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2021-04-04T00:01:48 #kisslinux <acheam> okay
2021-04-04T00:45:54 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i haven't worked on nkiss in like 3 weeks. if you want some C practice, i can push my broken package installation code, and you can try to finish it
2021-04-04T00:47:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i don't think it would be too hard, and i think it would be practice
2021-04-04T00:47:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> s/practice/good practice/
2021-04-04T00:47:35 #kisslinux <kissbot> <noocsharp> i don't think it would be too hard, and i think it would be good practice
2021-04-04T00:49:31 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-04T00:49:45 #kisslinux <acheam> is nkiss yet another kiss written in anohter language?
2021-04-04T00:50:40 #kisslinux <noocsharp> indeed
2021-04-04T00:52:48 #kisslinux <noocsharp> not finished, but closer than when i put a link in this chat in february
2021-04-04T01:08:19 #kisslinux <acheam> link?
2021-04-04T01:11:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://git.nihaljere.xyz/nkiss/log.html
2021-04-04T01:56:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: 'You gotta add yourself to /etc/doas.conf first, dumbass'
2021-04-04T01:56:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> For invalid passcodes: 'You are being naughty this year.'
2021-04-04T01:57:35 #kisslinux <acheam> added
2021-04-04T01:58:01 #kisslinux <acheam> too lazy to implement different lists for different authentication failures, so the first one will go unused unfortunately
2021-04-04T01:58:05 #kisslinux <acheam> despite it being good advice
2021-04-04T01:58:36 #kisslinux * kiedtl cries
2021-04-04T01:58:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> My humor will be unappreciated
2021-04-04T01:58:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Sad.
2021-04-04T02:00:11 #kisslinux <acheam> very
2021-04-04T02:01:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's not usually appreciated anyways
2021-04-04T02:01:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/rh
2021-04-04T02:01:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-04-04T02:02:40 #kisslinux <helby> still u can use something from the first example ...
2021-04-04T02:03:01 #kisslinux <helby> u can always add 'dumbass' at the end of second example :/
2021-04-04T02:03:10 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-04T02:03:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> 'Santa is not amused'
2021-04-04T02:03:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> 'A new shipment of coal is on it's way'
2021-04-04T02:03:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dunno
2021-04-04T02:03:46 #kisslinux <acheam> someone's in a festive mood
2021-04-04T02:03:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm taking too much inspiration from the xkcd
2021-04-04T02:03:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !xkcd sudo
2021-04-04T02:04:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh
2021-04-04T02:04:12 #kisslinux <acheam> this isn't the tildeverse dummy
2021-04-04T02:05:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Nah their IRC doesn't have a !xkcd
2021-04-04T02:05:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> http://www.google.com/url?q=https://xkcd.com/838/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjo7vf8v-PvAhWBEFkFHeF1DsIQFjAAegQICxAB&usg=AOvVaw3jsZEENxHLa8ZuluSjRQtH
2021-04-04T02:05:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fuck
2021-04-04T02:05:22 #kisslinux <acheam> wow lookee here, big fancy guy on *three* netowkrd
2021-04-04T02:05:24 #kisslinux <acheam> networks
2021-04-04T02:05:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://xkcd/838
2021-04-04T02:05:38 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-04T02:05:40 #kisslinux <acheam> .com
2021-04-04T02:05:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lmao whoops
2021-04-04T02:05:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I really need to sleep
2021-04-04T02:05:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> bye
2021-04-04T02:05:57 #kisslinux <acheam> oh this one
2021-04-04T02:06:00 #kisslinux <acheam> theres also the sandwhich one
2021-04-04T02:06:05 #kisslinux <acheam> the sudo guys really like that one
2021-04-04T02:06:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hm?
