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2021-03-20T00:29:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-NIm.jpg
2021-03-20T00:30:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> wagies absolutely destroyed
2021-03-20T00:30:58 #kisslinux <acheam> "Marty the robot"
2021-03-20T00:31:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I enjoy this image far too much
2021-03-20T00:31:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's going in the collection
2021-03-20T00:32:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, pizza time tonight
2021-03-20T00:32:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> woo
2021-03-20T00:32:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> there was a sale on so I figured I'd get some
2021-03-20T00:35:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's interesting how everybody knows that politicians suck, yet the majority believe them when they talk about the covid 1984 plandemic
2021-03-20T00:36:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "you must give up your liberties, it's for the good of all!!!1"
2021-03-20T00:44:16 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't really want to get into this, but: politicians =/= medical proffesionals. What even are the motivations for a "plandemic"?
2021-03-20T00:45:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> what have I logged into
2021-03-20T00:45:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> not to take a side but friendly reminder that the 1% has become even more 1% during this whole mess
2021-03-20T00:45:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway, pizza acquired
2021-03-20T00:46:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> society refactoring, acceptance of dicatorial measures, destruction of small businesses in favor of big corps, can vaxx all the people
2021-03-20T00:46:23 #kisslinux <acheam> okay, this isn't worth a response
2021-03-20T00:46:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> see https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/corona.html for more
2021-03-20T00:46:35 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: yep its terrible
2021-03-20T00:47:17 #kisslinux <acheam> If you're going to DigDeeper, I think your arguments already dead
2021-03-20T00:47:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> digdeeper has some based takes tho
2021-03-20T00:47:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> use your brain: politicians are corrupt liars, but they recommend harsh covid restrictions
2021-03-20T00:47:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so who paid them for that
2021-03-20T00:48:13 #kisslinux <acheam> I agree that politicians are corrupt liars
2021-03-20T00:48:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> ignoring the economic shit going on during this
2021-03-20T00:48:25 #kisslinux <acheam> but its not just politicians reccomending restrictions
2021-03-20T00:48:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> isolation is a standard human response to illness
2021-03-20T00:48:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it has been for thousands of years
2021-03-20T00:48:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yes, they're teamed up with corrupt academics...
2021-03-20T00:48:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and big pharma
2021-03-20T00:48:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you ever heard of occam's razor
2021-03-20T00:49:28 #kisslinux <acheam> simple > complex, right?
2021-03-20T00:49:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the tl;dr
2021-03-20T00:49:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i did, yeah. it's the answer to all things aka 42
2021-03-20T00:49:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it can also be summarised as "the answer with the fewest assumptions is usually the most likely"
2021-03-20T00:50:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "there are no conspiracies, it's just stupidity. so shut the fuck up."
2021-03-20T00:50:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> occam's razer is a poor epistemic tool
2021-03-20T00:50:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> razer
2021-03-20T00:50:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm not saying it should be relied on
2021-03-20T00:50:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> just that it's something to keep in mind
2021-03-20T00:50:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sorry I'm not a based barista dilyn ;w;
2021-03-20T00:51:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> when you see 180 out of 182 countries worldwide doing the exact same thing, and believe in coincidence or stupidity, you gotta be stupid yourself :)
2021-03-20T00:51:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-20T00:51:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> Everyone built roads. What a fucking sham
2021-03-20T00:51:55 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe 180/182 are doing the same thing because its a global problem??
2021-03-20T00:52:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think it's because most people realize that quarantine is the best defense against an unknown biological adversary
2021-03-20T00:52:17 #kisslinux <acheam> oh no! 182 countries have lightbulbs! Edison bribed the governments
2021-03-20T00:52:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> did they make lockdowns in the swine flu age ? why do they all now ?
2021-03-20T00:52:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> they certainly did
2021-03-20T00:52:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the areas affected by the swine flu, yeah
2021-03-20T00:52:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> my school shutdown for a week and kids were quarantined heavily
2021-03-20T00:52:50 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-03-20T00:53:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> although on the edison thing
2021-03-20T00:53:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> knowing edison he probably did
2021-03-20T00:53:14 #kisslinux <acheam> swine flue also spreads differently
2021-03-20T00:53:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> bruh if the arguemnt was 'china created a biological weapon and attacked the world with it' I'd be more onboard than "the elite 1% wants to keep wage slaves locked in their homes"
2021-03-20T00:53:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i go further and say the fucking virus doesnt even exist
2021-03-20T00:53:44 #kisslinux <acheam> so... how are people dying?
2021-03-20T00:53:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-20T00:53:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck dude I don't even know what that means
2021-03-20T00:54:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> did you see some dying ? or just hearing numbers in the propaganda media ?
2021-03-20T00:54:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-03-20T00:54:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you see the moon landing?
2021-03-20T00:54:16 #kisslinux <acheam> bad example, mid
2021-03-20T00:54:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> right sorry
2021-03-20T00:54:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> nope, and it was a fake too
2021-03-20T00:54:24 #kisslinux <acheam> there we go
2021-03-20T00:54:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Wagging_the_Moondoggie
2021-03-20T00:54:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> unbelievably based takes in this channel
2021-03-20T00:54:55 #kisslinux <acheam> sh4rm4^bnc: yes, there are multiple people in our family's circle who have died
2021-03-20T00:55:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey looky my go patch got merged
2021-03-20T00:55:08 #kisslinux <acheam> nobody I knew well though
2021-03-20T00:55:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> from the vaccination? or from wearing a mask ?
2021-03-20T00:55:16 #kisslinux <acheam> from... covid
2021-03-20T00:55:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> riiiight
2021-03-20T00:55:35 #kisslinux <acheam> what about trump?
2021-03-20T00:55:40 #kisslinux <acheam> why would he fake getting it
2021-03-20T00:55:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> car accidents redeclared as covid deaths to keep the panic alive
2021-03-20T00:55:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, that I have heard of
2021-03-20T00:55:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> because he's part of the system
2021-03-20T00:56:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> where facilities are paid to put down covid as the cause of death where it isn't.
2021-03-20T00:56:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> why not bring up the literal conspiracy that is well documented in NY tho
2021-03-20T00:56:23 #kisslinux <acheam> then why didn't car accidents increase masively?
2021-03-20T00:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something keep it on the down low
2021-03-20T00:56:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, why is it all this mundane unprovable bullshit and not 'Cuomo literally lied'
2021-03-20T00:57:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the WHO even sent a guideline out that says "if somebody dies having any sign of respiratory problems, he gotta be declared as COVID victim"
2021-03-20T00:57:15 #kisslinux <acheam> source?
2021-03-20T00:57:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you know of qanon sh4rm4^bnc
2021-03-20T00:57:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> if so what's your take on that
2021-03-20T00:58:03 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-20T00:58:10 #kisslinux <acheam> sh4rm4^bnc is q confirmed
2021-03-20T00:58:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> we gotta know if it's connected
2021-03-20T00:58:28 #kisslinux <acheam> its all connected my guy
2021-03-20T00:59:05 #kisslinux <E5ten> also even if you provide a source and that WHO thing is true (I could not doubt this more), that obviously nowhere near accounts for the amount of COVID deaths.
2021-03-20T00:59:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> see what I said above
2021-03-20T00:59:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> obviously that's because all the other deaths are fake
2021-03-20T00:59:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking with death records is kind of obvious
2021-03-20T00:59:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> duuuuhhh
2021-03-20T00:59:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wow what did I walk into
2021-03-20T00:59:42 #kisslinux <acheam> bad
2021-03-20T00:59:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> qanon is a trick so those few woke will think "it's habbening" until its too late
2021-03-20T00:59:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-03-20T00:59:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> politicians bad covid fake
2021-03-20T00:59:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> sh4 is based as fsck
2021-03-20T01:00:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> geez, guise, covid is a hoax to undermine dotard drump's presidensy
2021-03-20T01:00:15 #kisslinux <acheam> just imagine the sheer number people needed to be trusted to fake 500 million deaths
2021-03-20T01:00:27 #kisslinux <acheam> its just logistically unfeasable
2021-03-20T01:00:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's all blm's fault!
2021-03-20T01:00:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no, wait, antifa!!
2021-03-20T01:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean that's another pair of... things
2021-03-20T01:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> that exist
2021-03-20T01:00:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-03-20T01:01:06 #kisslinux <acheam> and that sh4rm4^bnc has opinions on surely
2021-03-20T01:01:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-03-20T01:01:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> pls no
2021-03-20T01:01:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> who doesn't have opinions on that shit now
2021-03-20T01:01:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> we should all just eat pizza and chillax
2021-03-20T01:01:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> watch anime reruns
2021-03-20T01:01:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> i wish to know noone's opinion on anything
2021-03-20T01:01:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-03-20T01:01:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> my opinion is that your face is ugly dilyn
2021-03-20T01:01:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> literally why would whoever is supposed to have faked COVID fake COVID? anyone with the kind of institutional power that would be needed to do that can already have literally anthing they want
2021-03-20T01:01:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and dylan was better
2021-03-20T01:01:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:C
2021-03-20T01:01:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-03-20T01:01:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm giving you two out of five stars on yelp
2021-03-20T01:02:02 #kisslinux <acheam> why 2?
2021-03-20T01:02:07 #kisslinux <acheam> 1/5
2021-03-20T01:02:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> 5/7
2021-03-20T01:02:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm perfect
2021-03-20T01:02:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> `In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID-19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as "probable" or "presumed."`
2021-03-20T01:02:21 #kisslinux <acheam> link to the source document?
2021-03-20T01:02:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
2021-03-20T01:02:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> bruh that literally does not say what you said it said
2021-03-20T01:02:39 #kisslinux <acheam> "probable"
2021-03-20T01:02:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> though that's not the document i was looking for
2021-03-20T01:02:46 #kisslinux <acheam> those deaths are tallied separately
2021-03-20T01:02:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> because it doesn't say what you said it said?
2021-03-20T01:02:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> XD
2021-03-20T01:03:11 #kisslinux <dgre> https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/corona.html
2021-03-20T01:03:12 #kisslinux <dgre> le ebin
2021-03-20T01:03:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah, there it is https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf?ua=1
2021-03-20T01:04:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness"...
2021-03-20T01:04:33 #kisslinux <E5ten> the people who control the world (capitalists) already have everyone enslaved through wage labour, alternative being starving, don't need COVID to do that
2021-03-20T01:04:44 #kisslinux <acheam> but also
2021-03-20T01:04:46 #kisslinux <acheam> "
2021-03-20T01:04:48 #kisslinux <acheam> A death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to another disease (e.g. cancer) and should be
2021-03-20T01:04:50 #kisslinux <acheam> counted independently of preexisting conditions that are suspected of triggering a severe course of
2021-03-20T01:05:06 #kisslinux <acheam> this was before we had good and available testing
2021-03-20T01:05:25 #kisslinux <acheam> and other respiratory diseases are fairly easy to identify
2021-03-20T01:05:43 #kisslinux <acheam> so this only applies to a miniscule percentage of deaths
2021-03-20T01:06:06 #kisslinux <acheam> so in this *context* it makes sense to attribute unknown respiratory illness deaths to covid
2021-03-20T01:06:26 #kisslinux <E5ten> by nature of being global, it simply can't be fake on the face of it lol, like for example cuba and the US would never be in on the same conspiracy
2021-03-20T01:06:39 #kisslinux <acheam> hey, in north korea there are 0 cases
2021-03-20T01:06:45 #kisslinux <acheam> you hear me, ZERO
2021-03-20T01:06:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that's what i thought e.g. in regards to venezuela
2021-03-20T01:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> north korea best korea
2021-03-20T01:06:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> as usual
2021-03-20T01:06:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but apparently the WHO payments were too lucrative
2021-03-20T01:07:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing to see here filthy american pigs
2021-03-20T01:07:16 #kisslinux <acheam> why did the US withdraw from the WHO, sh4rm4^bnc?
2021-03-20T01:07:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> based trump had to btfo them
2021-03-20T01:07:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, they're back now aren't they
2021-03-20T01:07:40 #kisslinux <acheam> that's not really an answer
2021-03-20T01:07:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> because of fake president biden!
2021-03-20T01:08:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> who's actually JFK
2021-03-20T01:08:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> lmao if cuba was gonna compromise their ideals and do what the US wanted for money, they would've it decades ago
2021-03-20T01:08:33 #kisslinux <E5ten> the US has made cuba incalculably poorer than it otherwise would be
2021-03-20T01:09:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> ditto for venezuela
2021-03-20T01:11:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=jIYBod0ge3Y
2021-03-20T01:11:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> reminder that mgs2 predicted all the bullshit we deal with today
2021-03-20T01:16:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> heh, on page 8 we read: if the death certificate doesn't mention the person was COVID negative, it should be assumed
2021-03-20T01:16:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and counted as such
2021-03-20T01:17:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dunno how to copy paste the exact text using mupdf
2021-03-20T01:17:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i mean it should be assumed positive
2021-03-20T01:20:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> you need to learn how to read
2021-03-20T01:21:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> it says that if the person was already listed as a COVID death, but in a country where the testing isn't good enough/present to positively confirm the presence of the virus, it should be provisionally recorded as if it was identified
2021-03-20T01:21:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> not for any death that doesn't mention whether or not they had COVID
2021-03-20T01:21:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> 2 completely different things
2021-03-20T01:21:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ... recommended to code COVID-19 "provisionally"....
2021-03-20T01:22:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> my guy
2021-03-20T01:22:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> this ain't it
2021-03-20T01:22:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> where does it say "already listed as covid death" E5ten
2021-03-20T01:22:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> die on a different hill
2021-03-20T01:22:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey let's all watch this 45-ish minute two-part video about the manipulation of the media and the net by powerful figures in order to control discourse and ultimately humanity
2021-03-20T01:22:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then have a sane, reasonable discussion about that and ways to mitigate it
2021-03-20T01:23:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of talking about stuff that we quite frankly know nothing about
2021-03-20T01:23:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> deal?
2021-03-20T01:23:20 #kisslinux <E5ten> buddy, the U07.1 thing that you're talking about says "COVID-19, virus identified", and U07.2 says "COVID-19, virus not identified", in countries where the virus can't be identified, COVID deaths should be listed as the first one, not the second
2021-03-20T01:23:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> exactly
2021-03-20T01:23:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> neither of those 2 means "didn't die from COVID", because that's not a category being discussed on that page at all
2021-03-20T01:23:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that means any death in country X is classified as covid 1984
2021-03-20T01:24:00 #kisslinux <dgre> > ditto for venezuela
2021-03-20T01:24:00 #kisslinux <dgre> rlly? E5ten
2021-03-20T01:24:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> the distinction is between COVID deaths where the diagnosis was based on clinical factors, like symptoms, vs COVID deaths where they diagnosis was based on testing
2021-03-20T01:24:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> dgre: what do you mean?
2021-03-20T01:24:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> welcome to #conspiracy, hellboy2d
2021-03-20T01:24:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> that the US hasn't made venezuela incalculably poorer? or that venezuela would be in on the same conspiracy as the US?
2021-03-20T01:24:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> face the truth, conspiracies do happen
2021-03-20T01:24:50 #kisslinux <dgre> > lmao if cuba was gonna compromise their ideals and do what the US wanted for money, they would've it decades ago
2021-03-20T01:24:50 #kisslinux <dgre> > the US has made cuba incalculably poorer than it otherwise would be
2021-03-20T01:24:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> otherwise the word wouldnt exist
2021-03-20T01:25:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's... not how words work
2021-03-20T01:25:11 #kisslinux <acheam> what
2021-03-20T01:25:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> face the truth, god is real
2021-03-20T01:25:14 #kisslinux <E5ten> sure, conspiracies exist, this one doesn'
2021-03-20T01:25:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> doesn't*
2021-03-20T01:25:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise the world wouldn't exist
2021-03-20T01:25:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> checkmate, atheists
2021-03-20T01:25:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> f he got me
2021-03-20T01:25:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> what say you NOW
2021-03-20T01:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> repent, soyboy
2021-03-20T01:25:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> face the truth, dragons exist
2021-03-20T01:25:54 #kisslinux <E5ten> otherwise the word wouldn't exist
2021-03-20T01:26:03 #kisslinux <dgre> ok from the perspective of Mr. Redditor, its not like conspiracies magically stopped happening you know <_<
2021-03-20T01:26:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> face the truth, I am Dylan.
