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2021-04-09T00:03:24 #kisslinux <acheam> (sorry for the onslaught of messages)
2021-04-09T00:03:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re TZ, I'm in EST
2021-04-09T00:03:58 #kisslinux <acheam> oh sick
2021-04-09T00:04:01 #kisslinux <acheam> EST gang
2021-04-09T00:04:18 #kisslinux <acheam> idk why I thought you were in europe
2021-04-09T00:10:05 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks dylan: https://i.imgur.com/xTqXc8V.png
2021-04-09T00:10:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll tackle these in out of order lel
2021-04-09T00:10:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> truly a documentation master
2021-04-09T00:11:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiedtl: no reason for the lack of merge. Got distracted, had less time yesterday than I anticipated.
2021-04-09T00:11:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> the relationship between @/community/repositories and $/awesome-kiss is that when awesome-kiss was made we didn't have access to the website :v I imagine it can change now
2021-04-09T00:12:18 #kisslinux <acheam> which should merge into which, if any?
2021-04-09T00:12:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> I did not get an email for that PR, which is why I didn't notice it :o I'll change that and take a look
2021-04-09T00:12:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> not sure!
2021-04-09T00:13:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> $/awesome-kiss is more complete right?
2021-04-09T00:13:04 #kisslinux <acheam> you know what would have ensured that you got an email for it?
2021-04-09T00:13:08 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, necromansy
2021-04-09T00:13:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> so it should be merged into @/community/repos and the redundants dropped?
2021-04-09T00:13:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> imo
2021-04-09T00:14:25 #kisslinux <acheam> there is something to be said about the awesome-* platform though
2021-04-09T00:14:52 #kisslinux <acheam> awesome-kiss has more than repos btw, so it could be turned into a @/community/universe page or smthng
2021-04-09T00:15:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive never really been a fan of the GH awesome-* thing, the only decent one i've found is the alternatives doc
2021-04-09T00:19:22 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-09T00:19:36 #kisslinux <acheam> check logbot, there was some discussion about this when it was first created
2021-04-09T00:19:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I feel like repo tags are more in line with a KISS universe
2021-04-09T00:20:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> the mailing list is coming! that's what I've been so distracted with!
2021-04-09T00:20:04 #kisslinux <acheam> that only works for github though
2021-04-09T00:20:05 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-04-09T00:20:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> If I wanted to appeal to external services for any part of it I would've just gone with June's whole method of contact cards and auto responses...
2021-04-09T00:21:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> but my goal is by sunday evening every kink will be ironed out and all the test emails I'll have sent will *not* be available, anywhere
2021-04-09T00:21:20 #kisslinux <acheam> as an outspoken anti-GitHub FUD spreader I don't agree with the tag method for the overall system
2021-04-09T00:21:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're embarassing. the last one I sent says 'pls work i am about to cry'
2021-04-09T00:21:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> it did not work :'(
2021-04-09T00:21:35 #kisslinux <acheam> :( don't cry
2021-04-09T00:21:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> too late for my tear-stained everything :'( :'( :'(
2021-04-09T00:21:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> is there anyway to subscribe to the mailing list rn so i can see these test pls ignores? :>
2021-04-09T00:22:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I second that
2021-04-09T00:22:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> you wont' get any emails
2021-04-09T00:22:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> ohright coz it doesnt work
2021-04-09T00:22:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> heck
2021-04-09T00:22:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I imagine if you send an email to kiss+subscribe⊙mkn you'll show up in my folder hierarchy
2021-04-09T00:22:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/net/org/
2021-04-09T00:22:27 #kisslinux <movzbl> <dilyn> but I imagine if you send an email to kiss+subscribe⊙mko you'll show up in my folder hierarchy
2021-04-09T00:22:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao ope
2021-04-09T00:22:38 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: how do you feel about adding someone else to the server or domain name at least
2021-04-09T00:22:51 #kisslinux <acheam> wow even dilyn is saying .net
2021-04-09T00:22:52 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-09T00:25:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> the mail bounced with: "Have to invoke either as root or as the user owning listdir"
2021-04-09T00:26:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> i imagine that's not just me being dumb and not knowing how to email
2021-04-09T00:27:59 #kisslinux <acheam> mine didn't bounce
2021-04-09T00:28:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> the bounce notification went to my junk fyi
2021-04-09T00:28:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> good to know! useful!
2021-04-09T00:28:23 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-09T00:28:35 #kisslinux <acheam> it might not have recognized mine has a subscribe message though
2021-04-09T00:28:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I made it a bit memey
2021-04-09T00:28:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-09T00:29:34 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: you've got a broken link on your site
2021-04-09T00:29:54 #kisslinux <acheam> the "minimalism" link seems to be relative, when I think you meant it to be absolute
2021-04-09T00:31:07 #kisslinux <acheam> also, just a qustion, if your base64ing your email, do you really need to spam-protect it with [at] instead of @ and stuff
2021-04-09T00:34:54 #kisslinux <acheam> the joy link is broken as well
2021-04-09T00:42:53 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> please tell me that's on purpose
2021-04-09T00:43:14 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-09T00:53:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> No, I don't really need to have the [at], but hey why not /shrug
2021-04-09T00:53:53 #kisslinux <acheam> its even more of a wild goose chase :)
2021-04-09T00:54:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Also thanks for the borken linken notice
2021-04-09T00:55:20 #kisslinux <acheam> np
2021-04-09T00:56:17 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> kiedtl is that brainfuck on your site
2021-04-09T00:56:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, the avatar is cat in brainfuck.
2021-04-09T00:57:36 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> nice
2021-04-09T00:59:03 #kisslinux <acheam> why do you like lobsters so much?
2021-04-09T00:59:55 #kisslinux * kiedtl 'll answer that in an hour or so, going afk again
2021-04-09T01:00:15 #kisslinux <acheam> see ya
2021-04-09T02:05:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm. I can ping localhost just fine, but i can't like... ssh localhost...
2021-04-09T02:05:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> is that a thing I should normally be able to do?
2021-04-09T02:06:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> wget localhost returns that it's a permanent redirect so it looks like i can establish connections in general, just not with mlmmj-send. which is crazy.
2021-04-09T02:07:30 #kisslinux <acheam> huh weird
2021-04-09T02:07:33 #kisslinux <acheam> firewall?
2021-04-09T02:07:37 #kisslinux <acheam> port openings?
2021-04-09T02:07:45 #kisslinux <acheam> ports being used already?
2021-04-09T02:08:08 #kisslinux <jslick> yes I think so, but if you are trying to ssh as root but you have `PermitRootLogin prohibit-password` or something, it won't work
2021-04-09T02:08:31 #kisslinux <acheam> assuming your using key auth
2021-04-09T02:08:37 #kisslinux <acheam> if your not, just put 'yes' there
2021-04-09T02:08:48 #kisslinux <acheam> and it will take the key auth/password auth settings from elsewhere in the file
2021-04-09T02:09:10 #kisslinux <acheam> although when I try and ssh into git.k1sslinux.org I get connection refused
2021-04-09T02:09:23 #kisslinux <acheam> idk if your running it on an alternate port or smthng though
2021-04-09T02:10:22 #kisslinux <acheam> same thing if I try root⊙4711
2021-04-09T02:13:08 #kisslinux <himmalerin> hate having to build rust, it takes *so* long
2021-04-09T02:14:12 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-09T02:14:30 #kisslinux <acheam> there is a binary on their site for musl though
2021-04-09T02:14:45 #kisslinux <acheam> I think someone has a kiss package for it too
2021-04-09T02:15:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> hah. I thought i was nonroot. yes, I have root login disabled. regular user can ssh 127.0.0.1 just fine
2021-04-09T02:15:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> so why the fuck can't mlmmj-send establish a connection >=|
2021-04-09T02:18:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: I prefer lobsters over reddit/OrangeSite for several reasons: 1) I personally feel that the invite-only nature leads to higher-quality discourse + better noise-to-signal ratio in general; 2) there is a strong focus on moderator transparency; 3) lobsters is smaller, so it's a more tightly-knit community; 4) the moderators are much stricter regarding obnoxious behaviour and off-topic
2021-04-09T02:18:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> discourse
2021-04-09T02:20:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> i.e lobsters is strictly programming only, so you won't see people whining about how vaccines are messing with your dna or how bitcoin would've solved world hunger
2021-04-09T02:20:42 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm that makes sense
2021-04-09T02:20:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> that sounds like a nice little place then
2021-04-09T02:21:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm still generaly against upvote-centric link-agregation sites, because they create hive minds
2021-04-09T02:21:31 #kisslinux <acheam> people speak with the majority because they are rewarded with fake internet points
2021-04-09T02:22:28 #kisslinux <acheam> the smaller the better though so lobsters isn't too bad in that regard
2021-04-09T02:22:40 #kisslinux <acheam> tildes.net is also not terrible
2021-04-09T02:23:13 #kisslinux <acheam> but there is still a notion of points are good, and subconsiously that makes you think in the majority
2021-04-09T02:23:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the fact that there are no downvotes on lobsters somewhat alleviates that issue
2021-04-09T02:24:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I do understand the appeal though, and lobsters is pretty cool for what it is
2021-04-09T02:24:05 #kisslinux <acheam> a bit
2021-04-09T02:24:10 #kisslinux <acheam> but it can do the opposite as well
2021-04-09T02:24:34 #kisslinux <acheam> by giving reinforcement to ideas without any idea of disagreement
2021-04-09T02:24:51 #kisslinux <acheam> "I have 25 upvotes" vs "I have 25 upvotes and 150 downvotes"
2021-04-09T02:25:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> there are a few other perks, like 1) a mailing-list/nntp mode; 2) tag filtering; 3) per-tag rss feed, etc
2021-04-09T02:25:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> um
2021-04-09T02:25:29 #kisslinux <acheam> oh thats nice
2021-04-09T02:25:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >people speak with the majority because they are rewarded with fake internet points
2021-04-09T02:26:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> downvotes were removed specifically because people use it to punish disagreement...