2021-04-04T02:06:18 #kisslinux <acheam> 149
2021-04-04T02:06:27 #kisslinux <acheam> its why the sudo logo is a sandwhich
2021-04-04T02:06:35 #kisslinux <acheam> its the creator's GH profile pic too
2021-04-04T02:07:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh
2021-04-04T02:07:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Never knew that sudo had a logo
2021-04-04T02:10:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol acheam you only have to patch the site/package-manager.txt
2021-04-04T02:10:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> but also yes I should update that
2021-04-04T02:11:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> any privilege escalation utility similar to sudo/doas/ssu usage should work automagically with kiss (someone wanted please, merakor submitted a patch to simply the usage)
2021-04-04T02:11:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> so now I just need to update it to say... that. lol
2021-04-04T02:11:55 #kisslinux <acheam> oh okay lol
2021-04-04T02:12:13 #kisslinux <acheam> last time I tried contributing you closed my PR and told me my workflow was wrong
2021-04-04T02:12:14 #kisslinux <acheam> so....
2021-04-04T02:12:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-04-04T02:12:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> AH yes
2021-04-04T02:12:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> so you just edit the page in site/*
2021-04-04T02:12:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then do ./make
2021-04-04T02:13:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> it gets copied to docs/ and the html is generated, so you only edit the one file
2021-04-04T02:13:15 #kisslinux <acheam> right but that's two commits then right
2021-04-04T02:13:21 #kisslinux <acheam> s/right//
2021-04-04T02:13:22 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> but that's two commits then right
2021-04-04T02:13:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> *throws up hands*
2021-04-04T02:13:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't want to think about how it would look
2021-04-04T02:13:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's probably fine
2021-04-04T02:13:57 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-04T02:14:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> for PRs you're probably right, for patches it should just be the one file?
2021-04-04T02:14:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk I don't care. Probably too harsh the first time sorry :P
2021-04-04T02:14:31 #kisslinux <acheam> that makes sense
2021-04-04T02:14:32 #kisslinux <acheam> lol its fine
2021-04-04T02:14:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but still: consider changing it
2021-04-04T02:15:02 #kisslinux <acheam> it makes 0 sense to have the generated pages version controlled
2021-04-04T02:15:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-04T02:15:24 #kisslinux <acheam> you could have a GH action ./make it, and then push it to the gh-pages branch
2021-04-04T02:15:34 #kisslinux <acheam> or have it drop it to a web host like srht.site
2021-04-04T02:16:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are many things that could be changed
2021-04-04T02:16:49 #kisslinux <acheam> but very few as important as this
2021-04-04T02:16:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> it #matters
2021-04-04T02:17:40 #kisslinux <acheam> honestly the GH action could probably push to the master branch
2021-04-04T02:17:47 #kisslinux <acheam> just anything to make it a touch more automated
2021-04-04T02:43:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://text.causal.agency/016-using-openbsd.txt that fellow linked earlier is using obsd on the same mac I have!
2021-04-04T02:57:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://text.causal.agency/017-unpasswords.txt this dude is incredible
2021-04-04T03:02:41 #kisslinux <noocsharp> on one hand i want to believe that's satire, but i know it's not because it makes sense
2021-04-04T03:03:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> that passwords across sites are only as good as the password behind the email linked to them is the most astute tautology i've ever seen
2021-04-04T03:05:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> it does check out
2021-04-04T03:08:29 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: they have good software too
2021-04-04T03:08:42 #kisslinux <acheam> and some cool public access unix games
2021-04-04T03:08:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i finally found the illusive `bri`
2021-04-04T03:08:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> didn't realize this person wrote `catgirl`
2021-04-04T03:18:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ive always wanted a vibrator for my terminal
2021-04-04T03:18:40 #kisslinux <acheam> uh
2021-04-04T03:18:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://causal.agency/bin/nudge.html
2021-04-04T03:19:02 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-04T03:23:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> wow, never new that /sys/class/backlight can be used to set brightness directly
2021-04-04T03:23:24 #kisslinux <noocsharp> pretty neat
2021-04-04T03:23:37 #kisslinux <acheam> neat indeed
2021-04-04T03:23:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> i mean it makes sense
2021-04-04T03:23:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> very neat
2021-04-04T03:24:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well thats what i would have expected it to do if i knew it existed, but i didnt!