2021-03-20T01:26:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something square circles
2021-03-20T01:26:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> kiedtl: true, otherwise the name dylan wouldn't exist
2021-03-20T01:26:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> "that's cool and all bruv but can you create something that not even you can destroy?"
2021-03-20T01:26:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so here's my prognosis for the future: unless the sheeple wake up and demand change, covid will go on forever. there will be new strains discovered every couple weeks
2021-03-20T01:26:37 #kisslinux <dgre> > that the US hasn't made venezuela incalculably poorer? or that venezuela would be in on the same conspiracy as the US?
2021-03-20T01:26:37 #kisslinux <dgre> how has the US made venezuela poorer?
2021-03-20T01:26:46 #kisslinux <dgre> > so here's my prognosis for the future: unless the sheeple wake up and demand change, covid will go on forever. there will be new strains discovered every couple weeks
2021-03-20T01:26:46 #kisslinux <dgre> yeah stating the obvious here
2021-03-20T01:26:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_during_the_Venezuelan_crisis#United_States
2021-03-20T01:26:59 #kisslinux <dgre> really guys, read this https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/corona.html
2021-03-20T01:27:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are only afaik two strains
2021-03-20T01:27:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> the "canon" and the britbong strain
2021-03-20T01:27:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> three
2021-03-20T01:27:10 #kisslinux <acheam> three
2021-03-20T01:27:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably five
2021-03-20T01:27:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, is it three now?
2021-03-20T01:27:17 #kisslinux <acheam> the big one, british, south africa
2021-03-20T01:27:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck, the british and the africans
2021-03-20T01:27:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> brazil, washington
2021-03-20T01:27:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> should have guessed
2021-03-20T01:27:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> ruining everything
2021-03-20T01:27:34 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah the brazil one too
2021-03-20T01:27:39 #kisslinux <acheam> never heard of the washington one
2021-03-20T01:27:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> corona virii exist since thousands of years, what's new is that they're instrumentalized to change society on a global scale
2021-03-20T01:27:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, maybe we'll finally die as a species and animals will evolve human intelligence to replace us
2021-03-20T01:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd be fine with that
2021-03-20T01:28:09 #kisslinux <acheam> sh4rm4^bnc: it is highly likely that COVID will continue forever, but there will be good vaccines, just like the flu
2021-03-20T01:28:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> that tehre would be different strains is a consequence of... biological facts...
2021-03-20T01:28:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's just how viruses and evolution work?
2021-03-20T01:28:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lol yeah the VAXX will save you acheam
2021-03-20T01:28:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> sh4rm4^bnc: that's why the official name is in fact not coronavirus, which is just a category of virus, but COVID-19, a new name for this new virus
2021-03-20T01:28:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> So you're an anti-vaxxer too?
2021-03-20T01:28:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> certainly
2021-03-20T01:28:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> suprising
2021-03-20T01:28:44 #kisslinux <dgre> E5ten:
2021-03-20T01:28:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> shockingly, there are multiple viruses that fall under the same categories
2021-03-20T01:28:47 #kisslinux <dgre> > Through April 2019, the U.S. has sanctioned more than 150 companies, vessels and individuals, in addition to revoking visas of 718 individuals associated with Maduro.
2021-03-20T01:28:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> "coronaviruses have existed forever; that's why this pandemic is fake and nobody has died from coronavirus"
2021-03-20T01:28:50 #kisslinux <acheam> you are vaxxed for other diseases, though?
2021-03-20T01:28:56 #kisslinux <acheam> from your childhood?
2021-03-20T01:29:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i dont want untested DNA-modifiying stuff, mercury and nanobots injected
2021-03-20T01:29:04 #kisslinux <dgre> i dont think thats made the country much poorer
2021-03-20T01:29:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> >nanobots
2021-03-20T01:29:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> >mercury
2021-03-20T01:29:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> those two are bullshit
2021-03-20T01:29:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-20T01:29:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> the dna thing is a quart-truth
2021-03-20T01:29:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's RNA afaik
2021-03-20T01:29:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i haven't looked into it closely myself
2021-03-20T01:29:37 #kisslinux <acheam> sh4rm4^bnc: would you take any prescription medicine?
2021-03-20T01:29:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that's what she said
2021-03-20T01:29:43 #kisslinux <acheam> how are those different than a vaccine?
2021-03-20T01:29:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> dgre: are you just an idiot? you think US sanctions don't have massive impact? they prevent and make it harder for venezuela to obtain medicine, food, etc.
2021-03-20T01:29:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think that if you're going to refuse the vaccine for COVID, it should be for the mismanagement surrounding it
2021-03-20T01:29:56 #kisslinux <acheam> why cant those have nanobots and mercury?
2021-03-20T01:29:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they're not injected to begin with
2021-03-20T01:29:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> E5ten: hate to continue the political discourse here, but aren't the sanctions justified due to the totilitarian regime in venuzuela? I'm not history person though
2021-03-20T01:30:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> no
2021-03-20T01:30:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> actually
2021-03-20T01:30:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nevermind
2021-03-20T01:30:15 #kisslinux <dgre> E5ten: those things are still very possible
2021-03-20T01:30:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> the sanctions kill people
2021-03-20T01:30:22 #kisslinux <acheam> sh4rm4^bnc: okay, what about injected medicines beyond vaccines
2021-03-20T01:30:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> they prevent venezuelan people from accessing food and medicine
2021-03-20T01:30:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> i mean
2021-03-20T01:30:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is why we should all reject modernity and grow our own food
2021-03-20T01:30:50 #kisslinux <dgre> why do you think the sanctions happenef
2021-03-20T01:30:51 #kisslinux <acheam> would you stop doctors from putting you on an iv?
2021-03-20T01:31:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i guess morphine and vitamine C are OK, they're tested since 100+ years
2021-03-20T01:31:11 #kisslinux <dgre> the causes for the sanctions have damaged the country much more i would say
2021-03-20T01:31:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> I think the sanctions happened because venezuela is a leftist country and the US literally always attempts to ruin leftists countries
2021-03-20T01:31:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> this has been demonstrated time and time again
2021-03-20T01:31:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> umm leftist?
2021-03-20T01:31:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> hasn't the working principle behind vaccination been known for like a hundred or so years
2021-03-20T01:31:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something smallpox chickenpox
2021-03-20T01:31:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> polio...
2021-03-20T01:31:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> venezuela is nationalist, not leftist
2021-03-20T01:31:45 #kisslinux <acheam> sh4rm4^bnc: but can't the manufactures just put nanobots in them one day?
2021-03-20T01:31:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> sh4rm4^bnc: you don't know what either of those words mean
2021-03-20T01:31:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they dont want a "democracy" imposed on them
2021-03-20T01:32:00 #kisslinux <dgre> lots of mishandling
2021-03-20T01:32:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> "leftist" and "nationalist" can't really be compared dude
2021-03-20T01:32:15 #kisslinux <dgre> there is """"""democracy""""""
2021-03-20T01:32:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can have nationalists in any ideological crowd
2021-03-20T01:32:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> "leftism" and "right-wing" or whatever the kids use these days is a shitty concept
2021-03-20T01:32:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> democracy means mob rule. influence the idiots with TV propaganda, and they do/vote what you want
2021-03-20T01:32:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> venezuela is a democracy, the idea that maduro won the election through fraud is CIA crap, same as what was said about morales in bolivia, which was proven to be false after a coup had already happened
2021-03-20T01:32:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that's why a functioning OSS project needs a BDFL
2021-03-20T01:33:01 #kisslinux <dgre> yeah its just a dimension isnt it
2021-03-20T01:33:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> b-b-b-b-but the USA is freedom guys!
2021-03-20T01:33:11 #kisslinux <dgre> > venezuela is a democracy, the idea that maduro won the election through fraud is CIA crap, same as what was said about morales in bolivia, which was proven to be false after a coup had already happened
2021-03-20T01:33:11 #kisslinux <dgre> CIA crap? are you serious?
2021-03-20T01:33:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> dude are you? do you know what the fuck the CIA has done over the years? literally nothing is off limits for them
2021-03-20T01:33:40 #kisslinux <dgre> then trump losing is also CIA crap <_<
2021-03-20T01:33:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> who fucking knows at this point
2021-03-20T01:33:56 #kisslinux <dgre> dude I live in venezuela
2021-03-20T01:34:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> very cool kiedtl
2021-03-20T01:34:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> big thanks
2021-03-20T01:34:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> #kisslinux-offtopic is open.
2021-03-20T01:34:27 #kisslinux <dgre> true
2021-03-20T01:34:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> welp this channel is dead
2021-03-20T01:35:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'll talk to Dilyn tomorrow(tm) about politics in here, but for now I'd like to keep it ontopic only
2021-03-20T01:35:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was asked about earlier today
2021-03-20T01:35:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> And yeah, I know, I've stoked the fire in here too
2021-03-20T01:36:00 #kisslinux <acheam> wow pulling those mod strings
2021-03-20T01:36:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh?
2021-03-20T01:36:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam was asked about it
2021-03-20T01:36:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "....no rules regarding speech..."
2021-03-20T01:36:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilyn has talked about politics here numerous times
2021-03-20T01:36:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> hot potato hot potato!
2021-03-20T01:36:16 #kisslinux <dgre> <_<
2021-03-20T01:36:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> I have a hard time thinking he'd object to discussion on it here
2021-03-20T01:36:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> your ball now dude
2021-03-20T01:36:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: what was the decision?
2021-03-20T01:37:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> he's offline so I'll relay
2021-03-20T01:37:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> check logs if you think I'm bullshitting you
2021-03-20T01:37:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nah
2021-03-20T01:37:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you're not one to do that, lol
2021-03-20T01:37:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr "go ahead it's mostly offtopic here anyway"
2021-03-20T01:37:28 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210319#c7322701
2021-03-20T01:37:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mhm, okay
2021-03-20T01:37:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fire ahead
2021-03-20T01:37:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait, you are online. I thought you were dilyn
2021-03-20T01:37:48 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-20T01:37:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hehe
2021-03-20T01:37:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> color mammal brain at it again
2021-03-20T01:37:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-20T01:37:52 #kisslinux <acheam> i wish I was dilyn
2021-03-20T01:37:55 #kisslinux * midfavila facepalms
2021-03-20T01:37:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> well whatever
2021-03-20T01:38:16 #kisslinux <acheam> Honestly, as long as on topic discussion isn't obscured by off topic discussion I don't think its bad
2021-03-20T01:38:29 #kisslinux <acheam> although I do see an issue in spreading conspiracy theories and misinformatin
2021-03-20T01:38:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> here we go
2021-03-20T01:38:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't want KISS to be seen as a distro run by lunatics
2021-03-20T01:38:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't that all the more reason to have open discussion though?
2021-03-20T01:39:04 #kisslinux <acheam> which it would, if you just happened to join the channel now
2021-03-20T01:39:05 #kisslinux <E5ten> don't worry it's not run by them, they're just here too ;)
2021-03-20T01:39:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: that's more or less the situation
2021-03-20T01:39:35 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-03-20T01:39:37 #kisslinux <acheam> how about this
2021-03-20T01:39:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> KISS, the distro run by a bunch of r/unixporn alt-right fanatics
2021-03-20T01:39:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so the truth is alt-right now ?
2021-03-20T01:39:57 #kisslinux <acheam> off topic is fine, but at op discretion, the conversation can be asked to be moved to kisslinux-offtopic
2021-03-20T01:40:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off with that shit sh4
2021-03-20T01:40:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't try to play the victim or throw out loaded accusations
2021-03-20T01:40:43 #kisslinux <dgre> ahh you guys
2021-03-20T01:40:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: that's a good compromise.
2021-03-20T01:40:50 #kisslinux <acheam> on that note
2021-03-20T01:40:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> me when the guy who posted a pic of a nazi book is complaining about being labeled as right-wing
2021-03-20T01:40:58 #kisslinux <acheam> this conversation now lives at #kisslinux-offtopic
2021-03-20T01:40:58 #kisslinux <dgre> kiss linux being a mess as always
2021-03-20T01:41:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> should totally make me an op there
2021-03-20T01:41:16 #kisslinux <dgre> i thought gtk3 shilling was the dumbest shit ever
2021-03-20T01:41:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> wink wink
2021-03-20T01:41:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> nudge nudge
2021-03-20T01:41:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> also yeah gtk3 is ass
2021-03-20T01:41:24 #kisslinux <dgre> muh convenience
2021-03-20T01:41:35 #kisslinux <dgre> why do you even do kiss linux if your concern is convenience
2021-03-20T01:41:39 #kisslinux <dgre> go to debian
2021-03-20T01:42:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> tbf kiss is very convenient
2021-03-20T01:42:32 #kisslinux <dgre> i mean yeah
2021-03-20T01:42:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> the conenience is not dealing with upstream's idiocy
2021-03-20T01:42:36 #kisslinux <dgre> i like it a lot
2021-03-20T01:42:54 #kisslinux <dgre> > the conenience is not dealing with upstream's idiocy
2021-03-20T01:42:54 #kisslinux <dgre> well there is no worse upstream idiocy than redhat idiocy
2021-03-20T01:43:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was about to say GNOME but that's basically a red hat project
2021-03-20T01:43:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> so fair enough
2021-03-20T01:43:50 #kisslinux <dgre> and you guys sure do have quite the compromise to avoid redhat stuff at all costs
2021-03-20T01:44:00 #kisslinux <dgre> so it really did strike me as weird by not even supporting gtk2
2021-03-20T01:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtk2 was a holdover for firefox
2021-03-20T01:44:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> technically it's been done for the past ten years
2021-03-20T01:44:21 #kisslinux <dgre> and if gtk2 is "legacy" then at least add motif to the distribution
2021-03-20T01:44:31 #kisslinux <dgre> and motif programs
2021-03-20T01:44:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to package motif go ahead
2021-03-20T01:44:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i package xaw and motif programs
2021-03-20T01:44:39 #kisslinux <dgre> i have packaged motif and xpdf3.14
2021-03-20T01:44:57 #kisslinux <dgre> i can read pdfs gtk free
2021-03-20T01:45:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> so then there's no problem
2021-03-20T01:45:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> mupdf-x11 here
2021-03-20T01:45:23 #kisslinux <dgre> oh i didnt know that was a thing
2021-03-20T01:45:32 #kisslinux <dgre> but arent you on sabotage sh4?
2021-03-20T01:45:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yessir
2021-03-20T01:45:48 #kisslinux <dgre> how does it bode against kiss?
2021-03-20T01:46:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's way more relaxed regarding muh security, more stable, and ships a working kernel config :)
2021-03-20T01:46:29 #kisslinux <dgre> oh kernel config neat
2021-03-20T01:46:40 #kisslinux <dgre> well sounds neat
2021-03-20T01:46:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also gtk+2 all the things
2021-03-20T01:46:54 #kisslinux <dgre> yeah :-)
2021-03-20T01:46:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> the security and stability arguments are kind of crap
2021-03-20T01:47:01 #kisslinux <dgre> might package webbrowser
2021-03-20T01:47:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> considering KISS can be as secure and stable as you want
2021-03-20T01:47:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> webbrowser is packaged in my repo
2021-03-20T01:47:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, a binary is
2021-03-20T01:47:16 #kisslinux <dgre> it works?
2021-03-20T01:47:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-20T01:47:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila
2021-03-20T01:47:25 #kisslinux <dgre> you packaged gtk2 too?
