <acheam> :) 2021-04-12T00:46:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-12T00:46:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, tilde.team was moving to a new VM and the disks took a while to restore from backup 2021-04-12T00:46:59 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice 2021-04-12T00:47:08 #kisslinux <acheam> (I said that as a joke thinking it was a simple power cycle) 2021-04-12T01:36:11 #kisslinux <acheam> welcome back 2021-04-12T01:40:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium just froze up :v 2021-04-12T01:40:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> we've entered the debugging stage of this chromium build I guess lol 2021-04-12T01:41:41 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-12T01:42:44 #kisslinux <acheam> woot just sent first actual email to the dev mailing list 2021-04-12T01:43:03 #kisslinux <acheam> (and yes, its a pedantic one) 2021-04-12T01:44:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> what tf is the email addr to send to for subscrib again? 2021-04-12T01:44:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> i am the big dumb 2021-04-12T01:44:31 #kisslinux <acheam> dev+subscribe⊙ko 2021-04-12T01:44:45 #kisslinux <acheam> although there may be more coming for announcements and the community repo 2021-04-12T01:44:55 #kisslinux <acheam> aparently a bigger announcement will come with its fully ready 2021-04-12T01:45:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> ty i just wanna start adding myself to 'em 2021-04-12T01:46:38 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I have added myself to so many mailing lists, and about twenty minutes later I realize I'm not smart enough to be on mailing lists. 2021-04-12T01:47:09 #kisslinux <acheam> don't worry we're all just pretending 2021-04-12T01:49:50 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Oh, Good! I am good at pretending. 2021-04-12T01:53:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> fun fact: i am also dumb 2021-04-12T01:53:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am a reader of MLs, not a user of MLs :v 2021-04-12T01:53:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> just reply-all. it is the way 2021-04-12T01:54:58 #kisslinux <acheam> " - Perl (Used throughout the build process. Tricky)." isn't accurate any more is it? 2021-04-12T02:02:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's describing firefox 2021-04-12T02:02:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ik, but the way its worded it sounds like its used everywhere 2021-04-12T02:02:38 #kisslinux <acheam> im just being pedantic 2021-04-12T02:02:42 #kisslinux <acheam> (its not important) 2021-04-12T02:02:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless you read the sentence preceeding the three -'s, and then it becomes clear 2021-04-12T02:03:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> but that section needs to change anyways because 2/3's of it is false lmao 2021-04-12T02:21:15 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> What's the link to the glib kiss version? The website is gone, and I don't recall the github link... 2021-04-12T02:22:53 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/gkisslinux 2021-04-12T02:22:59 #kisslinux <acheam> its by testuser_[m] 2021-04-12T02:24:14 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Well, I appreciate them, and their name! 2021-04-12T02:24:59 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Did they know that gkiss is apparently the name of a dating app for people who prefer members of the same gender? 2021-04-12T02:25:52 #kisslinux <acheam> yes 2021-04-12T02:26:00 #kisslinux <acheam> it has been brought up multiple times 2021-04-12T02:26:01 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-12T02:27:24 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i think i found the name of ddevault's new systems programming language 2021-04-12T02:27:32 #kisslinux <acheam> oh? 2021-04-12T02:27:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> spill it 2021-04-12T02:27:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> drewlang? zaglang? 2021-04-12T02:27:51 #kisslinux <acheam> tell us all the dirty details 2021-04-12T02:28:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> zig and zag 2021-04-12T02:28:02 #kisslinux <acheam> not-c 2021-04-12T02:28:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> default-lang 2021-04-12T02:28:38 #kisslinux <acheam> ITBTS 2021-04-12T02:28:42 #kisslinux <acheam> "its better than shell" 2021-04-12T02:28:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol 2021-04-12T02:28:56 #kisslinux <acheam> "I can't believe its not shell!" 2021-04-12T02:29:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> noocsharp: you can't leave us hanging like this! 2021-04-12T02:29:27 #kisslinux <acheam> can't you see, we are desperate 2021-04-12T02:29:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> enlighten us senpai 2021-04-12T02:29:37 #kisslinux <noocsharp> wait, im dumb 2021-04-12T02:29:41 #kisslinux <acheam> feed us that sweet satisfaction 2021-04-12T02:29:44 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: :( 2021-04-12T02:29:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its on sr.ht 2021-04-12T02:29:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "wait im dumb"?? 2021-04-12T02:29:58 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its public 2021-04-12T02:30:03 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-12T02:30:04 #kisslinux <acheam> where? 2021-04-12T02:30:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ahhhhhh 2021-04-12T02:30:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/hare 2021-04-12T02:30:29 #kisslinux <acheam> well thats a shit name 2021-04-12T02:30:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> he didn't announce it... 2021-04-12T02:30:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> must be a mistake 2021-04-12T02:30:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> quick, clone it 2021-04-12T02:30:51 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah its unlisted 2021-04-12T02:31:06 #kisslinux <acheam> "Hello, onlooker! Please keep this project a secret." 2021-04-12T02:31:13 #kisslinux <acheam> proceeds to post it in a publically logged channel 2021-04-12T02:31:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> oops 2021-04-12T02:31:21 #kisslinux * kiedtl posts to lobsters 2021-04-12T02:31:24 #kisslinux <acheam> you just got yourself on to ddevaults naughty list 2021-04-12T02:31:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hehe 2021-04-12T02:31:38 #kisslinux <acheam> ohh 2021-04-12T02:31:40 #kisslinux <acheam> harelang.org 2021-04-12T02:32:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aww cute bunny 2021-04-12T02:32:53 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> is this what /g/ was memeing about 2021-04-12T02:32:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wtf thats a rabbit not a hare 2021-04-12T02:32:59 #kisslinux <acheam> go complain 2021-04-12T02:33:01 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> with this o'reilly looking drawing 2021-04-12T02:33:34 #kisslinux <acheam> I like it 2021-04-12T02:34:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >Hare does not, and will not, support any proprietary operating systems. 2021-04-12T02:34:51 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting the spec is CC-BY-ND 2021-04-12T02:35:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so no Windows or macOS? Thanks for crippling your fancy new lang 2021-04-12T02:35:05 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: not a surprise knowing ddevault 2021-04-12T02:35:08 #kisslinux <acheam> and no derivs 2021-04-12T02:35:35 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll stick with C for now, thanks 2021-04-12T02:37:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol file extension is ha 2021-04-12T02:37:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> main.ha 2021-04-12T02:37:04 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> C is love C is life 2021-04-12T02:37:12 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> what about header files 2021-04-12T02:37:19 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> .re? 2021-04-12T02:37:24 #kisslinux <acheam> ha ha ha 2021-04-12T02:37:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol 2021-04-12T02:37:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> haha.ha 2021-04-12T02:37:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Knowing C's limitations, I'd actually be interested in trying this out 2021-04-12T02:37:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Even if the only improvement it had was proper namespacing that'd still be super cool 2021-04-12T02:38:13 #kisslinux <acheam> what's with the hate for // style comments in C 2021-04-12T02:38:28 #kisslinux <acheam> it's c99, no? 2021-04-12T02:39:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> when you get this attracted to minimalism its c89 all thw way down 2021-04-12T02:40:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: nothing wrong with that, people who fuss over // are fucking children 2021-04-12T02:40:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oooh fuck yes, utf8 strings! 2021-04-12T02:40:33 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense, because i'm reading ddevault's C style guide lol 2021-04-12T02:40:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lmao 2021-04-12T02:40:56 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: how is that different than assuming strings are UTF8 in C? 2021-04-12T02:41:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz i dont think thats a standard assumption 2021-04-12T02:41:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Strings are encoded in utf8 by default; and I'm assuming that there will be a whole lot more support for it int eh stdlib 2021-04-12T02:41:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and what necro said 2021-04-12T02:41:41 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm 2021-04-12T02:42:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> >hare fits on a 3 1/2" floppy 2021-04-12T02:42:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok ngl i love that 2021-04-12T02:43:38 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that's pretty sick 2021-04-12T02:44:56 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: how would you feel about distributing KISS media? 2021-04-12T02:45:06 #kisslinux <acheam> like, if you could purchase a floppy drive with KISS on it 2021-04-12T02:45:12 #kisslinux <acheam> or a DVD 2021-04-12T02:45:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> KISS vinyl 2021-04-12T02:46:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> if its small enough 2021-04-12T02:46:20 #kisslinux <acheam> vinyl is expensive 2021-04-12T02:46:24 #kisslinux <acheam> because it needs to be pressed 2021-04-12T02:46:35 #kisslinux <acheam> so usually high minimum order quantities 2021-04-12T02:46:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but it would be cool as shit 2021-04-12T02:46:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> even though im not a vinyl person 2021-04-12T02:47:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> better off going for CS 2021-04-12T02:47:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> tapes are ez and cheap to get done 2021-04-12T02:47:28 #kisslinux <acheam> it would probably fit onto a record 2021-04-12T02:47:50 #kisslinux <acheam> but from here for example its $60/record 2021-04-12T02:47:50 #kisslinux <acheam> https://intheclouds.io/collections/make-your-own-custom-vinyl-records 2021-04-12T02:48:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yeah, fair enough 2021-04-12T02:48:22 #kisslinux <acheam> a casette tape would work 2021-04-12T02:48:35 #kisslinux <acheam> (but I do like the idea of a floppy disk) 2021-04-12T02:48:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> floppy makes more sense for comp tech lmao 2021-04-12T02:48:57 #kisslinux <acheam> and it wouldn't even fit anyways 2021-04-12T02:49:07 #kisslinux <acheam> 54mb tarball on a 1.44 mb floppy 2021-04-12T02:49:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> wait is the suggestion that I distribute KISS CDs like I'm 2004 Canonical? 2021-04-12T02:49:20 #kisslinux <acheam> yes 2021-04-12T02:49:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes 2021-04-12T02:49:25 #kisslinux <acheam> dude its how you got into linux 2021-04-12T02:49:28 #kisslinux <acheam> this is the origin story 2021-04-12T02:49:29 #kisslinux <acheam> pass it on 2021-04-12T02:49:41 #kisslinux <acheam> (it doesn't have to be free) 2021-04-12T02:49:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> i 'member seeing my dad's comp mags with linux shit on CD's 2021-04-12T02:50:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I used to rent magazines from the library for the CDs 2021-04-12T02:50:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> and would ask Canonical for some to handout at school and stuff 2021-04-12T02:50:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao 2021-04-12T02:50:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> but like, why would I do this xD I haven't had a CD drive in ten years 2021-04-12T02:50:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you telling me people still have CD drives 2021-04-12T02:50:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no 2021-04-12T02:50:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> anyone who has a desktop probably does 2021-04-12T02:50:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> but none of my laptops do 2021-04-12T02:50:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> wrong.gif 2021-04-12T02:50:56 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i dont 2021-04-12T02:51:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> well shit 2021-04-12T02:51:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-12T02:51:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> no need for optical drives these days 2021-04-12T02:51:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> ask eudaldgr to do it. they'd only work with kiss-live 2021-04-12T02:51:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I have an optical drive 2021-04-12T02:51:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> why make CD OS when cat USB work 2021-04-12T02:51:43 #kisslinux <acheam> actually 2021-04-12T02:51:46 #kisslinux <acheam> shit I can do this today 2021-04-12T02:52:57 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/4a8cKR1.png 2021-04-12T02:53:07 #kisslinux <acheam> "I'll give your new work a test this week and report back." 2021-04-12T02:53:21 #kisslinux <acheam> 5 months later.... 