2021-04-04T03:25:51 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm the terminal vibrator isn't working for me
2021-04-04T03:26:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah you can just echo things to it
2021-04-04T03:26:12 #kisslinux <acheam> shame
2021-04-04T03:26:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's fancy
2021-04-04T03:26:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> everything is a file!
2021-04-04T03:26:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> the best thing ever tbh
2021-04-04T03:26:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> `touch` all the things
2021-04-04T03:26:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I need to learn the /sys filesystem better
2021-04-04T03:26:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> woah woah hey settle down dilyn
2021-04-04T03:27:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's a ton of things in /sys that're super useful
2021-04-04T03:27:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> basically everything you use userspace tools for to modify your system live in there
2021-04-04T03:27:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> so it's aptly named lmao
2021-04-04T03:27:28 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting
2021-04-04T03:27:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think this is why im super curious about plan9/9front
2021-04-04T03:35:37 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: does plan9 do a similar thing?
2021-04-04T03:36:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> another useful example is changing the scheduler used for IO, because you can't actually do it via kernel commandline
2021-04-04T03:36:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, plan9 is "everything is a file" to the extreme
2021-04-04T03:36:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> can be set per block device. v cool
2021-04-04T03:36:55 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: do you have any practical examples of that?
2021-04-04T03:37:11 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: also thanks for reminding me that catgirl exists, playing around with it now
2021-04-04T03:37:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> :D
2021-04-04T03:37:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd use it except gpl
2021-04-04T03:37:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> womp
2021-04-04T03:37:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dilyn: can you give me an example of why you would change the io scheduler? ive never even thought about it
2021-04-04T03:37:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> kyber is a really powerful scheduler over the default
2021-04-04T03:38:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-56-nvme&num=1 phoronix does regular benchmarks
2021-04-04T03:38:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, the plumbing system is a pre big example of that
2021-04-04T03:38:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're not *that* different in general, but it varies by use-case
2021-04-04T03:38:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> interesting
2021-04-04T03:38:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah. a simple reason is throughput
2021-04-04T03:40:19 #kisslinux <noocsharp> good to know its possible if i ever need to
2021-04-04T03:40:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> also pre much everything in the OS is a file via the filesystem protocol including windows and processes
2021-04-04T03:41:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's definitely dependent on your use case. 'none' is usually just a better default tho
2021-04-04T03:45:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've added mention to the install guide to reference @/package-manager because the last section mentions gnugrep
2021-04-04T03:45:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> I hope it appeases the gnugrep fans
2021-04-04T03:46:24 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word
2021-04-04T03:47:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> adding git config --global commit.verbose true was the best tip casual.agency could have ever given me
2021-04-04T03:47:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> no longer must i get diff every file before writing a commit message
2021-04-04T03:47:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> my fingers are saved
2021-04-04T03:47:57 #kisslinux * acheam sets that as well
2021-04-04T03:48:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-04T03:48:27 #kisslinux * acheam tries not to brag about emacs and magit
2021-04-04T03:48:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-04T03:49:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wanna look at emacs
2021-04-04T03:49:05 #kisslinux <acheam> its good stuff
2021-04-04T03:49:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> look but don't touch
2021-04-04T03:49:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> but also i cant move off ed(1) coz its just so comfy
2021-04-04T03:49:22 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-04T03:49:58 #kisslinux <acheam> when you have to specify the man page section when referring to your editor
2021-04-04T03:50:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta be specific
2021-04-04T03:50:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> you have to refer to it BY LAW
2021-04-04T03:50:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> avoid those ambiguities
2021-04-04T03:50:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> or else
2021-04-04T03:50:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> after all, it is *the* text editor
2021-04-04T03:50:41 #kisslinux <acheam> "ed - edit text"
2021-04-04T03:51:09 #kisslinux <acheam> me when I accidentally hit Q instead of q in vim
2021-04-04T03:51:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-04-04T03:51:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> rip
2021-04-04T03:51:35 #kisslinux <acheam> genuinely the first thing I put in a vimrc
2021-04-04T03:51:41 #kisslinux <acheam> its the most annoying keybinding ever
2021-04-04T03:51:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> qq
2021-04-04T03:52:01 #kisslinux <acheam> oh thats my other pet peave
2021-04-04T03:52:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> is Q still hard quit in vim?