2021-04-09T02:26:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/disagreement/alternate opinions/
2021-04-09T02:26:14 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> downvotes were removed specifically because people use it to punish alternate opinions...
2021-04-09T02:26:39 #kisslinux <acheam> I think there are two ways that you can view
2021-04-09T02:26:40 #kisslinux <acheam> it
2021-04-09T02:26:51 #kisslinux <acheam> one that downvotes are used to punish alternate opinions
2021-04-09T02:27:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you flag comments/stories (and give a reason, e.g. troll/unkind), which lowers the score as well as puts a note on the moderator dashboard
2021-04-09T02:27:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> YEah, I see your point
2021-04-09T02:27:37 #kisslinux <acheam> and two, that downvotes show an ideas relative popularity, which is an important thing to know
2021-04-09T02:27:47 #kisslinux <acheam> see twitter for example
2021-04-09T02:27:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Though I'm hard-pressed to think of something better than sort-by-newest or sort-by-popularest
2021-04-09T02:28:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> not necessarily
2021-04-09T02:28:09 #kisslinux <acheam> you get wrapped up in your own hyper partisian circles because they're filled with only positive reinforcement
2021-04-09T02:28:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, the more popular opnion will just have more points
2021-04-09T02:28:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and if you disagree with that, you make a reply, and people will upvote that
2021-04-09T02:28:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> That's my experience, anyway
2021-04-09T02:28:44 #kisslinux <acheam> sure that works
2021-04-09T02:28:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> .6'
2021-04-09T02:28:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fuck
2021-04-09T02:29:04 #kisslinux <acheam> but writing a comment takes a lot more effort than clicking a screen, that most people are not willing to do for a simple disagreement
2021-04-09T02:29:17 #kisslinux <acheam> IMO you need to show both upvotes and downvotes seperately
2021-04-09T02:29:46 #kisslinux <acheam> it just makes it much clearer, and you kind of get the best of both worldsish
2021-04-09T02:30:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >writing a comment takes a lot more effort< This doesn't seem like a bad thing to me; if you're just going to upvote opinions you like and downvote things you don't, you're not really engaging.
2021-04-09T02:33:00 #kisslinux <acheam> okay I get that, but consider the type of comment where the author migh not consider a thoughtful response worth the effort (for whatever reason), but still wants to show disagreement
2021-04-09T02:33:08 #kisslinux <acheam> you don't need to voice your opinion in writing to express it
2021-04-09T02:33:18 #kisslinux <acheam> sometimes that just creates clutter
2021-04-09T02:34:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> That's true
2021-04-09T03:32:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-09T03:51:56 #kisslinux <acheam> hey there testuser_[m]
2021-04-09T12:28:16 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm it looks like tons of people got bounced at 4 am todat
2021-04-09T12:28:20 #kisslinux <acheam> wonder why
2021-04-09T12:28:48 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-04-09T12:28:59 #kisslinux <acheam> s/4am/Midnight UTC/G
2021-04-09T12:28:59 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> wonder why
2021-04-09T12:39:42 #kisslinux <mmatongo> ladies, gentlemen and other pronouns
2021-04-09T12:40:03 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I had a thought
2021-04-09T12:40:23 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Stateless KISS
2021-04-09T12:41:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> explain
2021-04-09T12:42:12 #kisslinux <mmatongo> an immutable system
2021-04-09T12:42:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> nono i get what stateless is, just not sure how a distro can be that
2021-04-09T12:42:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> also its late so that might have something to do with me brain not functioning
2021-04-09T12:42:46 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-04-09T12:42:52 #kisslinux <mmatongo> NixOs
2021-04-09T12:42:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh tru
2021-04-09T12:44:09 #kisslinux <travankor> stateless kiss implemented in sh?
2021-04-09T12:44:10 #kisslinux <mmatongo> so stateless KISS
2021-04-09T12:46:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/
2021-04-09T12:46:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> how difficult would it be to implement a stateless KISS?
2021-04-09T12:46:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what's the benefit to stateless as opposed to just mounting everything read-only?
2021-04-09T12:47:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah what's the benefits
2021-04-09T12:47:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://blog.invisiblethings.org/papers/2015/state_harmful.pdf
2021-04-09T12:52:49 #kisslinux <mmatongo> immutability and reproducibility are the big ones for me
2021-04-09T12:53:43 #kisslinux <travankor> mmatongo: have you seen Guix?
2021-04-09T12:53:51 #kisslinux <mmatongo> the link ominous sent is pretty good
2021-04-09T12:54:06 #kisslinux <mmatongo> yeah i've seen guix
2021-04-09T12:54:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> LOL
2021-04-09T12:55:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ?
2021-04-09T12:56:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> if that was at me testuser_[m], it was just the timing of the leave
2021-04-09T12:56:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Oh
2021-04-09T12:57:23 #kisslinux <mmatongo> sorry
2021-04-09T12:57:36 #kisslinux <mmatongo> glitchy internet
2021-04-09T12:58:31 #kisslinux <mmatongo> an excerpt from the silverblue wwebsite
2021-04-09T12:58:45 #kisslinux <mmatongo> immutable design is intended to make it more stable, less prone to bugs, and easier to test and develop
2021-04-09T12:59:00 #kisslinux <mmatongo> immutable design also makes it an excellent platform for containerized applications as well as container-based software development
2021-04-09T12:59:22 #kisslinux <mmatongo> applications (apps) and containers are kept separate from the host system, improving stability and reliability
2021-04-09T13:04:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: I heard one of freenode's servers had a tantrum earler,
2021-04-09T13:05:15 #kisslinux <acheam> ah thanks kiedtl
2021-04-09T13:48:28 #kisslinux <zhuchj> hello
2021-04-09T13:48:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> hello
2021-04-09T14:02:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-09T14:04:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hello
2021-04-09T14:23:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn the other stuff in gcc sources file seems to be out of date
2021-04-09T14:24:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gmp 6.1.2 -> 6.2.1,
2021-04-09T14:24:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> mpc 1.1.0 -> 1.2.1
2021-04-09T14:25:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> mpfr 4.0.2 -> 4.1.0
2021-04-09T14:26:33 #kisslinux <acheam> why aren't those seperate packages?
2021-04-09T14:27:00 #kisslinux <acheam> (I have no clue what those deps do)
2021-04-09T14:27:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cuz only gcc needs them for build
2021-04-09T14:27:44 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmmm
2021-04-09T14:42:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> AH ty for checking
2021-04-09T14:42:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> gcc requires that they be *in the source tree* when it is built, so having them installed separately does not help
2021-04-09T14:43:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> should probably trigger a gcc rebuild with these updates. womp womp sorry everyone
2021-04-09T14:50:44 #kisslinux <acheam> thats annoying
2021-04-09T14:51:07 #kisslinux <acheam> with this one simple action, dilyn corner is now being tried in federal court for manipulating the power grid
2021-04-09T14:51:25 #kisslinux <acheam> "yeah I knew that pushing this update would cause everyone's computer to use power at an unprecedented rate"
2021-04-09T14:51:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-04-09T14:51:44 #kisslinux <acheam> the prosecution is relentless that this is an intentional international attack on US soveriengty
2021-04-09T14:52:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-09T14:52:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> i just want to show i'm as powerful as a southern super storm
2021-04-09T14:52:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> I too can take down Texas' whole power grid
2021-04-09T14:52:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> fucking bet, nerds
2021-04-09T15:03:59 #kisslinux <acheam> hey sad_plan
2021-04-09T15:04:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hey @acheam :D
2021-04-09T15:05:59 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I have a question, which im sure you can answer. I just enabled 2fa on github, and made the token, as theyve been bugging me about for some time. but.. the token is long as heck, how am I supposed to enter that in the terminal? is there an easier way to authenticate?