2021-04-12T02:53:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> frfr 2021-04-12T02:53:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> I still work on it every other weekedn 2021-04-12T02:53:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> move at the speed of mailing CD's back and forth 2021-04-12T02:54:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm trying to figure out why plasmashell crashes constantly for some users and not others 2021-04-12T02:54:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> my goal at the end of last year was to have KISS-kde basically ready to be *the* first introduction to KISS for lame people who don't know things :v 2021-04-12T02:55:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> but if I can't guarantee a working plasmashell across the board, that will never work 2021-04-12T02:55:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> ffs I can't even get plasmashell to work on my latest KDE install 2021-04-12T02:58:29 #kisslinux <jslick> I have optical drives. I still buy music CDs and rip 'em. 2021-04-12T02:59:14 #kisslinux * acheam is dismayed he can't find his CD drive 2021-04-12T03:00:00 #kisslinux <acheam> this (incredibly stupid) project will have to wait 2021-04-12T03:00:50 #kisslinux <acheam> nervermind the fact I have two projects due tomorrow 2021-04-12T03:01:04 #kisslinux <acheam> KISS has not been good to my productivity 2021-04-12T03:02:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> depends on how you define productivity 2021-04-12T03:02:30 #kisslinux <acheam> school, grades 2021-04-12T03:02:52 #kisslinux <acheam> tbf I have learned a ton about Linux, computers, and programming 2021-04-12T03:03:15 #kisslinux <acheam> but that's not productive to my main task on hand right now 2021-04-12T03:03:47 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well then gtf off irc 2021-04-12T03:04:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the madlad 2021-04-12T03:05:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> ahaha top laffs 2021-04-12T03:09:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel 2021-04-12T03:09:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> i used to rip CDs. now I need to work my way through my vinyl stack... 2021-04-12T03:09:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive gotta start spinning my physical media more 2021-04-12T03:09:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i should go back to trying to get audacity to work. or maybe use a KDE app... 2021-04-12T03:10:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol right?? my record player is ten feet away. I should just use it 2021-04-12T03:10:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> frfr 2021-04-12T03:10:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> instead im just *checks notes* listening to podcasts that make me angry 2021-04-12T03:10:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> bad priorities 2021-04-12T03:11:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> for me its far too many twitch vods of gaming, and digging through the many GBs of music ive got on my external 2021-04-12T03:13:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2relateable 2021-04-12T03:24:57 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Hi 2021-04-12T03:29:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallo 2021-04-12T03:36:25 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Has there been an entire 'cli ecosystem' that could compete with gui? 2021-04-12T03:37:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> For what kind of programs 2021-04-12T03:38:18 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> silly question, I am still indoctrinated towards visual appeal, I would guess I should first make concrete what kind of things I'm trying to achieve first 2021-04-12T03:44:38 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> emacs is the only thing I can think of, I still don't understand dired 2021-04-12T03:45:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam what are you doing here, you're supposed to be working on a project 2021-04-12T03:46:50 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> mebe just caching log and not actually checking this 2021-04-12T03:47:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ah 2021-04-12T03:47:41 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> nag if otherwise 2021-04-12T03:48:01 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> 😠 2021-04-12T03:50:03 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> stopu 2021-04-12T03:50:38 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> 💣 2021-04-12T03:51:44 #kisslinux <acheam> :( 2021-04-12T03:52:01 #kisslinux <acheam> needed to check in with another channel 2021-04-12T03:52:06 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> 👀 2021-04-12T03:52:33 #kisslinux <acheam> (I didn't intentionally leave after your last message, was having an issue with my bouncer) 2021-04-12T03:53:22 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i see 2021-04-12T04:08:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> M4R10zM0113R: id argue acme would count but its not gnu/linux viable 2021-04-12T04:10:18 #kisslinux <acheam> ew mouse chording 2021-04-12T04:10:21 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acme isn't really cli 2021-04-12T04:10:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah that's true 2021-04-12T04:10:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> its pushing tui as well 2021-04-12T04:10:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but there are acme ports to linux IIRC 2021-04-12T04:11:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah there are, but none that can compete with the OG because of the underlying system 2021-04-12T04:11:41 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i have wily installed 2021-04-12T04:11:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> how is it? 2021-04-12T04:12:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive considered trying it 2021-04-12T04:12:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well it appears i haven't used it since i ran arch, since it links against glibc ld lmao 2021-04-12T04:12:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao off 2021-04-12T04:12:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/off/oof 2021-04-12T04:13:16 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like something mid would like 2021-04-12T04:14:41 #kisslinux <noocsharp> wdya know, patchelf to the rescue 2021-04-12T04:21:37 #kisslinux <acheam> damn freenode needs to get its stuff togethor 2021-04-12T04:37:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> [#kisslinux] All hail the power of Red Hat~ 2021-04-12T04:37:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What's this 2021-04-12T04:40:43 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Joke, as there's no pa, pam, pk, ck, etc? 2021-04-12T04:46:16 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no, joke, as Red Hat is Ded Hat 2021-04-12T06:20:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh 2021-04-12T06:20:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what happened to freenode 2021-04-12T06:24:21 #kisslinux <zenomat> whats wrong with freenode? 2021-04-12T06:24:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> everyone got dc 2021-04-12T06:24:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so i guessed something is up with their servers 2021-04-12T06:35:13 #kisslinux <zenomat> maybe just a hickup 2021-04-12T08:11:17 #kisslinux <travankor> hi 2021-04-12T08:11:27 #kisslinux <travankor> what's up with freenode lately? 2021-04-12T08:11:50 #kisslinux <travankor> their servers glitching? 2021-04-12T09:45:49 #kisslinux <travankor> https://harelang.org/blog/2021-03-30-future-research-areas/ 2021-04-12T09:45:55 #kisslinux <travankor> >borrow checker 2021-04-12T09:46:15 #kisslinux <travankor> rustaceans btfo 2021-04-12T09:50:26 #kisslinux <travankor> hare seems better than zig, too 2021-04-12T09:50:38 #kisslinux <travankor> zig seems kind of overhyped 2021-04-12T09:58:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Why 2021-04-12T10:09:26 #kisslinux <spryc2> is this a good option for a glib chroot? http://fsquillace.github.io/junest-site/ 2021-04-12T10:17:44 #kisslinux <spryc2> ive thought about if using an arch based chroot is good, if you don't update for a few days wont you have to download lots of packages? maybe something ubuntu is better 2021-04-12T10:18:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah you gotta download gigabytes of updates with arch 2021-04-12T10:19:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think void has less dependency hell 2021-04-12T10:19:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So smaller updates 2021-04-12T10:19:34 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah i've used void for a few years on and off 2021-04-12T10:19:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Do you want to run steam? 2021-04-12T10:19:45 #kisslinux <spryc2> possibly 2021-04-12T10:20:21 #kisslinux <spryc2> void is probably quite good 2021-04-12T10:21:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw couldn't you do a similar thing as junest by using bubblewrap with any existing chroot 2021-04-12T10:21:11 #kisslinux <spryc2> if i run a void chroot i could run basically all applications since it also works with flatpaks well 2021-04-12T10:21:43 #kisslinux <spryc2> i don't know anything about bubblewrap, someone said something about junest on r/kisslinux a while ago when i was lurking 2021-04-12T10:22:01 #kisslinux <spryc2> but its probably quite inconvenient since you need to update a lot 2021-04-12T10:25:26 #kisslinux <travankor> fork junest to work with void? 2021-04-12T10:25:39 #kisslinux <travankor> or i think their was a kiss flatpak repo somewhere 2021-04-12T10:25:48 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah it was a WIP 2021-04-12T10:29:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> mmatongo has updated it 2021-04-12T10:29:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The flatpak repo 2021-04-12T11:48:17 #kisslinux <tink> Would it make sense to use gkiss in a chroot instead of setting up junest? this way, you will have a system that you are familiar with and you can easily change whatever you want; i don't know how hard it is to switch to hummingbird on void for example. 2021-04-12T11:49:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> For most people who want a glibc chroot, multilib is probably a requirement 2021-04-12T11:50:11 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Since in most cases it's for steam 2021-04-12T12:00:06 #kisslinux <tink> were you able to do it, testuser[m]_? "hmm, gonna try building a multilib (G)KISS to try and run steam 2021-04-12T12:00:07 #kisslinux <tink> " 2021-04-12T12:12:04 #kisslinux <travankor> another intersting idea is guix, which already works on gkiss 2021-04-12T12:12:25 #kisslinux <travankor> i'll see if i make it work on vanilla kiss 2021-04-12T12:13:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> travankor: re hare > zig: hare doesn't have any kind of generics (and nothing that could be used to simulate one, either) and doesn't even have a standard linked list, resizable array, or stack implementation in its stdlib. 2021-04-12T12:14:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tink: i tried a little but couldnt figure out the glibc and 32bit gcc stuff 2021-04-12T12:14:38 #kisslinux <spryc> hey, my system wont boot, it just hangs on the MSI bios screen, the efi entry shows up in bios just as expected but wont boot. This is the output of efibootmgr --verbose http�://0x0.st/-T4M.txt and this is blkid http://0x0.st/-T4u.txt i have checked and also tried to remove and recreate the entry but i can't figure out whats wrong 2021-04-12T12:14:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i will give it a shot again 2021-04-12T12:14:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Soon 2021-04-12T12:15:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> travankor: guix is a nix fork right ? It's a pain to get graphical stuff to eork 2021-04-12T12:16:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> spryc: your UEFI entry doesn't specify where vmlinuz is located 2021-04-12T12:18:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> testuser_[m]: it's GNU's Nix ripoff, only it uses Guile Scheme instead of Nix's DSL 2021-04-12T12:18:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance my first two entries here are both of my boot partitions http://ix.io/2VPz 2021-04-12T12:19:22 #kisslinux <travankor> kiedtl: generics are bloat :p 2021-04-12T12:19:41 #kisslinux <travankor> and ddevault philosophy is to DIY for data structures 2021-04-12T12:19:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Tell me that after you have to port your linked list implementation from usize to i8 >=| 2021-04-12T12:20:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> made with efibootmgr -c -d /dev/nvme0n1 -p 1 -L wyverkiss -l 'efiKISSvmlinuz.efi', the unicode options for me are all built into the kernel but i would do --unicode 'root=/dev/nvme0n1p2 rw' 2021-04-12T12:20:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> At least C has a terrible macro system and void* 2021-04-12T12:20:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hare doesn't even have that! 2021-04-12T12:20:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Even myrrdin managed to squeeze in a nice trait system. 2021-04-12T12:20:50 #kisslinux <travankor> tbf the stdlib for hare isn't finished, it might be worth asking about that on #hare 2021-04-12T12:21:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I did. Answer: "fuk generics, we're cool lang haggerz!" 