2021-03-20T01:47:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-20T01:47:35 #kisslinux <dgre> nice
2021-03-20T01:47:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> how can a fast-paced distro like e.g. void be stable
2021-03-20T01:47:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> by using stable packages
2021-03-20T01:47:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> 9head
2021-03-20T01:47:48 #kisslinux <dgre> sdf? basado
2021-03-20T01:47:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there's always stuff changing behind your back
2021-03-20T01:48:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah well welcome to the fucking world
2021-03-20T01:48:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's always gonna be shit you don't know about
2021-03-20T01:48:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> example https://codeberg.org/sabotage-linux/sabotage/commit/ac77b701544e2c8a88a4422be2b7e87cf752cded
2021-03-20T01:49:10 #kisslinux <dgre> i wonder where to draw the line for "muh welcome to the world"
2021-03-20T01:50:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> lines are spooks
2021-03-20T01:50:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> read stirner fucker
2021-03-20T01:51:09 #kisslinux <dgre> for example: discord being shitty and being tied to it: "welcome to the world"
2021-03-20T01:51:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> heh
2021-03-20T01:51:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the thing is
2021-03-20T01:51:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> you aren't tied to it
2021-03-20T01:51:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you claim you are, you're a filthy liar
2021-03-20T01:51:45 #kisslinux <dgre> muh network effect midfavila
2021-03-20T01:51:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> network effect is sociological bullshit
2021-03-20T01:52:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> if your "friends" aren't willing to talk to you via email once in a while they're not much of a friend
2021-03-20T01:52:49 #kisslinux <dgre> exactly
2021-03-20T01:53:04 #kisslinux <dgre> but it seems when i abandoned
2021-03-20T01:53:11 #kisslinux <dgre> i went and read message historu
2021-03-20T01:53:55 #kisslinux <dgre> some were actually paranoid to send me an email
2021-03-20T01:54:02 #kisslinux <dgre> i got One email
2021-03-20T01:55:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well email is unencrypted so there's plenty of reason to be paranoid about it
2021-03-20T01:55:47 #kisslinux <dgre> well but these were the same people using discord sh4rm4^bnc
2021-03-20T01:55:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> heh
2021-03-20T01:56:14 #kisslinux <dgre> everything (((for your safety)))
2021-03-20T01:56:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> evil microsoft github, but lets use proprietary discord
2021-03-20T01:57:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> just like evil bill gates, but his vaccination will surely ban covid 1984
2021-03-20T01:58:02 #kisslinux <acheam> sh4rm4^bnc: #kisslinux-offtopic
2021-03-20T01:58:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2021-03-20T02:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> YOU CAN NEVER SILENCE THE TRUTH ACHEAM!!!
2021-03-20T02:02:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what the actual fuck.
2021-03-20T02:03:14 #kisslinux <acheam> wait what message is that about
2021-03-20T02:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh echos
2021-03-20T02:03:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >(((for your safety)))
2021-03-20T02:03:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiedtl really hates LISP
2021-03-20T02:03:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a C only chat
2021-03-20T02:03:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I hate parens, yes
2021-03-20T02:03:36 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-03-20T02:03:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *yawn* leaving you to deal with ground-zero, acheam :P gotta go
2021-03-20T02:03:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> (define (for your safety) (is-joke?))
2021-03-20T02:04:11 #kisslinux <acheam> good night kiedtl
2021-03-20T02:04:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its kind of funny the political/social leanings of the three ops in this channel, compared to those of the active users
2021-03-20T02:05:36 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-20T02:06:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> if chanops are going to start using their privileges more actively in ways that Dylan likely wouldn't be into then the rules should be more clear-cut imo
2021-03-20T02:06:57 #kisslinux <acheam> rules: don't be an ass, grossly off topic conversations go to #kisslinux-offtopic
2021-03-20T02:07:02 #kisslinux <acheam> there
2021-03-20T02:07:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> "don't be an ass" is subjective
2021-03-20T02:07:14 #kisslinux <acheam> intentionally so
2021-03-20T02:07:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a problem.
2021-03-20T02:07:34 #kisslinux <acheam> there are too many edge cases to define that objectively
2021-03-20T02:07:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> so then stop regulating it
2021-03-20T02:08:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> regulating speech
2021-03-20T02:08:04 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm not going to be regulating it
2021-03-20T02:08:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> wrongspeak and wrongthink not tolerated
2021-03-20T02:08:23 #kisslinux <acheam> just go about your conversations with respect to the other people around you
2021-03-20T02:08:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> then we shouldn't need chanops
2021-03-20T02:09:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, I'm trying to think, have I used my chanop powers besides as a joke once
2021-03-20T02:10:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not talking about you in particular, but about the presence of chanops in #kisslinux
2021-03-20T02:10:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well i guess only the BDFL should have ops
2021-03-20T02:10:20 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-20T02:10:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck, just cut myself
2021-03-20T02:10:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> brb
2021-03-20T02:10:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta go deal with this
2021-03-20T02:10:58 #kisslinux <acheam> but who would change the song of the day ;(
2021-03-20T02:11:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> bot
2021-03-20T02:11:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> remove topic moderated
2021-03-20T02:11:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> -t
2021-03-20T02:11:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also add +s for not getting spammers while at it
2021-03-20T02:19:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> suggesting for song of the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc4JbzPqups
2021-03-20T02:26:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> If you want to be brazenly off-topic in such a way that it literally derails the 'active' conversation, relegate yourself to some other channel to not drown it out. Otherwise I see no good reason against people saying bizarre things :v
2021-03-20T02:27:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> but like, if nobody's talking about KISS/asking a question about KISS/concerned about KISS, I guess you can just say shit. I'm not gonna get in the way of conversations
2021-03-20T02:27:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> No matter how wrong anyone might be XD
2021-03-20T02:27:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> "don't be an ass" is a bad rule, because *I* am an ass. sry acheam <3
2021-03-20T02:28:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> wtf I love dilyn now
2021-03-20T02:28:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm only going to be concerned and consider 'intervention' if I miss messages relating to vital things (like yesterday's libressl CVE). I don't want to miss things like that, but I don't see OT discussion getting in my way of parsing messages
2021-03-20T02:29:19 #kisslinux <acheam> lol dilyn
2021-03-20T02:29:21 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah makes sense
2021-03-20T02:29:31 #kisslinux <acheam> what I was trying to say in a much more articulate manner
2021-03-20T02:30:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I got what you meant
2021-03-20T02:30:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean ideally this channel would be strictly on-topic and we wouldn't have a problem, but if we do that then this channel dies when KISS-OT becomes the default idle spot y'know
2021-03-20T02:31:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> we kick the can, so to speak
2021-03-20T02:32:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> re kick
2021-03-20T02:32:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i think what kiedtl did was against the rules
2021-03-20T02:33:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> what did kiedtl do?
2021-03-20T02:33:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> BTFO'd a humble LISP programmer
2021-03-20T02:33:21 #kisslinux <acheam> kicked dgre without a warning
2021-03-20T02:33:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> * kiedtl has kicked dgre from #kisslinux (we don't do that here.)
2021-03-20T02:33:37 #kisslinux <dgre> huehue
2021-03-20T02:33:51 #kisslinux <acheam> over "everything (((for your safety)))"
2021-03-20T02:34:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh sweet baby fucking jesus christ
2021-03-20T02:35:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's interesting how dylan disappeared shortly after the last tantrum https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20201021#c5535947
2021-03-20T02:35:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'shortly' is a stretch description of > 30 days
2021-03-20T02:36:39 #kisslinux <acheam> am I missing something, whats the meaning of "(((xyz)))"
2021-03-20T02:36:40 #kisslinux <dgre> leaving kisslinux because of punctuation
2021-03-20T02:36:44 #kisslinux <dgre> moment
2021-03-20T02:36:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a dogwhistl e
2021-03-20T02:36:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ((())) traditionally is used to imply something is jewish
2021-03-20T02:36:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> let's not fucking discuss dog whistles again eh
2021-03-20T02:37:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I see
2021-03-20T02:37:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no because cem and another guy left kiss protesting the "no speech rules"
2021-03-20T02:37:11 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah lets not do that agagin
2021-03-20T02:37:19 #kisslinux <acheam> cem's been back
2021-03-20T02:37:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you might use (((globalism))) in a discussion if you wanted to imply a vaguely not-good thing about globalism
2021-03-20T02:37:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-03-20T02:37:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> pls no ban I am but a humble meme man
2021-03-20T02:37:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> am good boye
2021-03-20T02:37:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> *eyeroll*
2021-03-20T02:37:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> good goy
2021-03-20T02:37:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know I'm your favorite dilyn
2021-03-20T02:38:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ;p
2021-03-20T02:38:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> the simplest solution to this problem is for people to just NOT do it
2021-03-20T02:38:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oops typo
2021-03-20T02:38:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> god forbid we don't be rude
2021-03-20T02:38:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not a solution
2021-03-20T02:38:42 #kisslinux <dgre> g close to b on keyboard
2021-03-20T02:38:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yep
2021-03-20T02:49:48 #kisslinux <acheam> acheam- will forever haunt my dreams
2021-03-20T02:50:54 #kisslinux <acheam> nvm figured it out
2021-03-20T02:51:16 #kisslinux <acheam> somehow I didn't think to run a whois on it in all this days
2021-03-20T02:52:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> silently lurking
2021-03-20T03:04:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so what about my song of the day suggestion
2021-03-20T03:04:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the windows 95 song
2021-03-20T03:04:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's windows 95... i need a new hard drive ....
2021-03-20T03:05:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh, i didnt use an invidious link like a real chad
2021-03-20T03:09:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I'll look at it tomorrow evening
2021-03-20T03:10:30 #kisslinux <acheam> I already did it for today
2021-03-20T03:12:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> +1
2021-03-20T04:00:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-20T04:00:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice logs
2021-03-20T04:13:55 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-20T05:07:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rust-Hits-Linux-Next
2021-03-20T05:10:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> what can i use instead chroot?
2021-03-20T05:10:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I read about proot
2021-03-20T05:10:48 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But i need talloc.h and i dont know nothing about
2021-03-20T05:26:43 #kisslinux <jslick> there's junest
2021-03-20T06:57:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> nxghtmvrx had a good guide about void chroot?
2021-03-20T07:03:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> talloc.h is from libtalloc
2021-03-20T07:03:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its in the readme
2021-03-20T07:03:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah
2021-03-20T07:04:01 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I get the stram work
2021-03-20T07:04:07 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But is horrible in gentoo
2021-03-20T07:04:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and that guide is https://www.0ink.net/2019/04/10/void-musl-with-glibc.html
2021-03-20T07:04:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Maybe void works well
2021-03-20T07:05:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But that guide is not from a void linux distro?
2021-03-20T07:10:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> idk what other guide was posted
2021-03-20T08:06:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Reading digdeeper. Replacins Stephen Hawking sounds insane but no point to not believe
2021-03-20T08:18:32 #kisslinux <travankor> woah lots of stuff happened in scrollback ^^
2021-03-20T08:18:59 #kisslinux <travankor> meanwhile i'm still playing with fonts lol
2021-03-20T08:32:37 #kisslinux <travankor> i think -offtopic channel is a bad idea
2021-03-20T08:36:18 #kisslinux <travankor> rule: offtopic is ok, but don't be too stupid/racist/whatever
2021-03-20T08:36:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> People who do such talk arent gonna move to that channel beforehand anyways
2021-03-20T08:42:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'd point that everything in kiss is offtopical. Its just that you wish there was "offtopic" so you wouldn't read some of it :p
2021-03-20T09:15:49 #kisslinux <travankor> btw illiliti should totally rewrite king in drew's secret lang
2021-03-20T09:16:06 #kisslinux <travankor> secret lang is basically go but without go runtime
2021-03-20T09:18:18 #kisslinux <travankor> i remember drew had a huge flamewar with zig guy over tabs vs spaces
2021-03-20T09:18:51 #kisslinux <travankor> ... he ended up on the losing side so he makes his competitor lang to zig
2021-03-20T09:21:10 #kisslinux <travankor> s/his/a/
2021-03-20T09:21:11 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> ... he ended up on the losing side so he makes a competitor lang to zig
2021-03-20T09:22:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Sounds cringe "flamewar on tabs and spaces"
2021-03-20T09:22:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Of course spaces as tabs is the only way. There's nothing to discuss
2021-03-20T09:22:59 #kisslinux <travankor> lmao
2021-03-20T09:23:12 #kisslinux <travankor> most people at zig wanted spaces
2021-03-20T09:23:26 #kisslinux <travankor> but drew started trolling and demanded tabs
2021-03-20T09:25:46 #kisslinux <travankor> https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/544
2021-03-20T09:26:53 #kisslinux <travankor> debate might have been on irc, idk
2021-03-20T09:30:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah that's spicy. Funny enough the first message was an answer by itself. Don't see any point of this war
2021-03-20T09:46:43 #kisslinux <travankor> https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=200812&curpostid=200897
2021-03-20T09:46:52 #kisslinux <travankor> linus doesn't like microkernels
2021-03-20T09:54:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its known fact that he had debates with Tenenbaum. Of course he don't
2021-03-20T09:57:03 #kisslinux <travankor> oh yeah, i vaguely remember that
2021-03-20T09:57:24 #kisslinux <travankor> but why is he debating this with "anon2" in 2021 ;)
2021-03-20T09:58:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Because of IBM workstation and Macs had been using Mach forever? Dunno
2021-03-20T12:28:16 #kisslinux <claudia_> aloha.
2021-03-20T12:29:20 #kisslinux <claudia_> Is there an open source alternative client for microsoft teams? haha
2021-03-20T12:29:55 #kisslinux <travankor> dunno, matrix bridge?
2021-03-20T12:31:30 #kisslinux <claudia_> I am prob going to school again, and they use teams they say.
2021-03-20T12:31:39 #kisslinux <travankor> claudia_: https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux
2021-03-20T12:31:43 #kisslinux <travankor> says GPL
2021-03-20T12:32:37 #kisslinux <claudia_> says electron :x
2021-03-20T12:32:39 #kisslinux <claudia_> thx
2021-03-20T12:33:06 #kisslinux <claudia_> I dont want shit to be forced on me :(
2021-03-20T12:33:47 #kisslinux <travankor> i know that feeling
2021-03-20T12:36:48 #kisslinux <claudia_> Why not share papers and presentations in plain text.
2021-03-20T12:37:03 #kisslinux <claudia_> Served on git whatever.
2021-03-20T12:37:34 #kisslinux <claudia_> There you can even have a picture to your profile.
2021-03-20T12:40:10 #kisslinux <travankor> You're preaching to the choir
2021-03-20T12:40:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah isn't that great. Everyone favorite social network- Github
2021-03-20T12:41:22 #kisslinux <travankor> nxghtmvrx: umm, I thought it was Sourcehut :p
2021-03-20T12:41:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> nxghtmvrx
2021-03-20T12:41:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Drew sure socializes to his hear content in the issues
2021-03-20T12:41:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/hear/heart/
2021-03-20T12:41:44 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Drew sure socializes to his heart content in the issues
2021-03-20T12:41:54 #kisslinux <travankor> lol
2021-03-20T12:42:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can you send me some guide about void chroot
2021-03-20T12:42:55 #kisslinux <travankor> >testuser_[m]: and that guide is https://www.0ink.net/2019/04/10/void-musl-with-glibc.html
2021-03-20T12:43:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Man i read
2021-03-20T12:43:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But this is not for just a void musl distro?
2021-03-20T12:44:15 #kisslinux <travankor> Should work with KISS
2021-03-20T12:44:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay
2021-03-20T12:45:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its the same as any other chroot. You deal with X and stuff. All the component are always the same
2021-03-20T12:45:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://wiki.voidlinux.org/index.php?title=Musl_-&diff=11575&oldid=11295
2021-03-20T12:47:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So you just copy resolv.conf, mount chroot to install xhost and proot
2021-03-20T12:48:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/mount/mount,/
2021-03-20T12:48:05 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> So you just copy resolv.conf, mount, chroot to install xhost and proot
2021-03-20T12:53:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> As far as I know hellboy2d already configured his gentoo chroot and compiled all the stuff. There's no point doing additional steps then
2021-03-20T12:54:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> My gentoo chroot works a hell
2021-03-20T12:54:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Steam works only if i redownload everytime
2021-03-20T12:56:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well I know nothing about gentoo. You told that you familiar with it so its easier to configure *shrug*
2021-03-20T13:00:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah i was easy
2021-03-20T13:00:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But i never do chroot this way
2021-03-20T13:00:52 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And compile all again sucks
2021-03-20T13:02:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's why I suggested arch. Anywways your lags exist because you missing something. Probably not using proot and xhost
2021-03-20T13:03:14 #kisslinux <travankor> is there an alternative to proot?
2021-03-20T13:03:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There is multiple
2021-03-20T13:03:46 #kisslinux <travankor> recommended one?