2021-04-04T03:52:09 #kisslinux <acheam> when people name their macros q
2021-04-04T03:52:41 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: Q is Ex mode
2021-04-04T03:52:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> ah
2021-04-04T03:54:27 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh dilyn has an official k1sslinux.org email new
2021-04-04T03:54:34 #kisslinux <acheam> s/new/now
2021-04-04T03:54:35 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> ooh dilyn has an official k1sslinux.org email now
2021-04-04T03:54:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> ooo moving up inn the world eh
2021-04-04T03:54:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's basically just an alias
2021-04-04T03:54:57 #kisslinux <acheam> why'd you choose such a long one?
2021-04-04T03:54:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> though tutanota does support letting me set a custom domain, and i could
2021-04-04T03:55:14 #kisslinux <acheam> also, kiss-community should be (C) 2020-2021 not just 2020
2021-04-04T03:55:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> because dilyn.corner is my name @ tutanota lmao
2021-04-04T03:55:17 #kisslinux <acheam> but thats pedantic
2021-04-04T03:55:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's #professional
2021-04-04T03:55:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss' (c) should also change
2021-04-04T03:57:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> are (C) lines even... meaningful?
2021-04-04T03:57:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, unless the copyright file is ever rescinded, the years listed shouldn't matter right
2021-04-04T03:58:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> you can just do 2020- to indicate onwards and current right?
2021-04-04T03:58:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-04-04T03:58:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> that should remove the need to continually update
2021-04-04T03:58:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I usually just do "Copyright $(date +%Y) $(whoami), license"
2021-04-04T03:59:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think the (C) actually counts as a copyright
2021-04-04T03:59:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah
2021-04-04T03:59:29 #kisslinux <acheam> but I've also seen people do "year started, current year, name"
2021-04-04T03:59:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's like, just some symbolic gibberish or something
2021-04-04T03:59:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> I avoid reading copyright law nowadays lmfao
2021-04-04T03:59:39 #kisslinux <acheam> rms explicitly lists out every year
2021-04-04T03:59:55 #kisslinux <acheam> which is intresting
2021-04-04T04:00:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> copyright such bs
2021-04-04T04:00:01 #kisslinux <acheam> hes the only person I've seen do that
2021-04-04T04:00:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> afaik all that matters is that once a copyright license guideline is created, it is in effect until it is legally NOT in effect, which happens only after a set time or when the license itself allows for modifications
2021-04-04T04:01:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe since perl is only required for firefox we treat it like yasm...
2021-04-04T04:01:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then drop it to community
2021-04-04T04:02:28 #kisslinux <helby> or maybe remove whole footer would be pretty good :/
2021-04-04T04:02:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> Dylan had to include the Linux(R) line legally iirc
2021-04-04T04:02:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> he had to get permission to use the name or some bs
2021-04-04T04:03:33 #kisslinux <helby> in that case I would call it 'kernel' :/
2021-04-04T04:03:51 #kisslinux <acheam> KISS Kernel, ah yeah, that does have a great ring to it
2021-04-04T04:03:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> can someone make a linux distro and need to make it known its a linux kernel distro?