2021-04-12T12:21:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Well, that was a bit exaggerated. You get the point, though: there will be no generics in hare. 2021-04-12T12:21:42 #kisslinux <travankor> for linked lists? 2021-04-12T12:21:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yes 2021-04-12T12:21:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://harelang.org/blog/2021-03-26-high-level-data-structures/ 2021-04-12T12:26:49 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn, vmlinuz should be a valid path 2021-04-12T12:27:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> ? 2021-04-12T12:28:17 #kisslinux <aarng> that's from spryc's screenshot: /File(vmlinuz) 2021-04-12T12:28:30 #kisslinux <aarng> loads vmlinuz from the root dir of the esp 2021-04-12T12:28:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> am i just blind? 2021-04-12T12:29:02 #kisslinux <spryc> i followed the wiki 2021-04-12T12:29:10 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn: probably :p 2021-04-12T12:29:16 #kisslinux <spryc> the path to vmlinuz is /boot/vmlinuz 2021-04-12T12:29:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> OH JEEZ yeah 2021-04-12T12:29:19 #kisslinux <spryc> and it does specify that 2021-04-12T12:29:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> it' sthe first entry s m h 2021-04-12T12:29:53 #kisslinux <aarng> my inital thought, when I heard stuck screen, is missing gpu drivers 2021-04-12T12:30:14 #kisslinux <aarng> I think uefi usually reboots if it can't find the loader 2021-04-12T12:30:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> the next best guess 2021-04-12T12:30:25 #kisslinux <aarng> or at least throws an error 2021-04-12T12:30:42 #kisslinux <spryc> it just shows the MSI logo 2021-04-12T12:30:44 #kisslinux <spryc> and hangs at that 2021-04-12T12:30:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> you should probably be able to disable the spash screen in your UEFI menu 2021-04-12T12:30:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> just to see what's happening, if anything 2021-04-12T12:31:02 #kisslinux <spryc> i am quite sure i built in support for my gpu too 2021-04-12T12:31:09 #kisslinux <spryc> followed the gentoo wiki mostly 2021-04-12T12:31:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> what GPU? 2021-04-12T12:31:16 #kisslinux <spryc> rx 580 2021-04-12T12:31:50 #kisslinux <spryc> brb im going to eat, one sec 2021-04-12T12:33:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> did you specify the firmwares for the card & build amdgpu in? 2021-04-12T12:47:10 #kisslinux <acheam> heya claudia02 2021-04-12T12:47:36 #kisslinux <spryc> dilyn: yes i did 2021-04-12T12:47:57 #kisslinux <spryc> i specified all the polaris10 binaries and also enabled amdgpu under graphics support 2021-04-12T12:50:24 #kisslinux <spryc> this is my .config http://0x0.st/-T43.txt 2021-04-12T12:57:12 #kisslinux <spryc> the firmware i specified is in /usr/lib/firmware 2021-04-12T12:58:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhmhm 2021-04-12T13:03:11 #kisslinux <spryc> ill try disabling the splash screen and see what it says 2021-04-12T13:07:35 #kisslinux <acheam> argh gh doesn't check if commits were applied with git am 2021-04-12T13:07:59 #kisslinux <acheam> so it just closes the pr when you delete the branch, unlike setting it to "merged" if you merge the branch 2021-04-12T13:17:24 #kisslinux <spryc> so i disabled the logo and i get this menu thing and i try pressing f11 but nothing happens... http://0x0.st/-T4U.jpg 2021-04-12T13:17:32 #kisslinux <spryc> same with the other keys it suggests 2021-04-12T13:20:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Has a web frontend for the mailing list been set up yet ? 2021-04-12T13:21:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/frontend/archive 2021-04-12T13:21:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Or whatever 2021-04-12T13:23:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> aloha 2021-04-12T13:23:21 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: not to my knowlege 2021-04-12T13:23:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn is still in his reading phase 2021-04-12T13:27:55 #kisslinux <spryc> maybe i should try just using grub 2021-04-12T13:29:29 #kisslinux <spryc> and see what happens 2021-04-12T13:31:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi claudia 2021-04-12T13:44:47 #kisslinux <acheam> more reason to change DW, https://teddit.net/r/kisslinux/comments/mp8fb8/is_kiss_dead/ 2021-04-12T13:45:36 #kisslinux <spryc> distrowatch.... 2021-04-12T13:45:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> dont *clap* use *clap* distrowatch *clap* for *clap* your *clap* information clap clap clap* 2021-04-12T13:46:21 #kisslinux <konimex> so... any response from the distrowatch guy about your inquiry? 2021-04-12T13:47:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> he doesn't seem interested and I don't think he wants to make an exception 2021-04-12T13:47:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe that reddit post will convince him that his very important website(tm) is very important for us(tm) 2021-04-12T13:47:44 #kisslinux <spryc> have you read his review? 2021-04-12T13:47:48 #kisslinux <konimex> Void Linux happened though 2021-04-12T13:48:01 #kisslinux <konimex> and probably Solus too 2021-04-12T13:48:52 #kisslinux <acheam> let's start our own distrowatch 2021-04-12T13:49:10 #kisslinux <konimex> distrowatch's ranking there is full of bots anyway 2021-04-12T13:49:22 #kisslinux <spryc> #1 is mx linux 2021-04-12T13:49:25 #kisslinux <spryc> what even is that? 2021-04-12T13:49:31 #kisslinux <konimex> yep, it's botted 2021-04-12T13:49:35 #kisslinux <acheam> *cough cough*mX linux*Cough cough* 2021-04-12T13:49:36 #kisslinux <konimex> manjaro too 2021-04-12T13:49:45 #kisslinux <acheam> but even they say its not a good ranking 2021-04-12T13:50:18 #kisslinux <konimex> do people even read what they're saying tbf 2021-04-12T13:50:27 #kisslinux <spryc> the reviews are terrible 2021-04-12T13:50:30 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah 2021-04-12T13:50:36 #kisslinux <acheam> most distro reviews are 2021-04-12T13:50:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I care about the package manager and underlying systems 2021-04-12T13:50:46 #kisslinux <spryc> rates distros on whether the xfce default theme was "bland" 2021-04-12T13:50:52 #kisslinux <acheam> all the reviewers care about is the DE 2021-04-12T13:50:53 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah lol 2021-04-12T13:51:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I do ocassionally take part in their polls 2021-04-12T13:51:17 #kisslinux <konimex> if the targets are layman linux user they probably won't care about the underlying system 2021-04-12T13:51:26 #kisslinux <acheam> then don't review kiss? 2021-04-12T13:52:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> but the clicks acheam 2021-04-12T13:52:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> think of the clicks 2021-04-12T13:52:22 #kisslinux <konimex> well not like Dylan wants him to review kiss 2021-04-12T13:53:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> DW is just not a *good* source of information generally - it's bound to become outdated (probably quickly for small projects), and the 'rankings' are based... solely on what distros are getting the most clicks ON the site 2021-04-12T13:54:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem is it's one of the only ways to achieve any level of visibility, because nobody who doesn't know about KISS or KISS-likes is going to find themselves saying "oh let's checkout musl-libc.org to see if they updated their 'projects using musl' section" 2021-04-12T13:54:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> everyone should just check repology dammit :P 2021-04-12T14:21:38 #kisslinux <jslick> yep, but also seeing "discontinued" is going to turn away new people. No information is better than false information 2021-04-12T14:44:39 #kisslinux <spryc> grub didn't work either, got thrown into grub shell 2021-04-12T14:44:50 #kisslinux <spryc> lets see what it says if i try to boot 2021-04-12T14:46:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> o/ 2021-04-12T14:47:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> what is a Linux reserved partition used for? 2021-04-12T14:51:17 #kisslinux <spryc> 'error: no video mode found' think... 2021-04-12T14:57:29 #kisslinux <acheam> well grub shell is at least a start 2021-04-12T14:57:49 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: that's probably the bios partition? 2021-04-12T14:57:56 #kisslinux <acheam> how big is it/where on the disk is it? 2021-04-12T14:58:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> I was just looking through the partition types in cfdisk 2021-04-12T14:58:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> was wondering 2021-04-12T14:58:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ah 2021-04-12T14:58:30 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah not sure about that one 2021-04-12T14:58:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> I set up 3 partitions, an EFI at sda1, linux file system at sda2 and a linux home at sda2 2021-04-12T14:58:59 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds good 2021-04-12T14:59:05 #kisslinux <acheam> what sizes? 2021-04-12T15:01:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> 256mb for efi 2021-04-12T15:01:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> 10GB for sda2 2021-04-12T15:01:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> and 19GB for sda2 2021-04-12T15:02:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> since it's a VM I thought sizes don't really matter 2021-04-12T15:02:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw the install tut needs to be updated 2021-04-12T15:02:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> the version on it points to 3-1 2021-04-12T15:02:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> but the latest is 4-1 2021-04-12T15:03:45 #kisslinux <acheam> where? 2021-04-12T15:05:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://k1sslinux.org/install#2.0 2021-04-12T15:05:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> still 3-2 2021-04-12T15:05:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> but https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/releases/tag/2021.4-1 is the latest 2021-04-12T15:05:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah 2021-04-12T15:05:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> just noticed 2021-04-12T15:05:36 #kisslinux <acheam> ah thanks will fix 2021-04-12T15:05:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> only released 15 hours ago 2021-04-12T15:05:42 #kisslinux <acheam> ye 2021-04-12T15:05:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> so maybe just not got around to it I guess 2021-04-12T15:07:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I sent a patch in for it 2021-04-12T15:07:42 #kisslinux <acheam> will get fixed soon(tm) 2021-04-12T15:08:04 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: do I have permission to commit directly to master for stuff like this? 2021-04-12T15:09:45 #kisslinux <acheam> huh look at that, I'm on repology 2021-04-12T15:11:11 #kisslinux <acheam> damn I'm not the only "armaanb" though 2021-04-12T15:14:13 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhh dilyn 2021-04-12T15:14:25 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/9iLDB5m.png 2021-04-12T15:14:31 #kisslinux <acheam> mailserver's down or something 2021-04-12T15:15:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> I did not push my commit :o 2021-04-12T15:15:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes the server is down there's some changes i'm making and they aren't working :v 2021-04-12T15:16:19 #kisslinux <acheam> how will I live without the ML dilyn 2021-04-12T15:16:21 #kisslinux <acheam> how will I live. 2021-04-12T15:17:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> install page updated :) 2021-04-12T15:17:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> you will DIE, acheam! 2021-04-12T15:20:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw, do I have to mount the efi partion /dev/sda1 onto /boot/efi? 2021-04-12T15:20:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> and should I add all this to the fstab file? 2021-04-12T15:20:47 #kisslinux <acheam> most people put it in /boot/EFI 2021-04-12T15:20:59 #kisslinux <acheam> but some people put it elsewhere in /boot 2021-04-12T15:21:06 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, it should go in the fstab 2021-04-12T15:21:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> only if you want it mounted at boot 2021-04-12T15:21:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm fine with using convention I just mean, should I manually mount it? 2021-04-12T15:21:38 #kisslinux <acheam> why wouldn't you want that dilyn 2021-04-12T15:21:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> because you don't need it mounted if you don't write anything to it lol 2021-04-12T15:22:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> I guess it's a sort of write-protect mode when it's unmounted right? 2021-04-12T15:22:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's no harm in doing it or not doing it, it's just a preference thing 2021-04-12T15:22:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> so only mount it when you need to the bootloader 2021-04-12T15:22:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> is that right? 