2021-03-20T13:04:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Hadn't tried any as chroot worked for me. Maybe bubblewrap
2021-03-20T13:05:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://github.com/containers/bubblewrap
2021-03-20T13:07:08 #kisslinux <travankor> bubblewrap is for sandboxing
2021-03-20T13:07:19 #kisslinux <travankor> proot is unprivileged chroots
2021-03-20T13:07:25 #kisslinux <travankor> different concept
2021-03-20T13:07:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <hellboy2d "Steam works only if i redownload"> start the dbus service
2021-03-20T13:07:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> from chroot
2021-03-20T13:08:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i had that issue, steam would only launch one time if dbus wasnt started
2021-03-20T13:08:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> also mount /dev/shm in the chroot btw
2021-03-20T13:08:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> According to Void xbps-src they provide support for proot, bwrap, ethereal and some others
2021-03-20T13:09:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Proot is not only unpriveleged chroot. It binds/mounts stuff inside chroot to properly work too
2021-03-20T13:09:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> In that sense bwrap is an alternative
2021-03-20T13:10:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> In the sense of unprivileged chroot I don't think there's any
2021-03-20T13:30:13 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Does anyone know where the default console (not X/Wayland) keymap comes from?
2021-03-20T13:30:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> kernel handles it afaik
2021-03-20T13:31:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> according to the arch wiki tty keymaps are stored in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps
2021-03-20T13:31:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Linux_console/Keyboard_configuration
2021-03-20T13:31:54 #kisslinux <soliwilos> That was my thinking, but only a guess.
2021-03-20T13:32:53 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I haven't got kbd Installed so I haven't got those files.
2021-03-20T13:34:02 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Was curios if it could be possible to patch something into the kernel.
2021-03-20T13:34:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-03-20T13:34:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk
2021-03-20T13:34:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've never written a kernel patch before
2021-03-20T13:34:35 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Or to whatever sets the default.
2021-03-20T13:36:16 #kisslinux <soliwilos> A different route than installing kbd and using loadkeys, which is the normal thing to do.
2021-03-20T13:36:26 #kisslinux <soliwilos> :p
2021-03-20T13:37:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I'd look in menuconfig before trying to patch the kernel
2021-03-20T13:37:09 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-20T13:37:49 #kisslinux <midfavila>
2021-03-20T13:37:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow nice you can send empty messages
2021-03-20T13:37:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> v cool
2021-03-20T13:38:01 #kisslinux <soliwilos> After someone mentioned halmak, and looking into it I was tempted to try it.
2021-03-20T13:38:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Any experiences with user-mode linux? I wonder if its suitable for such cases like running glibc system inside musl host
2021-03-20T13:38:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oooh dude its awesome
2021-03-20T13:38:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Gl with halmak
2021-03-20T13:39:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'm trying to finish my keyboard-related guide rn including some stuff on layouts and etc. To hopefully help others to switch and stuff
2021-03-20T13:40:17 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I've already got a patch for xkeyboard-config and have it working in hikari.
2021-03-20T13:41:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> In kiss you don't need to install kbd afaik. I'm just using loadkeys with compiled dvorak keymap
2021-03-20T13:41:30 #kisslinux <travankor> nice
2021-03-20T13:41:53 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I also modified a kmap file for console use, but haven't tested it.
2021-03-20T13:42:36 #kisslinux <travankor> but why do you need console use?
2021-03-20T13:43:23 #kisslinux <travankor> btw what's the xkeyboard patch?
2021-03-20T13:43:53 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Consistency and my laptop boots to console, though I could change that.
2021-03-20T13:45:44 #kisslinux * travankor wonders how Halmak compares tomtgap layout
2021-03-20T13:45:55 #kisslinux <soliwilos> patch: http://ix.io/2Tx6
2021-03-20T13:46:05 #kisslinux <travankor> thx
2021-03-20T13:46:09 #kisslinux <travankor> s/tomtgap/to mtgap/
2021-03-20T13:47:21 #kisslinux <travankor> i remember doing a some research into layouts few years ago but I couldn't decide on one :p
2021-03-20T13:49:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What's there even to compare halmak vs mtgap? Mtgap serves completely different purpose rather than separate left and right side of keyboard for efficient homerow use
2021-03-20T13:50:02 #kisslinux <travankor> interesting, i don't remember the differences
2021-03-20T13:53:54 #kisslinux <travankor> the only thing that scares me is modal keybindings completely change
2021-03-20T13:54:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's the thing why I love dvorak
2021-03-20T13:55:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I don't want left corner to be zxcv and etc
2021-03-20T13:56:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its easier for me to use left pinky to press ctrl and almost every keybind I use on the right hand
2021-03-20T13:56:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> And halmak expands on that unlike almost every other layout
2021-03-20T13:56:44 #kisslinux <travankor> wait u using halmak
2021-03-20T13:56:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> No. Dvorak
2021-03-20T13:57:01 #kisslinux <travankor> k
2021-03-20T13:57:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But I consider halmak as dvorak evolution on ideas and etc because it really is
2021-03-20T13:58:03 #kisslinux <travankor> oh, ok
2021-03-20T13:58:25 #kisslinux <travankor> nxghtmvrx: and emacs keybindings?
2021-03-20T14:00:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I use simple editor(kilo and micro) with keybinds like ctrl-s, ctrl-q, ctrl-f and so on. Some keybinds using alt keys instead of ctrl but same thing
2021-03-20T14:01:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Quote on mtgap: "It is a roll-heavy layout with a good amount of alternation" which is the opposite of halmak/dvorak: no roll and no alteration(homerow)
2021-03-20T14:02:24 #kisslinux <travankor> ah, i see different philosophy
2021-03-20T14:04:35 #kisslinux <travankor> wait, dvorak does use alternation
2021-03-20T14:04:53 #kisslinux <travankor> "Letters should be typed by alternating between hands"
2021-03-20T14:05:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You may try but not me :p
2021-03-20T14:05:27 #kisslinux <travankor> straight from wiki page
2021-03-20T14:05:47 #kisslinux <travankor> "On a Dvorak keyboard, vowels and the most used symbol characters are on the left (with the vowels on the home row), while the most used consonants are on the right."
2021-03-20T14:06:50 #kisslinux <travankor> so the main difference is digraph and trigraph (rolls)
2021-03-20T14:08:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ah wait. You are right. I thought of switching hands instead of alteration somehow which is why I thought that this is anti-feature because it slows down typing speed
2021-03-20T14:09:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/alteration/alternation/
2021-03-20T14:09:12 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Ah wait. You are right. I thought of switching hands instead of alternation somehow which is why I thought that this is anti-feature because it slows down typing speed
2021-03-20T14:11:30 #kisslinux <travankor> soliwilos: did you have to relearn vim keybindings?
2021-03-20T14:12:04 #kisslinux <travankor> or what editors do you use?
2021-03-20T14:12:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> also you could just change them to stay in the same place
2021-03-20T14:12:53 #kisslinux <travankor> no, modal editing uses the entire keyboard :p
2021-03-20T14:13:44 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I've just used it for a bit more than a day, so still getting used to this. but I do use vim and haven't changed it so far.
2021-03-20T14:15:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I was reading about some folks changing things in vim for dvorak use. Def not personal experiences but still some ppl do it
2021-03-20T14:15:09 #kisslinux <travankor> hjkl is probably the most disruptive change
2021-03-20T14:15:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah results of switching layout will be after two weaks at least if practiced every day
2021-03-20T14:16:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> From my experience at least- and I practiced a lot.
2021-03-20T14:18:58 #kisslinux <acheam> there are keymaps that keep the vim keys in the same place for other layouts
2021-03-20T14:19:28 #kisslinux <acheam> so you use Dvorak still, but "hjkl" is remapped to whatever the equivalent is on dvorak
2021-03-20T14:20:35 #kisslinux <travankor> that's what I'm researching now 😆
2021-03-20T14:21:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I don't use vim but yeah. Exact position of hjkl for me is dhtn or if using properly and moving one key to the left for homerow then htns
2021-03-20T14:22:29 #kisslinux <travankor> I would just learn emacs-bindings since it's technically emacs evil-mode, but I never found a lightweight emacs-like with UTF-8 support
2021-03-20T14:23:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> See keymaps for yourself and decide https://paulguerin.medium.com/the-search-for-the-worlds-best-keyboard-layout-98d61b33b8e1
2021-03-20T14:23:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Here's some pros and cons https://www.slant.co/topics/512/~best-keyboard-layouts-for-programming
2021-03-20T14:23:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I ever were to switch I'd probably just use Workman-P
2021-03-20T14:24:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You could try row swaps for qwerty such as qwdfgy
2021-03-20T14:24:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...actually, that's a really great idea
2021-03-20T14:24:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> learning one row of a new layout at a time as opposed to diving in head-first, I mean
2021-03-20T14:25:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> No changes to the bottom row on qwdfgy too
2021-03-20T14:26:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But I wouldn't do it personally as it does not introduces new ideas as other layouts so you won't really see much of the differences
2021-03-20T14:36:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also there are 8 carpalx layouts optimized for different things
2021-03-20T14:41:23 #kisslinux <travankor> i like how everyone agrees qwerty is the worst, but there are 10+ optimized layouts to choose
2021-03-20T14:43:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Isn't that the exact reason why? Don't see a problem with it
2021-03-20T14:43:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something "we need to create a new standard"
2021-03-20T14:44:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something xkcd
2021-03-20T14:44:57 #kisslinux <travankor> this, exactly
2021-03-20T14:45:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> ultimately I don't think having too many options is a bad thing in this case
2021-03-20T14:45:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not like, say, SSL libraries
2021-03-20T14:45:29 #kisslinux <travankor> sure
2021-03-20T14:45:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> where having the Wrong Choice:tm: locks you out of a ton of shit
2021-03-20T14:46:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But what else can you do if not throw away stuff you have problems with and think about something different tho
2021-03-20T14:46:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Sure in the sense of standards that may be a problem for compatibility but not variety of keyboard layouts. Everything can be used on the same keyboard and etc
2021-03-20T14:48:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> so, totally unrelated to keebs, but...
2021-03-20T14:48:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> reading some K&R, doing the exercises, and it occurs to me
2021-03-20T14:48:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> aren't while and for loops just fancy if-then-else?
2021-03-20T14:49:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> if they are, why bother implementing the extra control flow? convenience?
2021-03-20T14:51:25 #kisslinux <acheam> well you have to loop the if-then for it to be a while loop
2021-03-20T14:51:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Depends on what you mean by "fancy". Some things run nonstop unless can't satisfy condition while others run by "cycles" in the sense if you satisfy the condition its done once
2021-03-20T14:52:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, say I want to execute a while-whatever loop. That's basically an if-true statement with extra steps
2021-03-20T14:53:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe C is bloat. hmm
2021-03-20T14:53:17 #kisslinux <acheam> but then it goes back to if-true at the end, unlike a pure if-then-else
2021-03-20T14:54:12 #kisslinux <acheam> pseudo code: 'while true { print "hi"; }' is different than 'if true { print "hi"; }'
2021-03-20T14:54:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, obviously. but my point is that you can execute loops just with if and goto
2021-03-20T14:55:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know that a lot of people lose their minds the second they see a goto but...
2021-03-20T14:55:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think it's kind of unwarranted..?
2021-03-20T14:55:23 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah goto is generally discouraged
2021-03-20T14:55:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> like there's nothing intrinsically wrong with goto
2021-03-20T14:55:34 #kisslinux <acheam> makes it really hard to follow where the program is going
2021-03-20T14:55:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> >"C is bloat" In liberation circuit there's nothing but ints for example. Also no functions-not even main. So every data type is global and some other changes
2021-03-20T14:56:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> now, don't get me wrong, I've read programs where goto is abused horribly
2021-03-20T14:56:08 #kisslinux <acheam> but if you want to write all your for loops as if-statements with goto at the end of them, be my guest
2021-03-20T14:56:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I will
2021-03-20T14:56:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you know what else? I'll write all my programs in all-caps
2021-03-20T14:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> in BASIC
2021-03-20T14:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> suck it, cniles
2021-03-20T14:58:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I really should have taken those CS classes in high school
2021-03-20T14:59:16 #kisslinux <acheam> they don't teach you shit
2021-03-20T14:59:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least the one week of python would have been useful
2021-03-20T14:59:19 #kisslinux <acheam> at least mine dont
2021-03-20T14:59:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, trust me, I know that they're awful
2021-03-20T14:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i bitched to the schoolboard and the CS/security teacher
2021-03-20T14:59:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> because sometimes I'd cut history to sit in on their classes
2021-03-20T15:00:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> they taught visual basic (not dotNET, OG vbasic) in eleventh grade
2021-03-20T15:00:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and some ancient version of java in twelfth
2021-03-20T15:00:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> with a week of python2 at the end
2021-03-20T15:00:28 #kisslinux <acheam> yikes
2021-03-20T15:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> because "C is too complicated, Mid"
2021-03-20T15:00:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck you it's not
2021-03-20T15:01:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I think the main problem isn't even the languages, but the stuff that you implement *in* said languages. a lot of the time my scripts/programs/whatever fall short because I lack knowledge regarding algorithms and other constructs
2021-03-20T15:01:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah I think there was a single lesson of pascal in first year of my college
2021-03-20T15:01:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least teach that stuff
2021-03-20T15:01:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> >pascal
2021-03-20T15:01:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> And nothing in school at all
2021-03-20T15:01:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> what a boomer
2021-03-20T15:02:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you learn FORTRAN?
2021-03-20T15:02:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> :p
2021-03-20T15:02:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Muh I'm not that old :p
2021-03-20T15:02:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only time I've heard pascal recently is from my first edition SICP
2021-03-20T15:02:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> from 1985
2021-03-20T15:02:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-20T15:03:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also for some reason double commander is written in free pascal
2021-03-20T15:03:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> as is a frontend to transmission-cli
2021-03-20T15:03:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is w e i r d
2021-03-20T15:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> but not any weirder than writing programs in LISP I guess
2021-03-20T15:05:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I think it was around 4 years ago when they "teached" me a single lesson of pascal
2021-03-20T15:05:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So decide for yourself
2021-03-20T15:05:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> They still probably do it
2021-03-20T15:05:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> yikes
2021-03-20T15:06:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't it supposed to be super complicated?
2021-03-20T15:06:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never really bothered with pascal
2021-03-20T15:06:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What complicated can you learn in one lesson and one homework?
2021-03-20T15:07:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair point I guess
2021-03-20T15:07:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've just heard that there's a lot of clunkiness in relation to the syntax and stuff
2021-03-20T15:07:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway, laptop time
2021-03-20T15:07:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> woo
2021-03-20T15:15:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh also my personal problem with halmak is the position of s and f which normally should be pressed by pinkie but in editor it would be ctrl-f and ctrl-s so I would end up rolling my left hand one key to the left
2021-03-20T15:16:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So if I try it then probably would change editor to something vim-like I think
2021-03-20T15:16:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/try/will try/
2021-03-20T15:16:53 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> So if I will try it then probably would change editor to something vim-like I think
2021-03-20T15:19:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The idea of halmak split is nice but otherwise I don't want to change what I have now which is simplified/"modern" dvorak
2021-03-20T15:20:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hellboy2d, https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage/wiki/Running-a-minimal-ubuntu-rootfs-as-regular-user
2021-03-20T15:20:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> article even provides a precompiled proot binary for your pleasure
2021-03-20T15:21:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-20T15:27:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Thanks
2021-03-20T15:27:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I will try in void for now if i cant make work i try it
2021-03-20T15:28:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> my recommendation is to use the described bubblewrap approach
2021-03-20T15:28:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> proot uses ptrace() which has numerous issues, one of them being that it's shit slow
2021-03-20T15:29:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> another one is that it can't deal with SIGSTOP
2021-03-20T15:36:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> https://github.com/thesquash/stlwrt
2021-03-20T15:36:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just shilling this again because some of you are into GTK2
2021-03-20T15:37:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> might find this interesting to watch
2021-03-20T15:37:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> tl;dr fork of GTK2 that aims to be compatible with both GTK2 and GTK3, but preserving the overall look of GTK2
2021-03-20T15:37:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/but/while/
2021-03-20T15:37:57 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> tl;dr fork of GTK2 that aims to be compatible with both GTK2 and GTK3, while preserving the overall look of GTK2
2021-03-20T15:38:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> what even is english
2021-03-20T15:39:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If any of you around scene of opensource games and such- in 2 hours will be Veloren milestone release party(Its in Rust tho. Boo!)