2021-04-09T15:06:12 #kisslinux <acheam> authenticate for what?
2021-04-09T15:06:16 #kisslinux <acheam> pushing? Use SSH
2021-04-09T15:06:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> pushing, yes. no https
2021-04-09T15:06:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> or are you implying i cant do that?
2021-04-09T15:06:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't see why not use ssh
2021-04-09T15:07:00 #kisslinux <acheam> *ahem* dilyn
2021-04-09T15:07:07 #kisslinux <acheam> *cough cough*
2021-04-09T15:07:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> why can't you use ssh though?
2021-04-09T15:07:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> is dylin also using https? lol
2021-04-09T15:07:36 #kisslinux <acheam> he was a while ago, idk if he still does
2021-04-09T15:07:59 #kisslinux <sad_plan> havent set it up really. never bothered to set up the damn thing, as Ive never had any use for it so far.
2021-04-09T15:08:00 #kisslinux <sad_plan> i see
2021-04-09T15:08:05 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, it takes 2min
2021-04-09T15:08:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hm
2021-04-09T15:08:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> brb
2021-04-09T15:08:21 #kisslinux <acheam> run `ssh-keygen` then copy it in github
2021-04-09T15:10:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> this laptop is using HTTPS for github because my private SSH key is on my computer
2021-04-09T15:10:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> but my computer is setup for SSH
2021-04-09T15:10:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> sad_plan, you literally copy the whole token into the box
2021-04-09T15:10:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> they love your bits and bytes. give it to em
2021-04-09T15:10:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> just copy the right one XD
2021-04-09T15:11:19 #kisslinux <acheam> just generate a new key for your laptop?
2021-04-09T15:11:24 #kisslinux <acheam> it doens't need to be the same key
2021-04-09T15:11:34 #kisslinux <acheam> in fact, it may be preferable to use different keys
2021-04-09T15:12:13 #kisslinux * acheam has bad SSH secrutiy practices
2021-04-09T15:14:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean it definitely is
2021-04-09T15:14:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm too lazy to enter two commands, open up three menus...
2021-04-09T15:14:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> hitting ctrl+v?! forgetaboutit
2021-04-09T15:31:06 #kisslinux <jslick> I'm lazy too. I have a key I created years ago w/o a passphrase I copy to all of my systems that are on luks. (plz don't hack me)
2021-04-09T15:38:53 #kisslinux <acheam> lol same
2021-04-09T15:38:58 #kisslinux <acheam> except only one of my systems is luks
2021-04-09T15:39:06 #kisslinux <miskatonic> redhat is so totally anti-kiss
2021-04-09T15:39:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I even have it on my phone
2021-04-09T15:39:16 #kisslinux <acheam> (which is encrypted)
2021-04-09T15:39:26 #kisslinux <acheam> miskatonic: indeed it is
2021-04-09T15:41:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> alrirght im back. pesky job, makes me do actuall work at work hours, instead of messing with Kiss all day long at work :p
2021-04-09T15:43:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ok, so lets see if I cant get this ssh going
2021-04-09T15:44:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think that its a coincedence that since starting to use KISS, my productivity has dropped massively
2021-04-09T15:44:22 #kisslinux <acheam> too much stuff to mess with
2021-04-09T15:44:38 #kisslinux <acheam> sad_plan: https://docs.github.com/en/enterprise-server⊙2/github/authenticating-to-github/connecting-to-github-with-ssh
2021-04-09T15:44:48 #kisslinux <sad_plan> lol, same. Ive used som many hours just building, and rebuilding KIss, due to me borking my system, and having to mess up my libs or whatever
2021-04-09T15:44:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice
2021-04-09T15:44:50 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr, better link: https://docs.github.com/en/github/authenticating-to-github/connecting-to-github-with-ssh
2021-04-09T15:45:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kiss, the ultimate productivity distro
2021-04-09T15:45:12 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah thats me but on my arch-kiss hybrid thing
2021-04-09T15:45:13 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-09T15:45:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> you just used kiss in chroot dont you? I seem to recall you mentioning that earlier
2021-04-09T15:45:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Kiedtl: lol
2021-04-09T15:46:10 #kisslinux <acheam> my main OS is arch with some kiss packages installed on it
2021-04-09T15:46:13 #kisslinux <acheam> I spend a lot of time in a chroot
2021-04-09T15:46:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Wait, so you've never used KISS as a pure distro?
2021-04-09T15:46:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aah. but why? I mean, if you really like, why dont you just use kiss stand alone?
2021-04-09T15:46:42 #kisslinux <acheam> not as my main machine, only on other systems
2021-04-09T15:46:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> and run arch in a chroot instead for those packages that wont work on kiss
2021-04-09T15:46:55 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I see
2021-04-09T15:47:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, I thought for a moment you might be a heathen half-breed
2021-04-09T15:47:03 #kisslinux <acheam> I need a few days straight where I can actually make the switch
2021-04-09T15:47:21 #kisslinux <acheam> after virtual school and stuff ends I can do it
2021-04-09T15:47:26 #kisslinux <miskatonic> standalone as opposed to what? Inside a virtual machine?
2021-04-09T15:47:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ah
2021-04-09T15:47:30 #kisslinux <acheam> but for now, I *need* my computer
2021-04-09T15:47:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> miskatonic: as opposed to a chroot I assume
2021-04-09T15:48:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> lads, I've done it
2021-04-09T15:48:23 #kisslinux <acheam> mailing list!?
2021-04-09T15:48:29 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> full static system?
2021-04-09T15:48:32 #kisslinux <acheam> ha
2021-04-09T15:48:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> the email bounced to my @tutanota address and went directly to spam in gmail, but i've done it
2021-04-09T15:48:38 #kisslinux <acheam> M4R10zM0113R: he's not a god
2021-04-09T15:48:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> I already have a fully static system
2021-04-09T15:48:46 #kisslinux <acheam> oh?
2021-04-09T15:48:51 #kisslinux <acheam> chromium?
2021-04-09T15:49:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've fixed the DKIM/DMARC/SPF/DNS/rDNS/MX whopla and opensmtpd now presents a banner announcing who the server is so tutanota won't reject it
2021-04-09T15:49:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> hopefully gmail accepts this next test email
2021-04-09T15:49:12 #kisslinux <acheam> yay!
2021-04-09T15:49:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium I have no bothered iwth yet
2021-04-09T15:49:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o/
2021-04-09T15:49:25 #kisslinux <acheam> have you done firefox?
2021-04-09T15:49:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> also no
2021-04-09T15:50:08 #kisslinux <acheam> so I wouldn't call that a fully static system
2021-04-09T15:50:28 #kisslinux <acheam> because dylan's big thing was that kiss should be able to get you to a web browser inside Xorg with the main repos
2021-04-09T15:50:37 #kisslinux <acheam> and by that definition, it isnt
2021-04-09T15:50:42 #kisslinux <acheam> (although still an amazing feat)
2021-04-09T15:50:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> quick package static lynx
2021-04-09T15:50:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> static w3m
2021-04-09T15:51:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Well, trash the whole system and just have static emacs
2021-04-09T15:51:10 #kisslinux <acheam> also, the git mirror is still behind
2021-04-09T15:51:17 #kisslinux <acheam> repo-community that is
2021-04-09T15:51:20 #kisslinux <acheam> as well as the index
2021-04-09T15:51:50 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I kind of have nothing but emacs running
2021-04-09T15:52:03 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> 2bwm, because emacs sucks as wm yet
2021-04-09T15:52:06 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-09T15:52:15 #kisslinux <acheam> what's your browser?
2021-04-09T15:52:16 #kisslinux <miskatonic> some kissers prefer a lightweight wayland implementation over xorg
2021-04-09T15:52:24 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> between eww and surf
2021-04-09T15:52:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> GMAIL ACCEPTED IT
2021-04-09T15:52:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> WOOHOO
2021-04-09T15:52:31 #kisslinux <acheam> WOOT
2021-04-09T15:52:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> tutanota sent it to spam smh
2021-04-09T15:52:38 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-09T15:52:43 #kisslinux <acheam> whats the subscribe address?
2021-04-09T15:52:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I can check mailbox.org
2021-04-09T15:53:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> now I need to cleanup the archives and implement publishing archives, but it exists and seems to function :v
2021-04-09T15:53:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> sub @ kiss+subscribe⊙mko
2021-04-09T15:53:19 #kisslinux <acheam> As people reply to emails from Tutanota, i'm sure it will become a bit more lenient on it
2021-04-09T15:53:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hey guys i have a question regarding packaging. I'd like to get Nomad packaged, but it requires some separate Go modules: https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad/blob/main/GNUmakefile#L101
2021-04-09T15:53:42 #kisslinux <acheam> would you consider changing the address scheme?