2021-04-04T04:04:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS doesn't even ship a kernel, how is it linoox
2021-04-04T04:04:09 #kisslinux <acheam> according to Distrowatch it isn't
2021-04-04T04:04:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-04-04T04:04:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> true
2021-04-04T04:04:19 #kisslinux <acheam> its just classified as "KISS"
2021-04-04T04:04:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS is like Prince
2021-04-04T04:04:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> or Madonna
2021-04-04T04:04:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> the implication that it builds ontop of a linux kernel
2021-04-04T04:04:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> or Herpes
2021-04-04T04:04:42 #kisslinux <acheam> wait what
2021-04-04T04:04:45 #kisslinux <acheam> it says "discontinued"
2021-04-04T04:04:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> WHAT
2021-04-04T04:04:56 #kisslinux <acheam> we should get that fixed up
2021-04-04T04:04:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> my arse
2021-04-04T04:05:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-04-04T04:05:00 #kisslinux <acheam> https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kiss
2021-04-04T04:05:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll fight distrowatch
2021-04-04T04:05:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a garbage site lmao
2021-04-04T04:05:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> punch onnn
2021-04-04T04:05:14 #kisslinux <acheam> and maybe also ask to be put in the Linux catergory?
2021-04-04T04:05:19 #kisslinux <acheam> for discoverability
2021-04-04T04:05:26 #kisslinux <helby> and correct links :/
2021-04-04T04:05:28 #kisslinux <acheam> because there is currently no way to find KISS via the search tools
2021-04-04T04:06:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> sigh
2021-04-04T04:06:10 #kisslinux <helby> find again k1ss linux was not so easy as every fucking link point to inactive domain
2021-04-04T04:06:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I updated the repology links a few weeks ago :v
2021-04-04T04:06:37 #kisslinux <helby> I tought it's dead :/
2021-04-04T04:06:37 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: it looks like you have to send Jesse Smith an email at distro⊙dc
2021-04-04T04:07:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah the switch over to new domains wasn't smooth coz we couldn't snatch up the OG site
2021-04-04T04:07:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> :|
2021-04-04T04:07:21 #kisslinux <travankor> wait so KISS is undead :o
2021-04-04T04:07:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it'll probably be the last thing i do before going to bed
2021-04-04T04:07:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> zombie OS
2021-04-04T04:07:36 #kisslinux <acheam> its really annoying, you can't buy the domain, but is being used for forwarding and stuff
2021-04-04T04:07:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> acheam: new SOTD - zombie - the cranberries
2021-04-04T04:08:09 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: thanks will keep in mind
2021-04-04T04:08:56 #kisslinux <helby> btw. in distrowatch is dead too, as it's 'discontinued'
2021-04-04T04:09:27 #kisslinux <helby> yes, some registrars keeps all domains for shits
2021-04-04T04:10:04 #kisslinux <acheam> helby: yeah (scroll up)
2021-04-04T04:10:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> email sent
2021-04-04T04:10:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> will see what happens
2021-04-04T04:10:35 #kisslinux <acheam> that was quick
2021-04-04T04:10:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I had no idea nothing in repo/ required perl. this is incredible.
2021-04-04T04:10:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm about to go to bed :P
2021-04-04T04:10:52 #kisslinux <acheam> did you include links to the new GH org, and the new website?
2021-04-04T04:10:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's these small things that don't require real decisions I can just bang out haha
2021-04-04T04:10:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I did indeed
2021-04-04T04:11:01 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-04T04:11:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I should go to bed too
2021-04-04T04:11:07 #kisslinux <acheam> (same time zone)
2021-04-04T04:11:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah. got him with the quick-hitter
2021-04-04T04:11:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> EST ftw
2021-04-04T04:11:15 #kisslinux <acheam> that's how we do it
2021-04-04T04:11:23 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't it EDT technically now?
2021-04-04T04:11:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> AEST better
2021-04-04T04:11:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> you say tomato, I say abolish daylight savings
2021-04-04T04:11:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> mood
2021-04-04T04:11:49 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine needing to write 4 characters for your time zone
2021-04-04T04:11:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> we just ended ours here thank fuck
2021-04-04T04:11:56 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine it being morning right now
2021-04-04T04:11:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> messin' with my LOCALE
2021-04-04T04:12:19 #kisslinux <acheam> don't nobody touch my LOCALE
2021-04-04T04:12:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> speaking of time
2021-04-04T04:12:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> in Arch it was always a hassle to update $DATE
2021-04-04T04:12:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> but with KISS i just... `ntpd`, and boom? done?
