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2021-03-15T00:13:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> anyone know how challenging an nvidia 660 is to get working? I want to buy my new computer this week, and since every graphics card in existence is sold out I've turned to bottom-of-the-barrel GPUs on craigslist lmao
2021-03-15T00:18:56 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre: because they know what they do is bullshit
2021-03-15T00:19:59 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: shouldn't be too bad, I think the drivers for those older cards are fairly stable and mature
2021-03-15T00:20:25 #kisslinux <acheam> definitely not a great time to be building a PC lol
2021-03-15T00:20:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> no :(
2021-03-15T00:21:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I want a 3900x lmao gimme gimme
2021-03-15T00:21:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> let me retire this macbook plox
2021-03-15T00:21:51 #kisslinux <acheam> wont you still need a mobile system, for when the world is back to normal?
2021-03-15T00:22:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just mean so I have a better daily driver
2021-03-15T00:22:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> I never really used a laptop *as* a laptop tho
2021-03-15T00:23:20 #kisslinux <acheam> do you have a work computer?
2021-03-15T00:24:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah work gave me a simple dell latitude or something to do work on
2021-03-15T00:24:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> only because they retired our virtual desktop stuff so we could no longer vnc into our systems at the office :(
2021-03-15T00:52:23 #kisslinux <acheam> ah okay
2021-03-15T00:58:22 #kisslinux <dgre> > dgre: because they know what they do is bullshit
2021-03-15T00:58:22 #kisslinux <dgre> yeah thats my point
2021-03-15T02:46:50 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/illiliti/eiwd << rebased, up-to-date version of eiwd
2021-03-15T02:50:47 #kisslinux <acheam> woot, thanks illiliti
2021-03-15T02:51:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-03-15T02:51:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> should I change the eiwd source then
2021-03-15T02:51:12 #kisslinux <acheam> any progress on king, I haven't seen any recent commits?
2021-03-15T02:51:24 #kisslinux <illiliti> i'm working hard on it
2021-03-15T02:52:54 #kisslinux <acheam> that's great!
2021-03-15T03:29:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-15T03:31:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallow
2021-03-15T03:31:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/hallow/hallo/
2021-03-15T03:31:23 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> hallo
2021-03-15T03:31:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hai
2021-03-15T03:31:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hallowed channel?
2021-03-15T03:31:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> pleased by thy chanserv
2021-03-15T03:45:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> king, the new package manager written in... *drumroll* .... go.
2021-03-15T03:46:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, at least not rust :)
2021-03-15T03:49:07 #kisslinux <jslick> in fish
2021-03-15T03:54:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> in Zig!
2021-03-15T03:54:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no, wait, in drewlang!!
2021-03-15T03:57:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> brainfuck?
2021-03-15T03:58:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> whats wrong with go, fat binary ?
2021-03-15T04:00:25 #kisslinux <jslick> what is drewlang?
2021-03-15T04:04:13 #kisslinux <illiliti> testuser_[m]: yes. plus, to contribute to Go you need Google account to sign CLA which is very annoying
2021-03-15T04:04:22 #kisslinux <illiliti> everything else is ok to me
2021-03-15T04:28:45 #kisslinux <dgre> jslick: Golang
2021-03-15T04:49:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's 2021, and you need a proxifier to *compile* stuff https://github.com/rofl0r/proxychains-ng/issues/371
2021-03-15T04:49:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thanks go and rust
2021-03-15T04:51:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'd kinda like to see the whole internet go down and those guys would be unable to get their code to work anymore, while i sit there with my tarballs and C compiler, laughing
2021-03-15T05:56:19 #kisslinux <varbhat> <illiliti "https://github.com/illiliti/eiwd"> can you implement some IPC other than dbus probably json or messagepack based one ?
2021-03-15T05:56:53 #kisslinux <varbhat> <varbhat "can you implement some IPC other"> i want iwctl to work,lol. i want to be able to scan wifi and stuff which otherwise wouldn't be possible without IPC
2021-03-15T05:57:00 #kisslinux <varbhat> also, please upstream the work
2021-03-15T05:57:10 #kisslinux <varbhat> dbus sucks
2021-03-15T06:12:23 #kisslinux <claudia_> o/
2021-03-15T06:13:04 #kisslinux <claudia_> dilyn: re new maschine: dont you risk wayland compatability with an nvdia card?