2021-04-09T15:53:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> 40% of gemini mailing list posts go to spam and 20% of libc posts :S i have low hopes
2021-04-09T15:53:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao i knew that would happen
2021-04-09T15:53:53 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe to dev⊙mko and announce⊙mko
2021-04-09T15:53:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kissers sounds weird
2021-04-09T15:54:02 #kisslinux <acheam> too bad, kisser
2021-04-09T15:54:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> the list name can always change this was just a test impl
2021-04-09T15:54:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably dev
2021-04-09T15:54:14 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-09T15:54:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> ominous: what exactly is your question?
2021-04-09T15:55:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think it needs another go module installed separately ?
2021-04-09T15:55:05 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah thats a pain
2021-04-09T15:55:17 #kisslinux <acheam> because the build process shouldn't need the internet, according to Dylan
2021-04-09T15:55:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/think/guess
2021-04-09T15:55:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> when copying the ssh key, does the 'comment' go in aswell? or just the key
2021-04-09T15:55:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/-T8u.txt this is the build error
2021-04-09T15:55:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah that's my dilemma
2021-04-09T15:55:30 #kisslinux <acheam> shouldn't matter sad_plan
2021-04-09T15:55:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah ok
2021-04-09T15:55:41 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, no harm in trying it
2021-04-09T15:55:47 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm sure GH has it figured out either way though
2021-04-09T15:55:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> go packages use internet already, unless it has a `vendor` folder with deps in it
2021-04-09T15:55:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> which it does
2021-04-09T15:55:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> so he can specify that
2021-04-09T15:56:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> how are you building it?
2021-04-09T15:56:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> do `go build -mod=vendor -trimpath`
2021-04-09T15:56:37 #kisslinux <acheam> oh thats nice
2021-04-09T15:57:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> looks like the makefile needs full git repo
2021-04-09T15:57:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> fatal: not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /)
2021-04-09T15:57:04 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: did you see my note from a few days ago about adding more people the server and/or the domain name?
2021-04-09T15:57:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes lol shush
2021-04-09T15:57:31 #kisslinux <acheam> (sorry)
2021-04-09T15:57:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-09T15:57:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/-T81.sh dilyn
2021-04-09T15:57:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> this looks like the trappiest trap
2021-04-09T15:58:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> curl https://0x0.st/-T81.sh | bash
2021-04-09T15:58:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> those steps work manually, but i am struggling with converting it to how kiss package manage builds
2021-04-09T15:58:12 #kisslinux <acheam> argh I was about to make that joke damn it
2021-04-09T15:58:22 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-09T15:58:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah sorry, i just threw it up on 0x0 instead of a pastebin
2021-04-09T15:58:42 #kisslinux <acheam> hey mmatongo
2021-04-09T15:58:47 #kisslinux <acheam> 0x0 is a fine pastebin
2021-04-09T15:58:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ominous_anonymou: that's better IMO
2021-04-09T15:58:52 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-09T15:58:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> can't you use go -bla -foo -bar instead of directly using `make`
2021-04-09T15:58:59 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hey acheam
2021-04-09T15:59:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> don't need to open a browser to see the paste, just curl
2021-04-09T15:59:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hi mmatongo
2021-04-09T15:59:08 #kisslinux <mmatongo> is cedric here?
2021-04-09T15:59:11 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-04-09T15:59:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-04-09T15:59:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mmatongo: see /names
2021-04-09T15:59:18 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi kiedtl
2021-04-09T15:59:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dilyn i guess? i was just following their instructions here: https://www.nomadproject.io/docs/install#from-source
2021-04-09T16:00:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no you dont need the makefile stuff
2021-04-09T16:00:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait
2021-04-09T16:00:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i guess i could just extract what the makefile is doing and do that in the build script?
2021-04-09T16:00:36 #kisslinux <acheam> lol idle for 30+ days... didn't even know that was a thing
2021-04-09T16:00:40 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-09T16:00:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a genuine question becuase I have no idea how `go` works; many projects use `Makefile`s but I've been able to run `go ...` instead
2021-04-09T16:00:56 #kisslinux <acheam> you can still use the makefile for some targets though
2021-04-09T16:01:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> though i think ripgrep has to use make...
2021-04-09T16:01:31 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-09T16:01:33 #kisslinux <acheam> ripgrep is rust
2021-04-09T16:01:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> GAH
2021-04-09T16:01:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> `make bootstrap` just ends up running a bunch of `go install xxx` for its dependencies: https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad/blob/main/GNUmakefile#L101
2021-04-09T16:01:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> then i understand neither
2021-04-09T16:01:47 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> acheam: 30 days, 12h, Thanks to stripped out kernel. I am gonna be sad to see the uptime go at reboot, have to give this thing sound
2021-04-09T16:02:02 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-09T16:02:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I meant the idle time on freenode lol
2021-04-09T16:02:14 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> oh
2021-04-09T16:02:29 #kisslinux * M4R10zM0113R disconnects in shame
2021-04-09T16:02:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-04-09T16:02:33 #kisslinux <acheam> nooo
2021-04-09T16:02:35 #kisslinux <acheam> oop
2021-04-09T16:02:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-09T16:02:44 #kisslinux <acheam> my highest uptime right now is 124 days
2021-04-09T16:02:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i think i have to do the bootstrap steps separately since git-hooks won't have the right directory?
2021-04-09T16:02:54 #kisslinux <acheam> I should look into those "kernel upgrade in place" things
2021-04-09T16:02:57 #kisslinux <acheam> welcome back
2021-04-09T16:03:16 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> thanks
2021-04-09T16:03:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Why would one care so much about their uptime?
2021-04-09T16:03:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=nomad
2021-04-09T16:03:23 #kisslinux <acheam> they shouldn't
2021-04-09T16:03:33 #kisslinux <acheam> super high updates indicate bad system administration and neglect
2021-04-09T16:03:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess you just need `make deps`
2021-04-09T16:03:38 #kisslinux <acheam> s/updates/uptimes
2021-04-09T16:04:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> wait they just export a different gopath lmao
2021-04-09T16:04:38 #kisslinux <acheam> why...
2021-04-09T16:04:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> changed list to dev
2021-04-09T16:04:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: need trailing slash
2021-04-09T16:04:53 #kisslinux <acheam> woot
2021-04-09T16:04:54 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Being able to rely on your computer not locking up after suspend is nice, i2c touchpads are also hell
2021-04-09T16:04:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: s/updates/uptimes/
2021-04-09T16:04:58 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> woot
2021-04-09T16:04:58 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: ah thanks
2021-04-09T16:05:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> welp
2021-04-09T16:05:03 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-09T16:08:09 #kisslinux <acheam> subscribe email sent, lets see where it goes
2021-04-09T16:08:28 #kisslinux <acheam> so now you have the server and all how open would you be to moving from GH pages?
2021-04-09T16:08:43 #kisslinux <acheam> (it would greatly simplify the repo)
2021-04-09T16:09:02 #kisslinux <mmatongo> i need help with texlive, any volunteers?
2021-04-09T16:09:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ominous_anonymou:
2021-04-09T16:09:05 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry I know i've been piling tons of questions and stuff on you recently, dilyn
2021-04-09T16:09:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `mkdir bin; go build -mod=vendor -trimpath -o bin/nomad` thats literally all you need lol, idk why the pkgbuild is so complicated
2021-04-09T16:09:23 #kisslinux <acheam> mmatongo, phoebos[m]: has beeen working on minitex I think
2021-04-09T16:09:34 #kisslinux <acheam> there was also a reddit post recently
2021-04-09T16:09:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> your email bounced acheam :v
2021-04-09T16:09:46 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-09T16:09:48 #kisslinux <acheam> how?
2021-04-09T16:10:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> 550 Invalid recipient: <kiss+subscribe⊙mko>
2021-04-09T16:10:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :(
2021-04-09T16:10:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/mkdir/mkdir -p
2021-04-09T16:10:17 #kisslinux <mmatongo> acheam, i mean actual texlive
2021-04-09T16:10:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I sent it to dev I thought
2021-04-09T16:10:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> smtp-out: Failed to resolve MX for [relay:xxxxxx.yyy,smtp]: Temporary failure in MX lookup
2021-04-09T16:10:23 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah can't help you there
2021-04-09T16:10:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> you did
2021-04-09T16:10:40 #kisslinux <acheam> so....