2021-04-04T04:12:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> ezpz wtf
2021-04-04T04:12:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> muh control
2021-04-04T04:12:54 #kisslinux <acheam> you use ntp?
2021-04-04T04:12:56 #kisslinux <acheam> why?
2021-04-04T04:13:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> to eliminate thinking
2021-04-04T04:13:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> my local time is still set to GMT and i cbf changing it
2021-04-04T04:13:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> I didn't bother setting up tzdata on this laptop lol
2021-04-04T04:13:47 #kisslinux <acheam> i've gotten pretty good at thinking both in GMT and EST
2021-04-04T04:14:04 #kisslinux <acheam> because I have privacy.resistFingerprinting on so all my websites think i'm in GMT
2021-04-04T04:14:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah when you know your TZ its easy
2021-04-04T04:14:32 #kisslinux <acheam> except for fking daylight savings
2021-04-04T04:14:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> studying astrophysics for a year made me hyper aware of GMT and a bunch of other dumb requirements to measure stars
2021-04-04T04:14:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> UT based
2021-04-04T04:15:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah satellite data is all UT
2021-04-04T04:15:06 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: did you include that the architecture info is wrong in your email?
2021-04-04T04:16:05 #kisslinux <acheam> and a link to our screenshot page?
2021-04-04T04:16:20 #kisslinux <acheam> and links for the "user forums" and "alternative user forums"
2021-04-04T04:16:44 #kisslinux <acheam> that was a badly phrased question
2021-04-04T04:16:54 #kisslinux <acheam> just pointing out that those fields exist, and are potentionally incorrect on DW
2021-04-04T04:17:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> how is the architecture wrong. what is this site even .
2021-04-04T04:18:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> is the content auto generated by monkeys and typewriters
2021-04-04T04:18:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> might be
2021-04-04T04:18:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> when they get back to me I'll follow up on those points. Thanks for mentioning them
2021-04-04T04:19:13 #kisslinux <acheam> also, the logo
2021-04-04T04:19:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> muh crooked lips
2021-04-04T04:19:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> bring back the naked lady
2021-04-04T04:19:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm starting a petition
2021-04-04T04:19:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> find the #logo
2021-04-04T04:19:57 #kisslinux <acheam> the funny thing is
2021-04-04T04:20:01 #kisslinux <acheam> the page was last updated in Nov
2021-04-04T04:20:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably to mark it as dead!
2021-04-04T04:20:14 #kisslinux <acheam> when Dylan was still here, and the distro was totally normal
2021-04-04T04:20:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> which is silly considering it had only been a DAY
2021-04-04T04:20:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe dylan killed it
2021-04-04T04:20:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> he emailed Jesse and was like 'bruh i'm outtie'
2021-04-04T04:20:55 #kisslinux <acheam> speaking of which
2021-04-04T04:20:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> so much about the situation is strange
2021-04-04T04:21:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-04-04T04:21:01 #kisslinux <acheam> its sleep time
2021-04-04T04:21:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> ciao
2021-04-04T04:21:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah, i'm out as well
2021-04-04T04:21:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> farewell folks
2021-04-04T04:21:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-04-04T04:21:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> o
2021-04-04T06:17:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-04T13:02:07 #kisslinux <konimex> can anyone on GCC reproduce https://termbin.com/0wij for xfsprogs? thanks
2021-04-04T13:15:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210326#c7396048
2021-04-04T13:15:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> konimex:
2021-04-04T13:20:07 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-04-04T13:21:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-04-04T13:22:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> did you get kiss up and running arhceam
2021-04-04T13:23:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam
2021-04-04T13:23:06 #kisslinux <acheam> not yet
2021-04-04T13:23:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I think the raid controller needs some firmware and kernel stuff that I haven't figured out yet
2021-04-04T13:23:53 #kisslinux <konimex> wait, so how did KISS ever add 5.11.0 if it didn't build on musl without patches? (since I use vanilla KISS here)
2021-04-04T13:24:06 #kisslinux <travankor> acheam: are you installing kiss on a server?