2021-03-15T06:14:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> isnt that gpu gonna be temporary onlu
2021-03-15T06:14:18 #kisslinux <claudia_> What are your reasons against an integrated one? The good money/speed value of the "athlon"? :D
2021-03-15T06:14:41 #kisslinux <claudia_> y I guess so.
2021-03-15T06:15:22 #kisslinux <claudia_> I am not so up to date about recent hardware, only heard the these amd chips should be cheaper and fast then intel ones.
2021-03-15T06:15:31 #kisslinux <illiliti> varbhat: it will take a lot of work. not sure if i handle it
2021-03-15T06:16:22 #kisslinux <claudia_> I am a boomer. amd still makes athlons :v
2021-03-15T08:30:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hey guys. made my own repo, and I wanted to package xbindkeys. which tbh should be fairly straight forward. but I cant seeem to get my buildscript to work as its supposed to. I dont know much shell scripting at all, so this is sortof out of my expertise, So im just trying to hack it together, and guess myself to make it work sortof. ill link the buildfile
2021-03-15T08:32:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> https://github.com/hovercats/kiss-dumpsterfire/blob/main/xbindkeys/build
2021-03-15T08:34:36 #kisslinux <sad_plan> any suggestions? i tried having PREFIX=/usr after make, aswell as before install below that, but no dice :p
2021-03-15T08:37:24 #kisslinux <travankor> what is the error output?
2021-03-15T08:37:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> no rule to make target
2021-03-15T08:38:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> DESTDIR="$1"
2021-03-15T08:38:25 #kisslinux <travankor> DESTDIR$1 looks wrong and that's
2021-03-15T08:38:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you forgot =
2021-03-15T08:40:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice. it worked :D thanks a bunch!
2021-03-15T12:36:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> claudia_: it doesn't ultimately matter because the guy already sold it :'(
2021-03-15T12:37:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> the zen2 and zen3 chips from AMD are either equal in performance with or strictly superior (by large numbers) than 'equivalent' intel chips, which is why they were so exciting 2019-now, but there's massive chip shortages everywhere
2021-03-15T12:38:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> so prices have stayed the same or gotten worse, and GPUs are sold out everywhere (I see rx480s going for $900 which is unacceptable for what should be a $200 card) because of fucking crypto morons
2021-03-15T12:38:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't want an APU because I want a 3900x :P
2021-03-15T12:50:23 #kisslinux <travankor> the prices were fairly low in 2019
2021-03-15T12:58:17 #kisslinux <soliwilos> dilyn: It seems the pkg version compare code in kiss on lines 1388 to 1391 fails on my system.
2021-03-15T13:00:47 #kisslinux <soliwilos> There are multiple packages that I know needs to be updated, but "kiss u" exits 1 right after printing "Checking for new.." and if I put in some echo statement after that code, the echo stuff is never printed.
2021-03-15T13:27:43 #kisslinux <travankor> https://github.com/uutils/coreutils
2021-03-15T13:27:55 #kisslinux <travankor> smh at all the hipsters using this
2021-03-15T13:28:08 #kisslinux <travankor> 🤮🤮🤮
2021-03-15T13:30:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> soliwilos: what user are you running `kiss u` as?
2021-03-15T13:30:20 #kisslinux <soliwilos> root
2021-03-15T13:30:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> I previously had that problem as my normal user, then it went away. I ran it last night as root, I have your issue, but my user is fine
2021-03-15T13:31:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> travankor: >=| https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/tree/master/core/uutils
2021-03-15T13:31:34 #kisslinux <aarng> soliwilos: you could start investigating by echo'ing some separator lines around that block, then start kiss with `sh -x /usr/bin/kiss`
2021-03-15T13:34:56 #kisslinux <aarng> or add `printf '%s | %s - %sn' "$pkg" "$db_ver" "$re_ver"` after those 2 read calls
2021-03-15T13:40:22 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Adding the suggested "printf" line after the two read calls gives me a list of packages, and two identical version numbers for each one.
2021-03-15T13:41:10 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Such as "firefox | 86.0 - 86.0", but the new version is 86.0.1..
2021-03-15T13:44:05 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Firefox being a bad example in this case, since I have forked it to my personal repo and it's actually 86.0 still there.
2021-03-15T13:45:27 #kisslinux <aarng> the problem has to be in your repos then
2021-03-15T13:46:52 #kisslinux <aarng> which specific package shows the same version with the added printf but definitely has an update?
2021-03-15T13:51:46 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Hm, not sure if anything in that list has an actual update, I can try and look through them all. However, intel-media-driver, which is installed with an older version than is in the community repo, isn't in that list at all.