2021-04-09T16:10:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's dev now @kiedtl
2021-04-09T16:10:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh oh
2021-04-09T16:10:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> testuser_[m] that's instead of the make commands?
2021-04-09T16:10:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-04-09T16:10:58 #kisslinux <acheam> ohh nvm confused kiedtl and dilyn for a sec
2021-04-09T16:11:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just 2 commands
2021-04-09T16:11:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> then just `install -Dm755 bin/nomad "$1/usr/bin/nomad"`
2021-04-09T16:11:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dev+subscribe@?
2021-04-09T16:11:29 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-09T16:11:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> ye
2021-04-09T16:11:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ah
2021-04-09T16:11:37 #kisslinux <acheam> <dev+subscribe⊙mko
2021-04-09T16:11:39 #kisslinux <acheam> no <
2021-04-09T16:12:18 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: https://github.com/OpenSMTPD/OpenSMTPD/issues/798
2021-04-09T16:12:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> handshake succeeded...
2021-04-09T16:12:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> god this package's final binary is 54mb stripped
2021-04-09T16:12:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol i'm watching this in real time :v
2021-04-09T16:12:32 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-09T16:12:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I watched someone install VS Code the other day, and the download was 124 megs!
2021-04-09T16:13:04 #kisslinux <acheam> nobody else thought that was a lto
2021-04-09T16:13:05 #kisslinux <acheam> lot
2021-04-09T16:13:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> arent electron apps just like shipping a new chromium install for every package
2021-04-09T16:14:00 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-09T16:14:10 #kisslinux <acheam> its just chromium minus the ui
2021-04-09T16:14:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> idk why that doesnt bother people
2021-04-09T16:14:24 #kisslinux <acheam> people don't care about their computing
2021-04-09T16:14:32 #kisslinux <acheam> they just use whats presented to them because it just works
2021-04-09T16:14:41 #kisslinux <acheam> I actually gave a talk to a class about digital privacy today though
2021-04-09T16:14:44 #kisslinux <acheam> got a few people interested
2021-04-09T16:14:50 #kisslinux <acheam> helped them install firefox and uBO
2021-04-09T16:15:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-04-09T16:15:34 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I feel comfortable seeing my process list all under a single screenful
2021-04-09T16:15:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> thats great work acheam: getting people interesting in maintaing privacy is a real struggle, as people just dont seem to care
2021-04-09T16:16:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah its pretty sad
2021-04-09T16:16:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: that github issue is funny but my resolv.conf is v valid
2021-04-09T16:16:07 #kisslinux <acheam> M4R10zM0113R: how are you getting it, ps aux?
2021-04-09T16:16:14 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: :(
2021-04-09T16:16:18 #kisslinux <acheam> why can
2021-04-09T16:16:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you get made fun of if you try to convince someone to start caring
2021-04-09T16:16:24 #kisslinux <acheam> 't these issues be easy to debug
2021-04-09T16:16:35 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> acheam: htop, I know, bloated
2021-04-09T16:16:36 #kisslinux <acheam> it took so much effort to get my friend group to stop using an insta DM
2021-04-09T16:16:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> because then life would be ezclap
2021-04-09T16:16:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ominous_anonymou: you'd wanna make a runit service for nomad too, should be easy as `nomad agent -config /etc/nomad.d` in `files/run`
2021-04-09T16:16:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep, gotta get it to build and verify it works first though :)
2021-04-09T16:17:04 #kisslinux * acheam can also fit it onto one screenshot if he turns his laptop sideways and makes the font tiny
2021-04-09T16:17:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-community/tree/main/community/dnscrypt-proxy example for packaging the runit service
2021-04-09T16:17:28 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> imagining everyone using something like tox would be a dream
2021-04-09T16:17:40 #kisslinux <acheam> i need to look into tox more
2021-04-09T16:17:44 #kisslinux <acheam> been hearing lots about it recently
2021-04-09T16:17:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
2021-04-09T16:18:02 #kisslinux <acheam> lol yes
2021-04-09T16:18:07 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> trifa is feature complete, toxic needs some work but otherwise fine, yada yada
2021-04-09T16:18:12 #kisslinux <acheam> no need to even click the link
2021-04-09T16:18:16 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> only thing missing is multi-device
2021-04-09T16:18:24 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I kind of know that url by memory
2021-04-09T16:18:28 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I might be thinking about something else
2021-04-09T16:18:30 #kisslinux <sad_plan> what is this nomad thing that you mentioned?
2021-04-09T16:18:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kubernetes like thingy
2021-04-09T16:18:41 #kisslinux <acheam> I was thinking about the python thing
2021-04-09T16:18:47 #kisslinux <acheam> https://pypi.org/project/tox/
2021-04-09T16:18:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> cool if I try to sub twice it won't let me :v i love this
2021-04-09T16:18:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I dunno what kubernetes is either
2021-04-09T16:18:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nomad is an easy-to-use, flexible, and performant workload orchestrator that can deploy a mix of microservice, batch, containerized, and non-containerized applications. Nomad is easy to operate and scale and has native Consul and Vault integrations.
2021-04-09T16:18:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-04-09T16:19:05 #kisslinux <acheam> sad_plan: kind of like distrubted docker
2021-04-09T16:19:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aah
2021-04-09T16:19:17 #kisslinux <acheam> with a master/slave architecture
2021-04-09T16:20:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> think less complicated kubernetes
2021-04-09T16:20:36 #kisslinux <acheam> that's nice
2021-04-09T16:20:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I tried using Docker swarm a few times
2021-04-09T16:20:51 #kisslinux <acheam> would not reccomend
2021-04-09T16:21:09 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> my dream would be getting an rpi3 running kiss but I'm not that smart
2021-04-09T16:21:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> theres a build for kiss on rpi though, so I dont see why not, or why it would be any different
2021-04-09T16:21:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> should be easy
2021-04-09T16:22:12 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> aarch64, thought it was for something like the pinebook
2021-04-09T16:22:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> jedavies has a repo that might help
2021-04-09T16:24:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: so it might be on *me* for not having libasr but then idk why I'm able to get emails
2021-04-09T16:24:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> or why, presumably, kiedtl has had no problems...?
2021-04-09T16:26:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> oho I just replicated it with my own address :o
2021-04-09T16:31:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ok so let me get this straight, I made an ssh key, added it into github, and now I can glone with ssh instead. is there really any difference to this after that?
2021-04-09T16:31:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it's just literally timing itself out somehow. I just sent a second email and got 2x unsub replies, unsubbed and got an immediate response. I'll try installing libasr in a bit and restarting smtpd to see if that works
2021-04-09T16:31:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-04-09T16:31:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> you have to change your remote origin tho
2021-04-09T16:31:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-04-09T16:31:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> to ssh⊙gc:username/reponame
2021-04-09T16:32:01 #kisslinux <acheam> sad_plan: no
2021-04-09T16:32:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> git remote set-url origin ssh⊙.
2021-04-09T16:32:10 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah, so clone repo, and change repo url
2021-04-09T16:32:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can clone from ssh
2021-04-09T16:32:20 #kisslinux <acheam> or just clone it using the ssh url
2021-04-09T16:32:20 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-09T16:32:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> git clone ssh⊙gc:username/reponame
2021-04-09T16:32:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> changing remote is more for old repos
2021-04-09T16:32:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhm
2021-04-09T16:32:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> that are already cloned
2021-04-09T16:32:44 #kisslinux <konimex> <dilyn> gcc requires that they be *in the source tree* when it is built, so having them installed separately does not help
2021-04-09T16:32:48 #kisslinux <konimex> well no, not really, if you have gmp, mpfr, and mpc installed you can still have gcc installed without needing the source tree
2021-04-09T16:32:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> thats what I thought. lol
2021-04-09T16:33:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> ?
2021-04-09T16:33:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> i thought gcc builds would fail if gmp/mpc/mpfr weren't in gcc-src/
2021-04-09T16:33:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> ?
2021-04-09T16:33:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> either way it's just better to bundle them
2021-04-09T16:33:37 #kisslinux <konimex> as long as gmp, mpfr, and mpc is installed, it won't fail
2021-04-09T16:33:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> looks like arch keeps those 3 deps as system libs
2021-04-09T16:33:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-04-09T16:33:55 #kisslinux <konimex> you can blame me though for merging them into the gcc source tree
2021-04-09T16:34:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its better
2021-04-09T16:34:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: I use Alpine, not KISS, on the Rpi. the lifetime of the SD card would plummet and the CPU would probably melt if I tried to build gcc or the kernel on that thing.