2021-04-12T15:23:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you're using efistub, the kernel is execed by the motherboard directly as an EFI executable 2021-04-12T15:23:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> efibootmgr just tells the motherboard on what disk it can find that executable 2021-04-12T15:23:35 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: to each their own I suppose, I just don't see any point in not doing it 2021-04-12T15:23:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> the kernel commandline paremeters you pass tell it where / is (/dev/sda2, in this case) 2021-04-12T15:23:43 #kisslinux <acheam> and I mess around in there a good bit, so its nice to have it mounted 2021-04-12T15:24:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> If you rm rf / atleast your kernel will be safe 2021-04-12T15:24:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol 2021-04-12T15:24:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure, it's just preference. but that's mostly what /etc/fstab is, a preferences list 2021-04-12T15:24:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-12T15:26:23 #kisslinux <acheam> thats exactly what /etc is haha 2021-04-12T15:26:39 #kisslinux <acheam> ngl it would be 1000x better as a registry tho 2021-04-12T15:26:49 #kisslinux <acheam> (/s) 2021-04-12T15:27:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> what does /etc and /var mean? I mean I don't really understand what is meant by variable data (for var) 2021-04-12T15:27:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/fhs.shtml 2021-04-12T15:27:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> :) 2021-04-12T15:28:19 #kisslinux <acheam> or if you don't want to read the whole spec 2021-04-12T15:28:24 #kisslinux <acheam> /etc is for configs 2021-04-12T15:28:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah 2021-04-12T15:28:47 #kisslinux <acheam> /var is for files the system writes in its operation 2021-04-12T15:29:21 #kisslinux <acheam> so for example, if a program needs to cache something and needs to last beyond a reboot 2021-04-12T15:29:26 #kisslinux <acheam> they'd put it in /var 2021-04-12T15:29:44 #kisslinux <acheam> although there are exceptions as always 2021-04-12T15:29:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh, ok makes sense 2021-04-12T15:29:47 #kisslinux <acheam> like /var/www 2021-04-12T15:29:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> wouldn't that be /srv/www? 2021-04-12T15:30:05 #kisslinux <acheam> it *should* be 2021-04-12T15:30:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh 2021-04-12T15:30:28 #kisslinux <acheam> but for httpd /var/www is default 2021-04-12T15:30:36 #kisslinux <acheam> even though /srv would make more sense to put it in 2021-04-12T15:30:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> what is this, BSD? 2021-04-12T15:30:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> things don't make sense here 2021-04-12T15:35:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D 2021-04-12T15:41:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> apparently the latest commit (I think it's the latest) `187cfg1e` does not have a GPG signature 2021-04-12T15:43:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> it does 2021-04-12T15:43:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is a git bug :( 2021-04-12T15:43:41 #kisslinux <acheam> ? 2021-04-12T15:43:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.fsf.org/news/rms-addresses-the-free-software-community 2021-04-12T15:43:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.fsf.org/news/statement-of-fsf-board-on-election-of-richard-stallman 2021-04-12T15:43:53 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh thanks testuser_[m] 2021-04-12T15:45:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> question, about step `[7.0] The hostname` 2021-04-12T15:46:03 #kisslinux <acheam> yep 2021-04-12T15:46:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> can I chose anything for the HOSTNAME or do I use the result of the `hostname` command? 2021-04-12T15:46:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> and also 2021-04-12T15:46:30 #kisslinux <acheam> you can chose anything 2021-04-12T15:46:39 #kisslinux <acheam> hostname command comes from those files 2021-04-12T15:46:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh 2021-04-12T15:46:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> ian kelling is now on the board? rip fsf 2021-04-12T15:46:54 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl destroyed on #hare 2021-04-12T15:47:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> perhaps that should be made explicit in the install tutorial? 2021-04-12T15:47:27 #kisslinux <acheam> s/destroyed/made the mistake of talking on a ddevault channel/g 2021-04-12T15:47:27 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> kiedtl made the mistake of talking on a ddevault channel on #hare 2021-04-12T15:47:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> or perhaps links from the tutorial to relevant wiki articles? 2021-04-12T15:47:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think that would be super helpful 2021-04-12T15:47:46 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: you're the only person I've ever heard think that 2021-04-12T15:47:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> why? setting a hostname is optional 2021-04-12T15:48:00 #kisslinux <acheam> the install page shouldn't get too heavy 2021-04-12T15:48:05 #kisslinux <acheam> mostly just kiss-specific things 2021-04-12T15:48:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> wait, what happened on #hare? 2021-04-12T15:48:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> well I'm pretty new to doing this sort of thing 2021-04-12T15:48:31 #kisslinux <acheam> nothing major, noocsharp 2021-04-12T15:48:32 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/xVV2uH9.png 2021-04-12T15:48:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah hostname is completely optional 2021-04-12T15:48:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> if new where to find information relevant to that install step It would be helpful 2021-04-12T15:48:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> knew* 2021-04-12T15:48:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can set your hostname in the kernel config and just leave /etc/hostnmae blank :o 2021-04-12T15:49:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> hostname is, afaik, only relevant for mail servers 2021-04-12T15:49:11 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss assumes competency with linux systems, and knowing where to find that info 2021-04-12T15:49:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> even then that's a fallback 2021-04-12T15:49:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: I have a thick skin, I can tolerate some abrasiveness. The hard part is doing so without being a jerk too. 2021-04-12T15:49:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> i see 2021-04-12T15:50:00 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: that's good 2021-04-12T15:50:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'hey this page you link to doesn't exist' 2021-04-12T15:50:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I've actually given the same feedback on another ddevault project 2021-04-12T15:51:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'this is a design decision you would have only heard about if you had been paying attention to everything else' 2021-04-12T15:51:02 #kisslinux <acheam> and was basically told the same thing 2021-04-12T15:51:14 #kisslinux <acheam> he just doesn't really care about dead links 2021-04-12T15:51:42 #kisslinux <acheam> damn I wish that his channels were publically logged 2021-04-12T15:52:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ddevault said that patches are welcome, it was the other one that was being... uncharitable 2021-04-12T15:53:02 #kisslinux <acheam> oh, yeah 2021-04-12T16:00:42 #kisslinux <tink> thermatix Just keep digging, you will get used to it. You probably are more knowledgeable than me when it comes to Linux and I managed to install Kiss a few times. I recall once getting so desperate that I tried copying the sample layout on https://k1sslinux.org/install#3.1 to a file named KISS_PATH. 2021-04-12T16:02:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol 2021-04-12T16:02:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> tink heh 2021-04-12T16:02:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> one thing I've done is to script some of this stuff, like getting kernel source and even the hostname so I can just run a function for it 2021-04-12T16:02:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Has anyone checked out this mold linker https://github.com/rui314/mold 2021-04-12T16:03:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, get_kernel_source will download the kernel source, extract it and then symlink it to /usr/src/linux 2021-04-12T16:03:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> and it's version specific 2021-04-12T16:03:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> that is, it will symlink it to the specified version 2021-04-12T16:04:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> which for me is 5.11.13-zen1 2021-04-12T16:04:30 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: hmm not a fan of how its written in C++20 2021-04-12T16:04:35 #kisslinux <tink> The install page feels more like "this is how we do it on kiss" than "these are the exact steps you need to follow to install kiss" because you are expected to know about it 2021-04-12T16:05:19 #kisslinux <tink> @thermatix so you automated the process in which you download the tar, extract it and copy it to the directory where you build the kernel 2021-04-12T16:05:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> basically 2021-04-12T16:05:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm not sure if I'll need it again since there are patches 2021-04-12T16:05:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> but it helped in this case 2021-04-12T16:05:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> as I'm re-doing this from scratch in the VM 2021-04-12T16:06:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> the install guide is, roughly, a minimum collection of steps to setup the most simple Linux system, and a few niceities on top 2021-04-12T16:07:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> most of the steps can be forgone tbh 2021-04-12T16:07:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam yeah it doesn't even build with normal gcc , needs clang 2021-04-12T16:07:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But linking chromium in 2 seconds seems good 2021-04-12T16:08:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/2/1 2021-04-12T16:10:16 #kisslinux <tink> dilyn What do you think can be omitted from the guide? 2021-04-12T16:10:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Gonna try running it as ld cuz why not 2021-04-12T16:11:46 #kisslinux <acheam> tink: sections 12 and 13 seem unnecesary to me 2021-04-12T16:11:56 #kisslinux <acheam> 14 too probably 2021-04-12T16:12:48 #kisslinux <tink> Checksums and signing as well, perchance 2021-04-12T16:13:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Acheam btw why are you against c++20, too new ? 2021-04-12T16:14:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> Section 3,4,5,6.2-6.4, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14 2021-04-12T16:14:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-12T16:14:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> you just need to untar the archive, make sure you have an init, and have a kernel :v 2021-04-12T16:14:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> but KISS aims to get you from nothing to web browser, so the install guide will get you from nothing to web browser 2021-04-12T16:16:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> for the kernel is the default config options (that is, just do `make defconfig ` and leave as is) fine? at least when running on a VM? 2021-04-12T16:16:41 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: yep 2021-04-12T16:16:53 #kisslinux <acheam> not that thats a terrible thing 2021-04-12T16:17:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I'd just rather use something with better compiler support, etc 2021-04-12T16:17:14 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: yeah you should be fine 2021-04-12T16:18:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> cool 2021-04-12T16:18:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I think the VMs try to be as compatable as possible 2021-04-12T16:18:11 #kisslinux <acheam> s/compatible/generic/g 2021-04-12T16:18:11 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> I think the VMs try to be as compatable as possible 2021-04-12T16:18:15 #kisslinux <acheam> oop 2021-04-12T16:18:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> lool 2021-04-12T16:19:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> aw damn now i want to rebuild my whole system with mold 2021-04-12T16:19:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> what have you done 2021-04-12T16:19:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It doesn't seem to work with lto though 2021-04-12T16:20:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> undefined reference to main, Lol 2021-04-12T16:20:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> my computer was 8 hours in the future :X i am a time traveller 2021-04-12T16:20:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> wow what a bad linker smh 2021-04-12T16:20:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Your commits show up as if they were done in the future too 2021-04-12T16:21:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> github says "commited in $hour hours" 2021-04-12T16:21:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah 2021-04-12T16:21:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> woop 2021-04-12T16:22:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> turns out ntpd was not running on this PC 2021-04-12T16:22:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> which should be resolved.... now 2021-04-12T16:23:27 #kisslinux <acheam> ha 2021-04-12T16:23:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> heh 2021-04-12T16:23:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> would mold speed up builds or something? 2021-04-12T16:24:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> the last step of them yeah 2021-04-12T16:24:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> which given that kiss is all about builds would def speed up them up 2021-04-12T16:24:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> a great boon indeed 2021-04-12T16:25:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbh people who haven't modified mesa and therefore already have llvm on their systems should just install lld and use it 2021-04-12T16:25:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's #blazing 2021-04-12T16:25:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao this dude daemonizes his linker. incredible. 