2021-03-15T13:53:58 #kisslinux <aarng> what's the content of your $KISS_PATH ?
2021-03-15T13:54:19 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm looking at it right now, and the community repo is in there.
2021-03-15T13:54:28 #kisslinux <aarng> and is that package also in another repo which is listed before community?
2021-03-15T13:54:57 #kisslinux <soliwilos> No.
2021-03-15T13:57:09 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If I start a "kiss b intel-media-driver" it starts downloading the new version.
2021-03-15T13:58:13 #kisslinux <travankor> dilyn: lmao that's tragicomic
2021-03-15T13:58:52 #kisslinux <aarng> soliwilos: do you run both commands as root?
2021-03-15T13:59:45 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Yes, only root.
2021-03-15T14:01:31 #kisslinux <aarng> sudo, doas?
2021-03-15T14:01:38 #kisslinux <aarng> and where is KISS_PATH set
2021-03-15T14:01:46 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Weirdly, after changing firefox in my personal repo to 86.0.1, the list I get from "kiss u" now contains the new firefox version.
2021-03-15T14:02:53 #kisslinux <soliwilos> For the root user I set KISS_SU as "su".
2021-03-15T14:03:51 #kisslinux <aarng> yes, it uses that to elevate priviliges for installing packages
2021-03-15T14:04:11 #kisslinux <aarng> that does not mean you run kiss as root
2021-03-15T14:04:49 #kisslinux <soliwilos> No, but I do run it as root. I just mentioned what it was set as for the root user, since I had problems in the past when KISS_SU was unset.
2021-03-15T14:05:08 #kisslinux <aarng> ok so how do you run it as root then? :)
2021-03-15T14:05:26 #kisslinux <aarng> do you su to the root user or use something like sudo/doas/whatever
2021-03-15T14:05:43 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I use "su -" to login as root.
2021-03-15T14:05:51 #kisslinux <aarng> ok
2021-03-15T14:07:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <soliwilos "Weirdly, after changing firefox "> because your repo is before others in kiss path
2021-03-15T14:07:13 #kisslinux <aarng> you really don't have to do that (and shouldn't), you can run kiss as your normal user
2021-03-15T14:07:19 #kisslinux <aarng> but that's besides the point
2021-03-15T14:07:53 #kisslinux <soliwilos> testuser_[m]: Yes, but there are other packages later in the path which does not get listed even with updates available.
2021-03-15T14:08:00 #kisslinux <aarng> how do you set $KISS_PATH ?
2021-03-15T14:08:41 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It's set by execline (I'm using s6) when the root user logs in.
2021-03-15T14:09:33 #kisslinux <aarng> and it looks good when you print it after you su'd to root?
2021-03-15T14:09:41 #kisslinux <aarng> sorry for dumb question but better to rule out everything
2021-03-15T14:10:41 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It looks identical to what I've defined it as.
2021-03-15T14:14:25 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I can paste it if you want to look at it, but seeing as "kiss b" chooses the correct updated package version, but kiss u does not, and they are run with the same KISS_PATH, I doubt the path itself is the problem.
2021-03-15T14:14:56 #kisslinux <aarng> nah, all good
2021-03-15T14:15:17 #kisslinux <aarng> we could put some more printf's into the pkg_find function
2021-03-15T14:16:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> all the printfs
2021-03-15T14:16:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> every single one of them
2021-03-15T14:16:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> put 'em in
2021-03-15T14:22:41 #kisslinux <aarng> yep, printf ftw
2021-03-15T14:34:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, re-heated tea sucks compared to fresh stuff
2021-03-15T14:35:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> made a bunch last night but didn't want to throw it out so I sealed it and kept it in the fridge overnight, figured I could just have some with breakfast
2021-03-15T14:45:39 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> taste of fridge
2021-03-15T14:46:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> taste of burnt
2021-03-15T14:48:13 #kisslinux <acheam> haha https://envs.sh/_P.txt
2021-03-15T14:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> Everything I Don't Like Is Literally A Cargo Cult!
2021-03-15T14:49:05 #kisslinux <acheam> cargo cult all the things!
2021-03-15T14:57:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> indeed
2021-03-15T14:59:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wtf is wrong with this dude
2021-03-15T15:01:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> devault?
2021-03-15T15:01:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> he's just really passionate, I think
2021-03-15T15:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> not a bad thing
2021-03-15T16:59:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hi guys
2021-03-15T17:00:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> why shell interpret C in wrong way?