2021-04-09T16:34:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> until some other package needs those libs.. i guess cuz then itll be duplicated, one inside gcc and one shared lib
2021-04-09T16:34:59 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah, my rationale was my own fuck up when I upgraded just mpc without rebuilding gcc (while linking it dynamically), needless to say, it was a painful experience
2021-04-09T16:35:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I doubt it could be done anyways, considering that I only have 512mb
2021-04-09T16:35:20 #kisslinux <konimex> kiedtl: cross compiling is a thing
2021-04-09T16:35:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> konimex: I don't have a machine to cross-compile from >=|
2021-04-09T16:35:41 #kisslinux <konimex> fair enough
2021-04-09T16:35:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I *do* have a school laptop, but I'm not allowed to mess with Linux on it.
2021-04-09T16:36:10 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: lol your emoticon ligaturized
2021-04-09T16:36:20 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/kr1HYnO.png
2021-04-09T16:36:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lmao
2021-04-09T16:36:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> testuser_[m] thanks, i think i got it set up ok now: https://0x0.st/-T8G.sh
2021-04-09T16:36:46 #kisslinux <acheam> woot
2021-04-09T16:36:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> This is why you use Vim conceal hacks to have ligatures, not fancy fonts
2021-04-09T16:36:59 #kisslinux <acheam> but I like my ligatures everywhere
2021-04-09T16:37:08 #kisslinux <acheam> in web browser, GTK UIs, etc
2021-04-09T16:37:18 #kisslinux <acheam> s/browser/pages/g
2021-04-09T16:37:18 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> in web pages, GTK UIs, etc
2021-04-09T16:37:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fair
2021-04-09T16:37:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> shit, this was way better. didnt have to enter my damn username all the time. I was under the impression this was going to more of a hassle. lol
2021-04-09T16:37:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> ssh handshakes are the way
2021-04-09T16:37:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> konimex: i have u 2 thank <3
2021-04-09T16:37:45 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-09T16:38:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeh
2021-04-09T16:38:03 #kisslinux <acheam> use this as an opprotunity to start signing your commits too
2021-04-09T16:38:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> noocsharp: if you read the logs, sub to muh 1137 list
2021-04-09T16:38:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ominous_anonymou: is that objdump stuff still required ? looks like the issue is closed
2021-04-09T16:38:15 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: Am i subscribed yet?
2021-04-09T16:38:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-04-09T16:38:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> let's find out
2021-04-09T16:38:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> the answer is no
2021-04-09T16:39:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm not subscribed either?
2021-04-09T16:39:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> did you get a confirmation email?
2021-04-09T16:39:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> you should've, it looks like
2021-04-09T16:39:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah
2021-04-09T16:39:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I see it now
2021-04-09T16:39:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> well if you had replied to that email then you would've seen my excellent test email
2021-04-09T16:39:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> the subject: Are you subscribed?
2021-04-09T16:39:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> the body: yes.
2021-04-09T16:39:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> but since y'all didn't get it, no.
2021-04-09T16:40:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-09T16:40:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm subscribed now :D
2021-04-09T16:40:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh looks like that issue still exists, so you should install the stub library into '/usr/lib',and also put the go flags on newlines using ``
2021-04-09T16:40:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> this server sends emails so quick
2021-04-09T16:41:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> any test emails i send for the next few days are liable to be deleted and some emails i don't send might accidentally get deleted as well :S apologies in advance, it is going to be volatile for a minute
2021-04-09T16:41:34 #kisslinux <acheam> that's ok
2021-04-09T16:42:10 #kisslinux <acheam> no confirmation email
2021-04-09T16:42:13 #kisslinux <acheam> but it might be in spam
2021-04-09T16:42:25 #kisslinux <acheam> am on phone can't check now
2021-04-09T17:11:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam is the unlucky ellow who just can't get subbed xD
2021-04-09T17:15:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> what is he trying to sub for really? :p
2021-04-09T17:15:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> xd
2021-04-09T17:16:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> obviously their intentions are nefarious and the server realizes this and is attempting to save us
2021-04-09T17:16:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's OK, acheam, I'm ready in
2021-04-09T17:16:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/ready/already/
2021-04-09T17:16:22 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> it's OK, acheam, I'm already in
2021-04-09T17:16:32 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that still doesnt answer my question really :p
2021-04-09T17:16:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> to the mailing list
2021-04-09T17:16:55 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ..did the kissbot change? o.o
2021-04-09T17:17:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> mailing list for what? kiss linux?
2021-04-09T17:17:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, dilyn's setting one up now
2021-04-09T17:17:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or trying to
2021-04-09T17:17:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah! now you can read all of noocsharp's patches without clicking a link
2021-04-09T17:17:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and yes, kissbot got replaced
2021-04-09T17:17:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and maybe my patches will have a chance of being merged now
2021-04-09T17:17:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> ded
2021-04-09T17:17:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> and what would this entale besides the 'this month in KISS' that he posts on the website?
2021-04-09T17:18:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's primarily a place for people to submit patches without doing PRs on GH
2021-04-09T17:18:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> but why did it got replaced? were you not satisfied with how it worked?
2021-04-09T17:18:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I see :p
2021-04-09T17:19:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> sad_plan: kissbot wasn't my code, it was just a sedbot instance. I replaced it with some trash I wrote myself.
2021-04-09T17:20:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aaah
2021-04-09T17:25:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> testuser_[m] one step at a time XD
2021-04-09T17:25:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> thanks for the help!
2021-04-09T17:28:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is there a better option than using LD_PRELOAD?
2021-04-09T17:29:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> If you could make the final binary somehow "link" to the fake library then you won't need that
2021-04-09T17:29:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Maybe it can be done with patchelf
2021-04-09T17:31:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The you won't even need the script
2021-04-09T17:31:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Then
2021-04-09T17:32:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `--add-needed` is the required option i think, lemme try
2021-04-09T17:32:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hm i have zero experience with patchelf, should be fun :)
2021-04-09T17:33:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Same
2021-04-09T17:34:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> patchelf is the most hacky fricken tool lol
2021-04-09T17:35:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah so you just do `patchelf --add-needed fakelib.so bin/nomad` then the fake lib will be loaded by the binary itself so no needfor that hacky script
2021-04-09T17:37:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> does that inject the fakelib into the actual binary? or would i still need to keep it in /usr/lib
2021-04-09T17:38:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It's a shared lib so you'll have to put it in /usr/lib
2021-04-09T17:38:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> This cmd just adds a dependency on that lib
2021-04-09T17:38:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> gotcha, thanks
2021-04-09T17:39:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> question is, does requiring patchelf as a new dependency make more sense than the hacky script :/
2021-04-09T17:40:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hmm
2021-04-09T17:40:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What do you say dilyn
2021-04-09T17:44:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Also change `gcc` to `${CC:-cc}`
2021-04-09T17:47:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh good call
2021-04-09T17:50:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> http://ix.io/2Vwl
2021-04-09T17:52:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You might need to fix shellcheck stuff, im on phone
2021-04-09T17:52:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh i haven't even gotten to shellcheck yet, i wanted to make sure this was possible first :)
2021-04-09T17:56:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Have you submitted any packages before ?
2021-04-09T17:58:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> no, i wasn't planning on submitting it tbh
2021-04-09T18:01:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> what exactly is your hacky script? it might just be doing what patchelf is doing
2021-04-09T18:02:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiedtl: i'm actually not terribly certain how I can apply these patches ho hum cherie
2021-04-09T18:02:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> using git am that is
2021-04-09T18:02:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://ix.io/2Vwl the heredoc at the end of this
2021-04-09T18:03:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> essentially there's some symbols that nomad expects to be available but they aren't, so you can stub out the symbols and use LD_PRELOAD to fake nomad into thinking they're available
2021-04-09T18:04:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> affects musl builds of nomad as seen here: https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad/issues/5535
2021-04-09T18:04:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "Compilation occurs just fine, but the resulting binary contains dynamically loaded non-relocatable symbols"
2021-04-09T18:11:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> so your current strategy is just stubbing the lib and using LD_PRELOAD. adorable
2021-04-09T18:11:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> all patchelf would do is basically no longer require you to specify LD_PRELOAD
2021-04-09T18:11:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but then its a new dependency on patchelf, which i don't have installed
2021-04-09T18:12:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm i don't like that
2021-04-09T18:12:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so the tradeoff is requiring a new package or having that LD_PRELOAD haxx
2021-04-09T18:12:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could install nomad as something not named nomad and include a files/nomad which does it for users, alternatively add a POST_INSTALL
2021-04-09T18:12:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> though since it's required for nomad to work you might as well just include a script
2021-04-09T18:13:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i actually do that first one. install nomad as "nomad-bin", the script gets installed as "nomad", so the user never knows
2021-04-09T18:13:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> *ideally* *ideally* nomad devs would just fix this problem lel
2021-04-09T18:13:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah there you go
2021-04-09T18:13:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> other packages do a similar thing (although it's embedded in the build system - chromium does this)
2021-04-09T18:14:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok cool. i wanted to make sure there wasn't some glaringly obvious "correct" way that i didn't know about
2021-04-09T18:14:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean there's probably a different strategy too involving you do some work at build time but I don't know if I'd call it 'better'
2021-04-09T18:14:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> to be perfectly frank I know more about static libraries than shared ones at this point... hm
2021-04-09T18:16:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance you could just pack the stubbed symbols into the shared library
2021-04-09T18:16:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> uncertain how wise that is, probably not very in general
2021-04-09T18:17:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was wondering if there was a way to shove it into the binary without needing patchelf
2021-04-09T18:19:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's super easy with static libraries becuase they're literally just archived object files
2021-04-09T18:19:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> shared libraries, idk
2021-04-09T18:19:22 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yes, got the confirmation emails!