2021-04-04T13:24:17 #kisslinux <acheam> trying to, travankor
2021-04-04T13:24:48 #kisslinux <acheam> "trying to" is the key word
2021-04-04T13:24:57 #kisslinux <travankor> colocating at a datacenter? or hosting at your house?
2021-04-04T13:25:14 #kisslinux <acheam> hosting at my house
2021-04-04T13:27:21 #kisslinux <travankor> That's quite nice. I hope to eventually self-host things as well, depending on time and finances I guess.
2021-04-04T13:28:13 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-04T13:28:40 #kisslinux <acheam> im actually hosting everything on my vps right now, this machine is a bit unused at the moment
2021-04-04T13:29:30 #kisslinux <acheam> it will probably just be a build server so I don't have to bog down my laptop with long builds
2021-04-04T13:29:49 #kisslinux <acheam> (can't wait until I can switch to kiss full time on my laptop)
2021-04-04T13:30:36 #kisslinux <travankor> is this going to complement repo-bin?
2021-04-04T13:30:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I'll probably make the binaries public, but it won't be official
2021-04-04T13:31:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I'll just setup a webserver hosting files from .cache/kiss/bin or smthng
2021-04-04T13:32:16 #kisslinux <acheam> or I could drop them into my cloud hosting
2021-04-04T13:32:24 #kisslinux <acheam> but I won't be making packages for then
2021-04-04T14:18:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilyn: idk if this is desirable, or if it applies to other build files too, but in xfsprogs, for bundling libinih, can't you just use "$PWD/inih" instead of "." for the meson call, and switch all the paths to being absolute/relative to the top-level build dir, and then you can drop the cd+subshell?
2021-04-04T14:19:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> And like for the output dir you'd just change "output" to "inih/output"
2021-04-04T15:40:10 #kisslinux <aarng> I'm currently reinstalling KISS
2021-04-04T15:40:34 #kisslinux <aarng> while trying to build software as a normal user in a chroot, su wont accept my root password
2021-04-04T15:40:40 #kisslinux <aarng> wtf
2021-04-04T15:41:07 #kisslinux <aarng> I set the root password multiple times to make sure. I also deleted the password via `passwd -d`
2021-04-04T16:06:49 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Perhaps your user must be added to the wheel group?
2021-04-04T16:07:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think su works for everyone
2021-04-04T16:07:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Wheel only for doas/sudo
2021-04-04T16:15:54 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, wheel is a sudo thing
2021-04-04T16:16:16 #kisslinux <aarng> no big deal, I build sudo now and it works
2021-04-04T16:16:19 #kisslinux <aarng> still weird though
2021-04-04T16:19:10 #kisslinux <aarng> I need to test this when not in the chroot anymore
2021-04-04T16:22:37 #kisslinux <aarng> wheel group makes no difference, just confirmed
2021-04-04T16:30:34 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that is odd
2021-04-04T16:34:49 #kisslinux <aarng> maybe it's because I su'd to my normal user?
2021-04-04T16:35:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No
2021-04-04T16:35:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> "Nesting" su works fine
2021-04-04T16:36:12 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I would've been very surprised if that was the issue
2021-04-04T16:37:24 #kisslinux <aarng> I know when changing groups, you have to re-login
2021-04-04T16:37:37 #kisslinux <aarng> shouldn't be the case for passwords afaik
2021-04-04T16:37:45 #kisslinux <aarng> and I did a `exec sh -l` too
2021-04-04T16:38:03 #kisslinux <aarng> never started a fresh chroot though
2021-04-04T19:20:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser_: did you try chmod u+s on busybox-suid?
2021-04-04T19:20:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> e5ten: yes that is a thing that can be done for xfsprogs. Much cleaner. I thought xfsprogs 5.11 was building before I pushed it, guess I was building the older version...