2021-03-15T17:00:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I make a program and the printf is the last
2021-03-15T17:00:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> and scanf is the first
2021-03-15T17:01:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ?
2021-03-15T17:01:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i make a program in vim
2021-03-15T17:01:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> in C
2021-03-15T17:01:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> when i execute
2021-03-15T17:01:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> for example it is
2021-03-15T17:01:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> printf("put number")/
2021-03-15T17:02:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> scanf("%d", num);
2021-03-15T17:02:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> first shell give me the scanf
2021-03-15T17:02:31 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> and not the printf
2021-03-15T17:03:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so you mean it asks input first before printing
2021-03-15T17:03:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> yep
2021-03-15T17:03:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> the printing is after the input
2021-03-15T17:04:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> not in the same line
2021-03-15T17:05:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> is the sh of kiss? or something?
2021-03-15T17:05:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i tried in bash and it is okay
2021-03-15T17:05:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> sh is busybox ash by default
2021-03-15T17:07:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> use read()
2021-03-15T17:08:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> that might work if it's shell
2021-03-15T17:10:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe/ who needs an APU if you can just ssh into your wayland box...
2021-03-15T17:12:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> what is cringe are if i put n in the printf
2021-03-15T17:12:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> It works
2021-03-15T17:12:55 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> but if not put it not works
2021-03-15T17:13:03 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> not appears in the same line
2021-03-15T17:17:15 #kisslinux <claudia_> dilyn: This sounds nice. But dont you need a graphics card, wich does..the graphics part? hm
2021-03-15T17:21:36 #kisslinux <claudia_> btw I would just go for vodoo3. Only respectable hardware for graphics.
2021-03-15T17:22:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck you matrox is based
2021-03-15T17:22:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can never take my pilot g200 away
2021-03-15T17:22:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-03-15T17:22:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> is not the sh
2021-03-15T17:22:55 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i changed for bash
2021-03-15T17:22:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> same problem
2021-03-15T17:23:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> Maybe I'm dumb but I thought the whole selling point of headless systems was that you didn't need graphics processing on that side if you had it on yours?
2021-03-15T17:23:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, maybe in a specialized setup?
2021-03-15T17:23:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> like isn't it just a socket that forwards to your own stuff?
2021-03-15T17:23:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah but the socket forwards pre-processed data afaik
2021-03-15T17:23:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least with X
2021-03-15T17:24:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmm
2021-03-15T17:24:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> EITHER WAY
2021-03-15T17:29:53 #kisslinux <claudia_> I am dumb either but imaging running graphical demanding stuff like a game in the host without gpu, makes it running in software mode or not running at all? where the line here?
2021-03-15T17:30:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean if you have no GPU then you can't have graphics period
2021-03-15T17:30:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> at most text
2021-03-15T17:30:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if you mean an iGPU then it would depend on the supported APIs I guess
2021-03-15T17:30:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> same as any regular hardware
2021-03-15T17:30:53 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-15T17:30:58 #kisslinux <claudia_> I mean great games come from a time when software rendering was a thing.
2021-03-15T17:31:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Maybe. I don't know a ton when it comes to graphics
2021-03-15T17:37:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk lads I'm not in charge here
2021-03-15T17:37:26 #kisslinux <jslick> hellboy2d: I think you need to flush the output first - it's stuck in a buffer. `fflush(stdout);`
2021-03-15T17:37:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> either way I can just close my eyes and imagine
2021-03-15T17:39:07 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah man but i can't use the flush in my program
2021-03-15T17:39:22 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is a basic lesson for college
2021-03-15T17:39:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> a lot of ifs and printf
2021-03-15T17:39:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I forget it
2021-03-15T17:40:02 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Just use this way
2021-03-15T17:41:17 #kisslinux <jslick> uh, you can't flush stdout for your assignment?
2021-03-15T17:42:08 #kisslinux <claudia_> next step is to cancel internet :x
2021-03-15T17:43:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-15T17:44:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> claudia_ how's bsd going
2021-03-15T17:46:04 #kisslinux <claudia_> testuser_[m]: going.
2021-03-15T17:46:19 #kisslinux <claudia_> I gotten netsurf to work :D
2021-03-15T17:46:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-15T17:46:38 #kisslinux <claudia_> which now it is somekind useable to stay at it.
2021-03-15T17:47:28 #kisslinux <claudia_> I might switch to another faster machine to get webkit going. I do this more bruteforce til it works.
2021-03-15T23:03:49 #kisslinux <acheam> new song of the day!