2021-04-09T18:19:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'd have to do something at the link step to include the file
2021-04-09T18:19:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> nice!
2021-04-09T18:20:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I actually got 2 of them
2021-04-09T18:20:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's a cron job that flushes (I guess I can call it that?) emails every so often if they never went out and there's no errors after it ran
2021-04-09T18:20:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah you had 2 confirmation emails sitting in there lol
2021-04-09T18:20:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> for some reason it dupe'd idk why
2021-04-09T18:20:42 #kisslinux <acheam> can you confirm my subscription
2021-04-09T18:20:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean technically i can just add your name directly to the subs list
2021-04-09T18:20:58 #kisslinux <acheam> oh woot
2021-04-09T18:20:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm in
2021-04-09T18:21:06 #kisslinux <acheam> are you making an announce one as well?
2021-04-09T18:21:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> but yeah it's all automated
2021-04-09T18:21:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I'm gonna announce it once I'm happy with how it all ends up :)
2021-04-09T18:21:25 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-09T18:21:29 #kisslinux <acheam> web interface soon?
2021-04-09T18:21:37 #kisslinux <acheam> s/interface/archive
2021-04-09T18:21:45 #kisslinux <acheam> s/soon/planned
2021-04-09T18:22:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes!
2021-04-09T18:22:11 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-09T18:22:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> that is the most contingent part of it :)
2021-04-09T18:22:16 #kisslinux <acheam> bubger?
2021-04-09T18:22:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/it/the announcement/
2021-04-09T18:22:21 #kisslinux <movzbl> <dilyn> that is the most contingent part of the announcement :)
2021-04-09T18:22:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> budger crawls IMAP server stuff but this is purely just smtp in/out so I don't think budger will work
2021-04-09T18:22:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I see
2021-04-09T18:22:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> but there's an mlmmj-archive web interface project somebody did that i'm looking at
2021-04-09T18:23:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> it isn't pretty and I don't think its searchable tho
2021-04-09T18:23:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> womp womp
2021-04-09T18:23:19 #kisslinux <acheam> https://pypi.org/project/mlmmj_archiver/ ?
2021-04-09T18:24:11 #kisslinux <acheam> searchability is a tough one
2021-04-09T18:24:21 #kisslinux <acheam> it might be best to have search as a seperate thing
2021-04-09T18:24:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> at least smart people are using LD_PRELOAD lol: http://www.goldsborough.me/c/low-level/kernel/2016/08/29/16-48-53-the_-ld_preload-_trick/ https://github.com/goldsborough/tssx
2021-04-09T18:25:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> LD_PRELOAD is a very popular workaround for inept build systems and bad programming...
2021-04-09T18:25:36 #kisslinux <acheam> I use yacy for search, which works well, but its java
2021-04-09T18:25:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: yeah that's the one
2021-04-09T18:26:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> EW
2021-04-09T18:26:15 #kisslinux <acheam> if you can find an alternative, i'm all ears
2021-04-09T18:26:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol fair
2021-04-09T18:26:29 #kisslinux <acheam> actually... there is one maybe
2021-04-09T18:26:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I spent all this work making this server I should really just put up IMAP scaffolding and use it for my own mail tbh
2021-04-09T18:26:44 #kisslinux <acheam> i forget what its called
2021-04-09T18:26:59 #kisslinux <acheam> yes!
2021-04-09T18:27:01 #kisslinux <acheam> no more tutanota
2021-04-09T18:27:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-04-09T18:29:02 #kisslinux <acheam> ah found it
2021-04-09T18:29:05 #kisslinux <acheam> https://sr.ht/~ols/veri/
2021-04-09T18:29:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> problem is i already paid for a whole year of email service! qq my... $13 was half wasted
2021-04-09T18:29:49 #kisslinux <acheam> so did I lol
2021-04-09T18:29:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I still have premium there
2021-04-09T18:30:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't mind supporting them though
2021-04-09T18:30:07 #kisslinux <acheam> they do good stuff
2021-04-09T18:30:10 #kisslinux <acheam> just not for me
2021-04-09T18:30:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure
2021-04-09T18:30:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> their subreddit is borderline cancerous
2021-04-09T18:31:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> of course this search alternative not-in-java is written in go
2021-04-09T18:31:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> what else would it be!
2021-04-09T18:32:39 #kisslinux <acheam> there is also wiby.me
2021-04-09T18:32:59 #kisslinux <acheam> but i'm having trouble finding the source code
2021-04-09T18:34:24 #kisslinux <acheam> oh also https://www.seekquarry.com/
2021-04-09T18:34:28 #kisslinux <acheam> but... php
2021-04-09T18:34:42 #kisslinux <acheam> and high system requirements
2021-04-09T18:34:57 #kisslinux <acheam> idk, yacy works for me
2021-04-09T18:43:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/openwall/blists
2021-04-09T18:43:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> openwall uses this
2021-04-09T18:45:36 #kisslinux <acheam> it'd be funny if it was in their GH org and they didn't use it
2021-04-09T18:46:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dogfooding is for suckers
2021-04-09T18:46:35 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm it doesn't look *great*
2021-04-09T18:46:41 #kisslinux <acheam> but some css could fix that
2021-04-09T18:53:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-04-09T18:54:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> good CSS will cure the web
2021-04-09T19:33:30 #kisslinux <zenomat> Hey everyone. What is it, that I hear about a mailing list?
2021-04-09T19:36:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn's had the misfortune of being one of those trying to setup a mailing list
2021-04-09T19:36:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Please send him your condolences :'(
2021-04-09T19:38:28 #kisslinux <zenomat> Alright then. My condolences to you dilyn. I wish you the best of luck
2021-04-09T19:40:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> we don't need luck where we're goin 8D
2021-04-09T19:40:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> i hate that this emoticon just looks like a chode
2021-04-09T20:15:48 #kisslinux <zenomat> short question, what do you guys use for notifications on kiss?
2021-04-09T20:22:39 #kisslinux <soliwilos> wayherb (wayland).
2021-04-09T20:23:33 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If you use X, maybe look at herbe?
2021-04-09T20:24:04 #kisslinux <zenomat> Yep, I use X. I will take a look at it
2021-04-09T20:25:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://blog.z3bra.org/2014/04/pop-it-up.html
2021-04-09T20:26:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> he shows some ways lemonbar can be used as a notification/popup tool
2021-04-09T20:40:55 #kisslinux <zenomat> I setup herbe now. I finaly have my posturecheck notification back
2021-04-09T20:41:05 #kisslinux <zenomat> I realy need that^^
2021-04-09T20:41:45 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I just wished I knew how to get the '-*-gohufont-medium-*-*--11-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1' names since fc-list doesn't let you
2021-04-09T20:42:09 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> font modelines?
2021-04-09T20:49:45 #kisslinux <zenomat> what did bdfl stand for again?
2021-04-09T20:50:20 #kisslinux <himmalerin> benevolent dictator for life
2021-04-09T20:50:29 #kisslinux <zenomat> ah right. Thank you
2021-04-09T20:51:48 #kisslinux <himmalerin> np
2021-04-09T21:04:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> somebody tried to login to my smtp sever
2021-04-09T21:04:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> why would you do this. I did not implmeent auth
2021-04-09T21:04:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> stop trying to hack me scrubs
2021-04-09T21:07:55 #kisslinux <tink> ominous, thank you for the link, that's something i wanted to try out myself to get notified about time and battery info.
2021-04-09T21:11:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol really
2021-04-09T21:11:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> must be the red hat ninjas! be safe dilym!
2021-04-09T21:15:00 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: uh no auth?
2021-04-09T21:15:09 #kisslinux <acheam> sot they could just... use it?