2021-03-20T15:44:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'd rather never use GTK stuff at all but its great that stlwrt exists
2021-03-20T15:45:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, ideally we'd all be using something like Xaw or MOTIF but updated
2021-03-20T15:45:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but as it stands GTK has the advantage of "At least we're not Qt"
2021-03-20T15:45:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and also people still use it
2021-03-20T15:48:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I agree. Would be nice if there was something standardized simple for everything at the end of the day. Sucks to pull all these dependencies like GTK just to use single program like a browser
2021-03-20T15:49:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, I don't think there's anything stopping someone from writing a browser in Xaw
2021-03-20T15:49:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> aside from the fact that HTML, JS and CSS are painful enough to implement without all the extra shit users expect
2021-03-20T15:49:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I guess I should really just try framebuffer browser sometime. Maybe it will be the solution
2021-03-20T15:49:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> maybe a version of dillo could be rewritten for Xaw.
2021-03-20T15:49:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that would be extremely comfy
2021-03-20T16:02:58 #kisslinux <acheam> how does dillo compare to netsurf?
2021-03-20T16:04:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> uses around 40% of what netsurf does in terms of memory
2021-03-20T16:04:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> in terms of LoC i imagine it's much, much less
2021-03-20T16:04:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because dillo iirc is around 8k
2021-03-20T16:04:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and netsurf is... uh, more than that
2021-03-20T16:04:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> probably
2021-03-20T16:04:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i haven't actually checked
2021-03-20T16:05:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dillo doesn't support the vast majority of CSS
2021-03-20T16:05:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also that, yeah
2021-03-20T16:05:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> on a scale of browsers, it's like...
2021-03-20T16:05:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> v close to lynx
2021-03-20T16:05:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> w3m>links>lynx>dillo>netsurf>palememe>firefox
2021-03-20T16:05:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so yeah
2021-03-20T16:05:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's graphical lynx tl;dr
2021-03-20T16:06:01 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-03-20T16:06:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> webshit and chrom* don't get mentioned because they're fucking awful
2021-03-20T16:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> honestly I'd like to switch my main browser on my laptop to something a little more featureful than Links
2021-03-20T16:07:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's basically just a glorified script in my case
2021-03-20T16:07:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :|
2021-03-20T16:07:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> case and screen just arrived :o ya boy gonna be off this macbook this time tomorrow lads
2021-03-20T16:07:48 #kisslinux <acheam> woot
2021-03-20T16:07:50 #kisslinux <acheam> what case?
2021-03-20T16:07:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> now you just need a thinkpad and to install gentoo
2021-03-20T16:07:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You have KISS on a macbook?
2021-03-20T16:08:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "oh wow now I can write rust on a macbook in my hipster distro!"
2021-03-20T16:08:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> thermaltake p5
2021-03-20T16:08:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o_o
2021-03-20T16:08:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck thinkpads
2021-03-20T16:08:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> thermaltake is okay
2021-03-20T16:08:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc i have KISS on a macbook
2021-03-20T16:08:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> thinkpads are shit if it's post-2011
2021-03-20T16:08:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a super pretty case. fits my aesthetic haha
2021-03-20T16:09:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you want an aesthetic case you go with lian-li or silverstone
2021-03-20T16:09:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc I didn't have the budget for a new drive so I have to put the original ssd back in this macbook :X should I reinstall KISS or keep OSX...
2021-03-20T16:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> they're both definitely very premium brands
2021-03-20T16:09:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> at least imo
2021-03-20T16:09:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wanted the Lian Li Dynamic but it was sold out up until the moment I bought the case XD I decided open style was more my thing
2021-03-20T16:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i wanted a silverstone GD07b
2021-03-20T16:09:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because hhhhhhhh
2021-03-20T16:09:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> horizontal desktop case
2021-03-20T16:10:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmm
2021-03-20T16:10:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there needs to be a resurgence in horizontal cases
2021-03-20T16:10:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> change my mind
2021-03-20T16:10:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> case design has come a long way since 2009 for sure for sure
2021-03-20T16:10:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and no, tipping a vertical case on its side is not a horizontal case
2021-03-20T16:10:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> everyone switched to boxes in like the mid 10s lmao
2021-03-20T16:10:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> case design has regressed
2021-03-20T16:11:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> everything is RGB glass panels and there's no FUCKING 5.25 BAYS-
2021-03-20T16:11:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> more 'artistic' cases have become far more affordable tho!
2021-03-20T16:11:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> d frame's are still hella expensive tho
2021-03-20T16:11:08 #kisslinux * midfavila1 takes a deep breath
2021-03-20T16:11:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice dilyn
2021-03-20T16:11:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> well yeah just don't buy a corsair or nzxt lel
2021-03-20T16:11:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I'd rather a case with clean, utilitarian construction than a fancy one
2021-03-20T16:11:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> See the HAF XB Evo for a good example
2021-03-20T16:11:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been using my girlfriend's monitor for the last five months and good gawd I am so excited for a color accurate display :S
2021-03-20T16:11:42 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila1: wtf do you use a 5.25in bay for in 2021
2021-03-20T16:11:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> HAFs are so fucking evil looking lol
2021-03-20T16:11:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> multimedia bay, fan controller
2021-03-20T16:12:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> and I say that coming from having the HAF x or w/e
2021-03-20T16:12:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> thinking of sticking a rasp-pi or something in my third one
2021-03-20T16:12:10 #kisslinux <acheam> multimedia bay?
2021-03-20T16:12:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm happy with my bios controlling my fans
2021-03-20T16:12:25 #kisslinux <acheam> but suit yourself
2021-03-20T16:12:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah, it has USB, compact flash, SD and microSD, etc
2021-03-20T16:12:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> I put a computer inside your computer so you could compute while you compute
2021-03-20T16:12:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> basically, if it's something relevant in the past 20 years, my machine can read it
2021-03-20T16:13:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also, what do you mean that the HAF XB looks "evil"?
2021-03-20T16:13:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> dilyn
2021-03-20T16:13:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> the HAFs have always had an intimidating design
2021-03-20T16:13:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> compare it to the Cosmos lineup, which is very soft
2021-03-20T16:14:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the mac user is intimidated by the BBC
2021-03-20T16:14:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> big black computer
2021-03-20T16:14:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> bruh
2021-03-20T16:14:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lmao
2021-03-20T16:14:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've had three HAFs xD
2021-03-20T16:14:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're a good design, they're just...
2021-03-20T16:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i guess they do have a lot of presence
2021-03-20T16:14:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> have you noticed how cars over the last 20 years have slowly transitioned to a very 'angry headlights' design?
2021-03-20T16:14:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> cars look angry, just like HAFs look aggressive
2021-03-20T16:14:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i don't get how the HAF is aggressive
2021-03-20T16:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> outside of like
2021-03-20T16:15:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> maybe the same way SWATs look aggressive
2021-03-20T16:15:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but that's just a consequence of using hard edges and having a large footprint
2021-03-20T16:15:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> well yes
2021-03-20T16:15:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's precisely my point lol
2021-03-20T16:15:39 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-03-20T16:15:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I find that reassuring, if anything
2021-03-20T16:16:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'hold me big daddy cooler master'
2021-03-20T16:16:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> uwu~
2021-03-20T16:16:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> my screen looks intimidating af too :X
2021-03-20T16:16:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm scared of my PC guys
2021-03-20T16:16:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i recently switched to a chenbro... oh man, I can't remember the part number
2021-03-20T16:16:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> one sec
2021-03-20T16:16:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's gonna eat me in my sleep
2021-03-20T16:16:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> we should post pics and judge each other for our shitty aesthetic
2021-03-20T16:17:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's a Bonding Activity:tm:
2021-03-20T16:17:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> okay, yeah, my case is a Chenbro SR10769
2021-03-20T16:17:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> my aesthetic is mainstream hipster cool kid
2021-03-20T16:17:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's exceptionally chonky
2021-03-20T16:17:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> then again basically everything I use is chonky
2021-03-20T16:18:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a scarey box
2021-03-20T16:18:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's very geometric
2021-03-20T16:18:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhm
2021-03-20T16:18:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> rectangles in your rectangles
2021-03-20T16:18:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the only curves in my setup are like
2021-03-20T16:18:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the curve on the back of my keyboard
2021-03-20T16:18:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :v
2021-03-20T16:18:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and maybe my lamp
2021-03-20T16:20:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i need to get a wrench so I can adjust the weight-bearing nut on my monitor mounts though
2021-03-20T16:20:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i dropped half a grand on them and desipte my monitors being within capacity they don't hold them
2021-03-20T16:20:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-03-20T16:20:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and it's frustrating >:|
2021-03-20T16:20:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright lads I'm off. Don't burn the house down
2021-03-20T16:21:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> quick guys
2021-03-20T16:21:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> burn the house down
2021-03-20T16:21:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-20T16:21:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ded
2021-03-20T16:21:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I wish links supported more of CSS
2021-03-20T16:22:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it doesn't seem to be aware of horizontal positioning on elements
2021-03-20T16:22:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or divs
2021-03-20T16:28:14 #kisslinux <tink> Those who have switched to dvoak or halmak, do you find it difficult to type on qwerty now? I feel like I type fast enough (for me at least) on qwerty already (depends on the test but I can get +110 wpm) so I am not sure as to whether I should make the change. I don't want to get slowed down much although it is a consequence of a switch (despite these layouts are designed to be faster) but I would switch if they are healthier for my fingers. Though, what I am
2021-03-20T16:28:14 #kisslinux <tink> worried about is that since qwerty dominates the market, I might be forced to use it from time to time on different computers or when installing a new OS (as I am using a laptop); so do you find it really difficult to use qwerty now that you've got used to another layout?
2021-03-20T16:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i find layouts are like speaking different languages
2021-03-20T16:28:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you just sort of make a mental "switch" as needed
2021-03-20T16:29:00 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-03-20T16:29:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i used dvorak for a while and it wasn't an issue for me to type on qwerty boards
2021-03-20T16:29:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's already hard enough to use azerty when you're used to qwerty
2021-03-20T16:32:23 #kisslinux <tink> One of the things I don't like about qwerty is that for some words I am forced to use the same finger two times in a row, which obviously slows me down. Dvorak caught my interest as separating consonants and vowels might be a solution to this.
2021-03-20T16:39:34 #kisslinux <tink> midfavila1: Then it's great if that's the case because I used to use only 3, 4 fingers (and I was faster, which is one of my gripes about it) but after learning touch typing, I am unable to type with less fingers as I could back then.
2021-03-20T17:13:01 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: dilyn: https://fossil-scm.org/forum/forumpost/9f94f8773d
2021-03-20T17:14:03 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-03-20T17:14:56 #kisslinux <merakor> fossil unlinks symlinks unless allow-symlinks is set by the cloner and the repository is reverted manually
2021-03-20T17:18:50 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I got that just wasn't sure what to make of it. its an unfortunate behavior, but seems reasonable?
2021-03-20T17:22:28 #kisslinux <merakor2> Yeah, it's not that big of a deal, but it still means symlinked packages should be updated individually
2021-03-20T17:23:29 #kisslinux <merakor2> IIRC community repositories only have i3-gaps with a symlink
2021-03-20T17:23:36 #kisslinux <merakor2> So not a big deal
2021-03-20T17:25:45 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-03-20T17:25:50 #kisslinux <acheam> is carbs migrating to fossil?
2021-03-20T17:36:39 #kisslinux <merakor2> Yeah, I am considering that
2021-03-20T17:40:38 #kisslinux <acheam> lol you're doing a lot of hopping around between VCS and remotes and stuff
2021-03-20T17:41:21 #kisslinux <merakor2> Yeah I have been doing that quite a lot lately :D
2021-03-20T17:41:51 #kisslinux <merakor2> Mostly because I don't want to use Github or Sourcehut
2021-03-20T17:42:00 #kisslinux <merakor2> Fossil is great for self hosting
2021-03-20T17:42:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I could get a static IP and stuff I'd totally move all my resources off of SDF
2021-03-20T17:42:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like it's not properly self-hosted there
2021-03-20T17:43:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> VPSes give me the same vibe
2021-03-20T17:44:09 #kisslinux <merakor2> Eh, I used to serve from a raspberry pi when I started out
2021-03-20T17:44:09 #kisslinux <merakor2> Not really efficient
2021-03-20T17:44:15 #kisslinux <merakor2> I've been using VPS for a while now
2021-03-20T17:44:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> rasp pis are junk
2021-03-20T17:44:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've got a bunch of old PCs
2021-03-20T17:44:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> would like to fire them up for something again
2021-03-20T17:44:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >rasp pis are junk
2021-03-20T17:44:50 #kisslinux <acheam> what about something like duckdns?
2021-03-20T17:44:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I am personally attacked
2021-03-20T17:44:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, you fucking should feel personally attacked
2021-03-20T17:45:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:C
2021-03-20T17:45:19 #kisslinux <merakor2> Bunch of old PCs are expensive though
2021-03-20T17:45:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> never heard of duckdns, but I doubt they can beat SDF
2021-03-20T17:45:27 #kisslinux <merakor2> As in electricity
2021-03-20T17:45:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't pay for it
2021-03-20T17:45:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> utlities are part of my rent
2021-03-20T17:45:51 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-20T17:45:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> burgers btfo I guess
2021-03-20T17:46:05 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: its a dynamic dns service
2021-03-20T17:46:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I figured
2021-03-20T17:46:14 #kisslinux <acheam> so dynamic ip --> static ip
2021-03-20T17:46:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I know
2021-03-20T17:46:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> pretty sure SDF does the same thing
2021-03-20T17:46:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec I have to go make my afternoon tea
2021-03-20T17:47:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i use duckdns too
2021-03-20T17:48:32 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm in a constant flux of self hosting things
2021-03-20T17:48:36 #kisslinux <acheam> right now I'm not self hosting much
2021-03-20T17:48:57 #kisslinux <acheam> just my website, vpn, and git mirror
2021-03-20T17:49:41 #kisslinux <acheam> although my git mirror is struggling right now
2021-03-20T17:50:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm using the fork of stagit that uses pygments to highlight the pages, and its so slow that its never up to date
2021-03-20T17:50:07 #kisslinux <acheam> its about two weeks behind right now
2021-03-20T17:50:23 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-20T17:50:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol pushing to my kiss repo takes 10+ minutes for the syntax highlighting to finish
2021-03-20T17:50:35 #kisslinux <merakor> I've always hosted on my server and mirrored to other places
2021-03-20T17:50:56 #kisslinux <merakor> Mirroring from other servers are always harder
2021-03-20T17:51:15 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh I didn't know about the syntax highlighting thing though
2021-03-20T17:51:22 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah *python*
2021-03-20T17:51:45 #kisslinux <acheam> there are other syntax highlighters out there I can switch to
2021-03-20T17:51:53 #kisslinux <acheam> so its not terrible
2021-03-20T17:52:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> the main concern for me is that I don't want to expose my IP address for like, my house
2021-03-20T17:52:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> which kind of is impossible when it comes to self hosting
2021-03-20T17:52:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-20T17:52:36 #kisslinux <acheam> eh thats not a huge deal imo
2021-03-20T17:52:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe if you don't have people actively trying to dox you
2021-03-20T17:52:48 #kisslinux <acheam> whats gonna happen, some buthurt teen is going to ddos you from their moms basement?
2021-03-20T17:53:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't want to know why you have people actively trying to dox you
2021-03-20T17:53:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, someone's going to take something I said out of context, send a witch hunt after me, and get me evicted and expelled
2021-03-20T17:53:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't you LOVE $YEAR?
2021-03-20T17:55:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, that's why I don't feel like exposing my home IP
2021-03-20T17:55:12 #kisslinux * midfavila does jazz hands
2021-03-20T17:57:00 #kisslinux <soliwilos> You could run it as an onion service.
2021-03-20T17:57:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay sure but if I linked you guys https://f67d8s5fgkftwr8231uf6d7asduwe.onion
2021-03-20T17:57:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> would you click it
2021-03-20T17:57:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-20T17:57:25 #kisslinux <merakor> I sure would not
2021-03-20T17:57:52 #kisslinux <merakor> Although I'm curious now
2021-03-20T17:57:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> mmh?