2021-04-12T16:25:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> mold is a feat 2021-04-12T16:27:28 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: I' getting some weird blank emails from you 2021-04-12T16:27:38 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/WlMkHZx.png 2021-04-12T16:27:43 #kisslinux <acheam> might be my client's fault though 2021-04-12T16:27:59 #kisslinux <acheam> also just got this 2021-04-12T16:28:00 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/qSCDZTY.png 2021-04-12T16:30:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's being redelivered because for... a reason... it was undeliverable 2021-04-12T16:31:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't know why the mlmmj email makes it sound like it's including the email - it sent it to you anyways it seems? 2021-04-12T16:31:27 #kisslinux <acheam> yes that was confusing 2021-04-12T16:31:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could query for -6 specifically and see if it IS that email you did get. or I can do it real quick... 2021-04-12T16:32:12 #kisslinux <acheam> its not importatnt lol 2021-04-12T16:32:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol yeah. but I think that problem is specifically related to the latency issues, which I will be solving this afternoon perhaps 2021-04-12T16:32:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> actually I still have 30 minutes on this lunch! I'll do it now. Should be quick 2021-04-12T16:33:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Uh oh, dilyn's slacking off to work on KISS? 2021-04-12T16:34:03 #kisslinux <acheam> that is the most worthy cause to slack off on 2021-04-12T16:34:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Quick, someone kill dilyn! 2021-04-12T16:34:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *kill their connection 2021-04-12T16:35:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> this channel is logged you can't say that 2021-04-12T16:35:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> what if my employer starts scraping the internet to see what I'm doing :P 2021-04-12T16:36:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> last time I checked we're number 6 on Google for "fackemarche" 2021-04-12T16:36:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> because of something xxx said here >=| 2021-04-12T16:36:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-12T16:36:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *fackelmarche 2021-04-12T16:36:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> pushing it higher lol 2021-04-12T16:36:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a cuck 2021-04-12T16:36:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ikr 2021-04-12T16:37:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> qwant doesn't even show results for those words 2021-04-12T16:37:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> neat 2021-04-12T16:38:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol nice 2021-04-12T16:39:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> is it worth storing modified system configs (like `/etc/fstab`) in say `~/sys_configs` and then sym-link them? 2021-04-12T16:40:01 #kisslinux <acheam> just be weary about permissions 2021-04-12T16:40:19 #kisslinux <acheam> s/weary/aware 2021-04-12T16:40:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah fair enough 2021-04-12T16:40:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can vcs your /etc 2021-04-12T16:41:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Why would you do that, though? 2021-04-12T16:41:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh, I honestly never thought of doing that 2021-04-12T16:41:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Etckeeper 2021-04-12T16:41:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> so that when pacman fscks your configs you can rollback and not kill yourself 2021-04-12T16:41:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> is that available for kiss? or is it an arch thing only? 2021-04-12T16:41:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> etckeeper is just on arch 2021-04-12T16:41:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it's basically just a git repo 2021-04-12T16:42:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty sure it just makes a bare repository 2021-04-12T16:42:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then you basically just do a cronjob to add/commit files every so often, or you could probably make a script that watches the files you want and does it 2021-04-12T16:43:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> What's pacman 2021-04-12T16:43:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's cute but I just setup /etc once, copy everything to ~/.system and back it up to my dotfiles repo 2021-04-12T16:43:13 #kisslinux <acheam> the arch package manager? 2021-04-12T16:43:17 #kisslinux <acheam> or is that /s 2021-04-12T16:43:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> a pacman is a wacka wacka wacka 2021-04-12T16:43:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> arch? 2021-04-12T16:43:31 #kisslinux <acheam> alias arch=ubuntu 2021-04-12T16:43:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Is this on Steam? 2021-04-12T16:43:41 #kisslinux <acheam> what is this proprietary program, steam? 2021-04-12T16:43:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol dilyn 2021-04-12T16:44:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> by the power of libasr, emails deliver 2021-04-12T16:44:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/OpenSMTPD/libasr 2021-04-12T16:44:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> hopefully we don't have any mx lookup timeouts now :v 2021-04-12T16:46:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> now I have to figure out how I can turn this simple relay config into one that uses dovecot and still delivers to the list so i can host my own mail... 2021-04-12T16:48:59 #kisslinux <spryc> k 2021-04-12T16:49:13 #kisslinux <spryc> i'm going to just restart 2021-04-12T16:49:19 #kisslinux <spryc> this install is cursed 2021-04-12T16:49:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> I get the feeling that xorg is going to take a while :p 2021-04-12T16:50:01 #kisslinux <acheam> xorgs never been *too* bad 2021-04-12T16:50:14 #kisslinux <acheam> compared to gcc, llvm, cmake, etc 2021-04-12T16:50:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> fair dooes 2021-04-12T16:50:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> doos* 2021-04-12T16:51:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cmake is super horrible in terms of build times for something that's a build system 2021-04-12T16:52:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Takes almost the same time as gcc 2021-04-12T16:53:33 #kisslinux <acheam> lol cmake.org advertises Second Life as a project that uses cmake 2021-04-12T16:53:43 #kisslinux <acheam> with a blurb and all 2021-04-12T16:53:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... why? 2021-04-12T16:55:07 #kisslinux <acheam> whats the general opinion on meon/ninja? 2021-04-12T16:55:37 #kisslinux <acheam> s/meon/meson 2021-04-12T16:55:48 #kisslinux <acheam> lol meson has 1.4k open issues 2021-04-12T16:55:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ninja seems good esp cuz we have mcf's implementation, but the stuff that generates ninja files is ehh 2021-04-12T16:55:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Meson is python 2021-04-12T16:56:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> And cmake is... 2021-04-12T16:56:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Crap 2021-04-12T16:56:21 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah 2021-04-12T16:56:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Tbh meson isn't that bad cuz u have a standard python install on most systems anyway 2021-04-12T16:56:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ye 2021-04-12T16:57:06 #kisslinux <acheam> people who use it seem to really like it 2021-04-12T16:58:59 #kisslinux <spryc> definetly haven't been trying for ���~3 days now... 2021-04-12T16:59:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It's alright 2021-04-12T16:59:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You'll learn a lot 2021-04-12T16:59:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> ninja! 2021-04-12T16:59:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> does this ninja use ninjitsu? 2021-04-12T16:59:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D 2021-04-12T17:00:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> i force samurai for every single cmake project I use :X cmake is so slow 2021-04-12T17:01:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You mean cmake_generator ? 2021-04-12T17:02:48 #kisslinux <acheam> oh samurai is by our friend michael forney 2021-04-12T17:04:35 #kisslinux <jslick> RE: cmake building slow: You mean to build cmake itself? It's 2 min on my gentoo 2021-04-12T17:04:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> does kiss use samurai? 2021-04-12T17:04:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah 2021-04-12T17:05:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> neato 2021-04-12T17:05:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It's in c99 instead of c++ 2021-04-12T17:05:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> jslick i meant cmake itself 2021-04-12T17:05:56 #kisslinux <jslick> like building other projects? 2021-04-12T17:06:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No 2021-04-12T17:06:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just building cmake 2021-04-12T17:07:02 #kisslinux <jslick> hmmm... it's 2 minutes for me. I don't have logs for kiss builds though; maybe it's slower there 2021-04-12T17:08:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah it's about 2-3 mins but that's the same amount of time that gcc takes :p 2021-04-12T17:11:12 #kisslinux <jslick> wait really? gcc is 45 minutes (without lto and pgo) 2021-04-12T17:12:55 #kisslinux <spryc> how did you guys configure your kernels? Just from an allnoconfig? or did you use localyesconfig for example 2021-04-12T17:13:09 #kisslinux <jslick> is there a simple way to do `kiss update` without automatically invoking git pull? 2021-04-12T17:13:43 #kisslinux <acheam> you want to prompt before pulling? 2021-04-12T17:16:12 #kisslinux <jslick> nah, I want to manually pull repos myself before running kiss update 2021-04-12T17:16:55 #kisslinux <aarng> spryc: localyesconfig 2021-04-12T17:17:09 #kisslinux <aarng> I then usually go through all options and disable the things I don't need 2021-04-12T17:17:17 #kisslinux <acheam> ye same 2021-04-12T17:17:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <jslick "wait really? gcc is 45 minutes "> Wtf 2021-04-12T17:17:35 #kisslinux <aarng> the entire menu is not that big 2021-04-12T17:17:51 #kisslinux <aarng> you can go through everything in like 30 minutes 2021-04-12T17:17:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Base gcc for me is only 2-3 min, gcc with pgo lto graphite and all that stuff is 35 min 2021-04-12T17:18:00 #kisslinux <jslick> huh, maybe it's because I have the test suite enabled 2021-04-12T17:18:09 #kisslinux <aarng> also, `make nconfig` is better than menuconfig 2021-04-12T17:18:16 #kisslinux <acheam> what's nconfig? 2021-04-12T17:18:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw why does gconfig require gtk2 2021-04-12T17:18:25 #kisslinux <aarng> just a different ncurces menu 2021-04-12T17:18:28 #kisslinux <acheam> ah 2021-04-12T17:18:30 #kisslinux <aarng> with better keybinds 2021-04-12T17:18:37 #kisslinux * acheam is trying out nconfig right now 2021-04-12T17:18:49 #kisslinux <aarng> arrow keys and left actually goes back, right enters 2021-04-12T17:18:55 #kisslinux <aarng> not this menu at the bottom shit 2021-04-12T17:18:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nconfig looks better too, has a dark -ish "theme" instead of the blinding white on menuconfig 2021-04-12T17:19:04 #kisslinux <aarng> yep 2021-04-12T17:19:12 #kisslinux <aarng> you can set menuconfig to use a dark theme actually 2021-04-12T17:19:21 #kisslinux <aarng> but I always forgot how to do it 2021-04-12T17:19:26 #kisslinux <aarng> so nconfig it is 2021-04-12T17:20:37 #kisslinux <aarng> I don't mind the bright menuconfig theme but the first letter of every option being a bright color SUCKS 2021-04-12T17:20:40 #kisslinux <acheam> woah nconfig is awesome 2021-04-12T17:20:53 #kisslinux <acheam> that's going into the random.html page on my site 2021-04-12T17:21:31 #kisslinux <aarng> it really is much better 2021-04-12T17:25:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> does `fun() { fun }` then calling fun cause a segfault for anyone else in ash/oksh/mksh 2021-04-12T17:25:51 #kisslinux <acheam> yes 2021-04-12T17:26:05 #kisslinux <acheam> in ash 2021-04-12T17:26:30 #kisslinux <acheam> busybox v1.33.0 2021-04-12T17:27:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> sorry of this a bit off topic but, what is it all of a sudden with youtubers trying to plug raycon ear buds? 2021-04-12T17:27:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Wat 2021-04-12T17:27:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Who 2021-04-12T17:27:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> never heard of raycon and then suddenly I keep seeing them 2021-04-12T17:27:42 #kisslinux <acheam> $$ 2021-04-12T17:27:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> currently? game theory 2021-04-12T17:29:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw when I say all of a sudden, I should clarify that I mean within the last like, 6 months I think? 2021-04-12T17:30:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Most stuff on yt is crap anyway 2021-04-12T17:31:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah... :( 2021-04-12T17:32:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> testuser_[m] is it `make linux-nconfig` ? 