2021-04-04T19:20:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> will fix it up
2021-04-04T19:21:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> sorry aarng: not testuser_:
2021-04-04T19:26:08 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn, busybox-suid is already 4755
2021-04-04T19:26:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> weiiiiirrddd
2021-04-04T19:26:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> somebody had an issue earlier where it lost setuid so i figured i'd ask
2021-04-04T19:27:09 #kisslinux <aarng> always better to confirm things like this
2021-04-04T19:28:10 #kisslinux <aarng> done with my re-install, took me longer than I'd like to admit
2021-04-04T19:28:30 #kisslinux <aarng> no swap partition and a fully self-contained kernel
2021-04-04T19:28:49 #kisslinux <aarng> using the internal kernel commandline so I don't even have to mess around with efibootmgr
2021-04-04T19:29:25 #kisslinux <aarng> oh and `mv /boot/vmlinuz /boot/EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi` ofc
2021-04-04T19:30:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> nice nice nice
2021-04-04T19:31:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: you are using a raid controller? That should also be enabled in the kernel... there's a device drivers section relating to raid/multiple drives
2021-04-04T19:35:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> so jesse got back to me and said that because dylan didn't bless the change in leadership and because we have a new upstream location, we can't be considered KISS-proper, and since we don't bundle a kernel with our repositories we aren't a linux distro-proper
2021-04-04T19:58:24 #kisslinux <jslick> On the former, I guess that means kisslinux is about as fake as void linux is
2021-04-04T21:25:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> jesse is of distrowatch?
2021-04-04T21:25:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also, does gentoo bundle the kernel with their repos?
2021-04-04T21:26:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or must users retrieve sources by themself?
2021-04-04T21:28:07 #kisslinux <jslick> gentoo provides gentoo-sources, a package with the linux src. Also, there's a prebuilt kernel option nowadays too I think
2021-04-04T21:30:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> <_< >_>
2021-04-04T21:31:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, we could just add a package that does `make allyesconfig` for the kernel
2021-04-04T21:31:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or steal alpine's kernel config
2021-04-04T21:31:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> But I'm sure being on distrowatch isn't such a pressing issue
2021-04-04T21:39:56 #kisslinux <merakor> Hi
2021-04-04T21:40:03 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: Can you check if this bug applies to kiss as well? https://fossil.carbslinux.org/cpt/tktview?name=da360ec3ef
2021-04-04T21:40:24 #kisslinux <jslick> I'm just annoyed that it's marked as discontinued even though it's not
2021-04-04T21:53:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> i could care less about distrowatch but accuracy would be nice smh
2021-04-04T21:55:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> merakor: what do you mean by 'immediately'? during the version check?
2021-04-04T21:56:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> I pressed ctrl+c while (I think?) it was checking versions but it didn't seem to cause anything to fail, it just didn't exit...
2021-04-04T21:56:42 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah that's what I meant
2021-04-04T21:56:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> coudl be i'm just not being fast enough
2021-04-04T21:57:00 #kisslinux <merakor> It also does not accept ctrl+c after that
2021-04-04T21:57:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'll keep trying lol
2021-04-04T21:57:52 #kisslinux <merakor> Maybe I didn't word it properly on the ticket, the problem is that it doesn't exit, and it doesn't accept ctrl+c after that
2021-04-04T21:58:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> right yeah I think I'm doing it wrong because that doesn't happen
2021-04-04T21:58:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Maybe you could test it on an old tarball?
2021-04-04T21:59:36 #kisslinux <merakor> I pushed a commit that just makes it exit on an interrupt during version check
2021-04-04T22:00:17 #kisslinux <merakor> That's the expected behaviour anyway
2021-04-04T22:00:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm. I'll have to check. the best i can get is having to interrupt twice
2021-04-04T22:00:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> right
2021-04-04T22:01:16 #kisslinux <merakor> Exiting during the read function is always finnicky, that's why we got the { prompt || exit ;} hack in the first place
2021-04-04T22:02:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> loooooooooovveeee iiiiiiiiittttt
2021-04-04T22:02:56 #kisslinux <merakor> It returns 1 when you interrupt it, but some shells don't exit even when `set -e`
2021-04-04T22:03:14 #kisslinux <merakor> I never got to understand how inconsistent that behaviour is