2021-03-20T17:58:06 #kisslinux <merakor> Should I click it?
2021-03-20T17:58:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i doubt it would go anywhere
2021-03-20T17:58:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just randomly typed that
2021-03-20T17:58:31 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh I assumed you linked the hidden wiki
2021-03-20T17:58:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> 'sides, you would need to be patched into the tor network
2021-03-20T17:58:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> for all I know it could link to a pizza shop
2021-03-20T17:59:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah sure
2021-03-20T17:59:03 #kisslinux <merakor> "pizza shop"
2021-03-20T17:59:20 #kisslinux <acheam> here at dominoes, we value our user privacy
2021-03-20T17:59:24 #kisslinux <acheam> so we set up a secret service
2021-03-20T17:59:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be based actually
2021-03-20T17:59:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i should tell the dominos delivery guy next time he stops by
2021-03-20T17:59:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> they usually send the same irish dude to my apartment
2021-03-20T17:59:52 #kisslinux <merakor> lmao
2021-03-20T18:00:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> "hey can you guys set up an onion service and accept bitcoin? that would be based. thanks dude."
2021-03-20T18:00:08 #kisslinux <merakor> For our lord and saviour Snowden
2021-03-20T18:00:13 #kisslinux <acheam> ew bitcoin
2021-03-20T18:00:15 #kisslinux <acheam> antibased
2021-03-20T18:00:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> monero or dash or something would be better I agree
2021-03-20T18:00:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> but buttcoin is the only magic internet money normies know about
2021-03-20T18:01:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> now, if they had a competent sysadmin, they could just write a script to autogenerate and autoconvert wallets of the appropriate currency...
2021-03-20T18:01:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that would require, er, competency
2021-03-20T18:01:17 #kisslinux <merakor> cryptocringency
2021-03-20T18:01:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> look I don't want to carry cash
2021-03-20T18:01:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you know where that's been?
2021-03-20T18:01:38 #kisslinux <merakor> cash is based
2021-03-20T18:01:48 #kisslinux <acheam> cash isn't anonymous
2021-03-20T18:01:55 #kisslinux <acheam> at least, as anonymous as monero
2021-03-20T18:01:57 #kisslinux <acheam> or dash
2021-03-20T18:02:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i recall reading that most US bills have significant traces of fecal matter and cocaine
2021-03-20T18:02:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> so
2021-03-20T18:02:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> consider the following I guess
2021-03-20T18:02:09 #kisslinux <acheam> its got those serial numbers
2021-03-20T18:02:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to pay anonymously around here I guess you could collect a ton of pennies
2021-03-20T18:02:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> then just turn them into a bank
2021-03-20T18:03:09 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean, cash is anonymous enough
2021-03-20T18:03:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> get clean money and call it a day
2021-03-20T18:03:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> depends on how you get it
2021-03-20T18:03:48 #kisslinux <merakor> If you are a normal person doing normal things
2021-03-20T18:04:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't need privacy because I have nothing to hide?
2021-03-20T18:04:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> bullshit
2021-03-20T18:04:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Fair
2021-03-20T18:04:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I want to be paid and pay anonymously, I should be able to. only reason the gubbermind doesn't like it is because they can't get their chunk
2021-03-20T18:04:46 #kisslinux <merakor> But is like the least of my privacy concerns
2021-03-20T18:04:56 #kisslinux <merakor> s/^But/But cash/
2021-03-20T18:04:57 #kisslinux <kissbot> <merakor> But cash is like the least of my privacy concerns
2021-03-20T18:33:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's fair. just wanted to point out that if you want proper... eugh, "opsec", as the redditors call it, cash still has problems
2021-03-20T19:04:54 #kisslinux <varbhat> hello
2021-03-20T19:05:00 #kisslinux <acheam> hi varbhat
2021-03-20T19:05:38 #kisslinux <varbhat> what kernel optimisations do you perform?
2021-03-20T19:10:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> you mean config or applied patches?
2021-03-20T19:10:18 #kisslinux <varbhat> both
2021-03-20T19:10:41 #kisslinux <varbhat> i am thinking of optimizing the kernel, trimming by reducing bloat
2021-03-20T19:10:58 #kisslinux <varbhat> first, i need to look at configs. what options can be disabled,lol
2021-03-20T19:11:15 #kisslinux <varbhat> i need very slim, performant kernel
2021-03-20T19:11:35 #kisslinux <varbhat> but,i won't apply tkg patches,etc. it must be vanilla
2021-03-20T19:12:03 #kisslinux <soliwilos> BMQ scheduler, 300Hz, voluntary preemption, gcc native-cpu and reduction of enabled options.
2021-03-20T19:12:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I use gcc march patch. As for the config mine almost like this except I trimmed literally every bit I could by hand https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=NVWVHiLx1sU
2021-03-20T19:13:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Sched also can decrease performance. I'm not using sheds.
2021-03-20T19:14:45 #kisslinux <soliwilos> IO scheduler "noop/none".
2021-03-20T19:17:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> noop
2021-03-20T19:17:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's my word of the day
2021-03-20T19:17:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> can we get a word of the day acheam?
2021-03-20T19:18:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Every day word of the day should be "offtopic" or "cringe"
2021-03-20T19:18:56 #kisslinux <acheam> word of the day: noop
2021-03-20T19:19:03 #kisslinux <acheam> bask in its glory
2021-03-20T19:19:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean yeah, unironically
2021-03-20T19:19:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> put it in the topic >:c
2021-03-20T19:19:35 #kisslinux <acheam> our topic is already too long
2021-03-20T19:19:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> only because you put in a huge invidious link
2021-03-20T19:20:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> also there's still mention of old site: services. #kisslinux https://k1ss.net
2021-03-20T19:21:10 #kisslinux <acheam> eh
2021-03-20T19:21:19 #kisslinux <acheam> where nxghtmvrx?
2021-03-20T19:22:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lemme screen that or something. The last automatic message I get from this chat
2021-03-20T19:25:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://0x0.st/-NkT.jpg
2021-03-20T19:33:50 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-03-20T19:33:56 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: ^
2021-03-20T19:34:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'm using kirc btw if that matters
2021-03-20T19:37:06 #kisslinux <aarng> /msg ChanServ SET #kisslinux URL <url>
2021-03-20T19:39:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> seems to be fixed
2021-03-20T19:40:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wait... if chanserv is evangelising the URL, is it really necessary for it to be in the topic as well?
2021-03-20T19:41:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So you can put there more stuff now :p
2021-03-20T19:41:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> precisely
2021-03-20T19:41:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> like, you know, a word of the day
2021-03-20T19:41:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Haha! Now you have no reason to prevent me from having my way, acheam
2021-03-20T19:41:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> once again, I win
2021-03-20T19:41:54 #kisslinux <aarng> some clients might not show the URL, or show it in the status window
2021-03-20T19:42:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Or worse, show it in a 'ChanServ' DM window
2021-03-20T19:42:21 #kisslinux <aarng> yep
2021-03-20T19:42:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I know that irssi does that.
2021-03-20T19:42:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Happens on Pidgin too. It's not that bad
2021-03-20T19:42:37 #kisslinux <acheam> it doesn't on weechat
2021-03-20T19:42:38 #kisslinux <soliwilos> "w00td: noop"
2021-03-20T19:42:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> too much space!
2021-03-20T19:46:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl|birch> Good, birch shows the url
2021-03-20T19:46:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i always misread birch
2021-03-20T19:46:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl|birch> as bitch?
2021-03-20T19:46:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes :v
2021-03-20T19:47:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> this works
2021-03-20T19:47:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl|bitch> Now you'll read it properly :^)
2021-03-20T19:47:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nice fix tho
2021-03-20T19:47:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> this works
2021-03-20T19:47:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> x2
2021-03-20T19:47:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I wish everyone did the same way in FOSS
2021-03-20T19:47:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i still think we should have wotd
2021-03-20T19:47:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Instead we patch forever
2021-03-20T19:48:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> it gives us Personality:tm:
2021-03-20T19:48:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> and helps us synergize with our clients
2021-03-20T19:48:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl|bitch> word of the day: Windows
2021-03-20T19:48:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that we can continue to be leaders in the space of embedded Linux
2021-03-20T19:48:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> can I be the official scrum master of kiss
2021-03-20T19:48:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think I'd be good at it
2021-03-20T19:49:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I can be scum master of kiss
2021-03-20T19:49:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're not condescending enough
2021-03-20T19:49:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-20T19:49:24 #kisslinux <ilyht> is this the channel where linux users kiss each other
2021-03-20T19:49:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> just point me to /dev/null
2021-03-20T19:49:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is the gayest distro
2021-03-20T19:49:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> FACT
2021-03-20T19:49:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ilyht: This is a linux distro.
2021-03-20T19:49:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> see https://k1sslinux.org
2021-03-20T19:49:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> just don't look up gkiss
2021-03-20T19:50:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> We kiss our computers and precious keyboards
2021-03-20T19:50:03 #kisslinux <ilyht> no kisses then
2021-03-20T19:50:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> only kiss up to the chanops
2021-03-20T19:50:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> then you get to do shenanigans
2021-03-20T19:51:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> the next distro I will use must be named ass
2021-03-20T19:51:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> we already have libass
2021-03-20T19:52:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> when will you people be satisfied!?!?
2021-03-20T19:52:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Never
2021-03-20T19:52:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'll migrate to my own distro one day
2021-03-20T19:52:49 #kisslinux <ilyht> is there a libtits
2021-03-20T19:52:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Hopefully not EmacsOS with systemd-kerneld tho
2021-03-20T19:53:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure somebody somewhere made a libtits.
2021-03-20T19:53:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ilyht: there is nippleJS
2021-03-20T19:53:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> software developers are professional and capable individuals
2021-03-20T19:53:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> :tm:
2021-03-20T19:53:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> alas, nobody has imported libgf
2021-03-20T19:53:49 #kisslinux <ilyht> a nipple you can touch and move
2021-03-20T19:53:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Now on my way to write libscrew
2021-03-20T19:53:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's just a thinkpad trackpoint ilyht
2021-03-20T19:54:28 #kisslinux <ilyht> you can edit so much stuff too
2021-03-20T19:54:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> although for the record trackpoints are at their best on the notebooks
2021-03-20T19:54:38 #kisslinux <ilyht> position number of nipples opacity color
2021-03-20T19:54:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> 14" and larger are... eh
2021-03-20T19:54:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't find they benefit much
2021-03-20T19:55:14 #kisslinux <ilyht> I think anything larger than 8" is probably painfuk
2021-03-20T19:55:17 #kisslinux <ilyht> painful*
2021-03-20T19:55:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> UMPCs are v nice
2021-03-20T19:55:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to carry a full size laptop in my pocket though
2021-03-20T19:55:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> some ASUS machine
2021-03-20T19:55:55 #kisslinux <ilyht> you have huge pockets
2021-03-20T19:56:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, my coats tend to have huge pockets
2021-03-20T19:56:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> as all coats and vests should
2021-03-20T19:56:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I can carry all my books and tools in my pockets there's no need for a bag
2021-03-20T19:57:01 #kisslinux <ilyht> are you even a real man if you can't handle 14" in your pocket
2021-03-20T19:57:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the KISS Linux tip of the day
2021-03-20T19:59:37 #kisslinux <ilyht> hmm
2021-03-20T19:59:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I wish learning IRL was as easy as it is in cataclysm DDA
2021-03-20T20:00:11 #kisslinux <ilyht> what's a very safe irc server
2021-03-20T20:00:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> "you want to learn how to build an engine? go read this book about blacksmithing. this will also teach you how to build a gun."
2021-03-20T20:00:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean define safe
2021-03-20T20:00:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want "safe" go back to reddit
2021-03-20T20:00:35 #kisslinux <ilyht> hard to exploit
2021-03-20T20:00:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> just check on a CVE list
2021-03-20T20:00:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and keep in mind that most CVEs are shit-tier
2021-03-20T20:01:09 #kisslinux <ilyht> hmm
2021-03-20T20:01:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it doesn't drop to shell or escalate privs it's usually not a huge deal
2021-03-20T20:01:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> ofc if it can chain to an exploit that does those it's a different story
2021-03-20T20:01:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but tl;dr if it's not able to be used in the real world just ignore it
2021-03-20T20:01:55 #kisslinux <ilyht> you guys think golang could be backdoored
2021-03-20T20:02:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's pretty sick tho midfavila. I would love to read a book on blacksmithing that could learn me about guns, engines and other stuff
2021-03-20T20:02:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> irrelevant question because golang is google tech and should therefore not be trusted
2021-03-20T20:02:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yes you can easily backdoor a compiler
2021-03-20T20:02:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> read ken thompson's "Trusting Trust"
2021-03-20T20:02:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> pretty sure that was him
2021-03-20T20:02:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> or maybe it was dennis ritchie
2021-03-20T20:02:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr backdoor a compiler to insert backdoors into all compiled binaries
2021-03-20T20:02:49 #kisslinux <ilyht> not could be as in hypothetically could be attacked
2021-03-20T20:02:59 #kisslinux <ilyht> more like could google have slipped a backdoor into it
2021-03-20T20:03:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> into the language specification? not really.
2021-03-20T20:03:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> go is oss though
2021-03-20T20:03:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> open source is a fucking joke
2021-03-20T20:03:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> get that in your head
2021-03-20T20:03:26 #kisslinux <ilyht> yeah but google is smart they could keep shit hidden in plain sight
2021-03-20T20:03:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nah
2021-03-20T20:03:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> companies are using developers as free labor
2021-03-20T20:03:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "free" sure
2021-03-20T20:03:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> with "oh maybe I can get into FAANG!" as incentive
2021-03-20T20:03:52 #kisslinux <ilyht> foss is great
2021-03-20T20:04:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> free/libre is fine because it's not motivated by money
2021-03-20T20:04:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> any time there's money or greed involved, everyone is immediately suspect
2021-03-20T20:04:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> EOF
2021-03-20T20:04:25 #kisslinux <ilyht> thing is tho
2021-03-20T20:04:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> One could say the same about the Linux kern dev
2021-03-20T20:04:43 #kisslinux <ilyht> most shit they sell you as just compiled source ends up being adware
2021-03-20T20:04:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> linus has a proven track record of being immensely based
2021-03-20T20:04:45 #kisslinux <ilyht> see windows
2021-03-20T20:04:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and besides
2021-03-20T20:04:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> linux isn't "open source"
2021-03-20T20:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's GPL-compatible, meaning it's specifically *free* software
2021-03-20T20:05:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Go is MIT
2021-03-20T20:05:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only downside there is that it can be used for tivoization
2021-03-20T20:05:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> which isn't bad
2021-03-20T20:05:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> MIT is like the switzerland of licenses
2021-03-20T20:05:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> which is to say?
2021-03-20T20:05:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> neutral no matter what
2021-03-20T20:05:36 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-20T20:05:38 #kisslinux <ilyht> hmmm
2021-03-20T20:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's how I see it anyway
2021-03-20T20:05:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-20T20:05:44 #kisslinux <ilyht> I think windows being open source is pretty cool
2021-03-20T20:05:48 #kisslinux <ilyht> linux*
2021-03-20T20:05:59 #kisslinux <ilyht> think about it someone finds an exploit right
2021-03-20T20:06:09 #kisslinux <ilyht> they open a cve and it gets patched
2021-03-20T20:06:12 #kisslinux <ilyht> or a pull request
2021-03-20T20:06:14 #kisslinux <ilyht> whatever
2021-03-20T20:06:19 #kisslinux <ilyht> but windows on the other hand
2021-03-20T20:06:29 #kisslinux <ilyht> only people who have the source are microsoft and federal agencies
2021-03-20T20:06:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> windows is secure because only the Good Guys:tm: can access your computer
2021-03-20T20:06:51 #kisslinux <ilyht> windows defender is such a joke
2021-03-20T20:07:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean antivirus in general is.
2021-03-20T20:07:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know how to avoid viruses? don't open weird shit.