2021-04-09T21:16:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean there's uath
2021-04-09T21:16:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> auth*
2021-04-09T21:16:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> they'd just have a hard time figuring out... how to get in. and I'm not convinced they would be able to do anything useful
2021-04-09T21:16:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think the only thing that can happen is they spam the list tbh, and I have a semi-good way of preventing those emails in general from showing up
2021-04-09T21:17:29 #kisslinux <zenomat> they get so annoyed that nothing works, that they fix it for you
2021-04-09T21:19:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-04-09T21:19:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> i turned off sshd yesterday and fired it back up earlier today and nobody has tried to connect
2021-04-09T21:19:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think all those attempts were literally just one dude's farm
2021-04-09T21:44:22 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> Hei all
2021-04-09T21:44:42 #kisslinux <zenomat> hey
2021-04-09T21:46:40 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> mmatongo: I've got miktex packaged and working, it's kinda a nicer ui than texlive imo
2021-04-09T21:47:01 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> But I'm gonna give texlive a go soon
2021-04-09T22:03:14 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> Is the mailing list dev+ or kiss+ lol
2021-04-09T22:03:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> congrats dilyn btw
2021-04-09T22:04:54 #kisslinux <acheam> hi phoebos[m]
2021-04-09T22:05:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> dev+
2021-04-09T22:05:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> ty
2021-04-09T22:05:26 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> hei
2021-04-09T22:06:08 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: honeypot 'em
2021-04-09T22:06:31 #kisslinux <acheam> set your ssh port to something else, and send IPS that try to connect to 22 into a loop
2021-04-09T22:06:41 #kisslinux <acheam> or feed them /Dev/urandom
2021-04-09T22:06:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly that's what I want to do
2021-04-09T22:06:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> setting traps would be so much fun
2021-04-09T22:07:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> What I really want is for them to be able to get in but it's just a chroot and every time they enter a command it just says 'no'
2021-04-09T22:08:17 #kisslinux <zenomat> i think endless ssh would be something for you
2021-04-09T22:08:24 #kisslinux <zenomat> https://github.com/skeeto/endlessh
2021-04-09T22:10:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> Is it illegal to be sexually attracted to a piece of software
2021-04-09T22:11:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> damn I'm dumb, I sent to kiss+ soz hang on
2021-04-09T22:17:49 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> nice! damn it's fast
2021-04-09T22:21:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's so friggen quick
2021-04-09T22:21:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I imagine it's because the load on the server is basically nill and the internet latency itself is basically nill
2021-04-09T22:22:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> pinging 1.1.1.1 for instance takes 3ms per packet
2021-04-09T22:22:56 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> wow
2021-04-09T22:23:27 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> where is the server, out of interest
2021-04-09T22:25:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> newark, NK
2021-04-09T22:25:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> NJ*
2021-04-09T22:25:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> hosted by linode
2021-04-09T22:26:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> linode became their own ISP a few years ago so their internet speeds are limited only by their budget lmao
2021-04-09T22:26:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol huh
2021-04-09T22:33:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> old habits die hard. my mode of 'never hit reply-all' will be the death of me
2021-04-09T22:37:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> I should institute some rules
2021-04-09T22:37:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> plaintext only, bottom-posting only,
2021-04-09T22:37:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> gmail b&
2021-04-09T22:40:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >b&
2021-04-09T22:41:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You just lost half of the potential subscribers
2021-04-09T22:41:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, yes, gmail sucks, but banning gmail.com won't help anything...
2021-04-09T22:43:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> it'll help me sleep better at night
2021-04-09T22:43:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-09T22:43:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> > doesn't want github
2021-04-09T22:43:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> > wants gmail
2021-04-09T22:43:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-04-09T22:45:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Wait
2021-04-09T22:45:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> who slandered me
2021-04-09T22:45:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> GH is best
2021-04-09T22:46:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or, at least, equal to email-driven workflow
2021-04-09T22:46:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> there are pros and cons to both
2021-04-09T22:46:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and I do believe that a email-driven workflow would be best for our particular community
2021-04-09T22:47:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but hey, I don't *hate* github, I do like the nice clikky guis
2021-04-09T22:49:15 #kisslinux <acheam> you can have Clicy GUI without proprietary monoculture
2021-04-09T22:49:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> but proprietary monoculture is best culture
2021-04-09T22:50:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why we're here, isn't it?
2021-04-09T22:50:05 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: I think your name servers are incredibly outdated
2021-04-09T22:50:21 #kisslinux <acheam> im getting some messages delivered to my tutanota inbox
2021-04-09T22:50:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> lelwut
2021-04-09T22:50:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm
2021-04-09T22:50:39 #kisslinux <acheam> I haven't for this address in 4 months
2021-04-09T22:50:48 #kisslinux <acheam> actually
2021-04-09T22:50:49 #kisslinux <acheam> wait
2021-04-09T22:50:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I assume I can just change them to something else from the registrar
2021-04-09T22:50:59 #kisslinux <acheam> it might be because you have tutanota
2021-04-09T22:51:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> but also 4 months?? that's like, a time machine
2021-04-09T22:51:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> we've invented a time machine
2021-04-09T22:51:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> github proprietary monoculture is best culture, well, better than any cheap github clone, that is
2021-04-09T22:51:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> gitea is the way
2021-04-09T22:51:37 #kisslinux <acheam> instead of sending it, tutanota is just internally sendingitithink
2021-04-09T22:51:45 #kisslinux <acheam> wtfmyspacebarisntworking
2021-04-09T22:51:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...
2021-04-09T22:51:50 #kisslinux <acheam> notajoke
2021-04-09T22:51:57 #kisslinux <acheam> wait its back
2021-04-09T22:52:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> that shouldn't be true tho because it connects to the server and goes to gmail
2021-04-09T22:52:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-04-09T22:52:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> porkbun super wants me to use cloudflare as a nameserver lol
2021-04-09T22:52:33 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I had water on my screen lol
2021-04-09T22:52:36 #kisslinux <acheam> ew
2021-04-09T22:52:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its my fault though
2021-04-09T22:52:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I must still have my email setup in tutanota
2021-04-09T22:54:47 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: I don't think you reply alled
2021-04-09T22:55:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oops
2021-04-09T22:55:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn transfered their personality over email hmm
2021-04-09T22:55:44 #kisslinux <acheam> banished back to clicky guoland
2021-04-09T22:55:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-09T22:57:16 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a bit of a security risk actually
2021-04-09T22:57:37 #kisslinux <acheam> that tutanota just delivered the message to a domain without any MX records or anything
2021-04-09T22:57:45 #kisslinux <acheam> like
2021-04-09T22:57:49 #kisslinux <acheam> if the domain is sold
2021-04-09T22:58:01 #kisslinux <acheam> the messages will still go to the wrong person
2021-04-09T22:59:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm offended that they give me an 'unable to authenticate this message don't trust it' banner ad and put it in spam but they'll just deliver willy nilly to random servers
2021-04-09T23:00:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> holy shit
2021-04-09T23:00:43 #kisslinux <acheam> switch while you still can
2021-04-09T23:00:53 #kisslinux <acheam> you know email now
2021-04-09T23:00:55 #kisslinux <acheam> just do it
2021-04-09T23:00:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> so people on the Open Letter Against RMS are getting spam and hate messages so people wanted to remove their names from the list
2021-04-09T23:01:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> so the maintainer of the list said no and just locked it
2021-04-09T23:01:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> Somebody started a petition to get them to unblock it this is insanity
2021-04-09T23:01:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'll probably switch if their response to my support request falls on deaf ears :X
2021-04-09T23:14:45 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-09T23:14:56 #kisslinux <acheam> its telling which side is sending the hate
2021-04-09T23:15:52 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> migadu is nice.
2021-04-09T23:18:00 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I've concluded that in the case of RMS, the best bet is to just not care.
2021-04-09T23:22:02 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-04-09T23:22:50 #kisslinux <acheam> I love free software, and stallman is important, but honestly it makes no difference to me whether or not he is in leadership at the FSF
2021-04-09T23:25:32 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Yep. Pretty much.
2021-04-09T23:30:05 #kisslinux <acheam> does anyone have reccomendations for Linux c program ideas beyond a window manager or irc client?
2021-04-09T23:30:19 #kisslinux <acheam> or kiss clone
2021-04-09T23:43:05 #kisslinux <vulpine> how about an email client?
2021-04-09T23:44:45 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm that's a good idea
2021-04-09T23:45:17 #kisslinux <jslick> a panel/bar
2021-04-09T23:45:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm already very happy with my current email system though, I'll have to think about whats missing in it
2021-04-09T23:45:49 #kisslinux <acheam> jslick: I don't use a bar. Although I appreciate the suggestion!
2021-04-09T23:49:06 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> A web browser. That should be fun.
2021-04-09T23:53:42 #kisslinux <acheam> do you want to kill me?
2021-04-09T23:55:43 #kisslinux <merakor2> I love it when a new version of icu is released and it basically breaks everything
2021-04-09T23:56:49 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> acheam: what do you use