2021-04-12T17:32:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Its just makes nconfig` 2021-04-12T17:32:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `make nconfig` 2021-04-12T17:32:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm 2021-04-12T17:32:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Why would they add `linux-` before all make options in the kernel sources 2021-04-12T17:33:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :p 2021-04-12T17:33:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43540932/what-is-the-difference-between-make-nconfig-make-linux-nconfig 2021-04-12T17:34:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> That seems buildroot specific 2021-04-12T17:35:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nconfig for configuring buildroot itself and linux-nconfig for configuring the kernel to put in buildroot 2021-04-12T17:35:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh 2021-04-12T17:35:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> I did not notice `buildroot` 2021-04-12T17:43:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn https://k1sslinux.org/install#6.2 is sort of misleading cuz libudev-zero is just the udev lib , and mdev is used as the device manager 2021-04-12T17:44:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Also it's suggested to build util-linux for blkid support in eudev, but right below that it's the steps for installing libudev-zero 2021-04-12T17:44:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So it might be confusing 2021-04-12T17:50:59 #kisslinux <jslick> huh, kiss on my 2nd gen i7 builds gcc 3 times faster than my zen1 desktop. I guess gentoo just builds more stuff w/ gcc 2021-04-12T18:04:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> can I ask, why doesn't `kiss b thing` automatically try to find find and build dependencies? 2021-04-12T18:04:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, trying to build xorg failed because glib wasn't installed 2021-04-12T18:05:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> why isn'it designed to work out that glib isn't installed and build and install that first? 2021-04-12T18:05:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It does find dependencies 2021-04-12T18:05:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But there's this weird bug where it drops a few dependencies randomly 2021-04-12T18:05:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah 2021-04-12T18:05:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok so it's a bug 2021-04-12T18:05:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No one's been able to figure it out yet 2021-04-12T18:06:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> fair enough 2021-04-12T18:06:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It rarely happens so hard to repro 2021-04-12T18:08:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> if anyone gets it again (and running it a second time repros) please send the stdout/err of running the kiss command that fails with "sh -x" so I can take a look and see if I can figure it out (I've done a lot of work with shell and debugging scripts and might be able to figure it out with a log lol) 2021-04-12T18:09:11 #kisslinux <spryc> is this a good video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYcfT0WcCo&t 2021-04-12T18:09:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty solid yah 2021-04-12T18:10:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> I have a question, lets say you ask it to build a list of stuff and it fails mid-way (say because of missing dependency) so you get the missing dendency, would running the build command again cause it to re-build already built things? 2021-04-12T18:10:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> e5ten: my strongest hunch is that it's related to meson 2021-04-12T18:10:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's like, the most commonest of denominators when I experience it. 2021-04-12T18:12:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> top 2021-04-12T18:12:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> wc 2021-04-12T18:13:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> thermatix no the built packages are cached in $HOME/.cache/kiss/bin 2021-04-12T18:13:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> testuser_[m] oh thank god 2021-04-12T18:14:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would rebuild foo bar and baz only if you specifically said `kiss b foo bar baz` 2021-04-12T18:14:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> E5ten I have the log if you want it? 2021-04-12T18:14:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No not the build failure log 2021-04-12T18:15:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The shell "logs" are required to debug the package manager bug 2021-04-12T18:15:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw dilyn you mention Meson well, it's the build system that's running before it Errors out 2021-04-12T18:15:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah I'd need you to run like "sh -x <path to kiss> <args> >file 2>&1" and then send whatever you choose as "file" 2021-04-12T18:15:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah I see 2021-04-12T18:16:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> Ok, next time I get a build failure because of a dependency (I've actually had a few) I'll re-run it but with what you just said 2021-04-12T18:16:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> sounds good 2021-04-12T18:16:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> (mention me if/when it happens and you send it, I might not notice otherwise) 2021-04-12T18:18:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> +1 2021-04-12T18:18:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> (y) 2021-04-12T18:19:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> wooooo 2021-04-12T18:19:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> just booted into kiss 2021-04-12T18:19:19 #kisslinux <spryc> nice 2021-04-12T18:19:28 #kisslinux <spryc> i have been trying for probably 3 days now 2021-04-12T18:19:30 #kisslinux <spryc> on 2 machines 2021-04-12T18:20:06 #kisslinux <spryc> both had unexplainable errors 2021-04-12T18:20:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> though I may have ballsed something up... 2021-04-12T18:21:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> I currently don't have ownership of my own folders BUT 2021-04-12T18:21:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> it seems to think sudo doesn't exist... 2021-04-12T18:21:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you build sudo 2021-04-12T18:21:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> build sudo? 2021-04-12T18:21:56 #kisslinux <aarng> spryc: do you have an integrated GPU in the machine with the amd card? 2021-04-12T18:22:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> that's a thing you have to do? 2021-04-12T18:22:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah 2021-04-12T18:22:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You can use doas / ssu too 2021-04-12T18:22:27 #kisslinux <spryc> doas is nice, im already used to it from openbsd 2021-04-12T18:22:34 #kisslinux <spryc> aarng: i dont 2021-04-12T18:22:43 #kisslinux <spryc> it is a ryzen 5 2600 and rx 580 2021-04-12T18:22:47 #kisslinux <spryc> no iGPUs 2021-04-12T18:22:49 #kisslinux <aarng> ah ok 2021-04-12T18:22:56 #kisslinux <spryc> im just going to reattempt 2021-04-12T18:23:02 #kisslinux <aarng> otherwise you could've tried using that instead of the dedicated card 2021-04-12T18:23:14 #kisslinux <spryc> its frustrating 2021-04-12T18:23:26 #kisslinux <aarng> can imagine 2021-04-12T18:23:47 #kisslinux <spryc> the laptop had errors with the exact same kernel config as my arch install 2021-04-12T18:23:52 #kisslinux <spryc> for some reason 2021-04-12T18:25:21 #kisslinux <spryc> now for the second attempt on my desktop i might just take an existing config 2021-04-12T18:25:43 #kisslinux <spryc> only one of my 3 machines has been working the past 3 days lol. 2021-04-12T18:25:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> "Mailing list expansion problem" :thinking: interesting 2021-04-12T18:27:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> fixed my issue by su as root 2021-04-12T18:27:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> however 2021-04-12T18:27:24 #kisslinux <tink> spryc I have seen a few people following along Mental Outlaw's kernel config video: https://youtu.be/NVWVHiLx1sU 2021-04-12T18:27:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> the build for sudo is currently failing 2021-04-12T18:27:32 #kisslinux <spryc> tink: i did just that 2021-04-12T18:27:43 #kisslinux <tink> I first did as it was told in the video, then went through each config option that seemed relevant to me one by one 2021-04-12T18:28:04 #kisslinux <spryc> i took the kernel config from arch live iso then ran localyesconfig and after that followed what mental outlaw did 2021-04-12T18:28:26 #kisslinux <spryc> and also put in a bunch of firmware blobs i needed for my gpu and cpu 2021-04-12T18:28:50 #kisslinux <tink> Many of the config options have pretty okay descriptions. I looked up whatever config I didn't get online 2021-04-12T18:29:17 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont even know if they were kernel related 2021-04-12T18:29:20 #kisslinux <spryc> just nothing wanted to work 2021-04-12T18:30:49 #kisslinux <tink> yeah i'm just saying what you can do to get a fairly minimal kernel. do you have a kiss that you can boot to now? 2021-04-12T18:30:55 #kisslinux <spryc> no 2021-04-12T18:31:20 #kisslinux <spryc> but i did watch mental outlaws video and did most of what he suggested 2021-04-12T18:40:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> can someone recommend a compositor to go with DWM? 2021-04-12T18:40:42 #kisslinux <spryc> compton 2021-04-12T18:41:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> is there anything else I need other then `exec dwm` and `exec compton` in my `.xinitrc` file? 2021-04-12T18:42:10 #kisslinux <spryc> not really 2021-04-12T18:43:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> probably wanna compton & exec dwm 2021-04-12T18:43:22 #kisslinux <spryc> thats right 2021-04-12T18:43:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> just needs to be in the background 2021-04-12T18:43:29 #kisslinux <spryc> backgrounding compton is a good idea 2021-04-12T18:43:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I check if networking stuff is set up? 2021-04-12T18:43:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> ping your least favourite website 2021-04-12T18:43:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah it's not reaching google.com 2021-04-12T18:44:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> eth or wifi? 2021-04-12T18:44:06 #kisslinux <spryc> dhcpcd on? 2021-04-12T18:44:25 #kisslinux <spryc> you're doing it in a vm right 2021-04-12T18:44:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes 2021-04-12T18:44:43 #kisslinux <spryc> you just need dhcpcd to be running 2021-04-12T18:48:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> running two execs in .xinitrc also wouldn't work anyways :v 2021-04-12T18:48:29 #kisslinux <jslick> not picom ? I had thought compton was abandoned 2021-04-12T18:48:44 #kisslinux <spryc> not sure, compton is what it is called on openbsd 2021-04-12T18:49:05 #kisslinux <spryc> picom is the newer fork i think 2021-04-12T18:50:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes 2021-04-12T18:50:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> it worked! 2021-04-12T18:51:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> now I can install packages, YAY! 2021-04-12T18:51:15 #kisslinux <spryc> well done 2021-04-12T18:51:23 #kisslinux <spryc> wish i was in your position 2021-04-12T18:51:34 #kisslinux <spryc> wont have a working system for probably another day :P 2021-04-12T18:51:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> where you stuck? I realise I'm a noob to this but who knows? 2021-04-12T18:51:47 #kisslinux <spryc> im not stuck 2021-04-12T18:51:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> Winter123 2021-04-12T18:51:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> ,,, 2021-04-12T18:51:55 #kisslinux <spryc> the boot screen is stuck :p 2021-04-12T18:52:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> Boot screen? 2021-04-12T18:52:11 #kisslinux <spryc> some unexplainable things happening 2021-04-12T18:52:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I PM? 2021-04-12T18:52:26 #kisslinux <spryc> kernel does not want to loadi think 2021-04-12T18:52:39 #kisslinux <spryc> not with efibootmgr at least 2021-04-12T18:52:46 #kisslinux <spryc> tried debugging with grub shell� 2021-04-12T18:53:00 #kisslinux <spryc> and it said something about a ivideo mode not found 2021-04-12T18:53:12 #kisslinux <spryc> ill just re configure the kernel and see what i need 2021-04-12T18:55:21 #kisslinux <spryc> tempted to do an make allyesconfig :p 2021-04-12T18:55:45 #kisslinux <aarng> spryc, did you read the radeon page in the gentoo wiki? 2021-04-12T18:55:50 #kisslinux <spryc> yes i did 2021-04-12T18:55:53 #kisslinux <spryc> followed everything they said 2021-04-12T18:55:56 #kisslinux <spryc> precisely 2021-04-12T18:56:06 #kisslinux <aarng> ok, just making sure 2021-04-12T18:56:07 #kisslinux <spryc> included all the firmware for polaris1+ 2021-04-12T18:56:12 #kisslinux <spryc> *polaris10 2021-04-12T18:56:27 #kisslinux <spryc> im starting from scratch now 2021-04-12T18:57:03 #kisslinux <aarng> worth a try, gl 2021-04-12T18:57:25 #kisslinux <spryc> just to make sure, all firmware should be seperated just with a space right? 