2021-03-20T20:07:21 #kisslinux <ilyht> yes but the way windows defender works specifically is even funnier
2021-03-20T20:07:25 #kisslinux <ilyht> also not 100% the case midfavila
2021-03-20T20:07:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't connect to computers that are run by incompetent sysops
2021-03-20T20:07:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you're basically good, ignoring any glaring configuration errors in running services that could lead to an attack
2021-03-20T20:08:06 #kisslinux <ilyht> there's always fucking 0days and shit feds have to fuck people up
2021-03-20T20:08:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> "muh scope"
2021-03-20T20:08:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> see that's why you use minimalist software
2021-03-20T20:08:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> written by people with strong ideals
2021-03-20T20:08:47 #kisslinux <ilyht> linux is better than windows in that case because everyone can find said 0days
2021-03-20T20:08:57 #kisslinux <ilyht> and fix them
2021-03-20T20:09:10 #kisslinux <ilyht> you know windows had like 4 critical vulnerabilities open for months
2021-03-20T20:09:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There's no point to talk about security in non-opensource. Its called security by obscurity for a reason
2021-03-20T20:09:20 #kisslinux <ilyht> and they were being exploited lol
2021-03-20T20:09:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> open source isn't a magic bullet for security
2021-03-20T20:09:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ahem openssl
2021-03-20T20:09:43 #kisslinux <ilyht> open source is like vaccines
2021-03-20T20:09:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> eh...
2021-03-20T20:09:54 #kisslinux <ilyht> you get a bit of the disease but you fix it
2021-03-20T20:10:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is getting a little circle-jerky
2021-03-20T20:10:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna go make another cuppa
2021-03-20T20:10:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> That's an interesting comparison
2021-03-20T20:10:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re vaccine
2021-03-20T20:10:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> you could compare the patch process to vaccination I suppose
2021-03-20T20:10:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Especially considering discussion that happened here today
2021-03-20T20:10:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> although I think surgery might be more accurate
2021-03-20T20:10:56 #kisslinux <ilyht> there's always gonna be 0days because humans are shit at everything right
2021-03-20T20:11:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> "NOT IF WE WRITE IN RUST GUYS!!!!!"
2021-03-20T20:11:07 #kisslinux <ilyht> but it all comes to how fast you can find them and fix them
2021-03-20T20:11:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> seriously, though, Rust makes it much easier to avoid a whole class of memory-related bugs
2021-03-20T20:12:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> even if the only benefit of Rust was no data races it's still a hefty advantage
2021-03-20T20:12:12 #kisslinux <ilyht> midfavila: funniest shit ever is when you see rust implementations of old, well done code and it's all inside unsafe blocks
2021-03-20T20:12:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what makes it even easier kiedtl?
2021-03-20T20:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> not writing shit code.
2021-03-20T20:12:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol sure
2021-03-20T20:12:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Let's remove all seatbelts from cars
2021-03-20T20:12:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, not writing massive projects with zero scope control
2021-03-20T20:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a stupid comparison
2021-03-20T20:13:05 #kisslinux <ilyht> it's more like let's leave the fast cars to the people who can drive them
2021-03-20T20:13:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, the peons should just use public transit at 30k/h
2021-03-20T20:13:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-03-20T20:13:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, actually
2021-03-20T20:13:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> they should
2021-03-20T20:13:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-20T20:13:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o_o
2021-03-20T20:14:05 #kisslinux <ilyht> whats that in miles
2021-03-20T20:14:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not going to pretend to be a genius or anything, I'm just some asshole college kid, but if you can't do something well, shut the fuck up and get out of the way
2021-03-20T20:14:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's something that was impressed on me strongly back when I lived on a base
2021-03-20T20:14:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> lead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way
2021-03-20T20:14:39 #kisslinux <ilyht> i mean
2021-03-20T20:14:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it tends to work quite well
2021-03-20T20:14:41 #kisslinux <ilyht> think about it
2021-03-20T20:14:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> not with programming
2021-03-20T20:14:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Rust isn't safe in any way. Its "safety" debatable to all 100%. Lemme try to find that article somewhere...
2021-03-20T20:15:00 #kisslinux <ilyht> no one's perfect and big projects require lots of contriubutors to stay secure
2021-03-20T20:15:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You can never eliminiate bugs with expertise
2021-03-20T20:15:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd sooner trust someone who's been writing programs for decades than some dude who went through a bootcamp
2021-03-20T20:15:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-20T20:15:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something sel4
2021-03-20T20:15:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what about sel4
2021-03-20T20:15:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't it supposed to be formally correct or whatever?
2021-03-20T20:15:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> sel4: *exists*
2021-03-20T20:16:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Rust soydevs: *scream in pain*
2021-03-20T20:16:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can tell me to fuck off because I'm admittedly not familiar with advanced computer science right now
2021-03-20T20:16:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm probably making a fool of myself
2021-03-20T20:16:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> biased + one-sided af
2021-03-20T20:16:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but as far as I know if a program is formally correct, that means it should be bug-free
2021-03-20T20:16:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> right?
2021-03-20T20:17:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and hey, I never claimed to be biased and not one-sided
2021-03-20T20:17:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm human and have a position I stand behind
2021-03-20T20:17:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Just keep an open mind lol
2021-03-20T20:17:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm fine with keeping an open mind, but giving incompetent workers better tools is a bandaid fix
2021-03-20T20:18:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You are techincally correct
2021-03-20T20:18:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> the best and only kind of correct
2021-03-20T20:18:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Giving an incompetent person Rust isn't going to fix anything
2021-03-20T20:18:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but even competent people make mistakes
2021-03-20T20:18:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Just look at curl
2021-03-20T20:18:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely
2021-03-20T20:18:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also why did my typing speed become such a mess
2021-03-20T20:19:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the difference between competent and incompetent is that competent people fix and learn from said mistakes
2021-03-20T20:19:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I need to look into typist lol
2021-03-20T20:19:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: doesn't stop them from making the same mistakes again. Programming is a whole nuther ballgame.
2021-03-20T20:19:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe.
2021-03-20T20:19:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't view it as any different from any other applied science.
2021-03-20T20:20:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> not really a fan of special cases, personally
2021-03-20T20:20:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway kettle just started whistling
2021-03-20T20:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> brb
2021-03-20T20:20:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> doh twitter
2021-03-20T20:21:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It still exists
2021-03-20T20:23:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So the problem with rust is that it was made by someone who used and loved C++. It is harder than C++. Which means its even easier to make mistakes with it
2021-03-20T20:24:18 #kisslinux <ilyht> c++ gets harder each release
2021-03-20T20:24:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> what's that quote about c++?
2021-03-20T20:24:28 #kisslinux <ilyht> it's like lower level javascript at this point
2021-03-20T20:24:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> "c makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot, C++ makes it harder but blows your whole leg off"?
2021-03-20T20:24:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's hard in a different way, though.
2021-03-20T20:24:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> How can you keep things secure and whatnot if your language is harder than at what you scream is unsafe and such
2021-03-20T20:24:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Rust has a few features that are hard to grok.
2021-03-20T20:25:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its not improvement
2021-03-20T20:25:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> C++ has tons of features that are easy to abuse
2021-03-20T20:25:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also, that doesn't make C++ code buggy, necessarily
2021-03-20T20:25:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is why we should just go back to writing machine code
2021-03-20T20:25:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-20T20:25:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Mu god
2021-03-20T20:25:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're reaching levels of hipster that shouldn't even be possible
2021-03-20T20:25:53 #kisslinux <ilyht> learning C is like shooting yourself in the dick in every way possible until you have no new ways to do it
2021-03-20T20:25:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Like, no offense, but it's kinda obvious that neither of you really know much about Rust at this point
2021-03-20T20:26:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> where "neither" == nx, mid
2021-03-20T20:26:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> As using 300 people distro wasn't hipster enough
2021-03-20T20:26:20 #kisslinux <ilyht> i mean
2021-03-20T20:26:24 #kisslinux <ilyht> kiss linux is a bit popular
2021-03-20T20:26:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ehh
2021-03-20T20:26:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't need to be an expert on a language to be skeptical of its benefits
2021-03-20T20:26:33 #kisslinux <ilyht> it's been on unixporn
2021-03-20T20:26:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> for what definition of popular?
2021-03-20T20:26:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially when its detriments are obvious
2021-03-20T20:26:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well
2021-03-20T20:26:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also something-something community
2021-03-20T20:27:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: I never said you needed to be an expert. It's best to be knowledgable about it before critising it though
2021-03-20T20:27:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> there are language fanatics in every community
2021-03-20T20:27:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and I've seen more anti-rust crusaders than I have seen rust evangelists
2021-03-20T20:27:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> far more, in fact
2021-03-20T20:27:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> idc about the fanatics, but a lot of rust developers seem more interested in politics than software
2021-03-20T20:28:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with ruby now that I think of it
2021-03-20T20:28:02 #kisslinux <ilyht> what do you guys think of wayland
2021-03-20T20:28:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> wayland bad
2021-03-20T20:28:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> my experience has been the opposite
2021-03-20T20:28:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> xorg good
2021-03-20T20:28:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re rust
2021-03-20T20:28:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ^ Well I'm no Rust pro for sure. I don't think I can find the sauce so its rip for me for now
2021-03-20T20:28:36 #kisslinux <ilyht> I've been thinking of switching to wayland because people say it's faster
2021-03-20T20:28:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> if you have a nice gpu :3
2021-03-20T20:28:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> "faster"?
2021-03-20T20:29:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah my hd 5750 will be enough for wl
2021-03-20T20:29:23 #kisslinux <ilyht> heard people say that it's less bloated and fucked up than xorg
2021-03-20T20:29:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> And eats way more ram
2021-03-20T20:29:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's less bloated unless a single program you use needs Xorg
2021-03-20T20:29:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> in which case you still need all of xorg
2021-03-20T20:29:46 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I like wayland, used sway and now hikari.
2021-03-20T20:29:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence why xorg is the standard display server for KISS
2021-03-20T20:31:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> man it's kind of weird to think that more than a quarter of 2021 is over
2021-03-20T20:31:35 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Xwayland was separated from xserver recently.
2021-03-20T20:31:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure but let's say you use gtk2
2021-03-20T20:31:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> At least 2021 is breaking 2020's trend of having a crisis every month
2021-03-20T20:32:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtk2 drags in a bunch of stuff including the rest of the XOrg support libraries
2021-03-20T20:32:11 #kisslinux <acheam> woot! Finally got mu4e working
2021-03-20T20:32:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean tbh I found 2020 better
2021-03-20T20:32:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone just sort of sat on their hands
2021-03-20T20:32:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> now people are trying to act like everything is Back To Normal Guys
2021-03-20T20:32:47 #kisslinux <ilyht> cant wait for "the big crash" to happen
2021-03-20T20:33:05 #kisslinux <dgre> lol the 'o-one year!' cope
2021-03-20T20:33:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the end result is bullshit like proctoring software
2021-03-20T20:33:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, not that it didn't already exist
2021-03-20T20:33:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's getting shilled hard now
2021-03-20T20:33:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> scratched your chin? redo your exam
2021-03-20T20:33:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> looked out the window? you fail
2021-03-20T20:33:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> switched windows for half a second? get the fuck out of my face, scum
2021-03-20T20:34:23 #kisslinux <ilyht> im using windows 10 right now
2021-03-20T20:34:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-20T20:34:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> begone microshill
2021-03-20T20:34:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> thou art banished to the chaos realm, /dev/urandom.
2021-03-20T20:35:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Rarther /dev/null
2021-03-20T20:35:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> dev null is the void 5hed
2021-03-20T20:35:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> And if you on void you have double void 4hed
2021-03-20T20:35:50 #kisslinux <acheam> I imagine /dev/urandom being like flying through an asteroid field
2021-03-20T20:35:59 #kisslinux <ilyht> I would rather be taken to /dev/random to suffer slowly in a more POSIX compliant manner
2021-03-20T20:36:04 #kisslinux <acheam> but /dev/null is just black
2021-03-20T20:36:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i dunno I always figured it was more like what would happen if the fundamental laws of reality were rapidly shifted in all directions
2021-03-20T20:36:19 #kisslinux <acheam> ilyht: you have to earn that right
2021-03-20T20:36:32 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: how do you visualize that?
2021-03-20T20:36:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If there's no sound or light in /dev/null I'd prefer to go insane by it rather some random nonsense
2021-03-20T20:37:03 #kisslinux <ilyht> acheam: read bits represent them as pixels falling
2021-03-20T20:37:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not sure how to describe how I visualize it, acheam
2021-03-20T20:37:21 #kisslinux <ilyht> 1 white 0 black
2021-03-20T20:37:30 #kisslinux <dgre> hmmm
2021-03-20T20:37:34 #kisslinux <dgre> it has a bit of psychodelia to it
2021-03-20T20:37:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> write urandom to /dev/fb0
2021-03-20T20:38:28 #kisslinux <ilyht> oh my god! facebook 0!?
2021-03-20T20:38:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> screenshot this ^ and put an ifunny logo on it
2021-03-20T20:38:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> then post to reddit for maximum karma
2021-03-20T20:39:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-03-20T20:39:53 #kisslinux <ilyht> reddit people would just be like HUH AKTSHUALLY FB STANDS FOR FRAME BUFFER XD
2021-03-20T20:40:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> no that's stack overflow
2021-03-20T20:40:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> "question closed for duplication"
2021-03-20T20:40:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least it's not le ebic hecker noose
2021-03-20T20:40:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I hate that site
2021-03-20T20:40:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> bunch of pricks
2021-03-20T20:40:48 #kisslinux <ilyht> no stack overflow would be like HERE https://www.acronymfinder.com/FB.html HOPE IT HELPS
2021-03-20T20:41:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah rate me up so I get virtual points. Mark the question as solved
2021-03-20T20:41:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But they mostly use words afaik not just links :p
2021-03-20T20:44:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> man who would have thought that not being sleep-deprived was kind of awesome
2021-03-20T20:44:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i actually like
2021-03-20T20:44:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> did stuff today
2021-03-20T20:44:13 #kisslinux <ilyht> sleep high is the worst kind of high
2021-03-20T20:44:48 #kisslinux <ilyht> coke is not that bad i heard
2021-03-20T20:44:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I'm constantly exhausted because I have an autistic obsession with """"""productivity""""""
2021-03-20T20:45:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I cut sleep to study
2021-03-20T20:45:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then because I haven't slept I can't focus or do exercises
2021-03-20T20:45:24 #kisslinux <ilyht> that's just capitalism or some shit I don't know I'm lazy
2021-03-20T20:45:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> no that's just poor self-esteem and poor self-control
2021-03-20T20:46:05 #kisslinux <ilyht> just blame a political system for it and move on
2021-03-20T20:46:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> those damn $OUTGROUP!
2021-03-20T20:46:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> ruining my sleep and takin' our jobs
2021-03-20T20:46:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> well let me tell you something
2021-03-20T20:47:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> elect me, and I'll take your money and use it to go on a vacation
2021-03-20T20:47:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a promise
2021-03-20T20:47:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm the only honest politician
2021-03-20T20:47:40 #kisslinux <ilyht> sounds more legitimate than any politician
2021-03-20T20:47:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> little did you know that I lied
2021-03-20T20:48:08 #kisslinux <ilyht> damn politicians!
2021-03-20T20:48:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I actually intend to use your money to fund the sciences and military, tax businesses and the rich, impose penalties for excess emissions, and improve infrastructure
2021-03-20T20:49:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> alas, I'm terrible at public speaking
2021-03-20T20:49:12 #kisslinux <ilyht> think about it
2021-03-20T20:49:18 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Replace them with AI.
2021-03-20T20:49:19 #kisslinux <ilyht> it sounds like something that could actually happen
2021-03-20T20:49:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean totally
2021-03-20T20:49:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> vermin supreme would be an awesome US President I bet
2021-03-20T20:49:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> but he'll never get into office because he's a professional shitposter
2021-03-20T20:49:58 #kisslinux <ilyht> 2020 was like a very long very painful black mirror episode
2021-03-20T20:50:03 #kisslinux <ilyht> 2021 seems even worse
2021-03-20T20:50:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh my god guys it's literally black mirror!"