2021-04-12T18:58:24 #kisslinux <spryc> lets say i copy everything i need to /usr/lib/firmware and then in the place where it says what firmware i want to include i'd just do 'firmware1.bin firmware2.bin' and so on 2021-04-12T19:00:01 #kisslinux <aarng> yep, that's correct 2021-04-12T19:00:14 #kisslinux <spryc> thats precisely what i did. 2021-04-12T19:00:22 #kisslinux <spryc> well 4th time is the charm 2021-04-12T19:03:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> is Picom available on kiss? 2021-04-12T19:04:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> nvm it is 2021-04-12T19:07:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kiss s pkg 2021-04-12T19:17:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> I can't seem to find fbdev and vesa for running Xorg 2021-04-12T19:17:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> where do I get them? 2021-04-12T19:19:46 #kisslinux <spryc> kiss b mesa 2021-04-12T19:21:21 #kisslinux <root> yo 2021-04-12T19:21:43 #kisslinux <root> nixi: yo 2021-04-12T19:25:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> mesa is responsible for all your graphics needs 2021-04-12T19:30:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm 2021-04-12T19:32:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> thanks 2021-04-12T20:19:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> just got xorg and dwm to run, it's all grey but I'm there :d 2021-04-12T20:21:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> yay! 2021-04-12T20:21:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> gz 2021-04-12T20:22:08 #kisslinux <spryc> still working on it 2021-04-12T20:22:26 #kisslinux <spryc> ill not tweak the kernel too much since that would be wasted time if it does end up not working 2021-04-12T20:23:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's the best way to start dwm and picom? 2021-04-12T20:23:45 #kisslinux <spryc> in .xinitrc 2021-04-12T20:23:53 #kisslinux <spryc> with startx 2021-04-12T20:23:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> no i mean, the actual commands 2021-04-12T20:23:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, do I do 2021-04-12T20:24:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> `ssh-agent dwm` 2021-04-12T20:24:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> That's what I'd use. 2021-04-12T20:24:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> If you don't need ssh-agent, just use `dwm` 2021-04-12T20:24:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> `picom -b & n exec dwm` 2021-04-12T20:24:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> err, `exec dwm` 2021-04-12T20:24:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 2021-04-12T20:24:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that's fine 2021-04-12T20:24:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> doesn't really matter 2021-04-12T20:24:37 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hello 2021-04-12T20:24:37 #kisslinux <spryc> that is ok yeah 2021-04-12T20:24:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ehlo 2021-04-12T20:24:43 #kisslinux <spryc> just background picom 2021-04-12T20:24:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> will it recognise picom? 2021-04-12T20:24:46 #kisslinux <spryc> o/ mmatongo 2021-04-12T20:24:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It should... 2021-04-12T20:24:58 #kisslinux <mmatongo> sup to you all 2021-04-12T20:25:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> allow 2021-04-12T20:25:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> allo 2021-04-12T20:25:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> hello 2021-04-12T20:25:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> i fail 2021-04-12T20:25:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the ceiling, mmatongo 2021-04-12T20:25:18 #kisslinux <mmatongo> cedric refuses to come to irc, i tried 2021-04-12T20:25:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what's cedric's relation to you? 2021-04-12T20:25:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> if you don't mind me asking 2021-04-12T20:27:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> startx launches all the programs you specify in order and traps on exec, iirc? so exec $wm should always be last, background everything else 2021-04-12T20:28:01 #kisslinux <merakor> https://github.com/cemkeylan/sc 2021-04-12T20:28:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless it's like, st 2021-04-12T20:28:05 #kisslinux <merakor> You have heard of minimalism 2021-04-12T20:28:10 #kisslinux <merakor> Prepare for hyper minimalism 2021-04-12T20:28:15 #kisslinux <merakor> 1sloc service manager 2021-04-12T20:28:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> is it MIT 2021-04-12T20:28:41 #kisslinux <merakor> It is 0bsd 2021-04-12T20:28:46 #kisslinux <merakor> I didn't add the license yet 2021-04-12T20:29:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> best service manager 2021-04-12T20:29:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> needs docker support 2021-04-12T20:29:24 #kisslinux <merakor> I need to add that, yeah 2021-04-12T20:33:02 #kisslinux <spryc> never seen a better service manager 2021-04-12T20:33:15 #kisslinux <spryc> it does seem to give me an error at install tho... 2021-04-12T20:33:27 #kisslinux <spryc> /s :p 2021-04-12T20:34:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Ugh, sorry, I should do built-in unit tests as well 2021-04-12T20:35:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> `echo PASS` /fin 2021-04-12T20:38:32 #kisslinux <merakor> Added unit tests 2021-04-12T20:38:52 #kisslinux <spryc> ythe "discontinued" in red text on kiss's page over at DW is making me a bit upset.. 2021-04-12T20:45:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> do I have to change config.h to change how dwm looks like? 2021-04-12T20:47:14 #kisslinux <merakor> thermatix: Yeah, also by patching the source 2021-04-12T20:47:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> i'm sorry but... ewu 2021-04-12T20:47:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> whatabout keyboard commands? 2021-04-12T20:48:22 #kisslinux <merakor> Keyboard commands are also set on the config.h file 2021-04-12T20:48:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> why? 2021-04-12T20:48:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> just... why? 2021-04-12T20:48:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> because how else would dwm know what you want 2021-04-12T20:49:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> with a `.conf` file? 2021-04-12T20:49:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> too much bloat 2021-04-12T20:49:15 #kisslinux <merakor> .conf files are bloat 2021-04-12T20:49:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is not the suckless way 2021-04-12T20:49:22 #kisslinux <spryc> parsing a file is not very suckless 2021-04-12T20:49:24 #kisslinux <spryc> indeed 2021-04-12T20:49:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> reading is for humans. don't make your programs read. 2021-04-12T20:49:46 #kisslinux <spryc> config.h is quite convenient 2021-04-12T20:49:55 #kisslinux <spryc> easy to hack on 2021-04-12T20:50:05 #kisslinux <merakor> I personally set dwm-specific bindings on config.h and use sxhkd for my other bindings 2021-04-12T20:50:10 #kisslinux <spryc> but if you wish you can use something like sxhkd to bind things 2021-04-12T20:50:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw starting x seems to switch me to root 2021-04-12T20:50:43 #kisslinux <jslick> yeah that's what I do 2021-04-12T20:50:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> for the life of me i cannot get dovecot to deliver in its canonical mailbox format 2021-04-12T20:50:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> wth 2021-04-12T20:51:25 #kisslinux <merakor> I have stopped interacting with mail servers long ago 2021-04-12T20:51:38 #kisslinux <merakor> It's just a huge pain in the ass 2021-04-12T20:52:35 #kisslinux <merakor> I have switched to mail-in-a-box like two years ago 2021-04-12T20:53:29 #kisslinux <merakor> It's pretty neat unless you are attempting to create a mailing-list :D 2021-04-12T20:54:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm doing basically mail-in-a-box just without the help, seems like 2021-04-12T20:54:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel 2021-04-12T20:55:38 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah I used to do it manually as well, glad I am not doing it anymore 2021-04-12T20:57:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's at the very least an interesting experiment 2021-04-12T20:57:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> if not... very confusing and frustrating at this point 2021-04-12T20:57:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, i'm so close. except all my mail just goes to a file 2021-04-12T20:57:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> OH 2021-04-12T21:00:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> does the firefox bin repo work? 2021-04-12T21:01:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah 2021-04-12T21:01:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> can't confirm if cmake/nodejs/clang work tho, but rust and llvm work 2021-04-12T21:02:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> so i assume they all work :o 2021-04-12T21:04:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> just to clarify, it's this one right? https://github.com/depsterr/kiss-firefox-bin 2021-04-12T21:04:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> or is it the one in extra? 2021-04-12T21:08:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> nah 2021-04-12T21:08:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> github.com/kiss-community/repo-bin 2021-04-12T21:09:33 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Thank you dilyn, you are a life saver 2021-04-12T21:09:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> :) 2021-04-12T21:10:18 #kisslinux <mmatongo> goodnight from africa ladies, gentlemen and other pronouns. 2021-04-12T21:10:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> nn 2021-04-12T21:10:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> how to chose which package to build? 2021-04-12T21:17:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> nvm, just cd'd to repo directory 2021-04-12T21:19:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> `kiss` searches KISS_PATH and the first match to $pkg it finds is the one it uses 2021-04-12T21:19:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> can any one build the firefox-bin version? i'm getting a checksum missmatch with cairo 2021-04-12T21:19:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> so if you want to build repo-bin/bin/firefox instead of repo/extra/firefox, repo-bin/bin has to come before repo/extra in your KISS_PATH 2021-04-12T21:20:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah 2021-04-12T21:21:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> we should probably update cairo tbh 2021-04-12T21:21:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering it moved https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/cairo/ 2021-04-12T21:22:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> does that mean I can't do anything with firefox till that's fixed? 2021-04-12T21:23:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> delete the cached cairo source from .cache/kiss/sources/cairo/* 2021-04-12T21:23:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then do kiss u 2021-04-12T21:23:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> just fixed the checksums, dunno how they broke 2021-04-12T21:29:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> rust is working, though via rustup but I prefer that over building from source 2021-04-12T21:48:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> apparently I fundamentally misunderstood how smtpd delivers with dovecot? idk. but it seems to work now... 2021-04-12T21:48:39 #kisslinux <acheam> yay 2021-04-12T21:49:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah. now I just need to figure out how to get a bloody archiver working :v 2021-04-12T21:49:24 #kisslinux <acheam> tar? 2021-04-12T21:49:26 #kisslinux <acheam> :P 2021-04-12T21:49:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng 2021-04-12T21:49:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, crojobs are a thing lol 2021-04-12T21:50:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> also have to figure out how exactly to... connect... these things... 2021-04-12T21:50:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm 2021-04-12T21:50:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> when I try to run a program, say alacritty via dmenu 2021-04-12T21:51:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> in dwm 2021-04-12T21:51:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I would just have an offlineimap sync every 5min and generate pages via bubger 2021-04-12T21:51:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> nothing happens 2021-04-12T21:51:06 #kisslinux <acheam> don't make it too complicated 2021-04-12T21:51:24 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: any program? 2021-04-12T21:51:34 #kisslinux <acheam> and you're using stock dwm? 2021-04-12T21:51:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes 2021-04-12T21:51:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> stock dwm 2021-04-12T21:51:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> add alacritty & to your .xinitrc before exec dwm and try to launch alacritty from that terminal 2021-04-12T21:51:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> or try st 2021-04-12T21:52:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you have a font installed? :P 2021-04-12T21:52:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes 2021-04-12T21:52:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> and yes, any program 2021-04-12T21:54:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh wow is that broken 2021-04-12T21:55:08 #kisslinux <acheam> ? 2021-04-12T21:55:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> i ran vim from dmenu 2021-04-12T21:55:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> nothing happend 2021-04-12T21:55:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> exited dwm 2021-04-12T21:55:21 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: are mailing lists supposed to send you back a copy of your own message 2021-04-12T21:55:24 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: that's expected 2021-04-12T21:55:30 #kisslinux <acheam> it needs a terminal to run in 2021-04-12T21:55:38 #kisslinux <acheam> wait it crashed dwm? 2021-04-12T21:55:45 #kisslinux <acheam> because that *isn't* expected 2021-04-12T21:55:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> no I mean 2021-04-12T21:55:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> I exited dwm 2021-04-12T21:55:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> and then it got wierd 2021-04-12T21:56:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, it was running the shell and vim at the same time 2021-04-12T21:56:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> and commands were all wierd 2021-04-12T21:56:53 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe you just needed to ^L? 2021-04-12T21:57:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> had to exit the VM to fix it 2021-04-12T21:58:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol bubger requires ctags... 2021-04-12T21:58:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: uh, probably not 2021-04-12T21:58:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-12T21:58:24 #kisslinux <acheam> it might just be a setting you have to flip 2021-04-12T21:58:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I ensure things like dhcpcd are started correctly? 2021-04-12T21:58:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> on startup 2021-04-12T21:58:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, is there a config file 2021-04-12T21:58:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> in /etc/rc.d 2021-04-12T21:59:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> see: /etc/rc.conf 2021-04-12T22:04:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> do you have any recommendations for things that I should put in there or a guide for that sort of thing? 2021-04-12T22:04:24 #kisslinux <acheam> anything that you need? 2021-04-12T22:05:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'll come up with things as you go 2021-04-12T22:05:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> "wow I really wish my volume would be at xyz level on bootup" 2021-04-12T22:06:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> "man I really want to set my scheduler when I turn on my computer" 2021-04-12T22:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> "it'd be sick if my zram devices were already setup when I logged in" 2021-04-12T22:06:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> etc etc 2021-04-12T22:06:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> rc.d is a living folder :v 2021-04-12T22:14:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh 2021-04-12T22:14:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> fair enough 2021-04-12T22:15:53 #kisslinux <tink> On that note, how do you guys handle volume control? Do you use terminal commands to change the volume? I like using F2 and F3 for volume down and up respectively but I haven't figured out a way to make it display at what percentage the volume is whenever I hit either of the buttons 2021-04-12T22:17:37 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/bin/tree/main/setter is how I do it on arch 2021-04-12T22:17:38 #kisslinux <tink> I thought about using tiramisu or herbe but in that case if I held down volume up for a second, there would be tens of notifications stacked on top of each other 2021-04-12T22:17:48 #kisslinux <acheam> dunst has a really nice way of handling that 2021-04-12T22:17:51 #kisslinux <acheam> but requires dbus 2021-04-12T22:18:15 #kisslinux <acheam> dunst also has sliders so I can get a visual representation of how much volume is on 2021-04-12T22:19:46 #kisslinux <acheam> if you have a bar, you can use that to display something that indicates change 2021-04-12T22:20:00 #kisslinux <tink> No bars, no dbus 2021-04-12T22:20:34 #kisslinux <acheam> that's the best way :) 2021-04-12T22:20:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm at no bars, not no dbus yet 2021-04-12T22:21:58 #kisslinux <tink> But I am thinking about setting up a bar that appears for two seconds upon keypress and shows time, battery and volume. It could also show up when I change volume 2021-04-12T22:22:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You could use lemonbar 2021-04-12T22:22:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> for that 2021-04-12T22:23:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Just start it with a script on a keypress (say with that bspwm key handler thing, shkchdhd or whatever), pipe the stuff to it, and kill it after a few seconds pass 2021-04-12T22:23:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> z3bra had a tutorial on how to use lemonbar like a notification popup, check out that 2021-04-12T22:23:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> tink: 2021-04-12T22:23:55 #kisslinux <tink> Yeah, this one: https://blog.z3bra.org/2014/04/pop-it-up.html 2021-04-12T22:26:05 #kisslinux <acheam> of course z3bra's got something 2021-04-12T22:26:13 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm actually in the middle of writing a no-bar post as well 2021-04-12T22:26:29 #kisslinux <acheam> s/post/page 2021-04-12T22:26:36 #kisslinux <tink> Whata about xob 2021-04-12T22:26:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's up with the images on z3bra? 2021-04-12T22:26:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> they're like, super low res 2021-04-12T22:26:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> I have to click on it to show it properlty 2021-04-12T22:27:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> properly* 2021-04-12T22:27:17 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that happened with me too 2021-04-12T22:27:18 #kisslinux <acheam> not sure 2021-04-12T22:28:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> so do I have to run lemonbar or somehthing like it to show status stuff on dwm in the top right? 2021-04-12T22:28:41 #kisslinux <acheam> no 2021-04-12T22:28:43 #kisslinux <acheam> xsetroot 2021-04-12T22:28:55 #kisslinux <acheam> or use one of the tons of bar-setting programs 2021-04-12T22:30:14 #kisslinux <tink> Are libx11 and libconfig built when you install xorg using the kiss repo 2021-04-12T22:30:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I check? 2021-04-12T22:31:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> also how do I set the default terminal app? 2021-04-12T22:31:15 #kisslinux <tink> Oh, my question was just a question to anyone who knows about it 2021-04-12T22:31:24 #kisslinux <tink> I don't recognize the packages, though xorg has a bunch of dependencies for that matter 2021-04-12T22:31:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> most sites say use "select-alternatives" 2021-04-12T22:36:01 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word 2021-04-12T22:59:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> going to bed but before I do, how do i install libXi? 2021-04-12T23:00:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> searching for it reveals nothing :( 2021-04-12T23:00:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean doing 2021-04-12T23:00:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> `kiss s libXi` like I did for `libXcursor` 2021-04-12T23:01:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> never mind 2021-04-12T23:01:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> found it 2021-04-12T23:02:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can tell if foo is installed via `kiss l foo` 2021-04-12T23:02:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> I need to be honest 2021-04-12T23:02:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can do grep -i libx11 /var/db/kiss/installed/*/depends to see if anything requires it 2021-04-12T23:02:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> the seacher is a bit.. 2021-04-12T23:02:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> naff 2021-04-12T23:02:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> like 2021-04-12T23:02:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss 2021-04-12T23:02:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> I type in 2021-04-12T23:02:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-12T23:03:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> `kiss s libxi` and it says doesn't exist 2021-04-12T23:03:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> when it should go somehting like 2021-04-12T23:03:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> because it's libXi 2021-04-12T23:03:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> doesn't exist but found libXi 2021-04-12T23:03:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty much every X lib is named libXfoo 2021-04-12T23:03:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> shouldn't the searcher be a bit more fuzzy? 2021-04-12T23:04:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> we're saving the right to have case-sensitive packages :v 2021-04-12T23:04:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean it could probably be made fuzzy 2021-04-12T23:04:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> I just mean the searcher 2021-04-12T23:05:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> If I type with the wrong case then it should at least say, "hey, we didn't find anything but we did find these things that are a bit like it" 2021-04-12T23:05:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean it's not really a searcher if it requires exact naming to find it 2021-04-12T23:05:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> right 2021-04-12T23:06:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> just some food for though 2021-04-12T23:06:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean what i'm saying is right now pkg_find just does a literal match of "$1" 2021-04-12T23:06:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> it could be made fuzzy if it was tweaked a bit 2021-04-12T23:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> but then we would lose the option to have, say, libFoo & libfoo 2021-04-12T23:06:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> despite that though, I'm liking it 2021-04-12T23:06:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> it was mostly tongue in cheak tho :P 2021-04-12T23:06:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> we wouldn't 2021-04-12T23:07:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> just make the search function fuzzy 2021-04-12T23:07:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> but require exact names to build and install 2021-04-12T23:07:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> well then i'd have to change everything that uses pkg_find 2021-04-12T23:08:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> or write a new pkg_search() {} 2021-04-12T23:08:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, maybe 2021-04-12T23:08:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm 2021-04-12T23:08:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> one last issue before bed 2021-04-12T23:08:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> why does starting x log me in as root? 2021-04-12T23:09:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> no wait 2021-04-12T23:09:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> ignore that 2021-04-12T23:09:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> it shouldn't :v 2021-04-12T23:09:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm an idiot 2021-04-12T23:09:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-12T23:09:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> I got so used the janky looking colour scheme with vim 2021-04-12T23:09:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> that I didn't recognise my own .profile file XD 2021-04-12T23:10:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> the first thing I do on a new machine is copy my vim config 2021-04-12T23:10:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao 2021-04-12T23:10:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> heh 2021-04-12T23:10:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think kiss search should be fuzzy 2021-04-12T23:10:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm thinking of starting it from scratch (though copy somethings over) 2021-04-12T23:10:23 #kisslinux <acheam> it has programmatic uses 2021-04-12T23:10:28 #kisslinux <acheam> but what you can do 2021-04-12T23:10:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> but the point of a search is to find stuff 2021-04-12T23:10:51 #kisslinux <acheam> list all the packages, then pipe that into fzf 2021-04-12T23:11:10 #kisslinux <acheam> its "search for a package" not "explore the repos" 2021-04-12T23:11:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> perhaps seperate functions? one for find exact and one for search 2021-04-12T23:11:22 #kisslinux <acheam> there is also kiss find 2021-04-12T23:11:26 #kisslinux <acheam> which searches all of github 2021-04-12T23:12:02 #kisslinux <acheam> echo "$KISS_PATH" | tr ':' " " | xargs ls | grep -v /var/db | fzf | xargs kiss s 2021-04-12T23:12:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss s * | less 2021-04-12T23:12:20 #kisslinux <acheam> stolen from u/known-internet 2021-04-12T23:12:23 #kisslinux <acheam> it needs some work though 2021-04-12T23:13:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://archive.k1sslinux.org/ 2021-04-12T23:13:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> needs some php 2021-04-12T23:13:13 #kisslinux <acheam> blank white screen 2021-04-12T23:13:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> OR i can just write the index as css instead. sounds easier 2021-04-12T23:13:19 #kisslinux <acheam> php is boo boo 2021-04-12T23:13:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah becasue it's P H P :P 2021-04-12T23:13:27 #kisslinux <acheam> why not static pages? 2021-04-12T23:13:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> this was just a quick and dirty go 2021-04-12T23:14:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> how does kiss-lang not have php... mmatongo: ! ?=| 2021-04-12T23:21:46 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: kiss s * | xargs -l basename | fzf --preview 'kiss search {} | xargs -l dirname' 2021-04-12T23:21:53 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a slightly better fzf command 2021-04-12T23:22:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> thanks, well g'night¬ 2021-04-12T23:22:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> thanks, well g'night!