2021-03-20T20:50:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> reddit moment
2021-03-20T20:50:21 #kisslinux <ilyht> 2021 is like the ending 20 minutes of the episode
2021-03-20T20:50:32 #kisslinux <ilyht> where everything gets fucked up but people don't care anymore
2021-03-20T20:52:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Guys do u want to listen to a copy of my dmesg
2021-03-20T20:52:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It sounds awesome
2021-03-20T20:52:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-20T20:53:00 #kisslinux <ilyht> sure
2021-03-20T20:53:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> aplay dmesg https://0x0.st/-Nkd.json
2021-03-20T20:54:47 #kisslinux <dgre> >.json
2021-03-20T20:55:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its formatted by the site
2021-03-20T20:55:26 #kisslinux <dgre> lol
2021-03-20T20:55:40 #kisslinux <ilyht> CoreFour has some serious internet issues
2021-03-20T20:55:41 #kisslinux <acheam> "SyntaxError: JSON.parse: unexpected non-whitespace character after JSON data at line 1 column 16 of the JSON data"
2021-03-20T20:55:58 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh what that is not a json
2021-03-20T20:57:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> is this another case of software caring about file extensions
2021-03-20T20:57:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> curl https://0x0.st/-Nkd.json > mesg; aplay dmesg
2021-03-20T20:57:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Just do it the proper way
2021-03-20T20:57:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're going to do it the "proper way", just curl it into aplay, forehead
2021-03-20T20:57:59 #kisslinux <acheam> lel
2021-03-20T20:58:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lmao
2021-03-20T20:58:12 #kisslinux <acheam> curl https://0x0.st/-Nkd.json | aplay
2021-03-20T20:58:21 #kisslinux <ilyht> just use wget curl is for losers
2021-03-20T20:58:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> the virgin nxgh vs the chad acheam
2021-03-20T20:58:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> exactly opposite
2021-03-20T20:58:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> wget sucks
2021-03-20T20:58:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> wget is garbage yeah
2021-03-20T20:58:43 #kisslinux <acheam> doas dmesg | aplay
2021-03-20T20:58:45 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-03-20T20:58:48 #kisslinux <acheam> utter garbage
2021-03-20T20:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> use axel if you want something like that
2021-03-20T20:58:52 #kisslinux <ilyht> wget is more #posix compliant
2021-03-20T20:59:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want muh posix use curl
2021-03-20T20:59:08 #kisslinux <acheam> how ilyht
2021-03-20T20:59:11 #kisslinux <ilyht> windows dont have curl
2021-03-20T20:59:15 #kisslinux <ilyht> it has wget tho
2021-03-20T20:59:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> wget is replaced by curl --output so whatever
2021-03-20T20:59:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> windows isn't posix dummy
2021-03-20T20:59:19 #kisslinux <acheam> who gives a crap about windows
2021-03-20T20:59:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> also this
2021-03-20T20:59:32 #kisslinux <ilyht> i think debian aswell
2021-03-20T20:59:38 #kisslinux <ilyht> you can install curl
2021-03-20T20:59:41 #kisslinux <ilyht> but wget is there by default
2021-03-20T20:59:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're using debian you know how to fix the problem
2021-03-20T20:59:43 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-03-20T20:59:48 #kisslinux <acheam> neither is there by default
2021-03-20T20:59:57 #kisslinux <acheam> and "default packages" is NOT a way of measuring posix compliance
2021-03-20T21:00:04 #kisslinux <ilyht> well depends on the debian you use I use debian + curl
2021-03-20T21:00:14 #kisslinux <ilyht> but people use debian + wget sometime
2021-03-20T21:00:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> no offense
2021-03-20T21:00:18 #kisslinux <ilyht> you know how it be acheam
2021-03-20T21:00:22 #kisslinux <acheam> it really doesn't matter
2021-03-20T21:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but when writing scripts nobody cares what you use
2021-03-20T21:00:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-03-20T21:00:28 #kisslinux <acheam> you need both
2021-03-20T21:00:31 #kisslinux <acheam> for convinience
2021-03-20T21:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want a portable script, use a portable environment
2021-03-20T21:00:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise, you're on your own
2021-03-20T21:00:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> stfu
2021-03-20T21:00:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> n00b
2021-03-20T21:00:47 #kisslinux <acheam> tree / | aplay
2021-03-20T21:01:06 #kisslinux <ilyht> why use libcurl when you have libwget
2021-03-20T21:01:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> because wget is fucking trash
2021-03-20T21:01:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> this was already stated
2021-03-20T21:01:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> My tree / sounds awesome
2021-03-20T21:01:41 #kisslinux <acheam> wget assumes too much by default
2021-03-20T21:01:46 #kisslinux <acheam> like following redirects
2021-03-20T21:01:49 #kisslinux <acheam> and saving to a file
2021-03-20T21:01:55 #kisslinux <ilyht> fr tho curl and wget are both bad I think netcat is more posix compliant
2021-03-20T21:01:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I don't want to hear my tree / ever again lmao
2021-03-20T21:02:05 #kisslinux <acheam> cause its too fire?
2021-03-20T21:02:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> mfw I don't have tree
2021-03-20T21:02:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> #minimalism
2021-03-20T21:02:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> #suckless
2021-03-20T21:02:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> of course i have tree
2021-03-20T21:02:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I use pass
2021-03-20T21:02:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> :p
2021-03-20T21:02:51 #kisslinux <acheam> cat /dev/urandom | aplay
2021-03-20T21:03:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah, yes
2021-03-20T21:03:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> human music
2021-03-20T21:03:17 #kisslinux <ilyht> man thinking about it now
2021-03-20T21:03:21 #kisslinux <dgre> why use a whole music studio stack
2021-03-20T21:03:31 #kisslinux <ilyht> netcat could be used as a minimal alternative to curl
2021-03-20T21:03:31 #kisslinux <dgre> when your unix box can generate music by itself
2021-03-20T21:03:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> netcat isn't minimal
2021-03-20T21:03:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> nor is it an alternative to curl
2021-03-20T21:03:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just smack my keyboard for music
2021-03-20T21:03:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Such a great songs
2021-03-20T21:03:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Multiple albums
2021-03-20T21:03:56 #kisslinux <ilyht> you can do http with netcat
2021-03-20T21:03:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, is netcat even posix?
2021-03-20T21:04:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> it for sure isn't named the same
2021-03-20T21:04:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, across different systems
2021-03-20T21:04:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> sometimes it's ncat
2021-03-20T21:04:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I've only seen it as nc
2021-03-20T21:04:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> netcat, nc, and ncat
2021-03-20T21:04:27 #kisslinux <acheam> but i'm a posix virgin
2021-03-20T21:04:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i guess you can use a check but...
2021-03-20T21:04:43 #kisslinux <ilyht> there's bsd netcat and regular netcat but I've always seem them used as nc
2021-03-20T21:05:11 #kisslinux <ilyht> but you can even use ssl with it
2021-03-20T21:05:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wow gee I can use ssl
2021-03-20T21:05:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> great
2021-03-20T21:05:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> now to rewrite my scripts with a bunch of extra shit so I can force a square peg into a round hole
2021-03-20T21:05:53 #kisslinux <ilyht> making it a viable alternative to curl if you want to spend enough time on it parsing shit removing headers and dealing with chunked responses
2021-03-20T21:06:03 #kisslinux <ilyht> oh compression too
2021-03-20T21:06:05 #kisslinux <ilyht> yeah
2021-03-20T21:06:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Now I want to know how kisslinux irc sounds like
2021-03-20T21:06:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could do all of that or I could just like
2021-03-20T21:06:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> now
2021-03-20T21:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/now/not
2021-03-20T21:06:22 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> not
2021-03-20T21:07:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I kind of want to buy a saber
2021-03-20T21:07:28 #kisslinux <acheam> listen to the files
2021-03-20T21:07:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> this bayonet is a little heavy for me
2021-03-20T21:07:37 #kisslinux <acheam> doas cat /dev/nvme0n1 | aplay
2021-03-20T21:07:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the ergonomics are garbage
2021-03-20T21:07:47 #kisslinux <acheam> not a day goes by without hearing about the bayonet
2021-03-20T21:07:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck you I didn't mention it yesterday
2021-03-20T21:08:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> now quiet or I use it
2021-03-20T21:08:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-03-20T21:08:30 #kisslinux <acheam> <:)
2021-03-20T21:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> seriously, though
2021-03-20T21:09:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's solid cast steel, all the way through
2021-03-20T21:09:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the handle and guard are clearly not intended for hand to hand combat
2021-03-20T21:09:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, it gets a pass because it's a bayonet
2021-03-20T21:09:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not something I'm used to
2021-03-20T21:10:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> weighted a lot more for chopping than cutting
2021-03-20T21:10:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> huh I can use my irc output and aplay that for notifications
2021-03-20T21:10:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> genius
2021-03-20T21:11:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> the real genius would realize he can pipe that into a text to speech program
2021-03-20T21:11:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah that's bloat
2021-03-20T21:11:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you trim all the fat from the meat, you won't end up with a very tasty meal
2021-03-20T21:12:00 #kisslinux <ilyht> this irc seems heavily influenced by reddit I swear it's starting to be painful to read
2021-03-20T21:12:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> du -a / | aplay
2021-03-20T21:12:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's cursed as hell
2021-03-20T21:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i understand you're used to browsing r/s4s, ilyht, but this is a different culture
2021-03-20T21:13:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Who the hell even uses reddit ^
2021-03-20T21:13:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> normies
2021-03-20T21:13:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but normies who think they're cool
2021-03-20T21:13:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I never had reddit account
2021-03-20T21:13:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka the worst kind of normie
2021-03-20T21:13:19 #kisslinux <ilyht> I'm not used to browsing any reddit forums reddit is so cringe
2021-03-20T21:13:28 #kisslinux * midfavila eyerolls
2021-03-20T21:13:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Then what's the point of telling this irc is the same as reddit
2021-03-20T21:13:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you don't know much about it
2021-03-20T21:14:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ohhh I'll listen to manpages
2021-03-20T21:14:36 #kisslinux <ilyht> I'm saying it feels as cringeworthy as reddit with all the people doing weird reddit meme references that are unfunny
2021-03-20T21:14:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What's the longest manpage tho
2021-03-20T21:15:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not about being funny, it's about making you feel unwelcome because you're being annoying.
2021-03-20T21:15:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm glad to see it's working
2021-03-20T21:15:41 #kisslinux <ilyht> I have to say you're amazingly good at it
2021-03-20T21:15:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, I've been told
2021-03-20T21:16:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Then again. How can I do reddit meme references if I'm not redditor
2021-03-20T21:16:18 #kisslinux <acheam> nxghtmvrx: man bash is 5800 lines if you have it
2021-03-20T21:16:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> read the fvwm manual
2021-03-20T21:16:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's over 8000
2021-03-20T21:17:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> over 14000 actually
2021-03-20T21:17:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Not read but listen with aplay :o
2021-03-20T21:17:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> just checked
2021-03-20T21:17:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> 14096
2021-03-20T21:17:21 #kisslinux <acheam> omg
2021-03-20T21:17:25 #kisslinux <acheam> man ffmpeg-all
2021-03-20T21:17:27 #kisslinux <acheam> 37031 lines
2021-03-20T21:17:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> jenkies
2021-03-20T21:17:52 #kisslinux <acheam> man gcc is also pretty long
2021-03-20T21:17:56 #kisslinux <acheam> 22395 LINES
2021-03-20T21:18:12 #kisslinux <acheam> whoops
2021-03-20T21:18:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I don't have gcc lmao
2021-03-20T21:18:14 #kisslinux <acheam> caps lock
2021-03-20T21:18:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was about to say, chillax
2021-03-20T21:19:09 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm not in my kiss machine right now ;(
2021-03-20T21:19:13 #kisslinux <acheam> forgive me
2021-03-20T21:19:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> Traitor
2021-03-20T21:20:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I hope that this chroot shall suffice for now
2021-03-20T21:20:07 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/Q5qml5t.png
2021-03-20T21:20:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> We don't accept half-measures in this channel
2021-03-20T21:20:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Woah 22 packages
2021-03-20T21:21:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'll do 0 next time
2021-03-20T21:21:13 #kisslinux <dgre> fake
2021-03-20T21:21:21 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: nooo you changed your GH profile
2021-03-20T21:21:42 #kisslinux <acheam> how will I know what OS tux does not approve of anymore?
2021-03-20T21:22:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ffmpeg-all sounds scary
2021-03-20T21:22:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> spoopy
2021-03-20T21:25:10 #kisslinux <ilyht> gcc or clang which one do you guys prefer and why
2021-03-20T21:25:33 #kisslinux <acheam> tcc as far as I can take it, then gcc
2021-03-20T21:25:59 #kisslinux <acheam> tcc is just simple
2021-03-20T21:26:09 #kisslinux <acheam> but it creates slower, fatter binaries
2021-03-20T21:26:15 #kisslinux <acheam> so its more a matter of principle
2021-03-20T21:26:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, yeah
2021-03-20T21:26:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a non-optimizing compiler
2021-03-20T21:27:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> why compile when you can #!/bin/tcc -run
2021-03-20T21:28:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I use that for small scripts
2021-03-20T21:28:07 #kisslinux <acheam> very handy
2021-03-20T21:28:18 #kisslinux <acheam> although my linter always shouts at me for having a shebang in a c file
2021-03-20T21:28:22 #kisslinux <acheam> little does it know
2021-03-20T21:28:25 #kisslinux <ilyht> why use #!/bin/tcc -run when you can make a good, beautiful script in #!/bin/fish
2021-03-20T21:28:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I did that for kilo text editor
2021-03-20T21:29:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Non-posix shell = /bin/null
2021-03-20T21:29:54 #kisslinux <ilyht> it's posix in my heart
2021-03-20T21:30:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well I have no heart
2021-03-20T21:36:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Now having a program which source sounds bad is cringe
2021-03-20T21:36:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Who cares about loc
2021-03-20T21:37:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'll choose only the best-sounding software
2021-03-20T21:39:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Though I can't do much if my hardware sounds bad
2021-03-20T21:46:23 #kisslinux <ilyht> libcock here we go
2021-03-20T23:48:37 #kisslinux <zola> I am trying to boot KISS, but i can't get the kernel to work
2021-03-20T23:49:10 #kisslinux <zola> It panics at the start
2021-03-20T23:49:30 #kisslinux <zola> Right after GRUB prints out "Booting linux...."
2021-03-20T23:50:04 #kisslinux <zola> Does anyone know of a good way to debug this?
2021-03-20T23:50:26 #kisslinux <zola> I can't seem to find a way to get any output
2021-03-20T23:53:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you using an amd gpu?
2021-03-20T23:56:35 #kisslinux <zola> Yes
2021-03-20T23:56:46 #kisslinux <zola> Amd Radeon R7 240
2021-03-20T23:56:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> sounds like a firmware issue then.
2021-03-20T23:56:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've run into similar issues
2021-03-20T23:57:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should still have keyboard input, so try logging in
2021-03-20T23:57:09 #kisslinux <zola> But i turned off drm and all related drivers, just in case
2021-03-20T23:57:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, never mind then.
2021-03-20T23:57:22 #kisslinux <zola> Let me try
2021-03-20T23:57:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's your problem.
2021-03-20T23:57:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> You should probably compile the DRM and AMDGPU drivers if you intend to have a functioning graphical system.
2021-03-20T23:57:54 #kisslinux <zola> I know
2021-03-20T23:58:08 #kisslinux <zola> But my goal for know is to at least get console
2021-03-20T23:58:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair enough.
2021-03-20T23:58:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> In that case, you would only need AMDGPU.
2021-03-20T23:58:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> Are you familiar with basic shell commands?
2021-03-20T23:58:31 #kisslinux <zola> Right now it is kernel panics the moment frub tries to boot
2021-03-20T23:58:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> Are you sure it does?
2021-03-20T23:58:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Or is it just a frozen or blank screen?
2021-03-20T23:59:00 #kisslinux <zola> Caps lock and scroll lock are blinking
2021-03-20T23:59:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ah, yeah, that's a panic then.
2021-03-20T23:59:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hrm. What does the panic log say?
2021-03-20T23:59:21 #kisslinux <zola> no logs
2021-03-20T23:59:23 #kisslinux <zola> Nothing
2021-03-20T23:59:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> Strange... did you make sure to put your root filesystem in the fstab?
2021-03-20T23:59:52 #kisslinux <zola> Yes
2021-03-20T23:59:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> (I'm assuming this is a clean install, correct me if I'm wrong"